| Charlie Kirk shot. on 19:08 - Sep 18 with 4251 views | trampie |
Right wing Yanks turning on right wing Yanks, America is a mess.
Time for Wales to get a centre left party like Plaid in charge and not right wing Labour/Tories/Reform party. |  |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 22:23 - Sep 18 with 4115 views | johnlangy |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 19:08 - Sep 18 by trampie |
Right wing Yanks turning on right wing Yanks, America is a mess.
Time for Wales to get a centre left party like Plaid in charge and not right wing Labour/Tories/Reform party. |
I find it utterly amazing that people like Elon Musk can criticise the UK for not allowing for free speech when this is happening in his own country. State repression.
But of course with people like him free speech is only allowed if the person speaking is saying something he agrees with. |  | | |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 22:23 - Sep 18 with 4115 views | DJack |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 18:25 - Sep 18 by Gwyn737 |
Biggest cause of death for children in the US is firearms.
Culturally I dint think a gun ban in the US is practical but there’s seems to be some simple things that could be done to minimise risk.
Second amendment proponents seem very keen on the ‘shall not be infringed’ bit but not so pushed on the ‘well regulated’ part. |
Even worse the 2nd Amendment was introduced to as an option to deal with slaves after a rebellion or something. |  |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 10:22 - Sep 19 with 3889 views | pete |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 21:09 - Sep 17 by AnotherJohn |
I fully agree that America's obsession with firearms is a problem. However, many responsible members of rifle range clubs in the UK will think we have gone a bit too far. No short firearms (except back powder pistols) are allowed now, and many enthusiasts who presented no threat to the public had to surrender their prized pistols when the law changed some years ago. These people had been vetted in order to get a FAC. As I said earlier in the thread, the Mauser bolt-action rifle (with a 5-shot magazine) said to have fired the fatal shot in Utah can be legally owned in the UK. Many game keepers will have similar weapons, and a quick Google search showed several rifles of this type advertised for sale here from about £500 up. So this case is a bit different from cases where a killer enters a school with a semi-automatic AR15 clone and large magazine. |
I own 2 fire arms here in uk,and have both F A C and shot gun licence, and these are very well controlled and locked away unless needed on the farm,the police checks before during and after are rigourus and unless they are kept in strong locked cabinets and a seperate safe for the shells bullets and the bolt action the guns are confiscated and no more licence which in my opinion is right, as others have said different coulcher , if it was not nessary I would not have these weapons and in all honesty i dont really want them but when we have some dog owners who let the dogs chase the sheep and kill some or injure them so bad they have to be put down action has to be taken, , but i must say these are few and far between now and i am considering giving the both guns up
U S A is a different matter , when in newyork 2 yrs ago i wondered how many people we were with on the subway in the streets had conceled weapons and went to south carolina where there was plenty of evidence of them all over, luckely did not see any incidents but had the uneasy feeling it could happen any time any place ,as it does unfortunatly, thats why my wife and i have decided not to set foot there even in transit again until things change | | | |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:15 - Sep 19 with 3839 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 22:23 - Sep 18 by DJack |
Even worse the 2nd Amendment was introduced to as an option to deal with slaves after a rebellion or something. |
That’s certainly what the weapons ended up being used for but it wasn’t why the amendment was brought in. It was more to do with defending against the British, a future potential tyrannical government and the raids of native Americans. |  |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:13 - Sep 19 with 3768 views | Boundy |
I've watched quite a few of Mr Kirks meetings with various colleges and presentations and I have to say his problem was not hate speech but it seems to me he offered an opposing view on many aspects of life which many couldn't accept. | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:15 - Sep 19 with 3757 views | onehunglow |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 22:23 - Sep 18 by johnlangy |
I find it utterly amazing that people like Elon Musk can criticise the UK for not allowing for free speech when this is happening in his own country. State repression.
But of course with people like him free speech is only allowed if the person speaking is saying something he agrees with. |
Yet, on our country, those with what are rather prosaic views are deemed “ right wing” | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 03:17 - Sep 21 with 3084 views | DJack |
Early days but...
'No evidence' found yet of ties between Charlie Kirk's shooting and left-wing groups, officials say
Three people familiar with the federal probe into Kirk’s assassination told NBC News that investigators have yet to find a link between the alleged shooter and left-wing groups.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/no-evidence-charlie-kirk-sho | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 13:26 - Sep 21 with 2852 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:13 - Sep 19 by Boundy |
I've watched quite a few of Mr Kirks meetings with various colleges and presentations and I have to say his problem was not hate speech but it seems to me he offered an opposing view on many aspects of life which many couldn't accept. |
He denounced MLK jr, he said abortion was worse than the Holocaust and he supports the second amendment.
Some Kirk quotes,
Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023
Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You’re not in charge.
– Discussing news of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce’s engagement on The Charlie Kirk Show, 26 August 2025
I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.
– Event organized by TPUSA Faith, the religious arm of Kirk’s conservative group Turning Point USA, on 5 April 2023
There is no separation of church and state. It’s a fabrication, it’s a fiction, it’s not in the constitution. It’s made up by secular humanists.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 6 July 2022
Kirk was a supporter of Trump and MAGA, as such I would be mostly opposed to him. | | | |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 13:56 - Sep 21 with 2820 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 13:26 - Sep 21 by SullutaCreturned |
He denounced MLK jr, he said abortion was worse than the Holocaust and he supports the second amendment.
Some Kirk quotes,
Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023
Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You’re not in charge.
– Discussing news of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce’s engagement on The Charlie Kirk Show, 26 August 2025
I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.
– Event organized by TPUSA Faith, the religious arm of Kirk’s conservative group Turning Point USA, on 5 April 2023
There is no separation of church and state. It’s a fabrication, it’s a fiction, it’s not in the constitution. It’s made up by secular humanists.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 6 July 2022
Kirk was a supporter of Trump and MAGA, as such I would be mostly opposed to him. |
None of which even remotely qualifies as hate speech.
Controversial? Yes. Going against the grain? Yes.
But tell him he’s wrong and why.
Don’t put a bullet through his neck. | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 14:00 - Sep 21 with 2796 views | trampie |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 13:56 - Sep 21 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
None of which even remotely qualifies as hate speech.
Controversial? Yes. Going against the grain? Yes.
But tell him he’s wrong and why.
Don’t put a bullet through his neck. |
MAGA on MAGA crime seems to be a thing judging by this assassination and the Trump attempted assassination. | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 18:23 - Sep 21 with 2656 views | Boundy |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 13:56 - Sep 21 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
None of which even remotely qualifies as hate speech.
Controversial? Yes. Going against the grain? Yes.
But tell him he’s wrong and why.
Don’t put a bullet through his neck. |
Depends how sensitive you are I suppose,when you get police officers knocking your door telling you to apologise to someone who was upset at a comment you made on Facebook then I suppose the bar is extremely low. | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 14:54 - Sep 22 with 2343 views | Flashberryjack |
Listened to Charlie's wife speak yesterday, she said "after his death there were no violent protests"
Makes you wonder. |  |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 14:58 - Sep 22 with 2339 views | Dr_Winston |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 14:54 - Sep 22 by Flashberryjack |
Listened to Charlie's wife speak yesterday, she said "after his death there were no violent protests"
Makes you wonder. |
The January 6th riot was disgraceful but a mere fraction of the unrest that followed the death of George Floyd, or indeed basically any leftist protests. |  |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 16:29 - Sep 22 with 2249 views | Boundy |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 14:58 - Sep 22 by Dr_Winston |
The January 6th riot was disgraceful but a mere fraction of the unrest that followed the death of George Floyd, or indeed basically any leftist protests. |
Still waiting for our coppers to take the knee on behalf of Mr Kirk ,in fact anyone . | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 18:16 - Sep 22 with 2186 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 13:56 - Sep 21 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
None of which even remotely qualifies as hate speech.
Controversial? Yes. Going against the grain? Yes.
But tell him he’s wrong and why.
Don’t put a bullet through his neck. |
And I have never celebrated his death nor tried to justify it, it was shocking and you can say it's not hate speech but surely when he said if his 10 year old daughter was raped and impregnated he'd make her have the baby, surely you thought hang on a minute? | | | |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 19:42 - Sep 24 with 1490 views | trampie |
Just seen a clip of De Niro on the Kimmel show, funny guy fairplay. | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 20:05 - Sep 24 with 1452 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 18:16 - Sep 22 by SullutaCreturned |
And I have never celebrated his death nor tried to justify it, it was shocking and you can say it's not hate speech but surely when he said if his 10 year old daughter was raped and impregnated he'd make her have the baby, surely you thought hang on a minute? |
Yeah abhorrent really, but he was asked a hypothetical question on an unlikely scenario and gave his opinion. He was a complete fruitloop when it came to religious zealotry no doubt about that, and they do have this bizarre belief that life begins at conception. But I don’t think it was hate speech in that instance. Though to play devils advocate it would be equally bad in a lot of eyes if he’d said he’d force his daughter to get an abortion too. | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 08:23 - Sep 25 with 1241 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 20:05 - Sep 24 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Yeah abhorrent really, but he was asked a hypothetical question on an unlikely scenario and gave his opinion. He was a complete fruitloop when it came to religious zealotry no doubt about that, and they do have this bizarre belief that life begins at conception. But I don’t think it was hate speech in that instance. Though to play devils advocate it would be equally bad in a lot of eyes if he’d said he’d force his daughter to get an abortion too. |
Getting rid of religious zealotry would be a good start. |  |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 15:23 - Sep 25 with 1112 views | DJack |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 08:23 - Sep 25 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Getting rid of religious zealotry would be a good start. |
Sidelining all types of zealots would be a good thing. | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 17:15 - Sep 25 with 1060 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 20:05 - Sep 24 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Yeah abhorrent really, but he was asked a hypothetical question on an unlikely scenario and gave his opinion. He was a complete fruitloop when it came to religious zealotry no doubt about that, and they do have this bizarre belief that life begins at conception. But I don’t think it was hate speech in that instance. Though to play devils advocate it would be equally bad in a lot of eyes if he’d said he’d force his daughter to get an abortion too. |
Well I think it's hate speech to say a woman who gets an abortion is worse than the Nazi's.
Religion is a cloud over all of us, in my opinion. | | | |
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