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Probably too early to be sure, but the killing is starting to look like the work of a disturbed young man, who deprived a young family of their father and screwed up his own life for absolutely no gain. The messages on the cartridges seem weird and not as clearly related to trans issues as first reports suggested.
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Charlie Kirk shot. on 17:30 - Sep 12 with 4295 views
Charlie Kirk shot. on 15:43 - Sep 12 by Whiterockin
They support the 2nd ammendment when children are killed, so I have no problem understanding when a politician is killed. It's just a crazy situation that defies logic.
yes. all those school shootings and still they defend it.
On a seperate note, I was surprised to find out my son knows quite a bit about the victim and his views. We haven't talked a lot about it so all I really know is my son disagrees with his views on abortion but worryingly, my son seems to be agreeing with what Trump is doing. I always have encouraged him to think for himself and have his own opinions but honestly, he's turning into a bit of a twot. I can see us properly falling out if his political views carry on down that road because I have since read up on Kirk and I find it worrying that my son would agree with some of Kirk's views.
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Charlie Kirk shot. on 20:48 - Sep 12 with 4141 views
yes. all those school shootings and still they defend it.
On a seperate note, I was surprised to find out my son knows quite a bit about the victim and his views. We haven't talked a lot about it so all I really know is my son disagrees with his views on abortion but worryingly, my son seems to be agreeing with what Trump is doing. I always have encouraged him to think for himself and have his own opinions but honestly, he's turning into a bit of a twot. I can see us properly falling out if his political views carry on down that road because I have since read up on Kirk and I find it worrying that my son would agree with some of Kirk's views.
The right have really stolen a march on social media.
It’s really naive of the left to think that Reform etc. supporters are all ‘old gammons’.
The right have really stolen a march on social media.
It’s really naive of the left to think that Reform etc. supporters are all ‘old gammons’.
They’re dominant on X, Tik Tok and the like.
It’s not just social media. They own the bulk of the press, quite a few TV stations and they control platforms like Twitter - being in control is exactly why Musk paid all that cash for Twitter.
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Charlie Kirk shot. on 21:17 - Sep 12 with 4113 views
yes. all those school shootings and still they defend it.
On a seperate note, I was surprised to find out my son knows quite a bit about the victim and his views. We haven't talked a lot about it so all I really know is my son disagrees with his views on abortion but worryingly, my son seems to be agreeing with what Trump is doing. I always have encouraged him to think for himself and have his own opinions but honestly, he's turning into a bit of a twot. I can see us properly falling out if his political views carry on down that road because I have since read up on Kirk and I find it worrying that my son would agree with some of Kirk's views.
Maybe he's smarter than you give him credit for ?
Maybe he sees the way things are going and doesn't buy into it..?
Maybe he's already felt the whiplash of positive discrimination?
Maybe he's worked out that he's being made to eat his own faeces, today, tomorrow and forever onwards in his country of birth while being denied opportunities at the expense of lesser minded individuals, like that "Temu Capt Jack Sparrow" belllend at the Oxford Union that got in with shit grades and thinks it's okay to mock Charlie Kirk's murder?
Yes, it's disappointing when our children don't follow our dogma and advice...
Sometimes though they hold a mirror up to ourselves and perhaps we don't like the reflection...
Yours Sincerely
A N Othertwot
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“Cunnilingus and Psychiatry brought us to this …”
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Charlie Kirk shot. on 21:22 - Sep 12 with 4095 views
Charlie Kirk shot. on 08:17 - Sep 11 by Dr_Winston
A shocking act. To do it in front of his wife and kids too. Hopefully the perpetrator/s will be swiftly caught and dealt with to the fullest extent of the law.
Political violence is rarely justified, but it has to be said that there is also a certain amount of hypocrisy coming from the right on the subject. Ask the families of Melissa Hortman or Gabrielle Giffords if this marks a departure from the usual political discourse.
Unfortunately America is a country with limitless supplies of both lunatics and firearms and events like this are unlikely to become rarer.
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a truely shocking event , but this is modernday america un fortunatly, where a policeman in uk is safer than a teacher in usa terrible , unless absoluty necessary i would not set foot in the place not even in transit at the moment and the leaders of the right advocating more violence a sad state of affairs and going to get worse
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Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:31 - Sep 13 with 3684 views
a truely shocking event , but this is modernday america un fortunatly, where a policeman in uk is safer than a teacher in usa terrible , unless absoluty necessary i would not set foot in the place not even in transit at the moment and the leaders of the right advocating more violence a sad state of affairs and going to get worse
I'm off to New York in February. Hope it's still there.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Charlie Kirk shot. on 21:44 - Sep 13 with 3389 views
Maybe he sees the way things are going and doesn't buy into it..?
Maybe he's already felt the whiplash of positive discrimination?
Maybe he's worked out that he's being made to eat his own faeces, today, tomorrow and forever onwards in his country of birth while being denied opportunities at the expense of lesser minded individuals, like that "Temu Capt Jack Sparrow" belllend at the Oxford Union that got in with shit grades and thinks it's okay to mock Charlie Kirk's murder?
Yes, it's disappointing when our children don't follow our dogma and advice...
Sometimes though they hold a mirror up to ourselves and perhaps we don't like the reflection...
Yours Sincerely
A N Othertwot
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Well no because like a few others (maybe?) he hasn't looked deeply enough into it, he has read the headlines and gone with it.
Kirk had views I personally find unpalatable. Have you read about ProPublica? What about his view on abortion or the Second amendment? How about what he said about the capitol riot?
He initially was against Trump but changed his tune and any supporter of Trump raises my cynicism levels.
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Charlie Kirk shot. on 21:57 - Sep 13 with 3361 views
Well no because like a few others (maybe?) he hasn't looked deeply enough into it, he has read the headlines and gone with it.
Kirk had views I personally find unpalatable. Have you read about ProPublica? What about his view on abortion or the Second amendment? How about what he said about the capitol riot?
He initially was against Trump but changed his tune and any supporter of Trump raises my cynicism levels.
I don't agree with his views on abortion or sexuality but he was the voice of libertarian conservatism...He appealed to those who saw no future in the globalist plan to emasculate their future opportunities...
The real fascists are behind that sniper rifle and celebrating his death...
Sick, psychotic individuals one of whom seems to be chair incumbent of the OUDS...
It's like me having a decent but robust convo with Jason Mohammed about the Swans/Cardiff thing, agreeing to disagree, and then cheering his violent death weeks later ...
It's just pure insanity...and the left will not admit to it own it ...
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“Cunnilingus and Psychiatry brought us to this …”
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Charlie Kirk shot. on 13:36 - Sep 14 with 2983 views
I don't agree with his views on abortion or sexuality but he was the voice of libertarian conservatism...He appealed to those who saw no future in the globalist plan to emasculate their future opportunities...
The real fascists are behind that sniper rifle and celebrating his death...
Sick, psychotic individuals one of whom seems to be chair incumbent of the OUDS...
It's like me having a decent but robust convo with Jason Mohammed about the Swans/Cardiff thing, agreeing to disagree, and then cheering his violent death weeks later ...
It's just pure insanity...and the left will not admit to it own it ...
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Oh the people behind the shooting are bad guys but that doesn't mean Kirk was a good guy.
That's not to say I'm celebrating him being shot either.
It's the way the world is today, there's just too many bad guys and too many people like Kirk and Trump....and Starmer.
It is a tragedy for his friends and family, that's where it ends for me.
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Charlie Kirk shot. on 13:56 - Sep 15 with 2614 views
Bob Vylan sends his thoughts and prayers. He clearly speaks for the millions of Leftists radicalized over the last decade to believe Trump is H1tler and his supporters are N@zi's.
I'm not even mad at fools like him or the countless others who've revealed the depths of their hate and bitterness over the past five days. My anger is 100% directed at their brainwashers.
I don't agree with his views on abortion or sexuality but he was the voice of libertarian conservatism...He appealed to those who saw no future in the globalist plan to emasculate their future opportunities...
The real fascists are behind that sniper rifle and celebrating his death...
Sick, psychotic individuals one of whom seems to be chair incumbent of the OUDS...
It's like me having a decent but robust convo with Jason Mohammed about the Swans/Cardiff thing, agreeing to disagree, and then cheering his violent death weeks later ...
It's just pure insanity...and the left will not admit to it own it ...
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Sexuality? Here's how Charlie felt about that. Excellent takedown of a fake MAGA bigot.
Bob Vylan sends his thoughts and prayers. He clearly speaks for the millions of Leftists radicalized over the last decade to believe Trump is H1tler and his supporters are N@zi's.
I'm not even mad at fools like him or the countless others who've revealed the depths of their hate and bitterness over the past five days. My anger is 100% directed at their brainwashers.
It's been satisfying to see the reaction of some of those celebrating his death when they find out they've lost their jobs ,we have them over here and the same has applied .
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Charlie Kirk shot. on 15:05 - Sep 15 with 2547 views
It certainly appears to be the case that he was a far more complicated individual than the type of "Racist, sexist, Homophobe" that he has been depicted as by those who celebrated his death.
I agree with very little that he had to say but I might have enjoyed debating with him about it.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Charlie Kirk shot. on 15:24 - Sep 15 with 2509 views
Oh the people behind the shooting are bad guys but that doesn't mean Kirk was a good guy.
That's not to say I'm celebrating him being shot either.
It's the way the world is today, there's just too many bad guys and too many people like Kirk and Trump....and Starmer.
It is a tragedy for his friends and family, that's where it ends for me.
What is a “good guy” though? He wasn’t a criminal, he didn’t harm anyone. Ok he was a bit of a religious nut job and lots of people didn’t agree with him on lots of things but standing up and saying “this is my opinion, let’s talk about it” doesn’t make him a “bad guy”. He seemed to have a loving family and lived in peace.
Starmer is actively hurting people, he’s a perennial liar. He has the power to change things for the better but is too wrapped up in his self importance and hubris to actually listen to people. And I don’t want him to get shot either.
What is a “good guy” though? He wasn’t a criminal, he didn’t harm anyone. Ok he was a bit of a religious nut job and lots of people didn’t agree with him on lots of things but standing up and saying “this is my opinion, let’s talk about it” doesn’t make him a “bad guy”. He seemed to have a loving family and lived in peace.
Starmer is actively hurting people, he’s a perennial liar. He has the power to change things for the better but is too wrapped up in his self importance and hubris to actually listen to people. And I don’t want him to get shot either.
I didn't call him a bad guy so it's moot.
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Charlie Kirk shot. on 18:23 - Sep 15 with 2366 views
Oh the people behind the shooting are bad guys but that doesn't mean Kirk was a good guy.
That's not to say I'm celebrating him being shot either.
It's the way the world is today, there's just too many bad guys and too many people like Kirk and Trump....and Starmer.
It is a tragedy for his friends and family, that's where it ends for me.
I see that you continue with your narrative of lumping conservatives in this "bad guy" column. As an American, I don't know that much about Starmer. But I am very familiar with Trump, and learning more about what Kirk was and stood for, which so far is all good.
So, what, in your opinion, is a "bad guy"? Here is a good example to help you base your opinion: Is publicly and falsely accusing Donald Trump in 61 (yes, that's sixty-one!) New York Times news stories from 2017-2019 (during his 1st Presidency), criminally (CRIMINALLY - the Democrat-led House of Representatives impeached him for his supposed criminal actions) "linking him to Russia and the phony Steele dossier, is that something bad or good? BTW, The New York Times has never apologized for their aiding and abetting of this fabricated story. So, who is/are the BAD guys here? Trump? Or, The NYTimes?
Is the FBI, during this same timeframe, which has been found complicit in this devious ploy initiated by Hillary Clinton and her 2016 Presidential campaign, both groups knowing that the dossier was a collection of made up lies, are they, James Comey, then FBI director, his deputy FBI director, Andrew McCabe, and Hillary Clinton and her staff, to be considered the good guys or bad guys for leading Americans to believe that Trump was illegally tied to Russia and based their opinions on the Steele dossier? So, who is/are the bad guys here? Trump? Or, the FBI director, dep director, Clinton, and her top aides? None of them have had to stand trial, (or have even apologized) and nor were they publicly shamed for their roles in Trump's wrongfully, trumped-up treasonous acts!! Let's include James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, and John Brennan, director of the Central Intelligence Agency in this group as well since they also had a huge influence on Congress and others in the top levels of the US government!
By the way, you're wrong about Charlie Kirk. He was one of the few good guys in this part of the American dog-eat-dog political world. He invited anyone, ANYONE, to debate him in a civil way. He never, NEVER got on his social media sites urging his followers to "take out", "remove from our society", and other code words or phrases against his opposition. Just look at how many of his opposition's influencers have taken the other route, the hate-speech route, on their social media sites where they promote deadly actions to be taken in a criminal, code-like way.
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