| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:48 - Sep 17 with 1159 views | onehunglow |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:46 - Sep 17 by onehunglow |
Why do you need to hunt
Enough shops around surely and there’s always on line |
And why would a grandfather give a gun as a present |  |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:54 - Sep 17 with 1134 views | raynor94 |
Americans pop into Walmart to buy a gun like we do for groceries |  |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 13:42 - Sep 17 with 1091 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:46 - Sep 17 by onehunglow |
Why do you need to hunt
Enough shops around surely and there’s always on line |
Nothing screams “real man” like shooting an unaware and defenceless animal in the face from the safety of 200 metres away. |  |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 14:18 - Sep 17 with 1060 views | onehunglow |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 13:42 - Sep 17 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Nothing screams “real man” like shooting an unaware and defenceless animal in the face from the safety of 200 metres away. |
They must have uber in Wyoming surely or at least some saloons etc
No animal needs to be hunted for fun
None
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 15:09 - Sep 17 with 1010 views | shingle |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 13:42 - Sep 17 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Nothing screams “real man” like shooting an unaware and defenceless animal in the face from the safety of 200 metres away. |
Quite a few of these UFC fighters hunt; now these guys will fight anyone anytime so they are not cowards so I do not get what pleasure they get when they as you say shoot defenceless and innocent animals it is indeed a cowardly act but they are not cowards so it would be interesting to see just what their mindset is and why they do it. | | | |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 15:50 - Sep 17 with 969 views | AnotherJohn |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 15:09 - Sep 17 by shingle |
Quite a few of these UFC fighters hunt; now these guys will fight anyone anytime so they are not cowards so I do not get what pleasure they get when they as you say shoot defenceless and innocent animals it is indeed a cowardly act but they are not cowards so it would be interesting to see just what their mindset is and why they do it. |
Going off at a bit of a tangent on shooting animals, there is an horrendous video circulating on social media of a Russian soldier killing a horse, it appears for fun with his mates looking on. He fires many shots over a minute or two with the poor animal running in circles trying to escape and thrashing around for what must have seemed an eternity before the coup de grace. It is one of the worst examples of animal cruelty I've seen. | | | |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 16:00 - Sep 17 with 937 views | Tummer_from_Texas |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 22:28 - Sep 16 by DJack |
If you think hate is just a thing of the left then you are a bigger fool than I perceived you to be. You also forgot that Charlie MADE MONEY doing the touring and loading up his videos and he believed deaths from guns was a perfectly acceptable cost of gun-rights and died under a banner that said "Prove me wrong" - the irony is off the scale.
You said "We lost this one, only because of a lost soul radicalized to believe he was shooting Adolf." As yet, we have no idea of the actual reason/motivation for this crime but I also suspect that he will turn out to be , as you put it, "a lost soul". Outside the US, many think America is losing its soul but that's a topic for another time.
Finally, If you believe that a man who suggests kids may get benefit from watching executions or that black women are not as intelligent then I would say that reflects VERY poorly on you. |
I didn't forget a damn thing. "Perfectly acceptable cost of gun-rights" is a dishonest way of twisting his point when he cited the 2 million annual defensive gun uses per the CDC.
It's a flat out lie to claim Charlie ever said Black women are less intelligent. He said he'd question any pilot (regardless of race) hired via affirmative action over merit, per his 2024 podcast. For you to interpret that as sexist or racist towards any particular group only reveals your own bigotry. So thank you for this perfect example of the Left's so-called "soft bigotry of low expectations" which I prefer to simply call bigotry - ignorant, condescending, White-splaining bigotry. In fact, Charlie praised Black leaders like Candace Owens repeatedly.
"Kids watching executions" is a new smear to me, but no doubt you've arrived at it based on some similar twisting of his words. But keep digging your hole as you continue to play dumb about Robinson's motives and inspiration. |  |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 16:20 - Sep 17 with 899 views | Whiterockin |
I think we need to accept that Americans feel owning guns is acceptable while the majority of British don't, different cultures and history. Personally I don't understand why any sane person feels it is acceptable to own a firearm. Others will have different opinions that's fine. |  | | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 17:05 - Sep 17 with 852 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 20:10 - Sep 15 by ncswan |
I re-read your post and see that I made a mistake. You're correct in that you didn't lump Trump, Kirk, and your PM Starmer in the list of bad guys. My bad.
And, I agree with your statement "that you think a good idea is a good idea wherever it comes from". I know Charlie Kirk would have agreed to that.
However, I would say that Kirk would never think that "everybody should have guns." He would say that every law-abiding person has the right to own a gun.
The US Constitution states that “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
You don't have to own a gun if you don't want to. I own several but know plenty of people who do not own any. Furthermore, 99.9% of the US citizens who own guns use them responsibly. Why should I give up my right to own a gun that I use for hunting and trap and skeet shooting purposes? BTW, people who have been convicted of a felony (Federak crime) are not allowed to own a gun.
Yes, Kirk's shooter could legally own a gun. But we could lay blame on friends and family, and potentially those social media platforms he used, for not alerting officials and getting him medical attention based on the views and statements he was posting and seeing that he was potentially a threat to society. If he had been found mentally unstable, then his right to own a gun would be in question.
Historical Context (Late 18th Century) regarding the 2nd Amendment:
Prior to independence and while under British rule, American colonists had to deal with illegal searches and imprisonment by the British Military.
Militia focus: In 1791, the U.S. had no large standing army. Defense relied heavily on state militias made up of ordinary citizens. The opening phrase — “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State” — reflects that context.
Suspicion of centralized power: Even after gaining independence, many Americans feared a powerful federal army could threaten liberty. Guaranteeing the right to keep and bear arms was partly about ensuring citizens could resist tyranny if necessary.
Everyday use of arms: Firearms were also common tools for hunting and protection on the frontier, so the right had both civic and personal dimensions. |
The Second is part of my problem, back when it was written it was very much needed but in a modern country with a very large and very well equipped armed forces, why is it necessary?
Uf an invading force has defeated your armed forces then a load of civilians with guns are just fodder.
Kirk's shooter was a law abiding citizen until he wasn't, how many people own guns legally and are a bad day away from becoming a gun toting lunatic?
Do you think the American people whi by and large idolise the USA's armed forces live in fear of them?
Do you think the British are going to come back for some more illegal searches?
What I've seen of the "militia's" I've seen on the news is that they are a bunch of cazies more likely to cause carbage than fight against it. Then there's the religious cults who are always heavily armed, if you cannot see that the second is the cause of the thousands of deaths of innocent people in your country then we shall have to agree to disagree.
BTW I didn't need the context, I know a bit about the revolution, I'm a bit of a hstory buff. | | | |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 17:39 - Sep 17 with 822 views | Gwyn737 |
If more guns make you safe, how many guns do you need for it to be enough?
Gun owners are statistically far more likely to use their gun on themselves.
WR is right that we often make the mistake of thinking because we speak the same language as Americans we’re the same. We’re not.
Guns are just one thing. We could never have a Charlie Kirk type here as we don’t have the type of evangelical Christians here that they do in the states. In fact, the majority of British Christians wouldn’t think what he stood for as very Christian at all.
I didn’t think he was a particularly good debater. Any time he was really challenged he fell back on what the bible says as the ultimate truth. No point in arguing against someone with faith.
Sadly it’ll never happen but I’d love to have seen him going up against Christopher Hitchens, although I feel Hitches wouldn’t have wanted to waste his time.
In more recent time, Alex O’Conner would have wiped the floor with someone like Charlie Kirk. [Post edited 17 Sep 17:43]
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 18:26 - Sep 17 with 761 views | onehunglow |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 15:50 - Sep 17 by AnotherJohn |
Going off at a bit of a tangent on shooting animals, there is an horrendous video circulating on social media of a Russian soldier killing a horse, it appears for fun with his mates looking on. He fires many shots over a minute or two with the poor animal running in circles trying to escape and thrashing around for what must have seemed an eternity before the coup de grace. It is one of the worst examples of animal cruelty I've seen. |
Russians are sub human
Animals and humans | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 18:36 - Sep 17 with 736 views | onehunglow |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 17:39 - Sep 17 by Gwyn737 |
If more guns make you safe, how many guns do you need for it to be enough?
Gun owners are statistically far more likely to use their gun on themselves.
WR is right that we often make the mistake of thinking because we speak the same language as Americans we’re the same. We’re not.
Guns are just one thing. We could never have a Charlie Kirk type here as we don’t have the type of evangelical Christians here that they do in the states. In fact, the majority of British Christians wouldn’t think what he stood for as very Christian at all.
I didn’t think he was a particularly good debater. Any time he was really challenged he fell back on what the bible says as the ultimate truth. No point in arguing against someone with faith.
Sadly it’ll never happen but I’d love to have seen him going up against Christopher Hitchens, although I feel Hitches wouldn’t have wanted to waste his time.
In more recent time, Alex O’Conner would have wiped the floor with someone like Charlie Kirk. [Post edited 17 Sep 17:43]
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Wrong
We do have them in this country
Praise the Lord | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 18:41 - Sep 17 with 733 views | onehunglow |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 16:00 - Sep 17 by Tummer_from_Texas |
I didn't forget a damn thing. "Perfectly acceptable cost of gun-rights" is a dishonest way of twisting his point when he cited the 2 million annual defensive gun uses per the CDC.
It's a flat out lie to claim Charlie ever said Black women are less intelligent. He said he'd question any pilot (regardless of race) hired via affirmative action over merit, per his 2024 podcast. For you to interpret that as sexist or racist towards any particular group only reveals your own bigotry. So thank you for this perfect example of the Left's so-called "soft bigotry of low expectations" which I prefer to simply call bigotry - ignorant, condescending, White-splaining bigotry. In fact, Charlie praised Black leaders like Candace Owens repeatedly.
"Kids watching executions" is a new smear to me, but no doubt you've arrived at it based on some similar twisting of his words. But keep digging your hole as you continue to play dumb about Robinson's motives and inspiration. |
American needs to dearm its people
You don’t need a piece in the glovebox
You don’t need to blow away animals
You massacred the buffalo
You don’t need to hunt for food
It’s in the shopping malls
It’s a power thing
Isn’t it | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 19:40 - Sep 17 with 654 views | ItchySphincter |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 16:00 - Sep 17 by Tummer_from_Texas |
I didn't forget a damn thing. "Perfectly acceptable cost of gun-rights" is a dishonest way of twisting his point when he cited the 2 million annual defensive gun uses per the CDC.
It's a flat out lie to claim Charlie ever said Black women are less intelligent. He said he'd question any pilot (regardless of race) hired via affirmative action over merit, per his 2024 podcast. For you to interpret that as sexist or racist towards any particular group only reveals your own bigotry. So thank you for this perfect example of the Left's so-called "soft bigotry of low expectations" which I prefer to simply call bigotry - ignorant, condescending, White-splaining bigotry. In fact, Charlie praised Black leaders like Candace Owens repeatedly.
"Kids watching executions" is a new smear to me, but no doubt you've arrived at it based on some similar twisting of his words. But keep digging your hole as you continue to play dumb about Robinson's motives and inspiration. |
lol. Hahahahahaha! 🤣 |  |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 21:09 - Sep 17 with 601 views | AnotherJohn |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 18:36 - Sep 17 by onehunglow |
Wrong
We do have them in this country
Praise the Lord |
I fully agree that America's obsession with firearms is a problem. However, many responsible members of rifle range clubs in the UK will think we have gone a bit too far. No short firearms (except back powder pistols) are allowed now, and many enthusiasts who presented no threat to the public had to surrender their prized pistols when the law changed some years ago. These people had been vetted in order to get a FAC. As I said earlier in the thread, the Mauser bolt-action rifle (with a 5-shot magazine) said to have fired the fatal shot in Utah can be legally owned in the UK. Many game keepers will have similar weapons, and a quick Google search showed several rifles of this type advertised for sale here from about £500 up. So this case is a bit different from cases where a killer enters a school with a semi-automatic AR15 clone and large magazine. | | | |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 21:17 - Sep 17 with 593 views | ncswan |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 20:56 - Sep 16 by majorraglan |
From what I’ve read theres money for lobbying figures and then direct contribution to support political “allies” - in 2020 the NRA trousered up $50m to support DT and the Republicans. |
Source, please for what you've read. $50M is about a little more than twice what I found:
"According to OpenSecrets, the National Rifle Association’s total outside spending on federal elections in 2020 was about $29,355,400."
According to Everytown for Gun Safety (EFGS), which tracks political spending and issues related to guns, reported that “more than 66% of the NRA’s federal independent expenditure spending was devoted to reelecting President Trump.”
EFGS also put the amount the NRA spent in support of Trump in 2020 at roughly $16.6 million.
The $30M is not a small amount but it is much smaller than the large donors to both Republican and Democrat parties. | | | |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 00:09 - Sep 18 with 492 views | DJack |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 16:00 - Sep 17 by Tummer_from_Texas |
I didn't forget a damn thing. "Perfectly acceptable cost of gun-rights" is a dishonest way of twisting his point when he cited the 2 million annual defensive gun uses per the CDC.
It's a flat out lie to claim Charlie ever said Black women are less intelligent. He said he'd question any pilot (regardless of race) hired via affirmative action over merit, per his 2024 podcast. For you to interpret that as sexist or racist towards any particular group only reveals your own bigotry. So thank you for this perfect example of the Left's so-called "soft bigotry of low expectations" which I prefer to simply call bigotry - ignorant, condescending, White-splaining bigotry. In fact, Charlie praised Black leaders like Candace Owens repeatedly.
"Kids watching executions" is a new smear to me, but no doubt you've arrived at it based on some similar twisting of his words. But keep digging your hole as you continue to play dumb about Robinson's motives and inspiration. |
"Kirk did say during the show that public executions could have corporate sponsors like Coca Cola, and that watching these would be an "initiation" for children."
https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/09/15/charlie-kirk-public-executions/ |  |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 00:20 - Sep 18 with 476 views | DJack |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 16:00 - Sep 17 by Tummer_from_Texas |
I didn't forget a damn thing. "Perfectly acceptable cost of gun-rights" is a dishonest way of twisting his point when he cited the 2 million annual defensive gun uses per the CDC.
It's a flat out lie to claim Charlie ever said Black women are less intelligent. He said he'd question any pilot (regardless of race) hired via affirmative action over merit, per his 2024 podcast. For you to interpret that as sexist or racist towards any particular group only reveals your own bigotry. So thank you for this perfect example of the Left's so-called "soft bigotry of low expectations" which I prefer to simply call bigotry - ignorant, condescending, White-splaining bigotry. In fact, Charlie praised Black leaders like Candace Owens repeatedly.
"Kids watching executions" is a new smear to me, but no doubt you've arrived at it based on some similar twisting of his words. But keep digging your hole as you continue to play dumb about Robinson's motives and inspiration. |
Oh, and these...
"If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously."
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023
"I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational".
– Event organized by TPUSA Faith, the religious arm of Kirk’s conservative group Turning Point USA, on 5 April 2023
So by your staunch, unwavering and non-critical support of him you have shown us who you truly are. | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:42 - Sep 18 with 188 views | johnlangy |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 17:39 - Sep 17 by Gwyn737 |
If more guns make you safe, how many guns do you need for it to be enough?
Gun owners are statistically far more likely to use their gun on themselves.
WR is right that we often make the mistake of thinking because we speak the same language as Americans we’re the same. We’re not.
Guns are just one thing. We could never have a Charlie Kirk type here as we don’t have the type of evangelical Christians here that they do in the states. In fact, the majority of British Christians wouldn’t think what he stood for as very Christian at all.
I didn’t think he was a particularly good debater. Any time he was really challenged he fell back on what the bible says as the ultimate truth. No point in arguing against someone with faith.
Sadly it’ll never happen but I’d love to have seen him going up against Christopher Hitchens, although I feel Hitches wouldn’t have wanted to waste his time.
In more recent time, Alex O’Conner would have wiped the floor with someone like Charlie Kirk. [Post edited 17 Sep 17:43]
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Christopher Hitchens would have annihilated him. In my opinion. | | | |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 13:00 - Sep 18 with 160 views | ItchySphincter |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 00:20 - Sep 18 by DJack |
Oh, and these...
"If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously."
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023
"I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational".
– Event organized by TPUSA Faith, the religious arm of Kirk’s conservative group Turning Point USA, on 5 April 2023
So by your staunch, unwavering and non-critical support of him you have shown us who you truly are. |
It’s a parody account, surely. | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 15:55 - Sep 18 with 48 views | trampie |
Kirk never heard of him. |  |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 15:57 - Sep 18 with 42 views | trampie |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 15:57 - Sep 18 with 42 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 00:20 - Sep 18 by DJack |
Oh, and these...
"If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously."
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023
"I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational".
– Event organized by TPUSA Faith, the religious arm of Kirk’s conservative group Turning Point USA, on 5 April 2023
So by your staunch, unwavering and non-critical support of him you have shown us who you truly are. |
Don't forget Martin Luther King Jr whom Kirk called an “awful” person who “said one good thing he actually didn't believe.” He also said the U.S. “made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s.”
In the UK we were incensed about the Southport stabbbogs where 3 young girls were killed but those incidents don't occur very often in the UK and in the last year there were around 150 incidents of violence involving a knife in UK schools but no one died. In roughly the same period there 146 incidents in American schools involving a gun being fired. Up toSept 10 there were 47 mass school shootings with 19 dead and 77 injured. What a waste of young lives. | | | |
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