| How did Madsen play yesterday? 11:35 - Sep 14 with 14708 views | HotCurrie |
I saw he played 84 mins and on the highlights there was a great turn and pass for Kone's goal. How was he the rest of the match? |  | | |  |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 22:27 - Sep 15 with 2540 views | ParkRoyalR |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 11:06 - Sep 15 by gazza1 |
We still find times to be negative about Madsen when he is doing a very decent job for the Team, if he wasn't he would not get a start like he has in 12 or so of the last 15 matches.
The pass he made for the Kone goal was excellent weighted ball to an excellent area which give Kone time & space to do his bit but many appear to think nothing of it. He certainly did, he 'showed up' in space to receive the ball, yes showed for the ball!!! (which I hear he doesn't do!!), knew what to do, early, because of his vision and forward mentality and done what he had to do to give Kone the opportunity to make space strike at goal - Ask Kone what he thought of the ball he got from Madsen.
Of course he has weaknesses, don't they all??, they all go missing in games, they all give the stray pass, they all miss a tackle or header, they all make the wrong decisions and so on.......but posters appear to think that Madsen does it more than most, if not all of the other selected players. I can assure you all that he is no worse than many of the players and by the way just because Smyth or Kaito run around more than Madsen it does not mean Madsen is a passenger or they are more of an asset to the Team. He has a lot of other qualities that they do not have and hence why he plays/starts most weeks. |
Gazza,
Not to over labour the point but it was actually Vale who showed for the ball, and this is the courage I talk about,
Dunne receives the ball, Madsen points telling Dunne to pass to Morrison, turns his back and moves away,
Vale however drops into the space and then plays a superb pass on the half turn so to speak and opens Wrexham up,
Madsen then does what he is good at when he finds himself in space which is play a good pass the way he is facing,
What Vale does though is what we need Madsen to do, drop into that space, play the ball on the half turn and open teams up the way Vale did,
The roles should have been reversed here and Madsen should have been playing that pass to Vale,
In this instance he didn't find space to take the ball instead telling Dunne to pass to Morrison, which was a to no where sideways pass, we don't break the line or score that goal,
I cannot see Championship teams giving Madsen the time & space he needs to play his game,
Vale however might be the player we thought we were buying in Madsen.
Let's see, either way we have a very interesting & capable squad this season. |  | | |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 07:50 - Sep 16 with 2161 views | gazza1 |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 17:22 - Sep 15 by Esox_Lucius |
I watched the full 90 mins today and that pass was both well weighted and hit with the outside of his boot. He put me in mind of a conductor inasmuch as he can't play all the instruments in the orchestra but he certainly gets them playing a tune. I was no fan of his last season but have no real issues with him being the team regularly. The real surprise was how poor Jimmy Dunne was overall. That's not to take away him rescuing Nardi a couple of times. [Post edited 15 Sep 20:08]
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You are correct mate, absolute knit picking, just so the uneducated can have a dig at Madsen......the ball was very good indeed, near perfect (As I have said before, ask Kone what he thought about the pass!!!).....it wrong footed Coady allowed Kone to get the ball onto his preferred right foot & the rest is history.
Sad reflection really, but hey ho!!! | | | |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 08:09 - Sep 16 with 2083 views | gazza1 |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 22:27 - Sep 15 by ParkRoyalR |
Gazza,
Not to over labour the point but it was actually Vale who showed for the ball, and this is the courage I talk about,
Dunne receives the ball, Madsen points telling Dunne to pass to Morrison, turns his back and moves away,
Vale however drops into the space and then plays a superb pass on the half turn so to speak and opens Wrexham up,
Madsen then does what he is good at when he finds himself in space which is play a good pass the way he is facing,
What Vale does though is what we need Madsen to do, drop into that space, play the ball on the half turn and open teams up the way Vale did,
The roles should have been reversed here and Madsen should have been playing that pass to Vale,
In this instance he didn't find space to take the ball instead telling Dunne to pass to Morrison, which was a to no where sideways pass, we don't break the line or score that goal,
I cannot see Championship teams giving Madsen the time & space he needs to play his game,
Vale however might be the player we thought we were buying in Madsen.
Let's see, either way we have a very interesting & capable squad this season. |
A better response PRR but mostly incorrect/wrong.......
Madsen did not point to Morrison, he made a gesture to Varane who was coming out of the box after the keeper collected the ball (Do you know what he was saying??, I don't), Madsen then continued his run forward (this is what he does to give other options), Dunne to Vale, nice quality flick to Madsen who took the ball on the run going forward, laid an excellent ball to Kone & the rest is history.....a top quality goal but some posters want to make negatives. Dunne, Vale, Madsen & Kone done excellent, back to front, nice goal indeed.
This lot, below, which you write is nonsense too......& I am not going into detail about that as well!!
'What Vale does though is what we need Madsen to do, drop into that space, play the ball on the half turn and open teams up the way Vale did, The roles should have been reversed here and Madsen should have been playing that pass to Vale, In this instance he didn't find space to take the ball instead telling Dunne to pass to Morrison, which was a to no where sideways pass, we don't break the line or score that goal' - NONSENCE!!!
I am done with this thread, negatives should not be on the agenda regarding Madsen's performance at Wrexham, Madsen part in Kone's goal, nor the Team performance....all were very good. | | | |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 08:15 - Sep 16 with 2068 views | dutch |
Does anyone know how many Angels fit on the head of a pin? | | | |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 08:37 - Sep 16 with 2001 views | SherryHoop |
I have been a critic of Madsen's to date but I really want him to succeed. He is a valuable asset that we have invested in and potentially he is a player that is a bit unique in this league. If he continues to improve then it is good for everyone. Will need to do a lot more than he has/is though. | | | |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 09:00 - Sep 16 with 1914 views | Beckenhamhoop |
Having now watched the full 90 mins v Wrexham I thought Madsen was adequate (and I like Madsen). The game largely passed him by and I don’t think we, as a team, were that good actually. I thought the score line flattered us a bit as it did against Charlton.
Madsen was not the only one though. What did surprise me was that, apart from his terrific shot and goal, Kone did absolutely nothing else at all. | | | |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 09:41 - Sep 16 with 1793 views | dutch |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 09:00 - Sep 16 by Beckenhamhoop |
Having now watched the full 90 mins v Wrexham I thought Madsen was adequate (and I like Madsen). The game largely passed him by and I don’t think we, as a team, were that good actually. I thought the score line flattered us a bit as it did against Charlton.
Madsen was not the only one though. What did surprise me was that, apart from his terrific shot and goal, Kone did absolutely nothing else at all. |
Have another look. Do you think we would have scored the first goal without his tenacity? | | | |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 09:46 - Sep 16 with 1751 views | Watford_Ranger |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 09:00 - Sep 16 by Beckenhamhoop |
Having now watched the full 90 mins v Wrexham I thought Madsen was adequate (and I like Madsen). The game largely passed him by and I don’t think we, as a team, were that good actually. I thought the score line flattered us a bit as it did against Charlton.
Madsen was not the only one though. What did surprise me was that, apart from his terrific shot and goal, Kone did absolutely nothing else at all. |
I doubt Conor Coady would agree with that assessment. | | | |
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| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 10:05 - Sep 16 with 1692 views | nix |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 09:00 - Sep 16 by Beckenhamhoop |
Having now watched the full 90 mins v Wrexham I thought Madsen was adequate (and I like Madsen). The game largely passed him by and I don’t think we, as a team, were that good actually. I thought the score line flattered us a bit as it did against Charlton.
Madsen was not the only one though. What did surprise me was that, apart from his terrific shot and goal, Kone did absolutely nothing else at all. |
I haven't watched the 90 minutes Wrexham back, partly because the camera work and direction were ironically terrible. But I did watch the Charlton match back and thought he created several chances that could have been goals but were fluffed. If Madsen is used more against the bottom half teams then he'll be worth it if he helps us win those matches by creating several good chances, which he did for Charlton and Wrexham.
We've often done badly against teams we 'should' beat. |  | | |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 10:51 - Sep 16 with 1599 views | francisbowles |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 09:00 - Sep 16 by Beckenhamhoop |
Having now watched the full 90 mins v Wrexham I thought Madsen was adequate (and I like Madsen). The game largely passed him by and I don’t think we, as a team, were that good actually. I thought the score line flattered us a bit as it did against Charlton.
Madsen was not the only one though. What did surprise me was that, apart from his terrific shot and goal, Kone did absolutely nothing else at all. |
Charlie Austin didn't do much apart from score goals!
Whilst I'm at it, anyone think some similarities between Madsen and Masson?
Scarpers off to recently re- erected Anderson shelter.😬 | | | |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 11:35 - Sep 16 with 1521 views | Pindarus |
If not Madsen who to boo? Must have a scapegoat! | | | |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 11:57 - Sep 16 with 1454 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 09:00 - Sep 16 by Beckenhamhoop |
Having now watched the full 90 mins v Wrexham I thought Madsen was adequate (and I like Madsen). The game largely passed him by and I don’t think we, as a team, were that good actually. I thought the score line flattered us a bit as it did against Charlton.
Madsen was not the only one though. What did surprise me was that, apart from his terrific shot and goal, Kone did absolutely nothing else at all. |
I think our xG over the past couple of games has been quite low, but we've banged in 6.
It suggests that we're not creating that many clear chances which is a worry. It tallys with your comment that the score line flattered us. | |
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| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 12:02 - Sep 16 with 1435 views | kensalriser |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 22:27 - Sep 15 by ParkRoyalR |
Gazza,
Not to over labour the point but it was actually Vale who showed for the ball, and this is the courage I talk about,
Dunne receives the ball, Madsen points telling Dunne to pass to Morrison, turns his back and moves away,
Vale however drops into the space and then plays a superb pass on the half turn so to speak and opens Wrexham up,
Madsen then does what he is good at when he finds himself in space which is play a good pass the way he is facing,
What Vale does though is what we need Madsen to do, drop into that space, play the ball on the half turn and open teams up the way Vale did,
The roles should have been reversed here and Madsen should have been playing that pass to Vale,
In this instance he didn't find space to take the ball instead telling Dunne to pass to Morrison, which was a to no where sideways pass, we don't break the line or score that goal,
I cannot see Championship teams giving Madsen the time & space he needs to play his game,
Vale however might be the player we thought we were buying in Madsen.
Let's see, either way we have a very interesting & capable squad this season. |
'Vale showed for the ball'.
Both Madsen and Vale assumed their allotted positions, Madsen centrally and Vale on the right. The pass was to Vale because that was the best choice available, and Vale adjusted his position to receive in greater space. If Madsen had shaped for that ball he would have been in the wrong position with two opponents on him.
Everything you see is saturated with confirmation bias. |  |
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| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 12:09 - Sep 16 with 1417 views | Beckenhamhoop |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 09:41 - Sep 16 by dutch |
Have another look. Do you think we would have scored the first goal without his tenacity? |
Jostling for a ball in the penalty area even 5hough it led to a goal isn’t much to shout about. I like Kone, who doesn’t, and I thought he was great against Charlton. I think playing that slightly deeper role behind Burrell didn’t seem to suit him much on this occasion.
Getting back to Madsen, I thought his performance reflected the teams overall performance; can and must do better. | | | |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 12:38 - Sep 16 with 1331 views | nix |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 11:57 - Sep 16 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I think our xG over the past couple of games has been quite low, but we've banged in 6.
It suggests that we're not creating that many clear chances which is a worry. It tallys with your comment that the score line flattered us. |
Yes but Coventry had an XG of 1.27 when they beat us 7-1 (and no-one called the scoreline a fluke) whereas we had an XG of 1.43 against Wrexham and Charlton. XG is a rubbish way to assess performance IMHO. | | | |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 12:44 - Sep 16 with 1309 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 12:38 - Sep 16 by nix |
Yes but Coventry had an XG of 1.27 when they beat us 7-1 (and no-one called the scoreline a fluke) whereas we had an XG of 1.43 against Wrexham and Charlton. XG is a rubbish way to assess performance IMHO. |
I always think that xG over a season seems accurate enough, but in individual games it definitely throws up some wierd old cack. |  |
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| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 12:59 - Sep 16 with 1253 views | nix |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 12:44 - Sep 16 by BrianMcCarthy |
I always think that xG over a season seems accurate enough, but in individual games it definitely throws up some wierd old cack. |
Agreed Brian.
Often the same for other stats too. | | | |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 12:59 - Sep 16 with 1251 views | TheChef |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 12:44 - Sep 16 by BrianMcCarthy |
I always think that xG over a season seems accurate enough, but in individual games it definitely throws up some wierd old cack. |
xG can do one.
The only metric for football is actual goals! |  |
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| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 13:12 - Sep 16 with 1222 views | HotCurrie |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 09:00 - Sep 16 by Beckenhamhoop |
Having now watched the full 90 mins v Wrexham I thought Madsen was adequate (and I like Madsen). The game largely passed him by and I don’t think we, as a team, were that good actually. I thought the score line flattered us a bit as it did against Charlton.
Madsen was not the only one though. What did surprise me was that, apart from his terrific shot and goal, Kone did absolutely nothing else at all. |
Clive Allen did very little apart from score goals. Hundreds of them. Mind you, that was his job. | | | |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 13:23 - Sep 16 with 1189 views | TheChef |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 13:12 - Sep 16 by HotCurrie |
Clive Allen did very little apart from score goals. Hundreds of them. Mind you, that was his job. |
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| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 16:19 - Sep 16 with 960 views | ParkRoyalR |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 12:02 - Sep 16 by kensalriser |
'Vale showed for the ball'.
Both Madsen and Vale assumed their allotted positions, Madsen centrally and Vale on the right. The pass was to Vale because that was the best choice available, and Vale adjusted his position to receive in greater space. If Madsen had shaped for that ball he would have been in the wrong position with two opponents on him.
Everything you see is saturated with confirmation bias. |
Brilliant, Lower 6th Form Psychology Studies heh.
Hopefully with your positive thinking we'll get our £3.5m quid back sometime soon. | | | |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 16:26 - Sep 16 with 952 views | dmm |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 16:19 - Sep 16 by ParkRoyalR |
Brilliant, Lower 6th Form Psychology Studies heh.
Hopefully with your positive thinking we'll get our £3.5m quid back sometime soon. |
Is that you, Stainrod's Elbow? |  | | |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 16:27 - Sep 16 with 933 views | ParkRoyalR |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 09:00 - Sep 16 by Beckenhamhoop |
Having now watched the full 90 mins v Wrexham I thought Madsen was adequate (and I like Madsen). The game largely passed him by and I don’t think we, as a team, were that good actually. I thought the score line flattered us a bit as it did against Charlton.
Madsen was not the only one though. What did surprise me was that, apart from his terrific shot and goal, Kone did absolutely nothing else at all. |
I have you right on those points,
Kone is not a grafter like Burrell and he won't see the like of Conor Cody's defending again in his lifetime, but boy does that lad know where the goal is,
Teams only performed against the expected weaker teams this season so the Managers maybe been bailed out by Kone's finishing & now Burrells,
Bringing on Frey & Dembele to see the game out before bringing Field & Hadyn on was not exactly Warnock'esque.
Manager still learning this League and his players, let's hope he's a quick learner. | | | |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 16:32 - Sep 16 with 921 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 12:38 - Sep 16 by nix |
Yes but Coventry had an XG of 1.27 when they beat us 7-1 (and no-one called the scoreline a fluke) whereas we had an XG of 1.43 against Wrexham and Charlton. XG is a rubbish way to assess performance IMHO. |
In one game yes, it's pointless, but over several it starts to point to a trend.
A good example in our recent history was under Warburton, we were 3rd in January having just beaten WBA. My son a month earlier had pointed out our xG was really low and that we were massively over performing and wouldn't go up. We imploded.
This Saturday will be a good indication of where we are. | |
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| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 18:25 - Sep 16 with 791 views | nix |
| How did Madsen play yesterday? on 16:32 - Sep 16 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
In one game yes, it's pointless, but over several it starts to point to a trend.
A good example in our recent history was under Warburton, we were 3rd in January having just beaten WBA. My son a month earlier had pointed out our xG was really low and that we were massively over performing and wouldn't go up. We imploded.
This Saturday will be a good indication of where we are. |
I agree with Brian that it's probably relevant over a season, or even half a season as in your example. Not several games though with a new manager and new players coming in.
Another issue with that Warbs team was because we became too predictable, we got found out a bit and he didn't know how to adjust. I do think we've got more options in this squad and hopefully a more flexible manager.
I still won't feel able to make particularly firm conclusions after Stoke. After all Derby beat WBA after a poor start. One more match doesn't prove much.After the next three-five matches we should know more. | | | |
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