| Madsen 14:30 - Sep 20 with 46566 views | Lblock |
Been a harsh critic (deservedly so in my opinion) but credit where it’s due - good game today
Put himself about and won a few tackles but also some really intelligent passes and took up good positions when out of possession
Fair play
Close to MoM but that’s Saito for me |  |
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| Madsen on 19:09 - Sep 23 with 3902 views | dutch |
An online article about Madsen in something called EFL Analysis just said 'his underwhelming first season in South London'. Can we sue? That is the worst insult to our team, Chelsea are in South London. |  | | |
| Madsen on 19:47 - Sep 23 with 3778 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Madsen on 18:25 - Sep 23 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
But Madsen has been playing in an almost defensive 6 role, not an attacking 10. |
I initially thought this hence my frustration with his inability to 'show' for the ball from our defenders in the way say Bannan does,
It was clearer on Saturday that Varane is the CDM or 6 and seems solely tasked with taking the short pass when we play out from the back,
Madsen is more advanced playing as the 8,
Varane has a lot of responsibility in this set up and it was noticeable when he went off how we struggled to transition the ball out of defence, as Hadyn is, like Field, a more traditional defensively minded CDM,
Madsen with Vale, Saito, Kone & Burrell in front of him has plenty of options, hence improved performance. | | | |
| Madsen on 19:48 - Sep 23 with 3780 views | dmm |
| Madsen on 17:26 - Sep 23 by ParkRoyalR |
Classy post, best leave the funnies to Disco & Boston heh,
Lets put it another way, if I was Ruben handing out the pay packets every month for the last 12 months and I'm giving this bloke £30k a month, I want to give him the feedback that Jimmy Dunne did the other week,
I get we're all euphoric after a great home win,
I get Northern scored him a 7 in his Match Report,
Likely his highest match day rating after his first consistent contribution over 90 minutes,
But given his free role and our minimal expectations of him when we are out of possession, that level of performance is the minimum I would expect week in week out of a player we paid that money for.
Vale & Saito have set the standards in goals & assists for the 10's and lets hope Madsen can consistently do that too, starting @ Hillsborough, a big pitch that takes some covering. |
I asked how you could possibly know Madsen is on £30k. I take your non-reply as a tacit admission you don't know. In fact, you can't know because that information is not normally accessible. Websites that purport to have such information don't. They're just making it up for clicks. |  | | |
| Madsen on 20:07 - Sep 23 with 3697 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Madsen on 19:48 - Sep 23 by dmm |
I asked how you could possibly know Madsen is on £30k. I take your non-reply as a tacit admission you don't know. In fact, you can't know because that information is not normally accessible. Websites that purport to have such information don't. They're just making it up for clicks. |
Read my post again, you'll see why I did'nt respond. | | | |
| Madsen on 21:00 - Sep 23 with 3543 views | Superhoops2808 |
| Madsen on 19:48 - Sep 23 by dmm |
I asked how you could possibly know Madsen is on £30k. I take your non-reply as a tacit admission you don't know. In fact, you can't know because that information is not normally accessible. Websites that purport to have such information don't. They're just making it up for clicks. |
He's been playing Football manager so he's guessing |  | | |
| Madsen on 09:28 - Sep 24 with 3108 views | terryb |
| Madsen on 18:19 - Sep 23 by dmm |
How can you possibly know he's on £30k a week? |
Far be it for me to defend PPR, but he did post £30k per month, not per week.
Unless it's been edited by the time I read it! | | | |
| Madsen on 10:27 - Sep 24 with 2958 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Madsen on 20:07 - Sep 23 by ParkRoyalR |
Read my post again, you'll see why I did'nt respond. |
It's nearer 1/3rd of that. |  |
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| Madsen on 10:53 - Sep 24 with 2896 views | dmm |
| Madsen on 20:07 - Sep 23 by ParkRoyalR |
Read my post again, you'll see why I did'nt respond. |
Ah, fair enough. My error. | | | |
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| Madsen on 11:39 - Sep 24 with 2826 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Madsen on 10:53 - Sep 24 by dmm |
Ah, fair enough. My error. |
Your're half right tho, I did Google it and £7.5k a week sounded about right, could be wrong mind. | | | |
| Madsen on 11:44 - Sep 24 with 2808 views | nix |
| Madsen on 19:47 - Sep 23 by ParkRoyalR |
I initially thought this hence my frustration with his inability to 'show' for the ball from our defenders in the way say Bannan does,
It was clearer on Saturday that Varane is the CDM or 6 and seems solely tasked with taking the short pass when we play out from the back,
Madsen is more advanced playing as the 8,
Varane has a lot of responsibility in this set up and it was noticeable when he went off how we struggled to transition the ball out of defence, as Hadyn is, like Field, a more traditional defensively minded CDM,
Madsen with Vale, Saito, Kone & Burrell in front of him has plenty of options, hence improved performance. |
I don't know f you see matches live but as a number of posters have confirmed, it's not just his attacking performance that's improved, he's much better defensively. He's got more understanding about what you need to do in midfield in the Championship and got in several important blocks, clearances and headers and has started to do this in most matches.
It's hardly his fault that we had little movement up front last season, which would've played to his passing strengths; we had the slowest attack in Christendom, Smyth aside. However his overall performance was not at the level admittedly for the first three quarters of the season, which he admits himself. But you can see it was already clicking with his three assists and a goal in the last six crucial matches. He's largely continued that level this season and the 'but what about last season' posts should give it a rest. |  | | |
| Madsen on 12:40 - Sep 24 with 2684 views | Beestonranger |
I hope this thread continues to grow through the season to rival the Eze thread (although there were several of them). | | | |
| Madsen on 12:57 - Sep 24 with 2598 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Madsen on 19:47 - Sep 23 by ParkRoyalR |
I initially thought this hence my frustration with his inability to 'show' for the ball from our defenders in the way say Bannan does,
It was clearer on Saturday that Varane is the CDM or 6 and seems solely tasked with taking the short pass when we play out from the back,
Madsen is more advanced playing as the 8,
Varane has a lot of responsibility in this set up and it was noticeable when he went off how we struggled to transition the ball out of defence, as Hadyn is, like Field, a more traditional defensively minded CDM,
Madsen with Vale, Saito, Kone & Burrell in front of him has plenty of options, hence improved performance. |
Madsen is definitely not playing as an 8 this season. We are playing two deep lying midfielders, much like last season, but the major difference is Madsen instead of Field.
Madsen is better on the ball than Field hence he starts.
The reason that Madsen (or Varane) don't 'show' for the ball from the defenders is the switch to being more direct.
It's nothing to do with Madsen not wanting the ball. | |
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| Madsen on 13:02 - Sep 24 with 2582 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Madsen on 11:44 - Sep 24 by nix |
I don't know f you see matches live but as a number of posters have confirmed, it's not just his attacking performance that's improved, he's much better defensively. He's got more understanding about what you need to do in midfield in the Championship and got in several important blocks, clearances and headers and has started to do this in most matches.
It's hardly his fault that we had little movement up front last season, which would've played to his passing strengths; we had the slowest attack in Christendom, Smyth aside. However his overall performance was not at the level admittedly for the first three quarters of the season, which he admits himself. But you can see it was already clicking with his three assists and a goal in the last six crucial matches. He's largely continued that level this season and the 'but what about last season' posts should give it a rest. |
Yes I do go to games (home & a fair few away) and it'll take a little bit longer to totally erase that non-performance at Watford,
Regards those last few games last season where he was apparently much improved, I thought he had an acceptable first 20 minutes at Oxford and then just disappeared, so we all see things differently,
Now Saturday was the first time I have seen a consistent level of performance for 90 minutes, hopefully Saturday I see another, and many more to come,
I agree he's now making covering defensive runs and at least jumping for headers, which, lets face is, is the absolute bare minimum we should expect,
My previous frustration was'nt necessarily his lack of running, heading or tackling (thats not his game), it was I felt he was'nt showing for the ball from the defence (still an issue for me as Varane is then doubled up on) and was hiding,
I want to see him demanding the ball and not pointing away from himself as he did for the Dunne to Vale pass at Wrexham, only becoming involved in that move when Vale flicked the ball into his path,
Too often he is'nt in a position to receive a pass but there was a marked improvement in this regard on Saturday.
Bannan is the bench-mark for Madsen and hopefully he comes out on top on Saturday. | | | |
| Madsen on 13:07 - Sep 24 with 2526 views | qprninja |
| Madsen on 11:44 - Sep 24 by nix |
I don't know f you see matches live but as a number of posters have confirmed, it's not just his attacking performance that's improved, he's much better defensively. He's got more understanding about what you need to do in midfield in the Championship and got in several important blocks, clearances and headers and has started to do this in most matches.
It's hardly his fault that we had little movement up front last season, which would've played to his passing strengths; we had the slowest attack in Christendom, Smyth aside. However his overall performance was not at the level admittedly for the first three quarters of the season, which he admits himself. But you can see it was already clicking with his three assists and a goal in the last six crucial matches. He's largely continued that level this season and the 'but what about last season' posts should give it a rest. |
Spot on, some very important blocks, interceptions and tackles. Good to see. |  | | |
| Madsen on 13:15 - Sep 24 with 2478 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Madsen on 13:02 - Sep 24 by ParkRoyalR |
Yes I do go to games (home & a fair few away) and it'll take a little bit longer to totally erase that non-performance at Watford,
Regards those last few games last season where he was apparently much improved, I thought he had an acceptable first 20 minutes at Oxford and then just disappeared, so we all see things differently,
Now Saturday was the first time I have seen a consistent level of performance for 90 minutes, hopefully Saturday I see another, and many more to come,
I agree he's now making covering defensive runs and at least jumping for headers, which, lets face is, is the absolute bare minimum we should expect,
My previous frustration was'nt necessarily his lack of running, heading or tackling (thats not his game), it was I felt he was'nt showing for the ball from the defence (still an issue for me as Varane is then doubled up on) and was hiding,
I want to see him demanding the ball and not pointing away from himself as he did for the Dunne to Vale pass at Wrexham, only becoming involved in that move when Vale flicked the ball into his path,
Too often he is'nt in a position to receive a pass but there was a marked improvement in this regard on Saturday.
Bannan is the bench-mark for Madsen and hopefully he comes out on top on Saturday. |
Varane is doubled up on, not because Madsen isn't helping, but because Varane is crap on the ball.
As soon as Varane receives the ball, the one or two nearest are triggered to press him hard knowing there is a high chance he'll hit a wayward pass.
It happened a couple of times Saturday, but I'm afraid Madsen is not the problem. | |
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| Madsen on 13:45 - Sep 24 with 2394 views | nix |
| Madsen on 13:02 - Sep 24 by ParkRoyalR |
Yes I do go to games (home & a fair few away) and it'll take a little bit longer to totally erase that non-performance at Watford,
Regards those last few games last season where he was apparently much improved, I thought he had an acceptable first 20 minutes at Oxford and then just disappeared, so we all see things differently,
Now Saturday was the first time I have seen a consistent level of performance for 90 minutes, hopefully Saturday I see another, and many more to come,
I agree he's now making covering defensive runs and at least jumping for headers, which, lets face is, is the absolute bare minimum we should expect,
My previous frustration was'nt necessarily his lack of running, heading or tackling (thats not his game), it was I felt he was'nt showing for the ball from the defence (still an issue for me as Varane is then doubled up on) and was hiding,
I want to see him demanding the ball and not pointing away from himself as he did for the Dunne to Vale pass at Wrexham, only becoming involved in that move when Vale flicked the ball into his path,
Too often he is'nt in a position to receive a pass but there was a marked improvement in this regard on Saturday.
Bannan is the bench-mark for Madsen and hopefully he comes out on top on Saturday. |
The Watford game is a silly one to judge anyone long term based on that performance: a host of injuries, a thin squad, a DS CM as right back, a newly signed CB as LB, an out of form Sam Field and Steve Cook, an unfit/injured Chair, a sub-par Dembele, a new goalie and a new striker finding their feet in a new league and a new manager learning about his players and a new division. Nor the Coventry debacle.
As for Oxford away I'm happy that he produced the assist that led to a vital first goal.
I don't think the efforts he's making defensively are so universal: Dozzell and Iroegbunan were always going missing.
So what if he didn't show for the original ball against Wrexham, he got the assist FFS. He may not be a combination of Sam Field and Dembele quite yet but nor are Sam Field or Dembele. He is clearly working hard at his game, improving and contributing to the team.
Expecting him to be Barry Bannen is farcical. | | | |
| Madsen on 14:25 - Sep 24 with 2265 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Madsen on 12:57 - Sep 24 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Madsen is definitely not playing as an 8 this season. We are playing two deep lying midfielders, much like last season, but the major difference is Madsen instead of Field.
Madsen is better on the ball than Field hence he starts.
The reason that Madsen (or Varane) don't 'show' for the ball from the defenders is the switch to being more direct.
It's nothing to do with Madsen not wanting the ball. |
Maybe, but the thing with Varane in my eyes is that he is a quick learner and ever-improving. It is wonderful to see him progress and I strongly suspect that he will be one of the first of the Nourry troupe to move on for a very large profit. |  | | |
| Madsen on 14:48 - Sep 24 with 2157 views | dmm |
Varane just needs to play the ball more quickly. It would improve his passing and help build momentum. | | | |
| Madsen on 14:48 - Sep 24 with 2157 views | QPRSam |
| Madsen on 13:02 - Sep 24 by ParkRoyalR |
Yes I do go to games (home & a fair few away) and it'll take a little bit longer to totally erase that non-performance at Watford,
Regards those last few games last season where he was apparently much improved, I thought he had an acceptable first 20 minutes at Oxford and then just disappeared, so we all see things differently,
Now Saturday was the first time I have seen a consistent level of performance for 90 minutes, hopefully Saturday I see another, and many more to come,
I agree he's now making covering defensive runs and at least jumping for headers, which, lets face is, is the absolute bare minimum we should expect,
My previous frustration was'nt necessarily his lack of running, heading or tackling (thats not his game), it was I felt he was'nt showing for the ball from the defence (still an issue for me as Varane is then doubled up on) and was hiding,
I want to see him demanding the ball and not pointing away from himself as he did for the Dunne to Vale pass at Wrexham, only becoming involved in that move when Vale flicked the ball into his path,
Too often he is'nt in a position to receive a pass but there was a marked improvement in this regard on Saturday.
Bannan is the bench-mark for Madsen and hopefully he comes out on top on Saturday. |
You spend so much time analysing Madsen that you didn't realise it was Morrison who played the pass and not Dunne. Spend an equal amount of time looking at any other player and I'm sure there'd be an equal amount to nitpick on (hopefully not to the point of criticising how they assist a goal...) | | | |
| Madsen on 14:55 - Sep 24 with 2112 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Madsen on 13:45 - Sep 24 by nix |
The Watford game is a silly one to judge anyone long term based on that performance: a host of injuries, a thin squad, a DS CM as right back, a newly signed CB as LB, an out of form Sam Field and Steve Cook, an unfit/injured Chair, a sub-par Dembele, a new goalie and a new striker finding their feet in a new league and a new manager learning about his players and a new division. Nor the Coventry debacle.
As for Oxford away I'm happy that he produced the assist that led to a vital first goal.
I don't think the efforts he's making defensively are so universal: Dozzell and Iroegbunan were always going missing.
So what if he didn't show for the original ball against Wrexham, he got the assist FFS. He may not be a combination of Sam Field and Dembele quite yet but nor are Sam Field or Dembele. He is clearly working hard at his game, improving and contributing to the team.
Expecting him to be Barry Bannen is farcical. |
FFS?
Some goals, like Kone's strike do not merit awarding an Assist, similar to Burrells,
If anyone deserved the Assist it was Vale for showing, opening them up with the best pass I've seen this season or Conor Coady for what I think is the worst defending I've ever seen (turning his back on Kone, now that deserves a FFS)
12 months in and Madsens turned in his 1st 90 minute performance, let's hope that continues. | | | |
| Madsen on 15:05 - Sep 24 with 2050 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Madsen on 14:48 - Sep 24 by QPRSam |
You spend so much time analysing Madsen that you didn't realise it was Morrison who played the pass and not Dunne. Spend an equal amount of time looking at any other player and I'm sure there'd be an equal amount to nitpick on (hopefully not to the point of criticising how they assist a goal...) |
Similar to our guv'nor, I took to watching Madsen in games to understand why games were passing him by, I'm presuming this is ok with you?
The amount of times he was unavailable to receive a pass was quite eye opening and probably why Jimmy Dunne gave him both barrels as recently as Charlton at home,
That changed Saturday,
Sheffield Wednesday away is the next test to see how much he really wants the ball and to effect games, lets hope Saturdays improvement continues. | | | |
| Madsen on 15:08 - Sep 24 with 2046 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I called him a milksop once.
He's moving the right way to changing my mind. |  | | |
| Madsen on 15:28 - Sep 24 with 1972 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Madsen on 14:48 - Sep 24 by dmm |
Varane just needs to play the ball more quickly. It would improve his passing and help build momentum. |
It'll be really interesting watching this team develop over the next 6 months.
As they improve I think we'll see players who are not technically able to play with pace really start to struggle. | |
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| Madsen on 15:38 - Sep 24 with 1936 views | Northernr |
| Madsen on 15:28 - Sep 24 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
It'll be really interesting watching this team develop over the next 6 months.
As they improve I think we'll see players who are not technically able to play with pace really start to struggle. |
Music to my ears after spending five years writing about how bloody slow we are.
Just Burrell has made a huge difference. |  | | |
| Madsen on 16:56 - Sep 24 with 1771 views | Beckenhamhoop |
| Madsen on 15:38 - Sep 24 by Northernr |
Music to my ears after spending five years writing about how bloody slow we are.
Just Burrell has made a huge difference. |
Talking of pace, this is an interesting stat. I remember seeing footage from one of the very early training sessions and it was all about being more progressive, quicker. The team appear to have learnt quickly.
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