| Madsen 14:30 - Sep 20 with 47055 views | Lblock |
Been a harsh critic (deservedly so in my opinion) but credit where it’s due - good game today
Put himself about and won a few tackles but also some really intelligent passes and took up good positions when out of possession
Fair play
Close to MoM but that’s Saito for me |  |
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| Madsen on 17:22 - Sep 24 with 5024 views | VancouverHoop |
| Madsen on 16:56 - Sep 24 by Beckenhamhoop |
Talking of pace, this is an interesting stat. I remember seeing footage from one of the very early training sessions and it was all about being more progressive, quicker. The team appear to have learnt quickly.
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Interesting. It's clear we're faster moving forward than we have been for years, but I didn't realise it was that significant. |  | | |
| Madsen on 17:39 - Sep 24 with 4938 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Madsen on 15:38 - Sep 24 by Northernr |
Music to my ears after spending five years writing about how bloody slow we are.
Just Burrell has made a huge difference. |
100%, fairly sure Dunne didnt whack that long ball over the top to Burrell at Wrexham by chance,
Reckon Stephan knows Burrell keeps 2 defenders pinned in their own half and our Backline are told go long into that space and let Burrell bring us up the pitch. | | | |
| Madsen on 17:44 - Sep 24 with 4921 views | Northernr |
| Madsen on 17:39 - Sep 24 by ParkRoyalR |
100%, fairly sure Dunne didnt whack that long ball over the top to Burrell at Wrexham by chance,
Reckon Stephan knows Burrell keeps 2 defenders pinned in their own half and our Backline are told go long into that space and let Burrell bring us up the pitch. |
Robins said something Saturday along the lines of “they take a risk and leave players in positions that can hurt you in transition” in his post match on the Stoke site. Post Cov we look like the 4-4-2 strikers and wingers side he had at Rennes and Strasbourg that the French journos described to us in the summer. |  | | |
| Madsen on 18:15 - Sep 24 with 4803 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Madsen on 17:44 - Sep 24 by Northernr |
Robins said something Saturday along the lines of “they take a risk and leave players in positions that can hurt you in transition” in his post match on the Stoke site. Post Cov we look like the 4-4-2 strikers and wingers side he had at Rennes and Strasbourg that the French journos described to us in the summer. |
I read the analysis that was posted on another thread regarding Stephans time at Strasbourg, clearly written a few years back.
Substitute QPR for Strasbourg in the article and the similarities are pretty clear.
One question and I'd love to know your thoughts, and others, is do you think the players signed have been brought in specifically for how Stephan sets his teams up and how he wants them to play which is very direct, but not what we have been doing since Warburton.
It just seems to be a clear change in direction. | |
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| Madsen on 18:16 - Sep 24 with 4794 views | simmo |
| Madsen on 16:56 - Sep 24 by Beckenhamhoop |
Talking of pace, this is an interesting stat. I remember seeing footage from one of the very early training sessions and it was all about being more progressive, quicker. The team appear to have learnt quickly.
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I'd love to see the definition of Direct Speed. Also what the difference is between direct counter attacks and vertical transitions...
Even without the definitions, it will be interesting to see how we adapt or settle eventually. We're a clear outlier on that graph and it's caught teams cold playing in such a different way. You'd expect teams to adapt eventually, in which case I'd be really interested to see what JS does. Hard to think where to go that won't be seen as negative from 2 up top fast and direct! |  |
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| Madsen on 19:21 - Sep 24 with 4625 views | Northernr |
| Madsen on 18:15 - Sep 24 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I read the analysis that was posted on another thread regarding Stephans time at Strasbourg, clearly written a few years back.
Substitute QPR for Strasbourg in the article and the similarities are pretty clear.
One question and I'd love to know your thoughts, and others, is do you think the players signed have been brought in specifically for how Stephan sets his teams up and how he wants them to play which is very direct, but not what we have been doing since Warburton.
It just seems to be a clear change in direction. |
I did actually post that Strasbourg analysis piece in the article when we appointed him.
I think that Coventry result has changed the approach and he’s now doing what he’s done before.
Losing that game the way we did could turn out to be a blessing because it’s made us abandon several things that obviously weren’t working, and adopt a style the manager is much more comfortable with and much more the direction football is going. It took us until October/November to make such a switch last year, now we’ve done it after game 3/4.
Also, having proper strikers makes an amazing difference, and we didn’t have them/squad completed until end of August - ridiculous situation where you play the first month with the transfer window.
They seemed to learn important lessons from last summer with the recruitment this year, as we said in all the signing pieces - pace, physicality, durability, EFL experience. Then spent the first few games trying to make them do the BS slow build up, possession, goalkeeper as an outfielder stuff. Coventry has been a valuable bloodletting. If we’d lost 3-1, 4-1 they might have tried to ride it out. 7-1 you can’t deny, and they haven’t, which is good news because we’ve got a lot of potential playing like this with these players. | | | |
| Madsen on 19:30 - Sep 24 with 4589 views | nix |
| Madsen on 19:21 - Sep 24 by Northernr |
I did actually post that Strasbourg analysis piece in the article when we appointed him.
I think that Coventry result has changed the approach and he’s now doing what he’s done before.
Losing that game the way we did could turn out to be a blessing because it’s made us abandon several things that obviously weren’t working, and adopt a style the manager is much more comfortable with and much more the direction football is going. It took us until October/November to make such a switch last year, now we’ve done it after game 3/4.
Also, having proper strikers makes an amazing difference, and we didn’t have them/squad completed until end of August - ridiculous situation where you play the first month with the transfer window.
They seemed to learn important lessons from last summer with the recruitment this year, as we said in all the signing pieces - pace, physicality, durability, EFL experience. Then spent the first few games trying to make them do the BS slow build up, possession, goalkeeper as an outfielder stuff. Coventry has been a valuable bloodletting. If we’d lost 3-1, 4-1 they might have tried to ride it out. 7-1 you can’t deny, and they haven’t, which is good news because we’ve got a lot of potential playing like this with these players. |
I thought you or someone else probably had postd it before Clive. Just interesting to revisit now we know a bit more about him.
Couldn't agree more re the recruitment and playing style. The article also emphasised his adaptability which I hope will stop us becoming too predictable as with e.g. Warbs. |  | | |
| Madsen on 19:38 - Sep 24 with 4551 views | nix |
| Madsen on 18:16 - Sep 24 by simmo |
I'd love to see the definition of Direct Speed. Also what the difference is between direct counter attacks and vertical transitions...
Even without the definitions, it will be interesting to see how we adapt or settle eventually. We're a clear outlier on that graph and it's caught teams cold playing in such a different way. You'd expect teams to adapt eventually, in which case I'd be really interested to see what JS does. Hard to think where to go that won't be seen as negative from 2 up top fast and direct! |
I think it's to do with possession stats. We move the ball quickly but don't hold onto it. Ipswich move it quickly upfield but have more possession. Leicester has low possession but builds slowly. Coventry have high possession AND move it quickly. | | | |
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| Madsen on 20:19 - Sep 24 with 4455 views | QPROslo |
| Madsen on 19:30 - Sep 24 by nix |
I thought you or someone else probably had postd it before Clive. Just interesting to revisit now we know a bit more about him.
Couldn't agree more re the recruitment and playing style. The article also emphasised his adaptability which I hope will stop us becoming too predictable as with e.g. Warbs. |
That Strasbourg analysis had them playing 3 5 2 with the wing backs pushed well up. I don't think we've gone that formation yet with Stephan, perhaps because we don't have natural wing backs, but guess he could with training in it, with JCS back and using Saito and Smith as wing backs | | | |
| Madsen on 20:38 - Sep 24 with 4408 views | hantssi |
What on earth does Vertical Possessors mean?
It’s getting ridiculous for an old bloke like me, inverted full backs, xG, more of an 8 than a 6, false 9, what does it all mean? 😱😱😱 | | | |
| Madsen on 20:45 - Sep 24 with 4376 views | Northernr |
| Madsen on 20:38 - Sep 24 by hantssi |
What on earth does Vertical Possessors mean?
It’s getting ridiculous for an old bloke like me, inverted full backs, xG, more of an 8 than a 6, false 9, what does it all mean? 😱😱😱 |
It’s mostly internet types who never go to games trying to make themselves sound more intelligent and belittle those that still do. | | | |
| Madsen on 20:48 - Sep 24 with 4354 views | LongsufferingR |
| Madsen on 20:38 - Sep 24 by hantssi |
What on earth does Vertical Possessors mean?
It’s getting ridiculous for an old bloke like me, inverted full backs, xG, more of an 8 than a 6, false 9, what does it all mean? 😱😱😱 |
That's when you keep possession by heading the ball up in the air. |  | | |
| Madsen on 21:55 - Sep 24 with 4159 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Madsen on 20:38 - Sep 24 by hantssi |
What on earth does Vertical Possessors mean?
It’s getting ridiculous for an old bloke like me, inverted full backs, xG, more of an 8 than a 6, false 9, what does it all mean? 😱😱😱 |
Tall bailiffs.
Or is that vertical repossessors? |  | | |
| Madsen on 22:05 - Sep 24 with 4102 views | Lblock |
| Madsen on 19:21 - Sep 24 by Northernr |
I did actually post that Strasbourg analysis piece in the article when we appointed him.
I think that Coventry result has changed the approach and he’s now doing what he’s done before.
Losing that game the way we did could turn out to be a blessing because it’s made us abandon several things that obviously weren’t working, and adopt a style the manager is much more comfortable with and much more the direction football is going. It took us until October/November to make such a switch last year, now we’ve done it after game 3/4.
Also, having proper strikers makes an amazing difference, and we didn’t have them/squad completed until end of August - ridiculous situation where you play the first month with the transfer window.
They seemed to learn important lessons from last summer with the recruitment this year, as we said in all the signing pieces - pace, physicality, durability, EFL experience. Then spent the first few games trying to make them do the BS slow build up, possession, goalkeeper as an outfielder stuff. Coventry has been a valuable bloodletting. If we’d lost 3-1, 4-1 they might have tried to ride it out. 7-1 you can’t deny, and they haven’t, which is good news because we’ve got a lot of potential playing like this with these players. |
Begs the question(s)….. who is imposing this unsuitable playing style that has been shown consistently not to work with this squad and why do they keep returning to it ?????
On that graph thingy I don’t really understand it at all but I get the feeling the place where you want to be is bang in the middle. That shows you’re adaptable and Boro sort of bear that out. However a few others around that median line would debunk that with the HUGE caveat being we are six games into a season!!!!!! | |
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| Madsen on 22:07 - Sep 24 with 4093 views | LazyFan |
| Madsen on 20:45 - Sep 24 by Northernr |
It’s mostly internet types who never go to games trying to make themselves sound more intelligent and belittle those that still do. |
Yeah, you will never catch me as a keyboard warrior doing that :P |  |
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| Madsen on 22:09 - Sep 24 with 4082 views | gazza1 |
| Madsen on 17:39 - Sep 24 by ParkRoyalR |
100%, fairly sure Dunne didnt whack that long ball over the top to Burrell at Wrexham by chance,
Reckon Stephan knows Burrell keeps 2 defenders pinned in their own half and our Backline are told go long into that space and let Burrell bring us up the pitch. |
What an absolute load of 'tosh'!!!!! Some of the stuff you are posting is unbelievable!!!!
......Rangers leading 2-1 and under the cosh, defending with all they can, 15 minutes to go, Dunne in the centre of the penalty box area covering the CBs, he ball comes to meet the ball with his weak left foot, no time to look up, and you are telling posters that he did not just whack a long ball over the top........
Yea, right!!!.....something isn't right PRR, be careful mate!!! [Post edited 24 Sep 22:10]
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| Madsen on 22:11 - Sep 24 with 4068 views | Rsole |
| Madsen on 20:45 - Sep 24 by Northernr |
It’s mostly internet types who never go to games trying to make themselves sound more intelligent and belittle those that still do. |
Some people will always be 12s…. |  |
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| Madsen on 08:39 - Sep 25 with 3718 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Madsen on 22:09 - Sep 24 by gazza1 |
What an absolute load of 'tosh'!!!!! Some of the stuff you are posting is unbelievable!!!!
......Rangers leading 2-1 and under the cosh, defending with all they can, 15 minutes to go, Dunne in the centre of the penalty box area covering the CBs, he ball comes to meet the ball with his weak left foot, no time to look up, and you are telling posters that he did not just whack a long ball over the top........
Yea, right!!!.....something isn't right PRR, be careful mate!!! [Post edited 24 Sep 22:10]
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Gazza,
Re-read my post, re-read Northern's following post about Mark Robins comments,
I said I think Stephens has drilled our defenders at times to clear the ball long behind the opposition defence for Burrell to chase & press,
Hence as another poster noted the switching of Kone to the 10 when out of possession and he's back making important blocks on the edge of our penalty area whereas Burrell keeps the high line,
Dunne has two good feet and rather than clear the ball out of play for a throw in to buy time & reset, he seemed to deliberately play it over the top for Burrell to chase down, given his renowned pressing,
Fair play to the Manager playing to Burrells strengths and backs up the stats saying how quickly we transition the ball from back to front. | | | |
| Madsen on 12:13 - Sep 25 with 3496 views | nix |
| Madsen on 22:05 - Sep 24 by Lblock |
Begs the question(s)….. who is imposing this unsuitable playing style that has been shown consistently not to work with this squad and why do they keep returning to it ?????
On that graph thingy I don’t really understand it at all but I get the feeling the place where you want to be is bang in the middle. That shows you’re adaptable and Boro sort of bear that out. However a few others around that median line would debunk that with the HUGE caveat being we are six games into a season!!!!!! |
Maybe Marti did it because he likes it: he's seemingly playing in a similar style at Leicester. Maybe Stephan started out with it because players were coming into the squad and we didn't have much pace which is pretty vital for fast transition. Now we've got Burrell, Mbenge, Saito and Smyth it suits our playing style better.
I know that doesn't fit with the Nourry as puppeteer theory but Stephan seems to be quite confidently playing that way and the recruitment seems to have facilitated it. | | | |
| Madsen on 13:57 - Sep 25 with 3310 views | NorthantsHoop |
Against Stoke was impressed how Madsen was winning quite a few headers, in the past seemed to bottle it. He is also looking a lot more confident all round, progression all good, maybe now adjusting to the cut and thrust of Championship football. |  | | |
| Madsen on 16:33 - Sep 25 with 3101 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Madsen on 19:21 - Sep 24 by Northernr |
I did actually post that Strasbourg analysis piece in the article when we appointed him.
I think that Coventry result has changed the approach and he’s now doing what he’s done before.
Losing that game the way we did could turn out to be a blessing because it’s made us abandon several things that obviously weren’t working, and adopt a style the manager is much more comfortable with and much more the direction football is going. It took us until October/November to make such a switch last year, now we’ve done it after game 3/4.
Also, having proper strikers makes an amazing difference, and we didn’t have them/squad completed until end of August - ridiculous situation where you play the first month with the transfer window.
They seemed to learn important lessons from last summer with the recruitment this year, as we said in all the signing pieces - pace, physicality, durability, EFL experience. Then spent the first few games trying to make them do the BS slow build up, possession, goalkeeper as an outfielder stuff. Coventry has been a valuable bloodletting. If we’d lost 3-1, 4-1 they might have tried to ride it out. 7-1 you can’t deny, and they haven’t, which is good news because we’ve got a lot of potential playing like this with these players. |
I have to agree, that 7-1 mauling could be the best result we've had in years. Back to the 90s!
The Stoke game was the best football game I've seen for a long time with loads of pace. I looked at Creswell after 70 minutes and he looked shattered, it must be a nightmare for the opposition defenders being continually turned by the ball over the top, through the gaps or being beaten up by Kone. | |
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| Madsen on 09:53 - Oct 2 with 2033 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
That pass he played last night was sublime. We're really through the looking glass when we're desperate for him to come on.  | | | |
| Madsen on 11:14 - Oct 2 with 1841 views | QPunkR |
| Madsen on 09:53 - Oct 2 by Wegerles_Stairs |
That pass he played last night was sublime. We're really through the looking glass when we're desperate for him to come on. |
Have to agree with this. That pass was just weird and class at the same time. It really was like playing 4D chess - and he actually executed it well. Fair play |  |
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| Madsen on 14:58 - Oct 2 with 1592 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Madsen on 11:14 - Oct 2 by QPunkR |
Have to agree with this. That pass was just weird and class at the same time. It really was like playing 4D chess - and he actually executed it well. Fair play |
Decent cameo last night,
Seems our Back 5 with Varane's work-rate gives us the opportunity to play Madsen in a free role where he can get our Front 4 going,
Two CDMs last night without Varane & Madsen left us unable to break the lines,
Think everyone on seeing that line-up when walking to the ground was thinking heh wtf, we played to their strengths last night, never a good gameplan. | | | |
| Madsen on 15:06 - Oct 2 with 1567 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Madsen on 13:57 - Sep 25 by NorthantsHoop |
Against Stoke was impressed how Madsen was winning quite a few headers, in the past seemed to bottle it. He is also looking a lot more confident all round, progression all good, maybe now adjusting to the cut and thrust of Championship football. |
he's 6'4" isn't he? He should dominate midfields with his size.
Def a confidence player, lets hope the corner is turned. As he is the only CM we have whose first thought is a forward pass |  | | |
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