| Madsen 14:30 - Sep 20 with 19949 views | Lblock |
Been a harsh critic (deservedly so in my opinion) but credit where it’s due - good game today
Put himself about and won a few tackles but also some really intelligent passes and took up good positions when out of possession
Fair play
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| Madsen on 17:22 - Sep 24 with 1285 views | VancouverHoop |
| Madsen on 16:56 - Sep 24 by Beckenhamhoop |
Talking of pace, this is an interesting stat. I remember seeing footage from one of the very early training sessions and it was all about being more progressive, quicker. The team appear to have learnt quickly.
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Interesting. It's clear we're faster moving forward than we have been for years, but I didn't realise it was that significant. |  | | |
| Madsen on 17:39 - Sep 24 with 1203 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Madsen on 15:38 - Sep 24 by Northernr |
Music to my ears after spending five years writing about how bloody slow we are.
Just Burrell has made a huge difference. |
100%, fairly sure Dunne didnt whack that long ball over the top to Burrell at Wrexham by chance,
Reckon Stephan knows Burrell keeps 2 defenders pinned in their own half and our Backline are told go long into that space and let Burrell bring us up the pitch. | | | |
| Madsen on 17:44 - Sep 24 with 1182 views | Northernr |
| Madsen on 17:39 - Sep 24 by ParkRoyalR |
100%, fairly sure Dunne didnt whack that long ball over the top to Burrell at Wrexham by chance,
Reckon Stephan knows Burrell keeps 2 defenders pinned in their own half and our Backline are told go long into that space and let Burrell bring us up the pitch. |
Robins said something Saturday along the lines of “they take a risk and leave players in positions that can hurt you in transition” in his post match on the Stoke site. Post Cov we look like the 4-4-2 strikers and wingers side he had at Rennes and Strasbourg that the French journos described to us in the summer. |  | | |
| Madsen on 18:15 - Sep 24 with 1066 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Madsen on 17:44 - Sep 24 by Northernr |
Robins said something Saturday along the lines of “they take a risk and leave players in positions that can hurt you in transition” in his post match on the Stoke site. Post Cov we look like the 4-4-2 strikers and wingers side he had at Rennes and Strasbourg that the French journos described to us in the summer. |
I read the analysis that was posted on another thread regarding Stephans time at Strasbourg, clearly written a few years back.
Substitute QPR for Strasbourg in the article and the similarities are pretty clear.
One question and I'd love to know your thoughts, and others, is do you think the players signed have been brought in specifically for how Stephan sets his teams up and how he wants them to play which is very direct, but not what we have been doing since Warburton.
It just seems to be a clear change in direction. | |
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| Madsen on 18:16 - Sep 24 with 1057 views | simmo |
| Madsen on 16:56 - Sep 24 by Beckenhamhoop |
Talking of pace, this is an interesting stat. I remember seeing footage from one of the very early training sessions and it was all about being more progressive, quicker. The team appear to have learnt quickly.
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I'd love to see the definition of Direct Speed. Also what the difference is between direct counter attacks and vertical transitions...
Even without the definitions, it will be interesting to see how we adapt or settle eventually. We're a clear outlier on that graph and it's caught teams cold playing in such a different way. You'd expect teams to adapt eventually, in which case I'd be really interested to see what JS does. Hard to think where to go that won't be seen as negative from 2 up top fast and direct! |  |
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| Madsen on 19:21 - Sep 24 with 886 views | Northernr |
| Madsen on 18:15 - Sep 24 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I read the analysis that was posted on another thread regarding Stephans time at Strasbourg, clearly written a few years back.
Substitute QPR for Strasbourg in the article and the similarities are pretty clear.
One question and I'd love to know your thoughts, and others, is do you think the players signed have been brought in specifically for how Stephan sets his teams up and how he wants them to play which is very direct, but not what we have been doing since Warburton.
It just seems to be a clear change in direction. |
I did actually post that Strasbourg analysis piece in the article when we appointed him.
I think that Coventry result has changed the approach and he’s now doing what he’s done before.
Losing that game the way we did could turn out to be a blessing because it’s made us abandon several things that obviously weren’t working, and adopt a style the manager is much more comfortable with and much more the direction football is going. It took us until October/November to make such a switch last year, now we’ve done it after game 3/4.
Also, having proper strikers makes an amazing difference, and we didn’t have them/squad completed until end of August - ridiculous situation where you play the first month with the transfer window.
They seemed to learn important lessons from last summer with the recruitment this year, as we said in all the signing pieces - pace, physicality, durability, EFL experience. Then spent the first few games trying to make them do the BS slow build up, possession, goalkeeper as an outfielder stuff. Coventry has been a valuable bloodletting. If we’d lost 3-1, 4-1 they might have tried to ride it out. 7-1 you can’t deny, and they haven’t, which is good news because we’ve got a lot of potential playing like this with these players. | | | |
| Madsen on 19:30 - Sep 24 with 850 views | nix |
| Madsen on 19:21 - Sep 24 by Northernr |
I did actually post that Strasbourg analysis piece in the article when we appointed him.
I think that Coventry result has changed the approach and he’s now doing what he’s done before.
Losing that game the way we did could turn out to be a blessing because it’s made us abandon several things that obviously weren’t working, and adopt a style the manager is much more comfortable with and much more the direction football is going. It took us until October/November to make such a switch last year, now we’ve done it after game 3/4.
Also, having proper strikers makes an amazing difference, and we didn’t have them/squad completed until end of August - ridiculous situation where you play the first month with the transfer window.
They seemed to learn important lessons from last summer with the recruitment this year, as we said in all the signing pieces - pace, physicality, durability, EFL experience. Then spent the first few games trying to make them do the BS slow build up, possession, goalkeeper as an outfielder stuff. Coventry has been a valuable bloodletting. If we’d lost 3-1, 4-1 they might have tried to ride it out. 7-1 you can’t deny, and they haven’t, which is good news because we’ve got a lot of potential playing like this with these players. |
I thought you or someone else probably had postd it before Clive. Just interesting to revisit now we know a bit more about him.
Couldn't agree more re the recruitment and playing style. The article also emphasised his adaptability which I hope will stop us becoming too predictable as with e.g. Warbs. |  | | |
| Madsen on 19:38 - Sep 24 with 812 views | nix |
| Madsen on 18:16 - Sep 24 by simmo |
I'd love to see the definition of Direct Speed. Also what the difference is between direct counter attacks and vertical transitions...
Even without the definitions, it will be interesting to see how we adapt or settle eventually. We're a clear outlier on that graph and it's caught teams cold playing in such a different way. You'd expect teams to adapt eventually, in which case I'd be really interested to see what JS does. Hard to think where to go that won't be seen as negative from 2 up top fast and direct! |
I think it's to do with possession stats. We move the ball quickly but don't hold onto it. Ipswich move it quickly upfield but have more possession. Leicester has low possession but builds slowly. Coventry have high possession AND move it quickly. | | | |
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| Madsen on 20:19 - Sep 24 with 716 views | QPROslo |
| Madsen on 19:30 - Sep 24 by nix |
I thought you or someone else probably had postd it before Clive. Just interesting to revisit now we know a bit more about him.
Couldn't agree more re the recruitment and playing style. The article also emphasised his adaptability which I hope will stop us becoming too predictable as with e.g. Warbs. |
That Strasbourg analysis had them playing 3 5 2 with the wing backs pushed well up. I don't think we've gone that formation yet with Stephan, perhaps because we don't have natural wing backs, but guess he could with training in it, with JCS back and using Saito and Smith as wing backs | | | |
| Madsen on 20:38 - Sep 24 with 669 views | hantssi |
What on earth does Vertical Possessors mean?
It’s getting ridiculous for an old bloke like me, inverted full backs, xG, more of an 8 than a 6, false 9, what does it all mean? 😱😱😱 | | | |
| Madsen on 20:45 - Sep 24 with 637 views | Northernr |
| Madsen on 20:38 - Sep 24 by hantssi |
What on earth does Vertical Possessors mean?
It’s getting ridiculous for an old bloke like me, inverted full backs, xG, more of an 8 than a 6, false 9, what does it all mean? 😱😱😱 |
It’s mostly internet types who never go to games trying to make themselves sound more intelligent and belittle those that still do. | | | |
| Madsen on 20:48 - Sep 24 with 618 views | LongsufferingR |
| Madsen on 20:38 - Sep 24 by hantssi |
What on earth does Vertical Possessors mean?
It’s getting ridiculous for an old bloke like me, inverted full backs, xG, more of an 8 than a 6, false 9, what does it all mean? 😱😱😱 |
That's when you keep possession by heading the ball up in the air. |  | | |
| Madsen on 21:55 - Sep 24 with 420 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Madsen on 20:38 - Sep 24 by hantssi |
What on earth does Vertical Possessors mean?
It’s getting ridiculous for an old bloke like me, inverted full backs, xG, more of an 8 than a 6, false 9, what does it all mean? 😱😱😱 |
Tall bailiffs.
Or is that vertical repossessors? |  | | |
| Madsen on 22:05 - Sep 24 with 364 views | Lblock |
| Madsen on 19:21 - Sep 24 by Northernr |
I did actually post that Strasbourg analysis piece in the article when we appointed him.
I think that Coventry result has changed the approach and he’s now doing what he’s done before.
Losing that game the way we did could turn out to be a blessing because it’s made us abandon several things that obviously weren’t working, and adopt a style the manager is much more comfortable with and much more the direction football is going. It took us until October/November to make such a switch last year, now we’ve done it after game 3/4.
Also, having proper strikers makes an amazing difference, and we didn’t have them/squad completed until end of August - ridiculous situation where you play the first month with the transfer window.
They seemed to learn important lessons from last summer with the recruitment this year, as we said in all the signing pieces - pace, physicality, durability, EFL experience. Then spent the first few games trying to make them do the BS slow build up, possession, goalkeeper as an outfielder stuff. Coventry has been a valuable bloodletting. If we’d lost 3-1, 4-1 they might have tried to ride it out. 7-1 you can’t deny, and they haven’t, which is good news because we’ve got a lot of potential playing like this with these players. |
Begs the question(s)….. who is imposing this unsuitable playing style that has been shown consistently not to work with this squad and why do they keep returning to it ?????
On that graph thingy I don’t really understand it at all but I get the feeling the place where you want to be is bang in the middle. That shows you’re adaptable and Boro sort of bear that out. However a few others around that median line would debunk that with the HUGE caveat being we are six games into a season!!!!!! | |
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| Madsen on 22:07 - Sep 24 with 358 views | LazyFan |
| Madsen on 20:45 - Sep 24 by Northernr |
It’s mostly internet types who never go to games trying to make themselves sound more intelligent and belittle those that still do. |
Yeah, you will never catch me as a keyboard warrior doing that :P |  |
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| Madsen on 22:09 - Sep 24 with 347 views | gazza1 |
| Madsen on 17:39 - Sep 24 by ParkRoyalR |
100%, fairly sure Dunne didnt whack that long ball over the top to Burrell at Wrexham by chance,
Reckon Stephan knows Burrell keeps 2 defenders pinned in their own half and our Backline are told go long into that space and let Burrell bring us up the pitch. |
What an absolute load of 'tosh'!!!!! Some of the stuff you are posting is unbelievable!!!!
......Rangers leading 2-1 and under the cosh, defending with all they can, 15 minutes to go, Dunne in the centre of the penalty box area covering the CBs, he ball comes to meet the ball with his weak left foot, no time to look up, and you are telling posters that he did not just whack a long ball over the top........
Yea, right!!!.....something isn't right PRR, be careful mate!!! [Post edited 24 Sep 22:10]
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| Madsen on 22:11 - Sep 24 with 333 views | Rsole |
| Madsen on 20:45 - Sep 24 by Northernr |
It’s mostly internet types who never go to games trying to make themselves sound more intelligent and belittle those that still do. |
Some people will always be 12s…. |  |
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