| Who misses out - best team v best plan 00:49 - Sep 23 with 2143 views | simmo |
As we've said, when the likes of Chair, Poku and JCS are back - what will be the plan with squad selection? More specifically how will the board feel if, as you might expect given the players recent performances in a new way of playing, JS decides to consistently leave out some of the clubs favoured 'projects'?
I found it interesting that JS made a point this week to mention why he felt he had to leave out Esq, and the same last week about Kolli not getting on the pitch against Wrexham. If you look at the current squad, you might suggest that Esq, Kolli, and maybe even starboy Morgan are the most in danger of losing their bench spots if we ever manage to get a majority available.
Of course it's a long old season and we'll likely lose others to injuries, suspensions, curses or whatever, but it does make me wonder how a board adamant to give their young pups game time come what may - and posting videos of guards of honour for graduates like Morgan - would feel about a manager not picking them at all.
That Cov result feels a little to me like a turning point for JS rather than the board, and we've seen how it can be for those deviating or not willing to follow the plan...
Anyway just some evening musings. Carry on 🙂 |  |
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| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 01:45 - Sep 23 with 2016 views | HAYESBOY |
I would say with Chair, Poku and JCS coming back.
It would be Morgan, Koli and Cook.
This is why IMO, I thought Hayden was unnecessary.
However we will never go a season without further injuries so they will be needed at some point. Its going to be hard to keep everyone happy. |  |
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| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 04:15 - Sep 23 with 1919 views | SydneyRs |
You'd only expect to see JCS and back in the same sentence if it was a new injury he's picked up. |  | | |
| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 06:46 - Sep 23 with 1782 views | dmm |
At this point in time it's hard to see any reason to change the starting 11. But, a couple of losses, a suspension (yes Mbengue I'm looking at you), and an injury or two and we'll soon be seeing adaptations.
And we've got a good few 3 game weeks coming our way soon, starting next week.
After goodness knows how long, it feels like we have a strong squad. It's all good. |  | | |
| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 07:56 - Sep 23 with 1667 views | daveB |
I think Poku will come back in either for Vale or with Vale moving into a number 10 position going back to how we started the season with one up front.
I can't see how Morgan or Kolli get into the side at the moment they are quite far down the pecking order at the moment which isn't great for them
Chair is the one most in danger, I can see him being sold in January, he'll need to really adapt his game and move the ball quicker to have a chance of playing regularly |  | | |
| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 08:26 - Sep 23 with 1587 views | OakR |
I think JS will play the best team each time, which will be part of the plan, so I don't think they contradict themselves.
We are all speculating to an extent, but the ultimate plan will be to be promoted. The board have looked at that, and I think, said, let's improve the squad year on year, bring in younger players, try to get some in the team, sell for profit, improve again etc etc. I think that is wht is happening, I don't think they care whether the players are from the Dev Squad or bought in young.
In terms of the team, I agree with DavB I think Chair might find it hard to get back into the team at this rate, but I think he will and he will have so many other options to ply with and a new coach I think he could also be outstanding in this set-up - I think he will get loads of assists and more goals as there will be more space due to the other players around him. | |
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| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 08:53 - Sep 23 with 1521 views | nix |
I would have thought the Board would be over the moon to have this 'problem'. Must be a relief to be actually winning matches with a balanced team and options on the bench in all positions. Amit certainly looked pretty happy on Saturday.
I don't think they'll be bothered which players are their saleable assets either. Kone and Vale are only 22 themselves, so why would anyone care if they rather than e.g. Kolli got sold for ÂŁ5-10 million? Surely the plan is to give Kolli, Morgan, Esquerdinha etc. minutes in a generally settled and balanced team over the course of the season rather than having to throw them in in desperation as we've had to in the past. We'll definitely have to rotate once we have three game weeks (yes I know but we all know what it means). Also injuries/fatigue are inevitable.
Stephan needed some credibility with the fans and points on the board. I can understand him wanting to see out that win on Saturday. Hopefully we'll have matches where we're 3-0 up with 20 minutes to play where he's more confident to bring on other players. But we're six matches in and the distance between 6th and 16th is only three points - basically a reverse of Saturday's result. He needs some breathing space between us and the bottom of the table. It also puts to bed the ludicrous - IMHO - theory that they don't care about results.
As for the Marti was forced out because he didn't toe the line theory, I've been told by someone in the know that Marti was hawking himself around other clubs the previous summer and it was when he repeated this this season the Board and Nourry lost patience. This makes far more sense to me given his past record: I think 5 clubs in 12 years; the fact he 'soft landed' in a bigger club with higher profile players; and because I don't think he'd have uprooted his family to stave off relegation from the Championship ad nauseum. Of course he still wanted the pay off plus he had that pesky release clause so he didn't want to openly ask for permission to speak to other clubs.And it played out pretty well for him. But I bet he tells the Leicester fans he loves them too but would leave like a shot if Man U came a-calling. Look I like Marti and he twice got us out of the sh^t, the first time when we were a basket case so I'll always be fond of him for that but I don't buy the wronged Bambi schtick either. [Post edited 23 Sep 9:36]
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| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 09:20 - Sep 23 with 1413 views | ChrisNW6 |
Kolli and Morgan got more games last season out of necessity and I don't expect them to get near those numbers this season. But it's not like they have been replaced by old unsellable players. One of them might need to go out on loan to get games. Might be a season to early for Esq and the RND loan might become permanent. Chair, Dembele and Poku will be useful off the bench and might force their way back into the starting XI, depending on form/injuries. We desperately need a fit JCS, but this can't be relied on and Cook as back up worries me.
I hope the board see the original playing style, we were trying to adopt throughout the club, needs changing. I like the club having an identity and hiring coaches who support this. There will be times to play out from the back and control the game but its to easy for clubs to exploit us. Nourry did hint, although begrudgingly, the project could be adapted from the Plan A. | | | |
| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 09:46 - Sep 23 with 1292 views | sdm1508 |
I really don't think there will be a starting 11 anymore that play week in and week out. I think there will be a handful of players that start every week but then the rest of the team is made up of players based on who we are playing. Kone starts every week and for the moment Burrell does too. However, I think once Poku is fit, he might come in for Burrell. Poku is quick too and I think him and Kone will build a partnership. It will also be good to have Burrell's pace as an option off the bench. I think at the back Mbengue starts most weeks, when he doesn't have a suspension. His pace will allow us to push up more. I can't remember what sort of pace JCS has but I know he always had good positional sense which helped. Despite that I don't see him getting back in as an automatic currently.
Chair is an interesting one. In all his time at the club he has never really played with a proper centre forward, apart from Austin's second spell. Also, he has always been the 'main man' who felt he had to do everything, which I think contributed to him holding the ball up etc. The talent he has, I would love to see him in this team and to see if he can adapt his game to what JS wants. Sadly, although in a good way I don't think we are dependent on him now and if he is a square peg in a round hole, then we cash in to improve the squad. What this does allow though, is to bring him back in slowly. No rushing back because we need him, slowly build up his fitness and strength, so he doesn't break down again. | | | |
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| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 09:51 - Sep 23 with 1260 views | E17hoop |
| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 09:46 - Sep 23 by sdm1508 |
I really don't think there will be a starting 11 anymore that play week in and week out. I think there will be a handful of players that start every week but then the rest of the team is made up of players based on who we are playing. Kone starts every week and for the moment Burrell does too. However, I think once Poku is fit, he might come in for Burrell. Poku is quick too and I think him and Kone will build a partnership. It will also be good to have Burrell's pace as an option off the bench. I think at the back Mbengue starts most weeks, when he doesn't have a suspension. His pace will allow us to push up more. I can't remember what sort of pace JCS has but I know he always had good positional sense which helped. Despite that I don't see him getting back in as an automatic currently.
Chair is an interesting one. In all his time at the club he has never really played with a proper centre forward, apart from Austin's second spell. Also, he has always been the 'main man' who felt he had to do everything, which I think contributed to him holding the ball up etc. The talent he has, I would love to see him in this team and to see if he can adapt his game to what JS wants. Sadly, although in a good way I don't think we are dependent on him now and if he is a square peg in a round hole, then we cash in to improve the squad. What this does allow though, is to bring him back in slowly. No rushing back because we need him, slowly build up his fitness and strength, so he doesn't break down again. |
I really don't think there will be a starting 11 anymore that play week in and week out. I think there will be a handful of players that start every week but then the rest of the team is made up of players based on who we are playing.
Exactly this - pick the team to beat the opposition. Our team the previous game might not be the team for the next game. |  |
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| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 10:02 - Sep 23 with 1225 views | ChrisNW6 |
| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 09:51 - Sep 23 by E17hoop |
I really don't think there will be a starting 11 anymore that play week in and week out. I think there will be a handful of players that start every week but then the rest of the team is made up of players based on who we are playing.
Exactly this - pick the team to beat the opposition. Our team the previous game might not be the team for the next game. |
I don't I have ever seen a really successful team with multiple changes and rotation each game based on the opposition, especially in the Championship. The only time we seem to go on winning runs is due a settled team which semi picks itself. I do agree we will need to see some changes but no more the 2/3 per match. | | | |
| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 10:07 - Sep 23 with 1209 views | terryb |
Which three players will be left out of the squad? My guess would be Cook & Field are most at risk, with either Smyth or Dembele being possibilities. That is providing that Chair, Poku & JCS all make the squad!
As to changes in the starting line up, I have no idea but will give a few suggestions which might look preposterous! JCS for Mbengue, Chair for Madsen & Poku for Vale or Burrell (Vale playing just behind Kone as he did against Charlton).
Of course, I don't see all of these happening (if any of them) & I doubt that they will be rushed back. When was the last decade that there would be a debate about who would be left out of the match squad? It's normally been about who will we name to fulfil the numbers! | | | |
| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 10:13 - Sep 23 with 1174 views | JamesB1979 |
The good thing for these players that are not in the first team is that if they perform well when given the chance, they will play. Vale and Burrell were not in the first team at the start but now are regular starters. The competition and Stephan (or is it Nourry…sorry couldn’t resist) willingness to give players in form the chance, can only be good for the squad. That said, it’s up to the individuals to react.
With a fully fit JCS, then Cook would have to come out of the squad. Imagine saying this 9 months ago.
I think Morgan will stay due his versatility.
So 2 from Chair, Dembele, Smyth, Kolli, Poku will come out. | | | |
| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 11:22 - Sep 23 with 1056 views | sdm1508 |
| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 10:02 - Sep 23 by ChrisNW6 |
I don't I have ever seen a really successful team with multiple changes and rotation each game based on the opposition, especially in the Championship. The only time we seem to go on winning runs is due a settled team which semi picks itself. I do agree we will need to see some changes but no more the 2/3 per match. |
I think there will be a small core group of players that play most of the games, but then some players will be picked based on the opposition. We actually have some depth now so hopefully that will keep people on their toes. I think this can work if you have a clear understanding of what is required of you in your role, patterns of play etc. I get the feeling under JS the players know what their role is on a given day. | | | |
| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 11:34 - Sep 23 with 1022 views | hantssi |
| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 09:51 - Sep 23 by E17hoop |
I really don't think there will be a starting 11 anymore that play week in and week out. I think there will be a handful of players that start every week but then the rest of the team is made up of players based on who we are playing.
Exactly this - pick the team to beat the opposition. Our team the previous game might not be the team for the next game. |
Surely we should let the opposition worry about us not the other way round?
Pick the best available players I each position every game, simple I know but remember what Bill Shankly once said when asked about the team for the next game, “same as last season”! | | | |
| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 12:18 - Sep 23 with 937 views | nick_hammersmith |
I'm sorry but I don't see Chair fitting into this team at all...
First half against Stoke we were snappy. winning the ball and quickly moving it on.
Chairs skill is to bring the ball forward, slow the game down and look for gaps, its almost the opposite.
Still, that might just be a reflection on the previous coaches, like Warbs and Marti, maybe Illias can go direct as well. Adel used to be able to pick out Helguson didn't he? |  | | |
| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 12:46 - Sep 23 with 856 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 12:18 - Sep 23 by nick_hammersmith |
I'm sorry but I don't see Chair fitting into this team at all...
First half against Stoke we were snappy. winning the ball and quickly moving it on.
Chairs skill is to bring the ball forward, slow the game down and look for gaps, its almost the opposite.
Still, that might just be a reflection on the previous coaches, like Warbs and Marti, maybe Illias can go direct as well. Adel used to be able to pick out Helguson didn't he? |
Charlton at home, Vale played very high up the pitch in the 10 role.
Chair could easily play the Burrell role as he has the energy to press allowing Kone to take a breather.
It's pretty clear JS doesn't play a 10 behind the main striker, rather next to him. Chair would slot straight in. | |
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| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 13:11 - Sep 23 with 780 views | kensalriser |
I'm looking forward to seeing Chair play in a team with better, faster players.
I've always thought that a lot of what people see as his fault, holding on to the ball, is because he was about the only player in the team who could hold on to the ball (a term that when applied to Kevin Gallen was always a compliment not a pejorative) and because his teammates were not adept enough to get into useful positions. Willock was an exception to this and the interchange between them often swift and incisive. |  |
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| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 13:33 - Sep 23 with 713 views | JimmyR |
| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 04:15 - Sep 23 by SydneyRs |
You'd only expect to see JCS and back in the same sentence if it was a new injury he's picked up. |
Yeah I don’t think he is coming back and if he does he’ll be injured again almost immediately.
Probs just best to count him as permanently out | | | |
| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 13:51 - Sep 23 with 653 views | JimmyR |
| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 13:11 - Sep 23 by kensalriser |
I'm looking forward to seeing Chair play in a team with better, faster players.
I've always thought that a lot of what people see as his fault, holding on to the ball, is because he was about the only player in the team who could hold on to the ball (a term that when applied to Kevin Gallen was always a compliment not a pejorative) and because his teammates were not adept enough to get into useful positions. Willock was an exception to this and the interchange between them often swift and incisive. |
100% agree, he’s not passing because there’s no pass on. He may as well hold on/shoot/try and beat another man vs passing it to someone offside/marked or who would lose it | | | |
| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 14:16 - Sep 23 with 582 views | dm97 |
| Who misses out - best team v best plan on 08:53 - Sep 23 by nix |
I would have thought the Board would be over the moon to have this 'problem'. Must be a relief to be actually winning matches with a balanced team and options on the bench in all positions. Amit certainly looked pretty happy on Saturday.
I don't think they'll be bothered which players are their saleable assets either. Kone and Vale are only 22 themselves, so why would anyone care if they rather than e.g. Kolli got sold for ÂŁ5-10 million? Surely the plan is to give Kolli, Morgan, Esquerdinha etc. minutes in a generally settled and balanced team over the course of the season rather than having to throw them in in desperation as we've had to in the past. We'll definitely have to rotate once we have three game weeks (yes I know but we all know what it means). Also injuries/fatigue are inevitable.
Stephan needed some credibility with the fans and points on the board. I can understand him wanting to see out that win on Saturday. Hopefully we'll have matches where we're 3-0 up with 20 minutes to play where he's more confident to bring on other players. But we're six matches in and the distance between 6th and 16th is only three points - basically a reverse of Saturday's result. He needs some breathing space between us and the bottom of the table. It also puts to bed the ludicrous - IMHO - theory that they don't care about results.
As for the Marti was forced out because he didn't toe the line theory, I've been told by someone in the know that Marti was hawking himself around other clubs the previous summer and it was when he repeated this this season the Board and Nourry lost patience. This makes far more sense to me given his past record: I think 5 clubs in 12 years; the fact he 'soft landed' in a bigger club with higher profile players; and because I don't think he'd have uprooted his family to stave off relegation from the Championship ad nauseum. Of course he still wanted the pay off plus he had that pesky release clause so he didn't want to openly ask for permission to speak to other clubs.And it played out pretty well for him. But I bet he tells the Leicester fans he loves them too but would leave like a shot if Man U came a-calling. Look I like Marti and he twice got us out of the sh^t, the first time when we were a basket case so I'll always be fond of him for that but I don't buy the wronged Bambi schtick either. [Post edited 23 Sep 9:36]
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Totally agree with Nix’s second paragraph here. It’s not up to the board to decide who the projects / sellable assets are. Nourry can buy the players (and I think on the whole he has done a good job on recruitment) but he can’t tell you who is going to be worth the most money in a year or two. That’s for the coach and the market to decide. If he/the board is involved to that degree it’s 4 year plan, banter era stuff. Living in hope it isn’t. |  | | |
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