| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread 20:10 - Sep 29 with 43697 views | Spaceman_P |
Although dismayed at myself for the draw on Saturday I blame the fact I wore the pink shirt.
True to forum rules a loss means adios.
So I've stretched a bit and ran it off.
QPR 2 Oxford 1
Kone and Saito.
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| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 23:02 - Oct 1 with 2036 views | QPROslo |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 22:19 - Oct 1 by cpgerber |
On the upside, Cook looked just fine and Mbengue out suspended shouldn't be much of an issue at Bristol, although we might miss his pace. |
Against Sinclair yeh |  | | |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 23:06 - Oct 1 with 1954 views | stainrods_elbow |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 22:54 - Oct 1 by strikerace |
I agreed with rotating the squad with 3 matches this week. Really expected the backups to do better out there today though.
Oh well, as others have said, 5 in a row with a loss and near the top with 12 points. It could be a lot worse for sure.
Besides, if we continue drawing every match we will be clear with 52 pts |
I bet you're a lot of bubbly positivity at the post-match drink-up. Ever heard of dreaming harder? |  |
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| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 23:09 - Oct 1 with 1949 views | nadera78 |
Rubbish from start to finish, as others have said.
Dembele continues to look like he's never played organised football in his life. Bet he's great in a skills session but has absolutely no idea what he should be doing in a game. Hayden was completely off the pace, Field was much the better of the two (although that doesn't say much tbh) and I thought it was odd that he was taken off first. Dunne continues to look out of form. Vale was completely negated by two pacey full back. As for Nardi, well, how about we stop pissing around with the ball at the back? | | | |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 23:16 - Oct 1 with 1866 views | rbee |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 21:56 - Oct 1 by HAYESBOY |
What a wasted opportunity. Put your best side out from the start FFS.
That's really annoyed me. Hate tinkering, especially with an unbeaten side. |
I remember Julien talking about this during one of his first club interviews, do you go for it from the start or make substitutions later in the game to try and win the match.
Julien obviously prefers the later substitutions but I am with Hayes, start the game with your best team with a view to defending a lead as the game comes to an end rather than risk having to be chasing the game.
To be honest I thought the starting eleven would be good enough to win the game but with hindsight playing both Hayden and Field from the start was one change too many. Playing one of them alongside Vale could have worked better. |  | | |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 23:17 - Oct 1 with 1855 views | Hooparoo |
Boils my piss to see midfielders take the ball on the half turn then just turn back towards our goal. Field did it every time and so did Varane when he came on. Frustrating šµāš« |  |
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| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 23:18 - Oct 1 with 1848 views | Watford_Ranger |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 23:09 - Oct 1 by nadera78 |
Rubbish from start to finish, as others have said.
Dembele continues to look like he's never played organised football in his life. Bet he's great in a skills session but has absolutely no idea what he should be doing in a game. Hayden was completely off the pace, Field was much the better of the two (although that doesn't say much tbh) and I thought it was odd that he was taken off first. Dunne continues to look out of form. Vale was completely negated by two pacey full back. As for Nardi, well, how about we stop pissing around with the ball at the back? |
Dembele is a very odd player. Never really been a fan but he showed great strength for that goal against Preston then mostly plays like today where a small child could brush him off the ball. Feel with the team selected it was a big opportunity for him to be the key player when we had the ball and he did next to nothing.
The team selection was very odd and itās two points burned again but one to forget and accept the manager still has to get to know what some of these guys are about | | | |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 23:35 - Oct 1 with 1739 views | Northernr |
Dembeleās a complete luxury atm. His defence is so woeful you have to pick another Field/Hayden type just to compensate. Is he good enough for that? His brother came on and basically did exactly the same thing for them. Itās not 6 a side, itās not cage football, itās not #EA26.
Heās too little. |  | | |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 23:44 - Oct 1 with 1675 views | VancouverHoop |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 23:35 - Oct 1 by Northernr |
Dembeleās a complete luxury atm. His defence is so woeful you have to pick another Field/Hayden type just to compensate. Is he good enough for that? His brother came on and basically did exactly the same thing for them. Itās not 6 a side, itās not cage football, itās not #EA26.
Heās too little. |
Is he littler than Saito, Chair, or Smyth? | | | |
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| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 23:48 - Oct 1 with 1643 views | nadera78 |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 23:44 - Oct 1 by VancouverHoop |
Is he littler than Saito, Chair, or Smyth? |
Yes. And he plays like it. | | | |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 23:55 - Oct 1 with 1610 views | Watford_Ranger |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 23:44 - Oct 1 by VancouverHoop |
Is he littler than Saito, Chair, or Smyth? |
Heās the only one who consistently punches below his weight. | | | |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 00:43 - Oct 2 with 1472 views | Sharpediver |
It was frustrating but I quite enjoyed it. Oxford were much better opponents than I remember from last year.
I was impressed with Vale, Dembele, Mbengue. Kone too with some of his touches in the first half. Central midfield is our major weakness. We need a Colback type payer in there to provide a bit of steel down our spine.
It's a very young side and I would be tempted to drop the older players. Frey especially. There's no future there.
I was also very impressed with some last ditch defending we did at times. Players literally putting their heads on the line to keep the ball out. That kind of thing tells you a lot.
Mrs Bletherhasset probably hard the last say kicking us out of the Penrith tea rooms. But we're coming back and gonna buy this place.
Keep the faith [Post edited 2 Oct 0:47]
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| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 00:44 - Oct 2 with 1469 views | mart_Goblin |
My fear when the team was announced that it was too many changes . I expected changes but not that many . So as well as players in an unfamiliar line up , some not played for weeks , some not match fit in regards to being slightly rusty , the personnel was all wrong . It looked a bad mix of the squad and it proved to be so.
I know that Kone was great for 2 or 3 games but now the adrenaline has settled , I think we are now seeing the real Kone. Thatās not a criticism.
He is making a big step up and he has an awful lot to learn . He has potential to be a very good player but it will take time .
He isnāt the world beater some were suggesting , not yet anyway .
To add to that , playing Frey alongside him canāt be something we try to do regularly.
They are both too similar .
I thought the decision to leave Morrison out was odd.
Easy in hindsight , but I said before the game that if Mbengue gets booked (which of course he did) it puts an awful lot of pressure on Cook who is managing a nasty injury, to all of a sudden play 2 games in 4 days .
Poor choices in my opinion .
The midfield is another puzzle that needs more work solving .
StĆ©phan doesnāt seem that enamoured with Varane and you can see why at times .
Butā¦.Madsen works much better with Varane rather than Hayden .
Strange goings on with Madsens entrance that Hayden decided to just confine himself to the centre circle and let Madsen charge around . They were miles apart and it meant Madsen couldnāt get on the ball . He improved ten fold when Varane came on as Varane played much closer to Madsen and gave him support .
Field ā¦I just donāt know .
Saw Field doing exactly what some have criticised Madsen for recently ..and thatās stand next to an opponent and point at other Rās players to where the ball should be played . How many times did Jimmy have the ball in the first half and was demanding his midfield 2 show for him ā¦but nothing .
Not many did themselves a great deal of good tonight , but not really too much blame on the players . A bit of course . Oxford were utter guff and we should have enough quality to expect someone to create something .
But they werenāt helped by the odd team selection and set up .
Way too narrow . Way too one dimensional and maybe most worrying of all way too sulky and argumentative with each other tonight .
Letās hope the head coach and the players learned a lot from tonight .
The main one being not to panic about a ā3 game weekā and just win the game you are playing . Worry about Saturday after the game tonight . I think the coaching staff had 1 eye on Saturday and in my opinion thatās not right . Play the strongest team because momentum has now been lost .
Not so much in results but certainly how we are playing . |  | | |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 00:48 - Oct 2 with 1442 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 00:44 - Oct 2 by mart_Goblin |
My fear when the team was announced that it was too many changes . I expected changes but not that many . So as well as players in an unfamiliar line up , some not played for weeks , some not match fit in regards to being slightly rusty , the personnel was all wrong . It looked a bad mix of the squad and it proved to be so.
I know that Kone was great for 2 or 3 games but now the adrenaline has settled , I think we are now seeing the real Kone. Thatās not a criticism.
He is making a big step up and he has an awful lot to learn . He has potential to be a very good player but it will take time .
He isnāt the world beater some were suggesting , not yet anyway .
To add to that , playing Frey alongside him canāt be something we try to do regularly.
They are both too similar .
I thought the decision to leave Morrison out was odd.
Easy in hindsight , but I said before the game that if Mbengue gets booked (which of course he did) it puts an awful lot of pressure on Cook who is managing a nasty injury, to all of a sudden play 2 games in 4 days .
Poor choices in my opinion .
The midfield is another puzzle that needs more work solving .
StĆ©phan doesnāt seem that enamoured with Varane and you can see why at times .
Butā¦.Madsen works much better with Varane rather than Hayden .
Strange goings on with Madsens entrance that Hayden decided to just confine himself to the centre circle and let Madsen charge around . They were miles apart and it meant Madsen couldnāt get on the ball . He improved ten fold when Varane came on as Varane played much closer to Madsen and gave him support .
Field ā¦I just donāt know .
Saw Field doing exactly what some have criticised Madsen for recently ..and thatās stand next to an opponent and point at other Rās players to where the ball should be played . How many times did Jimmy have the ball in the first half and was demanding his midfield 2 show for him ā¦but nothing .
Not many did themselves a great deal of good tonight , but not really too much blame on the players . A bit of course . Oxford were utter guff and we should have enough quality to expect someone to create something .
But they werenāt helped by the odd team selection and set up .
Way too narrow . Way too one dimensional and maybe most worrying of all way too sulky and argumentative with each other tonight .
Letās hope the head coach and the players learned a lot from tonight .
The main one being not to panic about a ā3 game weekā and just win the game you are playing . Worry about Saturday after the game tonight . I think the coaching staff had 1 eye on Saturday and in my opinion thatās not right . Play the strongest team because momentum has now been lost .
Not so much in results but certainly how we are playing . |
I was going to reply to your original pre game post saying you were too pessimistic about the team selection but luckily couldnāt get a signal on the tube as it turned out you were spot on after all š |  | | |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 00:52 - Oct 2 with 1426 views | rbee |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 23:35 - Oct 1 by Northernr |
Dembeleās a complete luxury atm. His defence is so woeful you have to pick another Field/Hayden type just to compensate. Is he good enough for that? His brother came on and basically did exactly the same thing for them. Itās not 6 a side, itās not cage football, itās not #EA26.
Heās too little. |
When Poku returns it won't be so much of an issue. | | | |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 00:59 - Oct 2 with 1404 views | mart_Goblin |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 00:48 - Oct 2 by Ned_Kennedys |
I was going to reply to your original pre game post saying you were too pessimistic about the team selection but luckily couldnāt get a signal on the tube as it turned out you were spot on after all š |
Ha ha !!
Itās difficult because I donāt want to be negative or pessimistic. I nearly didnāt post that because of that reason, as I knew some would think I was . Totally understandable .
But that was just my gut feeling .
Also know that to a degree JS is damned if he changes it up and damned if he doesnāt and there are injuries due to players being overworked etc.
I just think sometimes managers and head coaches and staff in generall over think situations .
Just put your best team out and try to win the game and worry about the next game tomorrow . | | | |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 01:01 - Oct 2 with 1398 views | nix |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 22:47 - Oct 1 by Ned_Kennedys |
What a dull match, neither keeper really troubled at all.
Poor team selection from the off and poor to not rectify it at half time.
Pretty much a half hour game once the right players were on to win it but never really looked like it was going to happen.
Hopefully we have learnt that playing both Field/Hayden and Frey/Kone is a non starter.
Norrington Davies my man of the match which says it all about what a piss poor attacking force we were all game. |
I agree. Weird combination. Maybe he wanted Frey and Field to get some minutes but unfair to pair them with Kone and Hayden. It made us too static when we needed to be probing and mobile against a v low block..
Dembele produces occasional moments of magic but doesn't do the basics well enough yet - he can't shield the ball doesn't show for the ball enough and rarely defends. I wonder if he'd be a better late sub.
We looked better when the subs came on but couldn't put enough good passes together to break through. But we're still unbeaten in a while so not bad overall. |  | | |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 03:20 - Oct 2 with 1264 views | VancouverHoop |
DembelĆ©'s getting a lot of grief on here, which is fair... to a point, but it's based on a pretty small sample size TBH. (I know, I know!) He's young, and he's missed two or three close chances lately, which ā if they'd gone in, would've done his confidence a world of good. Yeah he's got lots to learn, especially defensively, but it'll come with our support. Remember Madsen was catching similar brickbats this time last year but most of us think he's the puppy's pills now. | | | |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 04:58 - Oct 2 with 1199 views | QPROslo |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 03:20 - Oct 2 by VancouverHoop |
DembelĆ©'s getting a lot of grief on here, which is fair... to a point, but it's based on a pretty small sample size TBH. (I know, I know!) He's young, and he's missed two or three close chances lately, which ā if they'd gone in, would've done his confidence a world of good. Yeah he's got lots to learn, especially defensively, but it'll come with our support. Remember Madsen was catching similar brickbats this time last year but most of us think he's the puppy's pills now. |
Dembele was a bit unlucky, especially with that shot come pass that somehow just missed the goal and our strikers feet. | | | |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 05:45 - Oct 2 with 1153 views | Spaceman_P |
Someone else can do the match thread at the weekend. | | | |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 06:44 - Oct 2 with 1064 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 23:35 - Oct 1 by Northernr |
Dembeleās a complete luxury atm. His defence is so woeful you have to pick another Field/Hayden type just to compensate. Is he good enough for that? His brother came on and basically did exactly the same thing for them. Itās not 6 a side, itās not cage football, itās not #EA26.
Heās too little. |
I don't buy the too little argument. It's his attitude that stinks. Doesn't want to do any of the horrible stuff such as tackling, running back, tracking your man etc etc.
Post International break I don't think we'll see much of him with Poku and Chair back.
Waste of a talent. | |
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| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 06:52 - Oct 2 with 1052 views | Dorse |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 06:44 - Oct 2 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I don't buy the too little argument. It's his attitude that stinks. Doesn't want to do any of the horrible stuff such as tackling, running back, tracking your man etc etc.
Post International break I don't think we'll see much of him with Poku and Chair back.
Waste of a talent. |
I've said previously that I find Dembele really frustrating. Not because he's a bad player but simply because you can see what he's trying to do and, if it ever comes off, it'll be brilliant. It just never happens. Result? Piss temperatures reaching critical levels and a player who is burning off fans' patience. |  |
| 'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!' |
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| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 07:01 - Oct 2 with 1023 views | Gus_iom |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 05:45 - Oct 2 by Spaceman_P |
Someone else can do the match thread at the weekend. |
Nah, this one's on me. When I'm over to watch them, they don't win. | |
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| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 08:40 - Oct 2 with 833 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 00:44 - Oct 2 by mart_Goblin |
My fear when the team was announced that it was too many changes . I expected changes but not that many . So as well as players in an unfamiliar line up , some not played for weeks , some not match fit in regards to being slightly rusty , the personnel was all wrong . It looked a bad mix of the squad and it proved to be so.
I know that Kone was great for 2 or 3 games but now the adrenaline has settled , I think we are now seeing the real Kone. Thatās not a criticism.
He is making a big step up and he has an awful lot to learn . He has potential to be a very good player but it will take time .
He isnāt the world beater some were suggesting , not yet anyway .
To add to that , playing Frey alongside him canāt be something we try to do regularly.
They are both too similar .
I thought the decision to leave Morrison out was odd.
Easy in hindsight , but I said before the game that if Mbengue gets booked (which of course he did) it puts an awful lot of pressure on Cook who is managing a nasty injury, to all of a sudden play 2 games in 4 days .
Poor choices in my opinion .
The midfield is another puzzle that needs more work solving .
StĆ©phan doesnāt seem that enamoured with Varane and you can see why at times .
Butā¦.Madsen works much better with Varane rather than Hayden .
Strange goings on with Madsens entrance that Hayden decided to just confine himself to the centre circle and let Madsen charge around . They were miles apart and it meant Madsen couldnāt get on the ball . He improved ten fold when Varane came on as Varane played much closer to Madsen and gave him support .
Field ā¦I just donāt know .
Saw Field doing exactly what some have criticised Madsen for recently ..and thatās stand next to an opponent and point at other Rās players to where the ball should be played . How many times did Jimmy have the ball in the first half and was demanding his midfield 2 show for him ā¦but nothing .
Not many did themselves a great deal of good tonight , but not really too much blame on the players . A bit of course . Oxford were utter guff and we should have enough quality to expect someone to create something .
But they werenāt helped by the odd team selection and set up .
Way too narrow . Way too one dimensional and maybe most worrying of all way too sulky and argumentative with each other tonight .
Letās hope the head coach and the players learned a lot from tonight .
The main one being not to panic about a ā3 game weekā and just win the game you are playing . Worry about Saturday after the game tonight . I think the coaching staff had 1 eye on Saturday and in my opinion thatās not right . Play the strongest team because momentum has now been lost .
Not so much in results but certainly how we are playing . |
Thanks for this post, Mart. Lots of detail in there.
"Saw Field doing exactly what some have criticised Madsen for recently ..and thatās stand next to an opponent and point at other Rās players to where the ball should be played . How many times did Jimmy have the ball in the first half and was demanding his midfield 2 show for him ā¦but nothing."
Field has done this a lot, and under different managers as well. I've always wondered if it was instructions ('no, we don't want you on the ball there' - kind of thing) or whether it's him deciding. The reason I wondered is that other centre-mids over the last few years were just as likely to do it. Good that Madsen is breaking clear of that now, and with him missing - hardly a coincidence - we were back to a static, immobile centre-midfield. And when that happens, the entire team follows suit, imo.
I just couldn't figure out our plan on the ball last night. We weren't going through midfield, as no-one was showing or creating angles, we weren't really going long, as we were still taking the short goal kicks, Dunne couldn't find an out ball down his wing, really only RND was making any inroads, and by the time we got the ball to him, Oxford had numbers over there, so we often had to turn back.
Similarly, I couldn't figure out what our plan without the ball was. Frey and Kone were pressing, but not with intensity. And without any support. And without pushing up the back line (or that's how it looked to me - couldn't see on the stream). Maybe they were trying to panic a long ball without committing numbers, but if they were it wasn't working, and the two up front were getting bypassed with ease and Oxford were in amongst us, in space and with numbers. |  |
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| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 08:42 - Oct 2 with 827 views | nix |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 06:52 - Oct 2 by Dorse |
I've said previously that I find Dembele really frustrating. Not because he's a bad player but simply because you can see what he's trying to do and, if it ever comes off, it'll be brilliant. It just never happens. Result? Piss temperatures reaching critical levels and a player who is burning off fans' patience. |
There were several moments when players were not on the same wavelength so it made a decent-looking pass into a terrible one because the player moved at the last second, One in particular to Kone which if he'd held his position would have left him with a decent run into the box but ended up behind him.
Frey and Dembele often get in each other's way.
Hopefully that'll improve as they play more often together.# | | | |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 08:49 - Oct 2 with 796 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| M40 pile up Witnail and I edition - Qpr vs Oxford Match Thread on 04:58 - Oct 2 by QPROslo |
Dembele was a bit unlucky, especially with that shot come pass that somehow just missed the goal and our strikers feet. |
Sorry, no.
He had acres of space to either deliver a top cross or hit the far corner. He did neither and that's because he didn't execute it, not bad luck.
Not good enough. Standards. | |
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