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international call ups on 11:46 - Oct 19 by gazza1
My view.....
Start them, put your best team out, get in a winning position if you can, players confidence grows, the team gets better, lots of positives, crowd reactions, lots and lots.
Then review it at half time, perhaps, and make another decision.
Basically, the two players who came in for the two you mention were our weak links and the players left out may have made a big difference to the result of the game.
Thanks, at last, for answering my question....my view, also, if he fit to play the 2nd half he is fit to start.
In spite of all the evidence and the widely accepted practice in the game, you are choosing to override it and hold onto your entrenched view. Shades of Stainrod's elbow there Gazza.š
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international call ups on 11:55 - Oct 19 with 1276 views
international call ups on 11:33 - Oct 19 by connell10
I dunno maybe they just make it up. I've never read that the lad is going anywhere, yet literally every time he is mentioned in a thread somewhere someone says he is out of favour and leaving! It's tedious and very boring.
Three things Connell.
1. I heard this from an employee of the club who Iāve known a long time. They donāt usually tell me internal stuff a) because they donāt know it b) because itās more than their job is worth and I have a big mouth. This incident, however, was seen by dozens of people in a very public place so everyone at the club knows about it.
2. I talk a lot of shit on here, mostly jokes and wind ups, but do I ever post ITK stuff? No.
3. This is a football forum not a government enquiry. Even if itās exaggerated or untrue itās fair that people say things based on gossip sometimes.
Itās funny that when itās things we donāt want to hear itās made up bullshit, but if itās things that confirm our biases then itās fair game. Taylor Richards is waster for example. Itās considered truth here but no one from the club has ever said it.
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international call ups on 11:59 - Oct 19 with 1246 views
international call ups on 11:46 - Oct 19 by gazza1
My view.....
Start them, put your best team out, get in a winning position if you can, players confidence grows, the team gets better, lots of positives, crowd reactions, lots and lots.
Then review it at half time, perhaps, and make another decision.
Basically, the two players who came in for the two you mention were our weak links and the players left out may have made a big difference to the result of the game.
Thanks, at last, for answering my question....my view, also, if he fit to play the 2nd half he is fit to start.
Burrell came on for the last 30 minutes. He didnāt play āthe second halfā.
So if he were only cleared to play 30 mins what are you suggesting? He should have played the first 30 mins then be removed 15 mins before half time? Imagine the uproar on here.
Beale did something similar to what youāre suggesting with Willock and it essentially ruined his career.
Also Iād imagine JS doesnāt see the replacement players as binary āweak linksā as youāve labeled them as if itās an objective fact. Weāre going to need more than 11 players to play a 46 game league season. Players wonāt be fit to start all of them. If we have to write off every game where the best XI isnāt able to start like you are insinuating, weāre f**ked anyway.
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international call ups on 12:20 - Oct 19 with 1192 views
Burrell came on for the last 30 minutes. He didnāt play āthe second halfā.
So if he were only cleared to play 30 mins what are you suggesting? He should have played the first 30 mins then be removed 15 mins before half time? Imagine the uproar on here.
Beale did something similar to what youāre suggesting with Willock and it essentially ruined his career.
Also Iād imagine JS doesnāt see the replacement players as binary āweak linksā as youāve labeled them as if itās an objective fact. Weāre going to need more than 11 players to play a 46 game league season. Players wonāt be fit to start all of them. If we have to write off every game where the best XI isnāt able to start like you are insinuating, weāre f**ked anyway.
Nonsense, as usual!!!!
Beale ruined Willock's career - really!!!
Cant be arsed with you any more.......troublesome & limited.
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international call ups on 16:31 - Oct 19 with 1031 views
international call ups on 11:52 - Oct 19 by francisbowles
In spite of all the evidence and the widely accepted practice in the game, you are choosing to override it and hold onto your entrenched view. Shades of Stainrod's elbow there Gazza.š
Well Man Utd have picked Casemiro to play against Liverpool today who I understand was in Brazil this week......Well I never!!!!
He is 33 years old and played the full match......comments please Francis.
Not interested in your comments, thanks Shampoooooo
international call ups on 15:38 - Oct 19 by gazza1
Nonsense, as usual!!!!
Beale ruined Willock's career - really!!!
Cant be arsed with you any more.......troublesome & limited.
You might not like it and it doesn't suit your agenda but Beale DID ruin his career. That summer he took over, Willock had just had a very serious operation on his hamstring, the injury he picked up playing away at Forest.
He started him the first home game of the season against Middlesbrough and played him 74 minutes and even admitted later that he had gone against the medical staff's advice who had said he should play an hour tops because "he wanted to get this ball rolling".
He missed the next three games after suffering a reaction from the Middlesbrough game. He then came back and played the next eight games in which he played: 81 mins 88 mins 53 mins 81 mins 78 mins 90 mins 90 mins 56 mins (went off injured against Sheffield Utd)
After this he missed the next four weeks due to another setback suffered. He had played 617 of a possible 720 minutes, absolute madness to flog a player that much who had suffered a very serious injury six months previously, Beale only doing it because he had scored five goals in those eight games where we got to top the league.
He then came back and played four games in ten days playing 77, 87 and 90 in three of them. Beale then pissed off to Rangers a couple of weeks later. The rest of that season was stop-start for him which can be strongly linked to Beale's disastrous handling of his return. He only really briefly shone again for us in the early part of Marti's first season here. He went from the next cab off the rank possibly going for Ā£5-10m to now plying his trade in League One. I'd say that's a pretty comprehensive case for Beale ruining his career.
international call ups on 19:29 - Oct 19 by CamberleyR
You might not like it and it doesn't suit your agenda but Beale DID ruin his career. That summer he took over, Willock had just had a very serious operation on his hamstring, the injury he picked up playing away at Forest.
He started him the first home game of the season against Middlesbrough and played him 74 minutes and even admitted later that he had gone against the medical staff's advice who had said he should play an hour tops because "he wanted to get this ball rolling".
He missed the next three games after suffering a reaction from the Middlesbrough game. He then came back and played the next eight games in which he played: 81 mins 88 mins 53 mins 81 mins 78 mins 90 mins 90 mins 56 mins (went off injured against Sheffield Utd)
After this he missed the next four weeks due to another setback suffered. He had played 617 of a possible 720 minutes, absolute madness to flog a player that much who had suffered a very serious injury six months previously, Beale only doing it because he had scored five goals in those eight games where we got to top the league.
He then came back and played four games in ten days playing 77, 87 and 90 in three of them. Beale then pissed off to Rangers a couple of weeks later. The rest of that season was stop-start for him which can be strongly linked to Beale's disastrous handling of his return. He only really briefly shone again for us in the early part of Marti's first season here. He went from the next cab off the rank possibly going for Ā£5-10m to now plying his trade in League One. I'd say that's a pretty comprehensive case for Beale ruining his career.
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Correct, Camberley.
What's more, I remember him laughing about ignoring medical advice during that post-match interview. Not in a vindictive way, but in a chummy aren't-I-clever kind of way.
"He then came back and played four games in ten days playing 77, 87 and 90 in three of them."
I still remember the post-match chats after those games with fellow R's and we couldn't believe that he was flogging him like that. Truly incredible.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
international call ups on 16:31 - Oct 19 by gazza1
Well Man Utd have picked Casemiro to play against Liverpool today who I understand was in Brazil this week......Well I never!!!!
He is 33 years old and played the full match......comments please Francis.
Not interested in your comments, thanks Shampoooooo
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Itās an open board so I donāt give a f**k whether you want my comments or not. Iād rather not read your misguided, poorly articulated vomit either but unfortunately itās something I have to suffer when reading the opinions of people I actually respect.
Casemiro has played 330 minutes for Man Utd before today this season. Burrell has played 611. So not sure why you think theyāre comparable.
Oh, and just to fully expose how thin and weak your āargumentā isā¦ Casemiro went off injured.
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international call ups on 21:18 - Oct 19 with 749 views
Iāve not heard anything about Kolli but Iām actually going to seek out people who know the family and ask outright Thereās simply too much smoke not for there to be a fire
Really sad if this is the case. I canāt accept it either ā if the club have said heās out then why have him on the bench and/or give him actual live minutes? It makes no sense to me. Heāll be a player, Iām sure of it.
Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal
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international call ups on 21:49 - Oct 19 with 686 views
international call ups on 21:39 - Oct 19 by Lblock
Iāve not heard anything about Kolli but Iām actually going to seek out people who know the family and ask outright Thereās simply too much smoke not for there to be a fire
Really sad if this is the case. I canāt accept it either ā if the club have said heās out then why have him on the bench and/or give him actual live minutes? It makes no sense to me. Heāll be a player, Iām sure of it.
Heās getting fleeting minutes for the same reason Nardi is.
Injuries and suspensions.
I wonder where heāll be when Poku and Chair return.
In the clubās Defense, and pure speculation, it seems those around him make it more difficult than they have to.
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international call ups on 07:41 - Oct 20 with 563 views
international call ups on 16:31 - Oct 19 by gazza1
Well Man Utd have picked Casemiro to play against Liverpool today who I understand was in Brazil this week......Well I never!!!!
He is 33 years old and played the full match......comments please Francis.
Not interested in your comments, thanks Shampoooooo
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I understand why there is 'no comment' Francis!!!
Lets add another one to the list.......Liverpool midfielder - Mac Allister, oh one more the Villa keeper played as well but I suppose the reason there is that he did not have to run around!!!
But hey, we cannot start our players!!!!
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international call ups on 09:00 - Oct 20 with 470 views
international call ups on 08:39 - Oct 20 by gazza1
I understand why there is 'no comment' Francis!!!
Lets add another one to the list.......Liverpool midfielder - Mac Allister, oh one more the Villa keeper played as well but I suppose the reason there is that he did not have to run around!!!
But hey, we cannot start our players!!!!
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Liverpool lost at home to Man Utd for the first time in a decade.
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international call ups on 09:45 - Oct 20 with 397 views
I know you don't agree with the policy Gazza, but it was the start of a three games in eight days & rotation will definitely play it's part in those matches. Stephan had told us this. Nourry has told us this.
Many on this board don't like it, but it will happen! Perhaps it was thought that missing the first match after long distance travelling was the best time for those players to be left out of the starting eleven.
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international call ups on 10:04 - Oct 20 with 369 views
I do not agree with the club policy Terry (if it is the Club's policy), my view is that it cost us at least a point on Saturday and ended our non loosing streak. I am annoyed at that. The pressure is now on the Team for the next two away matches, even more pressures.
The issue I have is that I am basically being told by certain supporters that the Club's policy, if it is their policy, is right & correct and they give me a load of rubbish reasons - absolute rubbish by one poster!!!!
My strong view is that if they can be brought on for/during the second half then why can't they start.......To back that up I have shown that there were several Premier players who did start despite having to travel afar but I am being told it is universal & other stuff.
It is wrong, poor from our club, and needs addressing. I will be very interested in what they do next international break.
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international call ups on 10:24 - Oct 20 with 333 views
international call ups on 10:04 - Oct 20 by gazza1
I do not agree with the club policy Terry (if it is the Club's policy), my view is that it cost us at least a point on Saturday and ended our non loosing streak. I am annoyed at that. The pressure is now on the Team for the next two away matches, even more pressures.
The issue I have is that I am basically being told by certain supporters that the Club's policy, if it is their policy, is right & correct and they give me a load of rubbish reasons - absolute rubbish by one poster!!!!
My strong view is that if they can be brought on for/during the second half then why can't they start.......To back that up I have shown that there were several Premier players who did start despite having to travel afar but I am being told it is universal & other stuff.
It is wrong, poor from our club, and needs addressing. I will be very interested in what they do next international break.
So basically, you have one view, lots of other people (and seemingly the club/manager) have another. No real need for all the insults (in my opinion).
Extra mature cheddar......a simple cheese for a simple man
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international call ups on 11:01 - Oct 20 with 269 views
international call ups on 10:04 - Oct 20 by gazza1
I do not agree with the club policy Terry (if it is the Club's policy), my view is that it cost us at least a point on Saturday and ended our non loosing streak. I am annoyed at that. The pressure is now on the Team for the next two away matches, even more pressures.
The issue I have is that I am basically being told by certain supporters that the Club's policy, if it is their policy, is right & correct and they give me a load of rubbish reasons - absolute rubbish by one poster!!!!
My strong view is that if they can be brought on for/during the second half then why can't they start.......To back that up I have shown that there were several Premier players who did start despite having to travel afar but I am being told it is universal & other stuff.
It is wrong, poor from our club, and needs addressing. I will be very interested in what they do next international break.
Of the whopping two examples you've given, one lost at home to a club they haven't lost at home to for nearly 10 years. The other went off injured after an hour. This is the extent of the 'proof' that your way of doing things is the right way.
If our guys had started on Saturday - perhaps they wouldn't have been fit enough to start on Wednesday. I'm guessing you'd then whinge about the team selection on Wednesday.
There's clearly no point debating this with you as you never concede any holes in your logic despite the clearly contrary evidence or counter points. You're not here for a debate, you're here to shout criticism at the club / coach and shout at anyone that dares to disagree.
It's not wrong or poor from the club. They're managing players' fitness to maximise their long term output. We have a squad and I'm glad we're using it.
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international call ups on 11:10 - Oct 20 with 243 views
international call ups on 08:39 - Oct 20 by gazza1
I understand why there is 'no comment' Francis!!!
Lets add another one to the list.......Liverpool midfielder - Mac Allister, oh one more the Villa keeper played as well but I suppose the reason there is that he did not have to run around!!!
But hey, we cannot start our players!!!!
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There was no comment Gazza as I haven't been on the forum since before you posted it. I see that others have pointed things out like.... Casemiro ended yesterday's game with fu.k me an INJURY!
One thing that hasn't been mentioned was Man U game was Sunday not 12.30 on Saturday. Btw he was in South Korea and Japan not Brazil....do your research before shouting the odds.
McCallister was subbed after 62 mins, don't know the reason. Again he played Sunday at 4.30pm not 12.30 on Saturday, that's probably training on Saturday and an activation session on Sunday to assess and prepare. We didn't have that opportunity. That applies to Casemiro too. Btw McCallister rated a 4.24 on the BBC website.
No one is saying no club ever picks a player after midweek internationals, the circumstances are considered and the player is assessed before a decision is made. Would you rather Saito, Burrell and Hayden had started, stayed on till half time and picked up an injury or two in doing so? Julien made a decision to go with the players that he had been working with and preparing for the game. Ok, his plan didn't work in terms of the result but that may have happened anyway.
Interesting that you should look at other clubs as you have previously mentioned, on more than one occasion, that you are not interested in them!
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international call ups on 11:40 - Oct 20 with 172 views
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