| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread 15:41 - Oct 6 with 6797 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
How about a match thread for this one?
There will be some tinkering this weekend with Oliver Whatmuff off to Spain with the England youngsters. I guess/hope he will be back for the home game against Yeovil on 18th Oct. So the cup match is timely in respect of our League progress.
Apart from that, will there be far more tinkering to rest players as we pass the quarter mark of a so far very successful season? |  | | |  |
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Allarakhia is on international duty this weekend as well | | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 19:58 - Oct 6 with 2502 views | TalkingSutty |
It's a cup game and i'm expecting at least four or five changes, maybe more. The club isn't going to live or die on revenue from the FA Cup this season thanks to the Ogden family. The league is the sole focus now i think and these are the games when it make sense to rest our key players. A cup run would be great but we also need to factor in possible damage to our pitch. We are also in the National Cup and the FA Trophy. They're all distractions now. |  | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 20:03 - Oct 6 with 2493 views | EllDale |
There could be as many as four enforced changes from Saturday’s squad - the two lads on international duty plus Amantchi and Berkoe if their parent clubs decline to allow them to play. | | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 20:09 - Oct 6 with 2475 views | rochedale |
Resting players next weekend will mean those rested won’t have played for 2 week. With no midweek games for a while, I’m not sure that rest would be beneficial or necessary. |  |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 20:19 - Oct 6 with 2432 views | 442Dale |
Not enough use of ‘tinkering’ in the OP to meet the levels required.
Still not heard one response to whether leaving Pritchard out after his big contribution to the opening day win was ok. Or if bringing McBride in for the previously impressive Barlow was acceptable. Did the fact we won the subsequent games help avoid this onslaught of comedy gold as it’s a fact that doesn’t suit a narrative?
There’s a difference to making decisions that do/don’t work out (which can of course be debated) and the anomaly that was Brackley. That’s obvious.
The FA Cup should retain its high priority for a club like Dale, we have a good enough squad to focus on that whilst still playing a strong side. I’d be looking at giving Gordon (note the yellow card situation) and East or Gilmour a rest, the former if TAR is fit of course. The McBride/Barlow place can be given to either. So Moss at RCB, Pettit into midfield. |  |
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I'd be "intensely relaxed" if the starting XI gets tinkered with on Saturday, even beyond the enforced changes
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Not enough use of ‘tinkering’ in the OP to meet the levels required.
Still not heard one response to whether leaving Pritchard out after his big contribution to the opening day win was ok. Or if bringing McBride in for the previously impressive Barlow was acceptable. Did the fact we won the subsequent games help avoid this onslaught of comedy gold as it’s a fact that doesn’t suit a narrative?
There’s a difference to making decisions that do/don’t work out (which can of course be debated) and the anomaly that was Brackley. That’s obvious.
The FA Cup should retain its high priority for a club like Dale, we have a good enough squad to focus on that whilst still playing a strong side. I’d be looking at giving Gordon (note the yellow card situation) and East or Gilmour a rest, the former if TAR is fit of course. The McBride/Barlow place can be given to either. So Moss at RCB, Pettit into midfield. |
So you would start with EEL,Rodney and Mani? It wouldn't surprise me if none of those start. [Post edited 6 Oct 21:00]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 21:02 - Oct 6 with 2275 views | 442Dale |
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So you would start with EEL,Rodney and Mani? It wouldn't surprise me if none of those start. [Post edited 6 Oct 21:00]
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Yes. Wouldn’t you?
Of course, I don’t know the other factors behind selection (fitness/stats from games played they look at) so there might be reason why they or others don’t. Bit like the other changes we’ve made at various times game to game this season, just go off what we do know. I’d have picked Pettit on day one, so what do I know! | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 21:56 - Oct 6 with 2198 views | TalkingSutty |
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Yes. Wouldn’t you?
Of course, I don’t know the other factors behind selection (fitness/stats from games played they look at) so there might be reason why they or others don’t. Bit like the other changes we’ve made at various times game to game this season, just go off what we do know. I’d have picked Pettit on day one, so what do I know! |
No, i'd play my strongest available team in every league game and use the cup games to give the fringe players a game. Berger, Humble, Pettit, Smith, Amantchi, Hogan, Moss. It wouldn't surprise me if most of those start the game against York. I have a feeling he won't risk Rodney and Mani to start on Saturday and probably EEL and Gordon. It depends on how much he values a cup run i think, extra games on the pitch, potential for injuries and suspensions. [Post edited 6 Oct 22:01]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 22:15 - Oct 6 with 2149 views | 442Dale |
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No, i'd play my strongest available team in every league game and use the cup games to give the fringe players a game. Berger, Humble, Pettit, Smith, Amantchi, Hogan, Moss. It wouldn't surprise me if most of those start the game against York. I have a feeling he won't risk Rodney and Mani to start on Saturday and probably EEL and Gordon. It depends on how much he values a cup run i think, extra games on the pitch, potential for injuries and suspensions. [Post edited 6 Oct 22:01]
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I’d be disappointed to see that many changes but I’d try and have an understanding of why they were made. Especially if they’re explained, as previously. Won’t necessarily agree but I trust in the decision making of the management team, results are backing up their choices.
Some fans will put a greater importance on the cup, we saw that against Bromley last season, so there could be a negative reaction if we lose.
Share your concerns about the pitch being possibly our biggest issue over the coming months. | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 22:39 - Oct 6 with 2102 views | Trev |
I don't think I've ever cared less about us having a cup run. Let's get out of this league. | | | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 22:39 - Oct 6 by Trev |
I don't think I've ever cared less about us having a cup run. Let's get out of this league. |
The league is definitely the priority. But what if proceeds from any cup run allow us to strengthen further throughout the season to assist the promotion bid?
That and surely if we’re looking to increase the fanbase and we are playing in front of some fans taking advantage of the cheaper prices who might not come regularly, then it’s a chance to perform well and win.
Or at least have them avoid lifelong issues witnessing celebrations in the Willbutts. [Post edited 6 Oct 22:47]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 22:47 - Oct 6 with 2071 views | TalkingSutty |
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I’d be disappointed to see that many changes but I’d try and have an understanding of why they were made. Especially if they’re explained, as previously. Won’t necessarily agree but I trust in the decision making of the management team, results are backing up their choices.
Some fans will put a greater importance on the cup, we saw that against Bromley last season, so there could be a negative reaction if we lose.
Share your concerns about the pitch being possibly our biggest issue over the coming months. |
The result last week against Halifax didn't back up their choices. Resting players in League matches hasn't worked out well. The manager and his coaches have changed the team twice and we lost both games. When we've started with our strongest available team we've won every game. The defeat against Bromley was due to poor in game management and substitutions, a game we should never have lost. It deserved a negative reaction. | | | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 22:45 - Oct 6 by 442Dale |
The league is definitely the priority. But what if proceeds from any cup run allow us to strengthen further throughout the season to assist the promotion bid?
That and surely if we’re looking to increase the fanbase and we are playing in front of some fans taking advantage of the cheaper prices who might not come regularly, then it’s a chance to perform well and win.
Or at least have them avoid lifelong issues witnessing celebrations in the Willbutts. [Post edited 6 Oct 22:47]
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I have a vision of York being 3-2 ahead and McNulty bringing Amantchi off the bench to score one of our two injury time goals to clinch an away tie at Solihull Moors in the next round. |  |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 22:58 - Oct 6 with 2016 views | 442Dale |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 22:47 - Oct 6 by TalkingSutty |
The result last week against Halifax didn't back up their choices. Resting players in League matches hasn't worked out well. The manager and his coaches have changed the team twice and we lost both games. When we've started with our strongest available team we've won every game. The defeat against Bromley was due to poor in game management and substitutions, a game we should never have lost. It deserved a negative reaction. |
They’ve changed the team during the season and won. See above.
There were no arguments about the changes against Brackley and Halifax being a mistake. That was recognised. Are the other successful changes and the league table also worth recognising? That’s why I trust them to make the changes they see fit and accept they’ll get some wrong.
They got it right leaving Pritchard on the bench after Boreham Wood.
My point about Bromley was around the importance of the FA Cup to some fans, it was given as an example of us not being successful in the “big games” last season. By that definition, it will retain that importance to some on Saturday. | |
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I don't think I've ever cared less about us having a cup run. Let's get out of this league. |
The two aren't mutually exclusive.
See our last promotion season. | |
| A wise man would be able to self-analyse and perhaps understand. |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 23:01 - Oct 6 with 1996 views | D_Alien |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 22:45 - Oct 6 by 442Dale |
The league is definitely the priority. But what if proceeds from any cup run allow us to strengthen further throughout the season to assist the promotion bid?
That and surely if we’re looking to increase the fanbase and we are playing in front of some fans taking advantage of the cheaper prices who might not come regularly, then it’s a chance to perform well and win.
Or at least have them avoid lifelong issues witnessing celebrations in the Willbutts. [Post edited 6 Oct 22:47]
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Any Dale fan who doesn't have an issue with away fans celebrating, especially in key fixtures such as playoffs. semi-finals, derby games, hasn't got enough blood in their veins
Plus, some lifetimes are longer than others...
Of course, it's sport, but as in life, accepting defeats too easily comes with consequences. I'm happy i've got that particular balance right | |
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I have a vision of York being 3-2 ahead and McNulty bringing Amantchi off the bench to score one of our two injury time goals to clinch an away tie at Solihull Moors in the next round. |
That’s about as niche as it’s possible to be.
I’ll be furious about how we play between minutes 10 and 90 though. | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 23:08 - Oct 6 with 1973 views | 442Dale |
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Any Dale fan who doesn't have an issue with away fans celebrating, especially in key fixtures such as playoffs. semi-finals, derby games, hasn't got enough blood in their veins
Plus, some lifetimes are longer than others...
Of course, it's sport, but as in life, accepting defeats too easily comes with consequences. I'm happy i've got that particular balance right |
Sometimes it bothers me, sometimes it doesn’t.
But I’m not presuming or calling into question how others feel. That, along with time spent on the planet isn’t a competition I’m concerned about. | |
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I'd be "intensely relaxed" if the starting XI gets tinkered with on Saturday, even beyond the enforced changes
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I dont care about the other cups....though the trophy gives us a realistic chance of returning to wembley. However i would always take the FACup seriously and play our best11. There are prize money considerations potential big crowds if we progress and exposure from meeting big teams.
We know that the pitch problem has to be solved but is currently on hold for monetary reasons.
Remember how keith hill used to disrespect the cup until a discussion with Dunphy about the opportunities it offered. It was like flipping a switch and we became probably the best performing lower league club over a number of years. | | | |
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Sometimes it bothers me, sometimes it doesn’t.
But I’m not presuming or calling into question how others feel. That, along with time spent on the planet isn’t a competition I’m concerned about. |
After almost every single Dale game, how other people feel about the performance is very much called into question. We all do it, just differently; continually seeking to offset defeats is one of them
Neither is longevity a competition, it's a reality. I just find that being particularly arsed about winning helps | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 01:11 - Oct 7 with 1850 views | D_Alien |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 00:10 - Oct 7 by pioneer |
I dont care about the other cups....though the trophy gives us a realistic chance of returning to wembley. However i would always take the FACup seriously and play our best11. There are prize money considerations potential big crowds if we progress and exposure from meeting big teams.
We know that the pitch problem has to be solved but is currently on hold for monetary reasons.
Remember how keith hill used to disrespect the cup until a discussion with Dunphy about the opportunities it offered. It was like flipping a switch and we became probably the best performing lower league club over a number of years. |
I'd tend to agree, but not this year
Pitch problems included, the absolute focus has got to be finishing top of the table
Will of course be pleased if we're in the draw for the next round | |
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The two aren't mutually exclusive.
See our last promotion season. |
True, we don't have the benefit of being able to finish third and be promoted automatically though. | | | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 22:58 - Oct 6 by 442Dale |
They’ve changed the team during the season and won. See above.
There were no arguments about the changes against Brackley and Halifax being a mistake. That was recognised. Are the other successful changes and the league table also worth recognising? That’s why I trust them to make the changes they see fit and accept they’ll get some wrong.
They got it right leaving Pritchard on the bench after Boreham Wood.
My point about Bromley was around the importance of the FA Cup to some fans, it was given as an example of us not being successful in the “big games” last season. By that definition, it will retain that importance to some on Saturday. |
Apologies, in reference to the Bromley game i thought you might have been highlighting the managers incompitance which was directly responsible for the defeat. That would have been condemned and discussed irrespective of the competition. It's irrelevant what happened in games following the defeats at Brackley and Halifax, we lost those two games so gained no advantage. Whichever way you try to slice the cake you can't get away from those statistics. They haven't rested multitude key players in any game this season and won and we all recognise the league table and have given McNulty and his coaches plenty of praise. I think the FA Cup is less important this season financially because we have the Ogdens on board, their priority will be promotion. I think the manager will be of the same mindset. His biggest fear on Saturday will probably be it finishing in a draw and going to a replay. Fixture congestion due to a poor pitch also has to be factored in. We've depended on a FA Cup run to keep the club afloat but i'm not sure if it has the same importance this year. If it does then McNulty will field his strongest team available against a good York team, we'll find out at 2pm on Saturday. I also understand the importance of a good cup run but that would probably lead to more injuries, resting of players in league games, extra fixtures, damage to a pitch that isn't fit for purpose. Another good run in the FA Trophy and a trip to Wembley would be my preference, utilise the squad. [Post edited 7 Oct 7:19]
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That’s about as niche as it’s possible to be.
I’ll be furious about how we play between minutes 10 and 90 though. |
Ignoring the blatantly obvious because you hate anybody pointing out McNulty's deficiancies. If you look back on the Bromley thread you will find that you were also very critical of his decisions during that game. It was you who brought up the game again and trying to excuse the defeat because we played well between 10 and 90 minutes is irrelevant. Why don't you highlight the crucial periods of that game at the beginning and the end. Being smug and trying to put yourself on a superior pedastal isn't working, we lost that game so can you tell me the relevance of the period of play you have highlighted? We threw away a game we had won and our manager changed the game in their favour. It was nothing to do with minutes 10-90. [Post edited 7 Oct 7:45]
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