| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread 15:41 - Oct 6 with 33862 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
How about a match thread for this one?
There will be some tinkering this weekend with Oliver Whatmuff off to Spain with the England youngsters. I guess/hope he will be back for the home game against Yeovil on 18th Oct. So the cup match is timely in respect of our League progress.
Apart from that, will there be far more tinkering to rest players as we pass the quarter mark of a so far very successful season? |  | | |  |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 18:39 - Oct 8 with 3077 views | TalkingSutty |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 17:19 - Oct 8 by 442Dale |
Pettit will count himself unlucky to not have featured more, but East and Gilmour have responded well to (my) doubts about how well they play together.
On the subject of ‘strongest XI’, what are the thoughts as to what that is at present?
—————— Whatmuff ——————
——— Gordon—— EEL—— Beckwith
TAR —————————————— Berkoe/ Allarakhia
————— East ——— Gilmour ———
— Barlow/McBride ——— Rodney —
—————— Dieseruvwe ——————
Seems obvious. Depending on the opposition/form/fitness, the choices at LWB and between Barlow/McBride are ones that could go either way so who would be the ones to get the nod? |
TAR in home games and probably Berkoe in most away games. I prefer Barlow to McBride everytime but if his form drops then McBride is a decent replacement. There is a aspect of our play at Carlisle and FGR that was poor and that was our finishing. I haven't counted but i reckon we missed probably six or seven easy goal scoring chances, most of them with just the keeper to beat, very wasteful. We need to be a lot better than that and i hope it's being worked on [Post edited 8 Oct 18:43]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 18:57 - Oct 8 with 2978 views | isitme |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 18:20 - Oct 8 by 442Dale |
Those would be my choices at present too, though McBride has always come in and done well. He’s been much more productive results wise as well with respect to goals and assists, still believe there’s more to come from Barlow on that front. |
To me they are different types of player. McBride is more of a goal threat and probably runs about a bit more but is less technically gifted than Barlow. I would agree that there is probably a bit more to come from him. He also seems to tire towards the end of games.
It is a shame that Gomez-Mancini has not been available more as he could potentially offer a similar skillset to Barlow. |  | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 19:00 - Oct 8 with 2952 views | 442Dale |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 18:57 - Oct 8 by isitme |
To me they are different types of player. McBride is more of a goal threat and probably runs about a bit more but is less technically gifted than Barlow. I would agree that there is probably a bit more to come from him. He also seems to tire towards the end of games.
It is a shame that Gomez-Mancini has not been available more as he could potentially offer a similar skillset to Barlow. |
Mancini was the one positive to come from Brackley. That and glimpses in the NL cup have shown there’s a player with passing ability others may not have. But we knew when we signed him that injuries would always be the issue. |  |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 09:29 - Oct 9 with 2554 views | NorthernDale |
There will be changes to this Saturdays team, with Whatmuff and Allarakhia on international duty, but will Berkoe and Amantchi be available, depending on Salford and Walsall decisions.
So McNulty will be faced with forced changes, so the team selection could be interesting for York's visit. However we have a bigger and better squad this season. | | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 09:36 - Oct 9 with 2547 views | DaleiLama |
I know the days of lucrative Spurs replays at Wembley are over in more ways than one, but as one of our stated aims is sustainability, I would imagine the ambition of a 'massive' club being drawn in the cup would be high on the Ogden's wish list.
Cash coming in from winning games and potential t.v. rights could make a large dent in the bill for replacing a pitch that's fit for purpose - which in turn would also give us the best chance of succeeding in whatever format we play in the future. |  |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 10:18 - Oct 9 with 2461 views | BigKindo |
The Spurs replay had an attendance of 24627 with tickets at much reduced prices. From what I was told the ticket receipts didn't even cover the cost of hiring Wembley. |  | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 11:13 - Oct 9 with 2362 views | TVOS1907 |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 10:18 - Oct 9 by BigKindo |
The Spurs replay had an attendance of 24627 with tickets at much reduced prices. From what I was told the ticket receipts didn't even cover the cost of hiring Wembley. |
That was Spurs' problem.
We would still have had our 45% cut of the gate receipts, plus the TV fee, as the game was shown live.
Same for the home game, as well as all the extra income that day on merchandise, sponsorship, hospitality, etc.
As DL pointed out, it was vital income and still will be. |  |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 11:38 - Oct 9 with 2302 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
Returning to the match...
Saturday's weather is looking good with temps around 15 degrees at kick off and no rain in the forecast.
Taking it a step further, also looking fair for Sat 18th when Yeovil come to town. | | | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 11:41 - Oct 9 with 2284 views | D_Alien |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 11:13 - Oct 9 by TVOS1907 |
That was Spurs' problem.
We would still have had our 45% cut of the gate receipts, plus the TV fee, as the game was shown live.
Same for the home game, as well as all the extra income that day on merchandise, sponsorship, hospitality, etc.
As DL pointed out, it was vital income and still will be. |
It's all about the risks/balances of going full-out by selecting what would be considered the best starting XI. With the enforced changes, the game against York will afford opportunities for fringe players to come in anyway
If we get through - and no-one's suggesting we shouldn't be trying to do so - there's still a long way to go before the sniff of the kind of cup-tie that would make a real difference to our finances
I think that all that's being said is - this particular season, and given all the circumstances - many of us consider the balance to be in favour of getting out of the NL by finishing top if possible, and everything else is a sideshow. The financial benefits of doing so far outweigh any unrealised benefits from a cup-tie that may never happen [Post edited 9 Oct 11:42]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 11:52 - Oct 9 with 2259 views | TVOS1907 |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 11:41 - Oct 9 by D_Alien |
It's all about the risks/balances of going full-out by selecting what would be considered the best starting XI. With the enforced changes, the game against York will afford opportunities for fringe players to come in anyway
If we get through - and no-one's suggesting we shouldn't be trying to do so - there's still a long way to go before the sniff of the kind of cup-tie that would make a real difference to our finances
I think that all that's being said is - this particular season, and given all the circumstances - many of us consider the balance to be in favour of getting out of the NL by finishing top if possible, and everything else is a sideshow. The financial benefits of doing so far outweigh any unrealised benefits from a cup-tie that may never happen [Post edited 9 Oct 11:42]
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But by the same token, promotion might not happen, whatever team we put out on Saturday.
I do get what you're saying and I think there will be some team changes (some enforced, some by choice), but I'm still of the opinion that the FA Cup isn't going to impact greatly on our league season given how soon into the campaign we are playing in it and the fact that very few non-league teams progress beyond December.
I just hope the game is settled on Saturday, as a replay will be something neither club wants.
I think the FA Trophy might be the competition we don't take 'seriously', but that's just conjecture on my part. [Post edited 9 Oct 11:57]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 13:45 - Oct 9 with 2121 views | BigKindo |
FA Cup gate receipts are apportioned after the deduction of match costs, with each club receiving 45% of the net receipts and the remaining 10% going to the Football Association (The FA). These expenses can include costs for the pitch protection system and floodlighting, among other items agreed upon in advance by the competing clubs. | | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 14:10 - Oct 9 with 2046 views | TVOS1907 |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 13:45 - Oct 9 by BigKindo |
FA Cup gate receipts are apportioned after the deduction of match costs, with each club receiving 45% of the net receipts and the remaining 10% going to the Football Association (The FA). These expenses can include costs for the pitch protection system and floodlighting, among other items agreed upon in advance by the competing clubs. |
Every penny we received was a penny we didn't have before the tie. (Which included two games, both broadcast live on TV).
I'm not sure why you're trying to denigrate it. [Post edited 9 Oct 14:12]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 14:46 - Oct 9 with 1983 views | BigKindo |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 14:10 - Oct 9 by TVOS1907 |
Every penny we received was a penny we didn't have before the tie. (Which included two games, both broadcast live on TV).
I'm not sure why you're trying to denigrate it. [Post edited 9 Oct 14:12]
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Denigrate it? From where you coming? Now you have introduced the Dale home tie into the equation. I never mentioned that. I simply stated that I was told that the cost of putting on the Spurs game at Wembley Stadium, security costs etc were greater than the gate receipts. | | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 15:00 - Oct 9 with 1958 views | TVOS1907 |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 14:46 - Oct 9 by BigKindo |
Denigrate it? From where you coming? Now you have introduced the Dale home tie into the equation. I never mentioned that. I simply stated that I was told that the cost of putting on the Spurs game at Wembley Stadium, security costs etc were greater than the gate receipts. |
DaleiLama indirectly referenced the Spurs tie as a whole in a previous post. I was extending that after your post about Wembley seemed to imply we made nowt, or certainly next to nowt.
Who told you? [Post edited 9 Oct 15:09]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 15:09 - Oct 9 with 1930 views | BigKindo |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 15:00 - Oct 9 by TVOS1907 |
DaleiLama indirectly referenced the Spurs tie as a whole in a previous post. I was extending that after your post about Wembley seemed to imply we made nowt, or certainly next to nowt.
Who told you? [Post edited 9 Oct 15:09]
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Read my original posting. I only mentioned Spurs away. Yes no doubt over the two ties we made a nice profit. No doubt similar with the Newcastle tie. At no time did I denigrate the competition like you suggest. | | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 15:18 - Oct 9 with 1923 views | DaleiLama |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 11:41 - Oct 9 by D_Alien |
It's all about the risks/balances of going full-out by selecting what would be considered the best starting XI. With the enforced changes, the game against York will afford opportunities for fringe players to come in anyway
If we get through - and no-one's suggesting we shouldn't be trying to do so - there's still a long way to go before the sniff of the kind of cup-tie that would make a real difference to our finances
I think that all that's being said is - this particular season, and given all the circumstances - many of us consider the balance to be in favour of getting out of the NL by finishing top if possible, and everything else is a sideshow. The financial benefits of doing so far outweigh any unrealised benefits from a cup-tie that may never happen [Post edited 9 Oct 11:42]
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Get where you are coming from, and the financial arguments of having payments from the Prem and a funded academy where we can develop our own players and saleable assets is no doubt the prize we should aim for.
Long term it is absolutely the best option in a binary scenario, but like TVOS, I would like to think we could try to emulate non league Lincoln and make it to the quarters at Arsenal whilst still having a crack at promotion, like they did?
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 15:35 - Oct 9 with 1872 views | TVOS1907 |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 15:09 - Oct 9 by BigKindo |
Read my original posting. I only mentioned Spurs away. Yes no doubt over the two ties we made a nice profit. No doubt similar with the Newcastle tie. At no time did I denigrate the competition like you suggest. |
That's how I read it. There appeared to be an implication in your post that the replay wasn't lucrative. The replay was part of the whole tie.
I'd be interested to know who told you otherwise.
Apologies if I misinterpreted your words. | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 15:50 - Oct 9 with 1842 views | EllDale |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 15:18 - Oct 9 by DaleiLama |
Get where you are coming from, and the financial arguments of having payments from the Prem and a funded academy where we can develop our own players and saleable assets is no doubt the prize we should aim for.
Long term it is absolutely the best option in a binary scenario, but like TVOS, I would like to think we could try to emulate non league Lincoln and make it to the quarters at Arsenal whilst still having a crack at promotion, like they did?
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I get what you’re saying, and it would be nice, but with all due respect to Lincoln I don’t think the NL was as relentlessly competitive in that particular season? | | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 15:53 - Oct 9 with 1837 views | EllDale |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 09:29 - Oct 9 by NorthernDale |
There will be changes to this Saturdays team, with Whatmuff and Allarakhia on international duty, but will Berkoe and Amantchi be available, depending on Salford and Walsall decisions.
So McNulty will be faced with forced changes, so the team selection could be interesting for York's visit. However we have a bigger and better squad this season. |
There are also three or four players on the long term injured list who may have come into the reckoning eg Tutonda.
What we do have is a surfeit of midfield players. | | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 16:14 - Oct 9 with 1787 views | dingdangblue |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 14:46 - Oct 9 by BigKindo |
Denigrate it? From where you coming? Now you have introduced the Dale home tie into the equation. I never mentioned that. I simply stated that I was told that the cost of putting on the Spurs game at Wembley Stadium, security costs etc were greater than the gate receipts. |
Imagine how much we would have lost had they turned on the undersoil heating! |  |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 16:33 - Oct 9 with 1758 views | DaleiLama |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 15:50 - Oct 9 by EllDale |
I get what you’re saying, and it would be nice, but with all due respect to Lincoln I don’t think the NL was as relentlessly competitive in that particular season? |
And with all due respect to how hard promotion is in any season, they only spent 1 yr in L2 then went up to L1 the following season. I'm not saying we could emulate that, but if this squad were to get promoted, I think we'd have a fair chance of at least staying up too. | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 16:41 - Oct 9 with 1734 views | TVOS1907 |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 15:50 - Oct 9 by EllDale |
I get what you’re saying, and it would be nice, but with all due respect to Lincoln I don’t think the NL was as relentlessly competitive in that particular season? |
At the time of the Arsenal tie, Lincoln were six points clear (and that courtesy of a midweek win at Braintree), so they weren't exactly romping away with the league at that point.
They finished top on 99 points, while second-placed Tranmere had 95. The next three clubs had 86, 84 and 82, so in all fairness, it seemed to be a closer and more challenging season at the top end of the table than last season was, for example. | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 16:42 - Oct 9 with 1731 views | BigKindo |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 15:35 - Oct 9 by TVOS1907 |
That's how I read it. There appeared to be an implication in your post that the replay wasn't lucrative. The replay was part of the whole tie.
I'd be interested to know who told you otherwise.
Apologies if I misinterpreted your words. |
I not prepared to divulge a confidence. | | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 18:10 - Oct 9 with 1607 views | 442Dale |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 16:41 - Oct 9 by TVOS1907 |
At the time of the Arsenal tie, Lincoln were six points clear (and that courtesy of a midweek win at Braintree), so they weren't exactly romping away with the league at that point.
They finished top on 99 points, while second-placed Tranmere had 95. The next three clubs had 86, 84 and 82, so in all fairness, it seemed to be a closer and more challenging season at the top end of the table than last season was, for example. |
It could be argued that the most competitive ever NL season was the one when Wrexham and Notts County were going point for point almost all season long.
Notts finished second on 107 points having been knocked out in the fourth qualifying round of the FA Cup.
Wrexham won the league with 111 points. They played seven games in reaching the fourth round proper of the Cup, going out to Sheffield United after a replay. They also required a replay to beat Blyth Spartans in the fourth qualifying round. | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 18:17 - Oct 9 with 1583 views | Sandyman |
Ref: The OP,
With our No.1 'keeper absent, it's essential we maintain our first choice defensive line-up to help Myles as much as possible. IMHO. No tinkering there please! |  | | |
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