| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread 15:41 - Oct 6 with 6680 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
How about a match thread for this one?
There will be some tinkering this weekend with Oliver Whatmuff off to Spain with the England youngsters. I guess/hope he will be back for the home game against Yeovil on 18th Oct. So the cup match is timely in respect of our League progress.
Apart from that, will there be far more tinkering to rest players as we pass the quarter mark of a so far very successful season? |  | | |  |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 16:36 - Oct 7 with 1848 views | TalkingSutty |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 14:36 - Oct 7 by dingdangblue |
Even in 09/10 and 13/14 we didn't go to our rivals and turn them over (Bournemouth 0-4 apart). To be top with games in hand and won away at Forest Green,Carlisle and Boreham wood and not conceded a goal is dreamland quite frankly. |
It is and it's also not over egging the pudding to suggest we could have quite easily won all our opening twelve league fixtures. We've got a team that is more than capable of winning this league, you don't grind out ten wins in twelve games and beat three of your closest rivals on their own pitch without having a very good team. I'm hoping the manager and the coaches are now asking for further improvement from the players because if they can find that then we're going to take some stopping. [Post edited 7 Oct 16:40]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 16:50 - Oct 7 with 1789 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 16:36 - Oct 7 by TalkingSutty |
It is and it's also not over egging the pudding to suggest we could have quite easily won all our opening twelve league fixtures. We've got a team that is more than capable of winning this league, you don't grind out ten wins in twelve games and beat three of your closest rivals on their own pitch without having a very good team. I'm hoping the manager and the coaches are now asking for further improvement from the players because if they can find that then we're going to take some stopping. [Post edited 7 Oct 16:40]
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Back in again now....
Totally agree, in that we have a team more than capable (as it stands, injury free) to win this league.
Just hope that we continue to hit the high notes and why not.......? Don't mention the "t" word to provoke the down tickers but to use D'A's word "messing" still might come back and haunt us at the back end.
At least three more pages...... | | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 17:20 - Oct 7 with 1730 views | D_Alien |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 13:19 - Oct 7 by AtThePeake |
If we never enjoyed watching Dale until we'd 'achieved' something it wouldn't half be a miserable existence.
I'm by no means Jim's biggest fan, I thought the Brackley debacle was a disgrace, but I think the wins at Carlisle and FGR have been fantastic. Not often we're in this kind of form, you've got to at least enjoy it to some extent while you can.
Up the table-topping Dale. |
I'm coming back to this, because to suggest i (or anyone else) isn't enjoying those wins, or being top of the table, is a complete mischaracterisation. Look at the match threads, see who's reacting, when, and how
Being even more determined to press home our current form by discussing how to improve further is the very definition of enjoyment. The only real fly in the ointment is those who think otherwise. There's no room for complacency, ever
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 09:19 - Oct 8 with 1363 views | YouTubeDale |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 14:35 - Oct 7 by 49thseason |
The cup v promotion situation is simple..
1. We will not win the FA cup the best outcome is a 3rd round draw v a prem club at home with a 10,000 crowd and TV coverage. Worth maybe £250k all in (thats a guess)
2. We win the League Trophy.. best outcome about £50k and another trip to Wembly (been there done that, not impressed)
3. We go 100% for promotion to the exclusion of everything else.. outcome £2m+ next season, pride restored, old rivalry's resumed, bigger crowds, better coverage... cup victories are meaningless, play the 2nd choices, do not weaken the promotion effort at any price..... |
You are correct to point out the obvious financial implications; that it is far better to concentrate on promotion especially now that we find ourselves in such a good position. The Ogdens should be using their managerial nouse to see this situation, to see the big picture and bend McNulty's ear for him to play our "reserve" players in all other competitions. This strategic thinking should be part of the game we are in.
Yes, it's an awful conclusion to effectively pull out of the cups, but as others have said, we need to be ruthless in our pursuit of promotion. Clarity of mind is crucial at this point, and the Ogdens should provide that clarity. |  |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 09:47 - Oct 8 with 1311 views | 100notout |
What an incredible debate this is and it just goes to show how far we have come over the last 2/3 years both on and off the pitch. Who'd have thought we'd be even considering playing "reserves" in the most prestigious and potentially financially valuable domestic cup competitions?
FWIW, I think we should play our strongest side. Apart from any potential financial benefit, psychologically, it would send a message to York and the rest of the National League. I also think its risky putting all your eggs in one basket - the pitch/fixture backlogs, suspensions, injuries and lady luck/FG's can so easily punch you in the face and put you on your arse. Save the "reserves" for the FL Trophy. | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 10:09 - Oct 8 with 1245 views | dingdangblue |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 09:47 - Oct 8 by 100notout |
What an incredible debate this is and it just goes to show how far we have come over the last 2/3 years both on and off the pitch. Who'd have thought we'd be even considering playing "reserves" in the most prestigious and potentially financially valuable domestic cup competitions?
FWIW, I think we should play our strongest side. Apart from any potential financial benefit, psychologically, it would send a message to York and the rest of the National League. I also think its risky putting all your eggs in one basket - the pitch/fixture backlogs, suspensions, injuries and lady luck/FG's can so easily punch you in the face and put you on your arse. Save the "reserves" for the FL Trophy. |
I mean we are going to be short enough with Whatmuff missing, Allarakhia missing, Amantchi and Berkoe potentially not being allowed to play by Walsall and Salford. The rest I would play my strongest X1. We don't want York getting any psychological advantage before we play them in the League. [Post edited 8 Oct 10:11]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 10:15 - Oct 8 with 1223 views | TalkingSutty |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 09:47 - Oct 8 by 100notout |
What an incredible debate this is and it just goes to show how far we have come over the last 2/3 years both on and off the pitch. Who'd have thought we'd be even considering playing "reserves" in the most prestigious and potentially financially valuable domestic cup competitions?
FWIW, I think we should play our strongest side. Apart from any potential financial benefit, psychologically, it would send a message to York and the rest of the National League. I also think its risky putting all your eggs in one basket - the pitch/fixture backlogs, suspensions, injuries and lady luck/FG's can so easily punch you in the face and put you on your arse. Save the "reserves" for the FL Trophy. |
The pitch is my main concern, every home cup tie is one too many. The less traffic it has on it the better. I was surprised we entered the National Cup, is it still not too late to pull out? Can we not put a request in to play all our cup games away from home due to the problems we have with the pitch? Beating York wont really send out a message to anybody, i'd be surprised if they don't make a raft of changes from last weeks win at Hartlepool and utilise their squad. [Post edited 8 Oct 10:18]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 10:44 - Oct 8 with 1143 views | TVOS1907 |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 10:15 - Oct 8 by TalkingSutty |
The pitch is my main concern, every home cup tie is one too many. The less traffic it has on it the better. I was surprised we entered the National Cup, is it still not too late to pull out? Can we not put a request in to play all our cup games away from home due to the problems we have with the pitch? Beating York wont really send out a message to anybody, i'd be surprised if they don't make a raft of changes from last weeks win at Hartlepool and utilise their squad. [Post edited 8 Oct 10:18]
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Chances are the FA Cup and National League Cup could be done and dusted anyway, before we get the worst of the weather, although we know only too well it's impossible to call.
Yes, the Southend game was off, but the weather that day was an anomaly for September, otherwise we would have had games called off for waterlogging that early in the season before; off the top of my head, I can think of a game v Scarborough in October 1998 that was postponed for a waterlogged pitch, but can't recall any others until we get to the really wet stuff. Someone might remember another.
So in theory, the FA Cup could be done before November and potentially December (not many non-league clubs are still in it come January). The NLC could be done before December, depending on results.
The FA Trophy is the one that could coincide with the worst of the weather, or maybe it won't! I'm not Wincey Willis! |  |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 10:45 - Oct 8 with 1133 views | TVOS1907 |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 09:47 - Oct 8 by 100notout |
What an incredible debate this is and it just goes to show how far we have come over the last 2/3 years both on and off the pitch. Who'd have thought we'd be even considering playing "reserves" in the most prestigious and potentially financially valuable domestic cup competitions?
FWIW, I think we should play our strongest side. Apart from any potential financial benefit, psychologically, it would send a message to York and the rest of the National League. I also think its risky putting all your eggs in one basket - the pitch/fixture backlogs, suspensions, injuries and lady luck/FG's can so easily punch you in the face and put you on your arse. Save the "reserves" for the FL Trophy. |
Especially given how the Ogdens want us to become more self-sustainable. | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 11:49 - Oct 8 with 1047 views | dingdangblue |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 10:15 - Oct 8 by TalkingSutty |
The pitch is my main concern, every home cup tie is one too many. The less traffic it has on it the better. I was surprised we entered the National Cup, is it still not too late to pull out? Can we not put a request in to play all our cup games away from home due to the problems we have with the pitch? Beating York wont really send out a message to anybody, i'd be surprised if they don't make a raft of changes from last weeks win at Hartlepool and utilise their squad. [Post edited 8 Oct 10:18]
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Even if we didn't make a raft of changes this weekend with us having a full week till the Yeovil game - if we do make it to the 1st round proper that fixture is 1st Nov and we play Scunthorpe at home on Tuesday 4th so I'd guess Jim would definitely rest players for that one. Then looking further ahead the 2nd round game we are due to play Borehamwood at home so that would be postponed. | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 12:54 - Oct 8 with 968 views | pioneer |
Why would we enter a competition we are not prepared to take seriously? I dont know if we are required to enter the FACup, I know Bacup dont although other teams in their league do.
Instead of playing a weakened team in the competition to rest our front line players simply rest them by not entering. | | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 13:14 - Oct 8 with 930 views | D_Alien |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 12:54 - Oct 8 by pioneer |
Why would we enter a competition we are not prepared to take seriously? I dont know if we are required to enter the FACup, I know Bacup dont although other teams in their league do.
Instead of playing a weakened team in the competition to rest our front line players simply rest them by not entering. |
But it does present a great opportunity for the manager to get game time under the belts of fringe players, without the tinkering we've seen in league fixtures | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 13:15 - Oct 8 with 921 views | TVOS1907 |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 13:14 - Oct 8 by D_Alien |
But it does present a great opportunity for the manager to get game time under the belts of fringe players, without the tinkering we've seen in league fixtures |
And win some prize money, which is still needed despite "The Ogdens". | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 13:25 - Oct 8 with 899 views | 442Dale |
The FA Cup has provided some fantastic memories during my time as a Dale fan.
York 1983
Scunthorpe/Man U 85/86
Run to the 5th round at Palace 1990
Replay win against Blackpool 1992
Coventry 2002
Leeds 2014
Forest 2015
Run to the 5th round v Spurs 2018
Newcastle 2020
During some of those seasons we’ve been challenging for promotion/fighting relegation, often successfully. There are arguments which support both playing the strongest team available or utilising the squad, I’d trust the staff at the club to make the right decision based on info they have available. They might get it wrong but either way I really hope we win and go as far in the Cup as possible.
Football is often about moments and memories, just don’t think you can pick and choose with certainty where it’s best they happen. [Post edited 8 Oct 13:26]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 13:35 - Oct 8 with 863 views | D_Alien |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 13:15 - Oct 8 by TVOS1907 |
And win some prize money, which is still needed despite "The Ogdens". |
The prize money point is just about the only justification i might go along with
I'm the last person to argue that we should expect "The Ogdens" to be forking out in every sphere of the club: i'm more than happy - i'm even "enjoying" - seeing the infrastructure secured, hopefully for generations to come
My straightforward point is that rather than tinker in league fixtures, cup games would be the more natural way of providing game time for fringe players
There are two pertinent reasons for this:
The first: the manager has said himself that to compete on several fronts, a larger squad (than 23/24, for instance) is required. The "all fronts" clearly refers to cup competitions, therefore utilise the larger squad in those games
Secondly: many managers, including at the highest level, have utilised cup games to give chances to players who weren't starting. The argument that it could present York (or any other opponent) with an advantage when there's a league fixture imminent against the same opponent can work both ways. Playing your strongest XI in the cup game presents them with an opportunity to work out their strategy in the league game against the same players [Post edited 8 Oct 13:37]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 14:01 - Oct 8 with 782 views | dingdangblue |
That Nottingham Forest win Hill started Scott Tanser, Callum Camps,Joel Logan and had Joe Bunney and Andy Cannon on the bench and they'd not played many games for us. I remember looking at the starting line up that day and thinking we weren't taking it seriously and had no chance. Fortunately Stuart Pearce was Forest manager - but seriously we could play a full strength team on Saturday and lose or use more of the squad and win - you just never know in the cup. [Post edited 8 Oct 14:45]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 14:47 - Oct 8 with 709 views | Newbury_Dale |
Against a likely strong opposition, I'd quite like to see Casey Pettit and Liam Humbles given starts. So we can gauge where they are in relation to the usual starters. I'd be less enthusiastic about Liam Hogan starting the game. | | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 15:16 - Oct 8 with 637 views | TalkingSutty |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 10:44 - Oct 8 by TVOS1907 |
Chances are the FA Cup and National League Cup could be done and dusted anyway, before we get the worst of the weather, although we know only too well it's impossible to call.
Yes, the Southend game was off, but the weather that day was an anomaly for September, otherwise we would have had games called off for waterlogging that early in the season before; off the top of my head, I can think of a game v Scarborough in October 1998 that was postponed for a waterlogged pitch, but can't recall any others until we get to the really wet stuff. Someone might remember another.
So in theory, the FA Cup could be done before November and potentially December (not many non-league clubs are still in it come January). The NLC could be done before December, depending on results.
The FA Trophy is the one that could coincide with the worst of the weather, or maybe it won't! I'm not Wincey Willis! |
We got lucky last Saturday, had we been at home the game would have been postponed. Agree, you have no similarities with Wincey. | | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 15:26 - Oct 8 with 604 views | TVOS1907 |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 15:16 - Oct 8 by TalkingSutty |
We got lucky last Saturday, had we been at home the game would have been postponed. Agree, you have no similarities with Wincey. |
More of a Bill Giles then? | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 16:55 - Oct 8 with 465 views | TalkingSutty |
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More of a Bill Giles then? |
I was going to mention Fred Talbot but that would be wrong 🙂 | | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 17:19 - Oct 8 with 410 views | 442Dale |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 14:47 - Oct 8 by Newbury_Dale |
Against a likely strong opposition, I'd quite like to see Casey Pettit and Liam Humbles given starts. So we can gauge where they are in relation to the usual starters. I'd be less enthusiastic about Liam Hogan starting the game. |
Pettit will count himself unlucky to not have featured more, but East and Gilmour have responded well to (my) doubts about how well they play together.
On the subject of ‘strongest XI’, what are the thoughts as to what that is at present?
—————— Whatmuff ——————
——— Gordon—— EEL—— Beckwith
TAR —————————————— Berkoe/ Allarakhia
————— East ——— Gilmour ———
— Barlow/McBride ——— Rodney —
—————— Dieseruvwe ——————
Seems obvious. Depending on the opposition/form/fitness, the choices at LWB and between Barlow/McBride are ones that could go either way so who would be the ones to get the nod? | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 17:27 - Oct 8 with 395 views | TVOS1907 |
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I was going to mention Fred Talbot but that would be wrong 🙂 |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 17:28 - Oct 8 with 387 views | isitme |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 17:19 - Oct 8 by 442Dale |
Pettit will count himself unlucky to not have featured more, but East and Gilmour have responded well to (my) doubts about how well they play together.
On the subject of ‘strongest XI’, what are the thoughts as to what that is at present?
—————— Whatmuff ——————
——— Gordon—— EEL—— Beckwith
TAR —————————————— Berkoe/ Allarakhia
————— East ——— Gilmour ———
— Barlow/McBride ——— Rodney —
—————— Dieseruvwe ——————
Seems obvious. Depending on the opposition/form/fitness, the choices at LWB and between Barlow/McBride are ones that could go either way so who would be the ones to get the nod? |
Barlow and Berkoe for me. Berkoe is quicker and better defensively so more suited for the bigger games. Barlow is more creative than McBride who is more of a runner in that role. |  | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 18:10 - Oct 8 with 297 views | D_Alien |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 17:19 - Oct 8 by 442Dale |
Pettit will count himself unlucky to not have featured more, but East and Gilmour have responded well to (my) doubts about how well they play together.
On the subject of ‘strongest XI’, what are the thoughts as to what that is at present?
—————— Whatmuff ——————
——— Gordon—— EEL—— Beckwith
TAR —————————————— Berkoe/ Allarakhia
————— East ——— Gilmour ———
— Barlow/McBride ——— Rodney —
—————— Dieseruvwe ——————
Seems obvious. Depending on the opposition/form/fitness, the choices at LWB and between Barlow/McBride are ones that could go either way so who would be the ones to get the nod? |
Barlow to start over McBride, but even more emphatically, Berkoe to start over Allarakhia [Post edited 8 Oct 18:11]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 18:20 - Oct 8 with 255 views | 442Dale |
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Barlow and Berkoe for me. Berkoe is quicker and better defensively so more suited for the bigger games. Barlow is more creative than McBride who is more of a runner in that role. |
Those would be my choices at present too, though McBride has always come in and done well. He’s been much more productive results wise as well with respect to goals and assists, still believe there’s more to come from Barlow on that front. | |
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