| Keeper conundrum? 08:28 - Oct 9 with 4961 views | dmm |
I see Dieng is being linked to us again and it made me wonder what are the club's plans for the keeper position.
Dieng was heavily tipped to come back to us in the summer, but it fell through. Then we tried Walsh; not to good effect. Now we have Nardi, who's in the last year of his contract. Cooper is on another League 1 season long loan.
At a moment when the squad looks stronger than it has for a good few years, the keeper slot is the one with the most question marks against it. Do we stick or twist in January or next summer? And if we twist, is Dieng the answer?
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| Keeper conundrum? on 13:56 - Oct 9 with 1825 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Keeper conundrum? on 10:59 - Oct 9 by Esox_Lucius |
Salamon is the one to be fast tracking his development IMO. He always impresses me when he plays, he has height over Cooper and is highly thought of by the few 1st team players I have had conversations with a out his prospects. I haven't given up on Walsh but he has definitely stagnated in his progress/development but I think there is still a good keeper in there. |
Salamon is over 21 and as far as I can see hasn’t been loaned out since a few games at Hampton & Richmond in 2022/23 season. He’s therefore miles behind Murphy Cooper who is coming up to 100 first team games and has progressed up the leagues every season.
There really is no contest to who is currently the better keeper and more likely to play regularly for QPR. |  | | |
| Keeper conundrum? on 14:27 - Oct 9 with 1698 views | LongRanger |
I liked Dieng but a no for me.
I think we need to cut Walsh some slack, he desperately needs a full season as #1 in L1 to learn how to play through mistakes and get the experience at that level.
Cooper has done the right things, 2 good loans, looks confident as a result, so at the moment really well placed to start next year as #1.
Nardi not perfect, but he's good enough for this season in my opinion, he'll cost us a few points, but so will any keeper we could afford to replace him with. |  | | |
| Keeper conundrum? on 14:36 - Oct 9 with 1655 views | derbyhoop |
I suspect there isn't a whole lot to choose between Nardi, Walsh, Cooper and Salamon. Nardi is the oldest and will be OOC at the end of the season. So he won't be here next season. Walsh's distribution, Cooper's height and Salamon's inexperience all count against automatic selection.
Then you are reliant on JS and the Goalkeeper coaches to decide which is best. |  |
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| Keeper conundrum? on 14:43 - Oct 9 with 1604 views | simmo |
He theoretically solves both main issues with Nardi and Walsh respectively, in his (always excellent) ability to come and claim the ball, and being very good with his feet.
The reality though is that on top of the reasons that we sold him still existing, he's regressed to the point where he's surplus to requirements at Boro and we'd be bringing someone in over the top of 2 keepers we presumably rate very highly, in Walsh and Cooper.
I'm not against us bringing in someone though, as nobody seems strong enough to grasp that 1 shirt convincingly, and I think we need loans for everyone but Nardi. |  |
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| Keeper conundrum? on 14:46 - Oct 9 with 1573 views | TheChef |
Back to the OP but why is he being linked to us now? Even if we did want him, we couldn't sign him till the January window.
I recall some noises linking him with us before the last window shut, but as per most opinions I wouldn't go back to him. |  |
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| Keeper conundrum? on 14:57 - Oct 9 with 1534 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Re: Cooper’s height
It’s not been a problem has it? |  | | |
| Keeper conundrum? on 15:01 - Oct 9 with 1521 views | simmo |
| Keeper conundrum? on 14:57 - Oct 9 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Re: Cooper’s height
It’s not been a problem has it? |
If it's not been a problem consistently in League One, I'm inclined to think it's not a problem in the Championship. That said fans tend to rate their keepers based on making great saves and in league one and two, they're generally less required to play out or do as many of the extras. Lumley was a loan phenomenon for a few seasons too. | |
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| Keeper conundrum? on 15:02 - Oct 9 with 1524 views | dmm |
It's interesting to read everyone's musings. I agree with those who feel Dieng's return doesn't seem like good move, that Walsh needs a loan out and that Nardi should probably remain as first choice for the season.
I am undecided about Cooper. Like Brian, I don't believe his wiki stat that he's 6' 1". Look closely at past photos and he's often on tiptoe! Yes he seems to be a great shot stopper, but that's a basic requirement. As we've seen with Nardi, if a keeper can't claim crosses or command his area, it causes real problems. Depending on Nardi's form, we might see Cooper recalled in January and given a chance to stake his claim.
As for Salamon, like Walsh, he needs a loan out too. I don't think he's progressing as much as he could in the DS where there are two other young keepers needing to play. | | | |
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| Keeper conundrum? on 16:03 - Oct 9 with 1397 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Keeper conundrum? on 14:57 - Oct 9 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Re: Cooper’s height
It’s not been a problem has it? |
Height isn't a huge problem imo. Keepers are effectivey 18" taller than outfield players anyway when they raise their arms so whether the keeper is 5'11" or 6'2" is not a deal-breaker in itself.
What is absolutely required is jumping ability, strength, bravery, ability to anticipate high balls, ability to catch them at the top of their flight, and ability to catch or punch well clear. |  |
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| Keeper conundrum? on 17:09 - Oct 9 with 1269 views | VancouverHoop |
| Keeper conundrum? on 16:03 - Oct 9 by BrianMcCarthy |
Height isn't a huge problem imo. Keepers are effectivey 18" taller than outfield players anyway when they raise their arms so whether the keeper is 5'11" or 6'2" is not a deal-breaker in itself.
What is absolutely required is jumping ability, strength, bravery, ability to anticipate high balls, ability to catch them at the top of their flight, and ability to catch or punch well clear. |
So Koki Saito will be our next keeper then? | | | |
| Keeper conundrum? on 17:19 - Oct 9 with 1240 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Keeper conundrum? on 13:46 - Oct 9 by kensalriser |
Does feel as though the smart play at this point would be leave Nardi in place the rest of the season, send Walsh out on loan in January and let Walsh and Cooper battle it out next season. |
Nardi will be looking for clubs until he leaves.
I’m sure he’s professional enough, but we’re in a position again where we’ve unceremoniously dumped a player and ended up relying on them again like we did with Paal. | | | |
| Keeper conundrum? on 17:53 - Oct 9 with 1144 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Keeper conundrum? on 15:02 - Oct 9 by dmm |
It's interesting to read everyone's musings. I agree with those who feel Dieng's return doesn't seem like good move, that Walsh needs a loan out and that Nardi should probably remain as first choice for the season.
I am undecided about Cooper. Like Brian, I don't believe his wiki stat that he's 6' 1". Look closely at past photos and he's often on tiptoe! Yes he seems to be a great shot stopper, but that's a basic requirement. As we've seen with Nardi, if a keeper can't claim crosses or command his area, it causes real problems. Depending on Nardi's form, we might see Cooper recalled in January and given a chance to stake his claim.
As for Salamon, like Walsh, he needs a loan out too. I don't think he's progressing as much as he could in the DS where there are two other young keepers needing to play. |
The change from pish ball to more direct play is going to catch a lot of keepers out. We seem to be moving away from ball playing keepers to one's that are required to actually dominate their boxes physically.
Look at Brentford, the new Stoke/Wimbledon, imagine Nardi trying to deal with that long throw or aerial bombardment.
It would nice to have a goalie that could actually catch the bloody ball rather than punching. Far to Continental for my liking. | |
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| Keeper conundrum? on 18:10 - Oct 9 with 1103 views | hateley_legend |
| Keeper conundrum? on 14:27 - Oct 9 by LongRanger |
I liked Dieng but a no for me.
I think we need to cut Walsh some slack, he desperately needs a full season as #1 in L1 to learn how to play through mistakes and get the experience at that level.
Cooper has done the right things, 2 good loans, looks confident as a result, so at the moment really well placed to start next year as #1.
Nardi not perfect, but he's good enough for this season in my opinion, he'll cost us a few points, but so will any keeper we could afford to replace him with. |
I hope I'm wrong, but it's hard not to get Kelman vibes with the Cooper situation:
- Young player goes out on loan to League 1 and does (very) well, to the extent that if he were owned by the League 1 club and we were linked with signing him, we'd all be turning cartwheels;
- Except...somewhere along the line, we've managed to turn the loanee against us - at a guess, either by him not feeling sufficiently loved (see also Ryan Manning, thrilled at being booted out on loan to Rotherham), or us being lukewarm on his chances of first team minutes on return;
-Then we're into running-down-contract territory, and are forced into a corner to get whatever fee we can for a player that could potentially have gone for a lot more money or, heaven forbid, become a regular first teamer for us.
What was the strategy with Kelman? Loan him out so he could develop, come back a better player, and play in our first team, right? I'm glad - and relieved - he's died a bit of a death so far at Charlton, but I don't remember feeling jolly and upbeat when it emerged we were selling League 1's top scorer, especially to a rival with whom we'd potentially be fighting a relegation battle.
But then the likes of Eze, Chair, even Dieng had successful and career-enhancing loan spells. So why do some loans have a happy ending, and some don't? Largely the mentality of the player? | | | |
| Keeper conundrum? on 18:18 - Oct 9 with 1078 views | FDC |
Sure I read / heard someone, maybe Clive or one of the other pods, saying that the Dieng link was agent shenanigans and there wasn't anything genuine in it? |  | | |
| Keeper conundrum? on 18:42 - Oct 9 with 1021 views | Tonto |
Keeper is the weak point in our team a d we eed to make a decision soon.
Nardi is gone in the summer at the latest.
If we are still in the playoff places, I can see us going for a short-term option. But otherwise, why bother?
The long term optio s appear to be a battle bewteen Walsh and Cooper. Walsh had the upper hand but seems to be losing it.
Gut feeling is Cooper will be our keeper next year. |  |
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| Keeper conundrum? on 18:55 - Oct 9 with 998 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Keeper conundrum? on 18:18 - Oct 9 by FDC |
Sure I read / heard someone, maybe Clive or one of the other pods, saying that the Dieng link was agent shenanigans and there wasn't anything genuine in it? |
Couldn’t you have told us this AFTER the international break?
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| Keeper conundrum? on 19:51 - Oct 9 with 880 views | OakR |
I'm happy enough with Nardi as No1 personally for the rest of the season - I think overall he is decent, so I'd not sign Dieng or anyone else personally. I don't think we desperately need to get a keeper in Jan to replace him, and I don't think it would change our points total that much if we did.
I do think other keepers should go out on loan though (maybe that's easier said than done), and then we can see where we are at the end of the season. You'd expect Cooper to be first choice or No2 vying for 1st place next season. I'd not recall him and leave him where he is for the rest of the season to continue his development. | |
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| Keeper conundrum? on 21:28 - Oct 9 with 741 views | The_Beast1976 |
No. Isn't good enough to warrant going back for more | | | |
| Keeper conundrum? on 21:45 - Oct 9 with 700 views | Myke |
Walsh has been no kind of chance at all yet, so to say 'tried Walsh to no good effect' is disingenuous to say the least. Obviously the injury came at just the wrong time for him, but it seemed that he was going to learn on the job. Probably ,a case of 'wait and see' until he recovers from injury, but certainly signing Dieng would be a really bad idea. | | | |
| Keeper conundrum? on 00:02 - Oct 10 with 586 views | robith |
| Keeper conundrum? on 11:55 - Oct 9 by davman |
'Keepers don't make much money in transfer fees tour level and are bloody important. Not worried if they fall outside of the "model" to be fair. |
I've heard that Brighton believe that all the big clubs have under estimated keepers and have absolutely stacked their academy with young English goalie prospects (including Rio Ferdinand's son) so they can charge city and Chelsea £80m every four years for the privilege |  | | |
| Keeper conundrum? on 07:20 - Oct 10 with 366 views | QPROslo |
I think Dieng Was a better Keeper than we have now especially in regard to commanding the penalty area. How he is now after a 10 month injury lay-off I don't think many people can know unless you attended the recent Boro U21 game he played in as part of his come- back process, and maybe not even that. I'd certainly like to see him back if he is still as good as he was, but don't know if we can afford him or if Boro would sell him to a competitor. | | | |
| Keeper conundrum? on 08:50 - Oct 10 with 233 views | Northernr |
| Keeper conundrum? on 18:18 - Oct 9 by FDC |
Sure I read / heard someone, maybe Clive or one of the other pods, saying that the Dieng link was agent shenanigans and there wasn't anything genuine in it? |
Well I was surprised when it came up on deadline day but I do think there’s some legs in it and wouldn’t be shocked to see it happen in Jan. |  | | |
| Keeper conundrum? on 09:03 - Oct 10 with 185 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Keeper conundrum? on 08:50 - Oct 10 by Northernr |
Well I was surprised when it came up on deadline day but I do think there’s some legs in it and wouldn’t be shocked to see it happen in Jan. |
Did I dream that someone had said his attitude was off key near the end? | | | |
| Keeper conundrum? on 09:16 - Oct 10 with 147 views | eastside_r |
| Keeper conundrum? on 08:50 - Oct 10 by Northernr |
Well I was surprised when it came up on deadline day but I do think there’s some legs in it and wouldn’t be shocked to see it happen in Jan. |
Nightclubs in Middlesbrough are sh*t. |  | | |
| Keeper conundrum? on 10:35 - Oct 10 with 12 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Keeper conundrum? on 09:16 - Oct 10 by eastside_r |
Nightclubs in Middlesbrough are sh*t. |
Havana Club was pretty good in the early 2000s. | | | |
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