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When he's on it, I think he's a fantastic talent - speed of thought, lovely technique, vision, decent set-piece delivery, and real pace in his passing. But when he's off, it seems to slide fairly comprehensively.
Very early days following a long layoff so maybe the inconsistency we're seeing is to be expected?
Also, is playing on the right, but inverted his natural position, I wonder. I can see him as a creative midfielder, wide player (not a winger, maybe), an attacking midfielder, but is his current position where we see him in the long-term?
Will I ever run out of question marks?
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Still think he would be better as a CM or 10, something he said JS and he had agreed on.
A little wasted out wide as he lacks pace and I expect Poku to take his place. I wonder if he will eventually end up in CM, with him as 8 and Madsen holding?
He was very poor today and with the benefit of hindsight Saito or Dembele would’ve been better starters. But he has been excellent in the previous few games so hopefully just a one off poor performance. Should’ve been hooked at half time along with Frey.
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The Harvey Vale Conundrum on 20:25 - Oct 18 with 2722 views
You might be right, could be lack of game time. Frustrating for the manager though as you can't rely on him so would you pick him? So good sometimes and so poor art others.
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The Harvey Vale Conundrum on 20:26 - Oct 18 with 2720 views
I like him and think as said by others a more central role may suit him. His delivery today into the box was the poorest seen from him so far. But do think he will continue improving and may well turn out as a great investment when he gets sold.
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The Harvey Vale Conundrum on 20:33 - Oct 18 with 2650 views
Is he playing any better than he was at the start of last season? Why does Madsen have to do all of his work? Why did Morgan look a far better fit for the role than Varane?
Perhaps I'm being unfairly critical, but I would sugest that his valuation is dropping with every appearance.
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The Harvey Vale Conundrum on 20:36 - Oct 18 with 2628 views
The Harvey Vale Conundrum on 20:26 - Oct 18 by NorthantsHoop
I like him and think as said by others a more central role may suit him. His delivery today into the box was the poorest seen from him so far. But do think he will continue improving and may well turn out as a great investment when he gets sold.
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Like a few other players today, I really think he should have been a substitution brought on later in the game. I really like him and he can definitely put a great ball in, but I don't think he's a starter. I found the starting line up all wrong today - really frustrating, especially after building up a head of steam over the last few games...
I agree with Brian that at the moment he's either very good or not very good. Today was the latter. He's only just turned 22 and is still getting used to the Championship. His footballing intelligence is excellent, and I am confident he will develop into a valuable asset for us.
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The Harvey Vale Conundrum on 21:06 - Oct 18 with 2466 views
The Harvey Vale Conundrum on 20:25 - Oct 18 by nix
You might be right, could be lack of game time. Frustrating for the manager though as you can't rely on him so would you pick him? So good sometimes and so poor art others.
There was a brief cameo today, Nix, that seemed to sum up his rustiness.
It was early in the second half down the right wing/inside right channel and the ball came to him and he laid it off first-touch, nice weight, so quick, and it was the kind of pass that made you think of really insanely talented players of the last ten years - Eze, Willock, Chair, Ball - then it came back to him and he played another forward pass, overhit, and it ran out for a goal kick.
Just rusty, hopefully.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
The Harvey Vale Conundrum on 21:13 - Oct 18 by BrianMcCarthy
There was a brief cameo today, Nix, that seemed to sum up his rustiness.
It was early in the second half down the right wing/inside right channel and the ball came to him and he laid it off first-touch, nice weight, so quick, and it was the kind of pass that made you think of really insanely talented players of the last ten years - Eze, Willock, Chair, Ball - then it came back to him and he played another forward pass, overhit, and it ran out for a goal kick.
Just rusty, hopefully.
Yes rusty. And also playing a different type of defence than he's maybe used to playing for Chels Academy boys. Millwall on the industrial side of physical and you need nous as well as talent to unlock their defence.
That ball he hit straight out was infuriating.
Another thing was they packed the defence more on Smyth's side leaving Harvey with a decent amount of space at times but he didn't maximize those opportunities.
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The Harvey Vale Conundrum on 21:29 - Oct 18 with 2346 views
I think it was a surprise that his deliveries weren't as expected. But I thought Kone was off it as well today, and I wouldn't have left him out either. But like Kone, I'd keep him in the starting 11 wherever possible.
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The Harvey Vale Conundrum on 21:44 - Oct 18 with 2277 views
I was a little surprised that, early on, he was taking corners and FKs from the right side. They really didn't work very well, and Madsen took over as usual. To me Vale seems to be better when in possession and running at defenders.
Re: Varane: I don't understand why, when given the ball going forward he regularly turns around, or looks to do so, when there's no apparent need. It just slows down our offence.
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The Harvey Vale Conundrum on 21:48 - Oct 18 with 2235 views
Good discussion. I think the inconsistency has to be expected as it comes with youth. Not youth in age, but youth in terms of Championship experience. We have often talked on here about the different milestones that you expect to hit when you have 50, 75, 100 Championship games under your belt. Like others I feel he is not in his best position out wide, but then he delivered a killer ball into the box that led to Kone's equaliser v BC and scored a fine goal coming in from the right v Stoke. I would like to see him more central, deeper than a 10, more an 8 perhaps, but not sure he has the engine for that. Talented player, but not the finished article yet
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The Harvey Vale Conundrum on 22:02 - Oct 18 with 2167 views
But he was very poor today. His final ball was dreadful. Just one of those days I think. Every cross and ball into the box was woeful. Nothing worked.
I don’t think he’s a winger, and, if he is, it’s not as a right winger.
I think he’ll end up playing central midfield as the ball player. He reads the game well and has a bit of class. Today was not his day. Early days though.
I’d really prefer us to play with at least one “winger” on their natural flank (e.g. right footer on the right), so we have more width to stretch the opposition across the pitch more, and have someone who can beat their man on the outside and deliver and away swinger or get to the byline and pull it back/fizz it across with their strongest foot.
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The Harvey Vale Conundrum on 22:56 - Oct 18 with 1998 views
I’d have Vale ahead of Dembele every day. Mad thing is - when we signed him with his broken back, wasn’t he being touted as a left back?!?!?????? (You’ve got me at it now)
I don’t see him as a 10 role I hope not as we’ve got loads of them I think he’ll be fine and develop into a good player regularly turning out 6.5/10 performances and very often 8/10’s when he’s bang on it and at his silky best.
Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal
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The Harvey Vale Conundrum on 23:31 - Oct 18 with 1930 views
The Harvey Vale Conundrum on 22:56 - Oct 18 by Lblock
McCarthy the Riddler……….?
I’d have Vale ahead of Dembele every day. Mad thing is - when we signed him with his broken back, wasn’t he being touted as a left back?!?!?????? (You’ve got me at it now)
I don’t see him as a 10 role I hope not as we’ve got loads of them I think he’ll be fine and develop into a good player regularly turning out 6.5/10 performances and very often 8/10’s when he’s bang on it and at his silky best.
Yet somewhat ironicabbly (sp?) Dembele played the killer ball for our only goal today. So role's reversed there.
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The Harvey Vale Conundrum on 23:39 - Oct 18 with 1902 views
HV much more comfortable central. But he’s Mr. Versatile and was filling in for jet-lagged players today. Small margins of error - no one was on it today. 6 points from the next 2 games and all will be forgotten.
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The Harvey Vale Conundrum on 23:49 - Oct 18 with 1875 views
Still think he would be better as a CM or 10, something he said JS and he had agreed on.
A little wasted out wide as he lacks pace and I expect Poku to take his place. I wonder if he will eventually end up in CM, with him as 8 and Madsen holding?
100% agree, he’s not a wide player, either a 10 or CM.
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The Harvey Vale Conundrum on 02:54 - Oct 19 with 1633 views
Vale was poor yesterday. I couldn't understand why he kept taking corners and free kicks from the right when on the occasions Madsen took them they were so much better. I was surprised Vale and Frey came out for the 2nd half when we had good alternatives on the Bench, we were a lot better when they were subbed. JS didn't get us right until it was too late today, maybe in part because of jetlag. Vale will have better days again I hope.
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The Harvey Vale Conundrum on 06:58 - Oct 19 with 1487 views
I'm casting Matt Damon as the protagonist, with an overbearing Billy Bob Thornton as his coach/mentor/nemisis. Directed by the Coen Brothers, possibly in blsck and white?
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The Harvey Vale Conundrum on 09:41 - Oct 19 with 1243 views
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