| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 23:19 - Oct 22 with 1319 views | wwcigne |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 23:14 - Oct 22 by Treforys_Jack |
You are Mrs Sheehan and I claim my prize.
Seriously though, we've improved the squad dramatically, the manager has been responsible for making wrong selections, wrong tactics, poor predictable substitutions, and generally boring the pants off everyone. He'll be out on his backside if things dont improve very quickly, which is a massive shame. |
That should be an UP arrow because you’re right, apologise,fat fingers and old eyes ,sorry mate |  | |  |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 23:31 - Oct 22 with 1238 views | Fireboy2 |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 23:02 - Oct 22 by Dr_Winston |
I don't know who does what so I'm not going to point specific fingers. It just has to be better or changes will be made. |
They are chalk and cheese, sheehan is quiet whilst o'dea is very vocal.
It seems to me that o',dea wears the trousers and makes most of the decisions as we have gone from being a get the ball forward quickly to a side thats p!sses about with ball at the back this has only occurred since he came as assistant. |  | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 23:35 - Oct 22 with 1224 views | Dr_Winston |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 23:31 - Oct 22 by Fireboy2 |
They are chalk and cheese, sheehan is quiet whilst o'dea is very vocal.
It seems to me that o',dea wears the trousers and makes most of the decisions as we have gone from being a get the ball forward quickly to a side thats p!sses about with ball at the back this has only occurred since he came as assistant. |
You've got some insight that I haven't had so I won't refute it. O'Dea has spent a lot of time working with Brendan Rodgers and we know full well that his preference is for a possession heavy style. Perhaps an increasingly outdated style. [Post edited 22 Oct 23:37]
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| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 23:39 - Oct 22 with 1199 views | Fireboy2 |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 23:35 - Oct 22 by Dr_Winston |
You've got some insight that I haven't had so I won't refute it. O'Dea has spent a lot of time working with Brendan Rodgers and we know full well that his preference is for a possession heavy style. Perhaps an increasingly outdated style. [Post edited 22 Oct 23:37]
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Its just something ive noticed when watching them on the sidelines.
I was thinking the same re him being at celtic with Rodgers
We have changed our style from last season and thats only since o'dea came on board.
If this is the case then sheehan needs to show a bit of backbone and try and go back to what got him success last season. | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 00:18 - Oct 23 with 1095 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 20:45 - Oct 22 by KeithHaynes |
There needs to be caution on Sheehan. However, this wasn’t a good first half performance not only after Malick was sent off but before. It looked as clueless no matter the amount of players on the pitch.
On this showing, unless somebody gets a grip on the pitch we will throw this away. A second half to come and Swansea players need to show character.
As our OP stated.
He isn’t helping.
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We have seen this type of performance many times before, for one I didn't see the Southampton game although it sound similar to the Leicester game amd that first half before the sending off.
The cries for Key and Ronald to be dropped listened to but the same ineffectual game plan, this wasn't the one adopted by Sheehan as caretaker manager this team has seen the same forward runs off the defenders shoulder by players most noteable Idah tonight ignored, two midfielders sitting in high position in the channels between their centre backs and fullback and I mean sitting static, the gap between them and Stamenic massive no support for the wingers given balls with backs to the opposition goals midfielder ahead of them or sitting in front of the centrebacks, resulting in the same old safe option to pass backwards. A team unable to press or make a tackle in the midfield and yet with ten men against 11 we can press as well as could be expected, get challenges in to stop making the opposition possession easy, they had it in the first half and both previous games.
You can look at Sheehan's team last season it was different, it had O'Brien bossing the midfield encouraging his team mates to up the tempo in their game get challenges in. It has become apparent that when Galbraith in the middle of the park he gets the tempo of the game up the team looks different, Stamenic seems to be coasting because that is the tempo that has been set. Both Franco and Yalcouye looked unaccustomed to what they were asked to do when Cullen and Widell came on they did, Inoussa and Galbraith looked just as bad as Ronald and Key.in the same positions, Eom tried to inject a bit of movement but it wasn't supported in the middle, his runs across their defence, who had plenty of time to regroup, had no options to change the point of the attack and yet with ten men we can pull their defence about in a way that look previously impossible.
Hope we see more of Widell because in his last preformance I think he came on as a sub but he looked as if had become use to the game in the Championship and yet because of new arrivals gets dumped, I thought he linked up well with the players around him and our 10 against 11 men created chances.
Yes QPR could of scored more but the previous way we played with 11 men they were ust as likely to score.
Really think with the midfield tempo being higher it makes a big difference weren't we well in the game against Birmingham and Blackburn, narrowly losing to Birmingham as they shut our midfield down.
We cannot expect an inexperienced Galbraith at Championship level to be able to control the midfield just yet but with Stamenic's help, Widell and Franco alternating to keep that tempo up because we seem a much better team when we do.
Rant over.
I though Idah had his best game for us in hold the ball up but didn't have the players around him to take advantage of his play. | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 00:27 - Oct 23 with 1086 views | vetchonian |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 23:39 - Oct 22 by Fireboy2 |
Its just something ive noticed when watching them on the sidelines.
I was thinking the same re him being at celtic with Rodgers
We have changed our style from last season and thats only since o'dea came on board.
If this is the case then sheehan needs to show a bit of backbone and try and go back to what got him success last season. |
maybe he should have done more to keep Fotheringham
Maybe it was he who was the architect of our success after Williams.
As you say though Sheean is head coach he should be dictating the tactics.
The question remains though why hasnt he done so......its been obvious to us fans things have changed with the football dull boring and ineffective so different to that we saw under his leadership last season yet it appears Sheehan continues to allow his asssistant to call the tune when its his head in the block.
Sorry I dint buy it...if he wants to be the No1 he has to make the calls and despite some changes in personnel and shape tonight the cautious approach was still evident... | |
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| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 07:20 - Oct 23 with 838 views | SgorioFruit |
I’ll sum it up in a few words…
We’re shite with or without the red card.
Vipotnik and Widell did more in three minutes than the whole team did for 90 minutes. Why didn’t they start?
Apparently attendance was over 14000, looked more like 8000.
Also if you’re the manager don’t give your player a cuddle after getting a stupid red card and throwing the game away.
We’ll be nothing more than mid table, and that’s if we’re lucky. [Post edited 23 Oct 7:22]
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| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 07:29 - Oct 23 with 823 views | bennytheblue |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 07:20 - Oct 23 by SgorioFruit |
I’ll sum it up in a few words…
We’re shite with or without the red card.
Vipotnik and Widell did more in three minutes than the whole team did for 90 minutes. Why didn’t they start?
Apparently attendance was over 14000, looked more like 8000.
Also if you’re the manager don’t give your player a cuddle after getting a stupid red card and throwing the game away.
We’ll be nothing more than mid table, and that’s if we’re lucky. [Post edited 23 Oct 7:22]
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How many? Oh dear. |  | | |
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| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 07:44 - Oct 23 with 777 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 07:29 - Oct 23 by bennytheblue |
How many? Oh dear. |
I would rather support a club in the Championship with 14,000 in attendance than a league one club with a 20,000 attendance. Football is not about the size of a crowd but where a club currently are in the rankings, be it national, European or on a World stage. It all comes down to one's perception and ambition. Bournemouth is a prime example, would I swap positions with them, yes 100%. |  | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 08:07 - Oct 23 with 688 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 00:27 - Oct 23 by vetchonian |
maybe he should have done more to keep Fotheringham
Maybe it was he who was the architect of our success after Williams.
As you say though Sheean is head coach he should be dictating the tactics.
The question remains though why hasnt he done so......its been obvious to us fans things have changed with the football dull boring and ineffective so different to that we saw under his leadership last season yet it appears Sheehan continues to allow his asssistant to call the tune when its his head in the block.
Sorry I dint buy it...if he wants to be the No1 he has to make the calls and despite some changes in personnel and shape tonight the cautious approach was still evident... |
If this was Williams, Duff or Martin, nobody would be speculating on O’Dea/Fotheringham, pretending we signed a raft of poor players in the summer or anything else.
Deliberately or not, people are searching for reasons to exonerate Sheehan because of the incredible job he did last season.
He’s struggling. I thought he’d put it right last night and he did try something different, with Galbraith at right back and Inoussa on the right, but it was just more of the same. Even before the red, two penalty shouts and not a serious shot on goal.
He just gets outfoxed every game | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 08:08 - Oct 23 with 685 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 07:29 - Oct 23 by bennytheblue |
How many? Oh dear. |
There he is.
However many of us were there, every single one is ten times the fan you’ll ever be | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 08:40 - Oct 23 with 603 views | wwcigne |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 23:35 - Oct 22 by Dr_Winston |
You've got some insight that I haven't had so I won't refute it. O'Dea has spent a lot of time working with Brendan Rodgers and we know full well that his preference is for a possession heavy style. Perhaps an increasingly outdated style. [Post edited 22 Oct 23:37]
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You’re right about Roger’s stubborn possession is everything style at Celtic ,last weekend they had 82% with 700 passes to Falkirks 18% with 150 passes
Oh yeah Celtic lost 2:0 !!!!!!
If O’Dea is responsible for the boring dross we’re seeing Sheehan needs to grow a pair and bin him | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 08:53 - Oct 23 with 547 views | swan65split |
I was surprised at the team picked yesterday, and the eventual changes in subs says to me "lost"
its been 10 games or so now, and we seem to be getting worse, 80% of the players appear to have gone backwards , our style has reverted to side side. forwards , back, 2 efforts wasnt it on goal, both by the subs?
He seems a a nice chap, but what we are seeing is pure dross gross, poo.
TBH ive not felt like this since watching Greggs side. |  | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 09:00 - Oct 23 with 529 views | RichardO |
If you look at the the first angle on the replay from behind the QPR player his head is seen to move forward in a small butting action but the linesman can't see it. The Swansea player stupidly reaction with forward movement with the whole of his body rather than a butt, the QPR players has bought the sending off. If the QPR play has done nothing wrong then why was he booked? Initial confrontation or simulation if it is both then two bookings means a sending off, either way a booking or a sending off for each play officials duped and yet again seems quick to penalise the Swans. As has been said before opposition players duping players but we give them the opportunities, what really riles me up is opposition teams break up forward play with blocking actions off the ball but we are not strong or wise enough to do it correctly, lack of championship experience by some, I will include officials in that as well.
Swansea really need to up the tempo and movement of their game be it in or out of possession. Especially high up the park you either get a challenge in early making it hard for the opposition to play out from the back giving free kicks away deep in their half keeping pressure on instead of missing the opportunity then having chasing back and making desperate challenges give the opportunity for players to buy free kicks deep in our half or even worst pull our defenders out of position because of poor tracking back.
It does seem as if our fullbacks are being asked to hold the wingers up to allow our recovering midfielders/ wingers time to get back in position but we are not doing that well enough letting the opposition into the box as we get out numbered. The full backs need to make a decision to stop their wingers either getting in the box or letting the crosses in at the moment they struggle to do either they really need to get tighter earlier. | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 09:14 - Oct 23 with 486 views | bennytheblue |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 07:44 - Oct 23 by Whiterockin |
I would rather support a club in the Championship with 14,000 in attendance than a league one club with a 20,000 attendance. Football is not about the size of a crowd but where a club currently are in the rankings, be it national, European or on a World stage. It all comes down to one's perception and ambition. Bournemouth is a prime example, would I swap positions with them, yes 100%. |
Talking of swapping positions, now that would be funny. I can’t see it though, we haven’t enough warriors to get us through this season. One thing about the no shows, apparently that is not happening so much at the CCS this season ( not that I’d know eh?) on weekends anyway, if it says 20,000, it is 20, whereas last few years 1000’s wouldn’t show like at yours last night. | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 09:15 - Oct 23 with 481 views | Fireboy2 |
After a good nights sleep, im thinking there is no way sheehan is changing this around, most teams in the championship have changed some of their personnel, we have won our games against the poorest teams in the league, norwich are one of them, even if we beat them we are still poor, I honestly believe that sheehan cannot change it around, unfortunately its gone too far, we have 3 really tough games after norwich which I think we will lose all 3, we need to change asap before it gets worse. | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 09:23 - Oct 23 with 433 views | DoubeDoube |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 09:14 - Oct 23 by bennytheblue |
Talking of swapping positions, now that would be funny. I can’t see it though, we haven’t enough warriors to get us through this season. One thing about the no shows, apparently that is not happening so much at the CCS this season ( not that I’d know eh?) on weekends anyway, if it says 20,000, it is 20, whereas last few years 1000’s wouldn’t show like at yours last night. |
Mate, why do you spend so much time on here? its really odd. |  | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 09:36 - Oct 23 with 377 views | Thrasher6 |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 09:15 - Oct 23 by Fireboy2 |
After a good nights sleep, im thinking there is no way sheehan is changing this around, most teams in the championship have changed some of their personnel, we have won our games against the poorest teams in the league, norwich are one of them, even if we beat them we are still poor, I honestly believe that sheehan cannot change it around, unfortunately its gone too far, we have 3 really tough games after norwich which I think we will lose all 3, we need to change asap before it gets worse. |
I'm totally of the same opinion. Good post. |  |
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| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 09:42 - Oct 23 with 354 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 09:15 - Oct 23 by Fireboy2 |
After a good nights sleep, im thinking there is no way sheehan is changing this around, most teams in the championship have changed some of their personnel, we have won our games against the poorest teams in the league, norwich are one of them, even if we beat them we are still poor, I honestly believe that sheehan cannot change it around, unfortunately its gone too far, we have 3 really tough games after norwich which I think we will lose all 3, we need to change asap before it gets worse. |
Sheehan needs time work out why we koik as if we onky have one player un the nidfuekd at times? If you have three players there then we shouldn't ve even nice so if you include our wingers, 5 players in the midfield? | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 09:46 - Oct 23 with 328 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 09:42 - Oct 23 by RichardO |
Sheehan needs time work out why we koik as if we onky have one player un the nidfuekd at times? If you have three players there then we shouldn't ve even nice so if you include our wingers, 5 players in the midfield? |
He’s had plenty of time and he hasn’t worked it out. I’m not sure another month will make much difference.
All three of them are very good midfielders | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread on 09:50 - Oct 23 with 321 views | vetchonian |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread on 21:15 - Oct 21 by builthjack |
The Man City game immediately attracted the PL plastics.
I am 100% certain , and being in sales and marketing myself, successfully, that if the club employed someone who is an expert in that field, there would be a few thousand extra bums on seats every game. |
I am interested to hear how you would go about marketing and selling the lacklustre product currently on offer...which is starting to turn away many loyal customers...to the untapped market which you believe is out there? [Post edited 23 Oct 10:43]
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| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread on 09:56 - Oct 23 with 286 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread on 09:50 - Oct 23 by vetchonian |
I am interested to hear how you would go about marketing and selling the lacklustre product currently on offer...which is starting to turn away many loyal customers...to the untapped market which you believe is out there? [Post edited 23 Oct 10:43]
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Many season ticket holders didn't bother to turn up last night so the attendance was artificially inflated. It's no good trying to attract more supporters if we can't hold what we have. The product on show has to improve quickly or it will be another lost season. | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread on 10:05 - Oct 23 with 255 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread on 09:50 - Oct 23 by vetchonian |
I am interested to hear how you would go about marketing and selling the lacklustre product currently on offer...which is starting to turn away many loyal customers...to the untapped market which you believe is out there? [Post edited 23 Oct 10:43]
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There are absolutely not a few thousand people in Swansea who don’t go because they don’t know when we’re playing.
I’m no expert in that field, but for me, focus should be on…
Retaining existing support. If we keep playing like we are, people will start to drift away. That’s people who are genuinely interested choosing not to go. You can’t do that with banners, it’s simply results and performances
Creating new support. Getting Cyril, LT10, even current players into communities - schools, hospitals, kids half term football camps, even large employers like call centres. Capture the kids interest and that may make the parents take them. A meet and greet in Amazon or Admiral may generate some interest.
Of course we should be shouting about upcoming games all over the city. I just don’t think people who aren’t interested in us is a great market. | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 10:18 - Oct 23 with 225 views | Legend83 |
The sending off was frustrating but seemingly not a huge turning point given a) we didn't concede again, and b) we seemed to match QPR for momentum in the second half, three times coming close to scoring in the last 5 minutes.
It was actually more alarming how turd we were in the 35 minutes leading up to the red. Franco and Malick miles up the pitch, Stamenic standing next to/jogging with two markers, meant Cabango and Burgess knocked it from side to side before launching it long and wide towards our two shortest and weakest players! Absolutely genius tactics!
Idah is not Ronaldo, he is not going to make something out of nothing, and he is suffering from the same issue that a procession of strikers at Swansea City have for a long time - zero service.[u/]
I thought he worked hard and had good hold up play last night. [Post edited 23 Oct 10:19]
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| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 10:53 - Oct 23 with 120 views | swan65split |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day thread UPDATED on 09:00 - Oct 23 by RichardO |
If you look at the the first angle on the replay from behind the QPR player his head is seen to move forward in a small butting action but the linesman can't see it. The Swansea player stupidly reaction with forward movement with the whole of his body rather than a butt, the QPR players has bought the sending off. If the QPR play has done nothing wrong then why was he booked? Initial confrontation or simulation if it is both then two bookings means a sending off, either way a booking or a sending off for each play officials duped and yet again seems quick to penalise the Swans. As has been said before opposition players duping players but we give them the opportunities, what really riles me up is opposition teams break up forward play with blocking actions off the ball but we are not strong or wise enough to do it correctly, lack of championship experience by some, I will include officials in that as well.
Swansea really need to up the tempo and movement of their game be it in or out of possession. Especially high up the park you either get a challenge in early making it hard for the opposition to play out from the back giving free kicks away deep in their half keeping pressure on instead of missing the opportunity then having chasing back and making desperate challenges give the opportunity for players to buy free kicks deep in our half or even worst pull our defenders out of position because of poor tracking back.
It does seem as if our fullbacks are being asked to hold the wingers up to allow our recovering midfielders/ wingers time to get back in position but we are not doing that well enough letting the opposition into the box as we get out numbered. The full backs need to make a decision to stop their wingers either getting in the box or letting the crosses in at the moment they struggle to do either they really need to get tighter earlier. |
Both players should have gone, | | | |
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