| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient 12:00 - Feb 8 with 60363 views | DannyPaddox |
Up against Man City in the FFS that was offside FA Cup. I prepare to stand corrected but I think Charlie is still our player but as I take as much interest in modern football players contracts and transfers as I do in mobile phone contracts I could be wrong. Either way seems like a good lad and having a decent season with a club I like so up the O’s!
Up against a central defender today in Ruben Dias who’s worth approx £75 mil … would love to see Charlie meg him. [Post edited 8 Feb 12:07]
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| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 08:56 - Apr 1 with 2388 views | CamberleyR |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 15:34 - Mar 31 by gazza1 |
Good, I hope he does get signed/transferred to another Championship Club, more money for QPR and one off the books who struggles in the Championship. |
As somebody else pointed out, in his 20 odd appearances for QPR the sum total of minutes equates to about four full games. No one can say with 100% certainty that he "struggles in the Championship" as he's hardly played. |  |
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| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 10:42 - Apr 1 with 2191 views | KensalT |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 08:56 - Apr 1 by CamberleyR |
As somebody else pointed out, in his 20 odd appearances for QPR the sum total of minutes equates to about four full games. No one can say with 100% certainty that he "struggles in the Championship" as he's hardly played. |
"No one can say with 100% certainty that he "struggles in the Championship" as he's hardly played."
On that logic we might as well bring Niko Hamalainen back. He averaged less than four league games a season in his eight years here!
We signed Kelman in 2020. Five different managers looked at him and decided he wasn't the answer to our chronic goalscoring problem.
I think he has done enough this season to deserve another chance to show he can do it in the Championship (assuming we're still in the Championship next season.) But we really need him to hit the ground running. |  | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 12:36 - Apr 1 with 2008 views | robith |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 10:42 - Apr 1 by KensalT |
"No one can say with 100% certainty that he "struggles in the Championship" as he's hardly played."
On that logic we might as well bring Niko Hamalainen back. He averaged less than four league games a season in his eight years here!
We signed Kelman in 2020. Five different managers looked at him and decided he wasn't the answer to our chronic goalscoring problem.
I think he has done enough this season to deserve another chance to show he can do it in the Championship (assuming we're still in the Championship next season.) But we really need him to hit the ground running. |
"Five different managers looked at him and decided he wasn't the answer to our chronic goalscoring problem."
He's only 23 though mate |  | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 12:42 - Apr 1 with 1964 views | gazza1 |
It isn't just about scoring goals........
pace, showing up for the ball, making good runs, using the ball intelligently, passing the ball, work rate, strength, bravery, defending, impact he has on games, etc, etc, etc...........they are all important skills needed to play football at the level that we are talking about. | | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 13:00 - Apr 1 with 1938 views | KensalT |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 12:36 - Apr 1 by robith |
"Five different managers looked at him and decided he wasn't the answer to our chronic goalscoring problem."
He's only 23 though mate |
"He's only 23 though mate"
Clive Allen and Adel Taarabt were both younger than that when they were tearing up the second tier for us.
OK, they were exceptional talents and no one expects Kelman to reach their level.
But the game really has gone soft if we're giving players a free pass up until the age of 23.
Most players peak before they're 30. Gary Lineker and Michael Owen were both retired at 32.
I'm being slightly tongue in cheek.
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I think the real problem is the way we have been developing our younger players in recent years.
I see a lot of reports about Kelman saying he has bulked up this season and looks stronger. Was that our decision or did Orient do that? And if it was us then why didn't we do it sooner?
Kelman deserves a lot of credit for going out on loan and working hard to make that chance work for him. I hope he gets the chance to show what he can do for us and I hope he takes it. | | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:05 - Apr 1 with 1769 views | Northernr |
I suspect Charlie's at his level, which is why he's scoring goals in a decent team.
But I'd rather he was playing up front at Stoke on Saturday than what we're currently scraping by with. |  | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:12 - Apr 1 with 1749 views | KensalT |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:05 - Apr 1 by Northernr |
I suspect Charlie's at his level, which is why he's scoring goals in a decent team.
But I'd rather he was playing up front at Stoke on Saturday than what we're currently scraping by with. |
Not The Top 20 certainly didn't pull any punches:
“It’s eight defeats in their last 11 or five in their last six,” said Not The Top 20’s Ali Maxwell in this week's podcast. “It’s very, very ugly. The starting XI looks an absolute mess. I just think for whatever reason for the last few years, however they try to shape their squad, they just end up with so little depth. I don’t really back the depth that QPR have when Steve Cook is out, Ilias Chair is out, Michael Frey is out. All of a sudden, the team looks like the worst starting XI in the league and it’s reflected in a poor performance.”
https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-qpr-cham | | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:15 - Apr 1 with 1743 views | Northernr |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:12 - Apr 1 by KensalT |
Not The Top 20 certainly didn't pull any punches:
“It’s eight defeats in their last 11 or five in their last six,” said Not The Top 20’s Ali Maxwell in this week's podcast. “It’s very, very ugly. The starting XI looks an absolute mess. I just think for whatever reason for the last few years, however they try to shape their squad, they just end up with so little depth. I don’t really back the depth that QPR have when Steve Cook is out, Ilias Chair is out, Michael Frey is out. All of a sudden, the team looks like the worst starting XI in the league and it’s reflected in a poor performance.”
https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-qpr-cham |
Spot on. The two big misses are Cook and Field. Without them we're absolutely spineless. | | | |
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| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:56 - Apr 1 with 1629 views | BAWHoops |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:12 - Apr 1 by KensalT |
Not The Top 20 certainly didn't pull any punches:
“It’s eight defeats in their last 11 or five in their last six,” said Not The Top 20’s Ali Maxwell in this week's podcast. “It’s very, very ugly. The starting XI looks an absolute mess. I just think for whatever reason for the last few years, however they try to shape their squad, they just end up with so little depth. I don’t really back the depth that QPR have when Steve Cook is out, Ilias Chair is out, Michael Frey is out. All of a sudden, the team looks like the worst starting XI in the league and it’s reflected in a poor performance.”
https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-qpr-cham |
This is 100% where we are. Chair, Field and Cook out (plus JCS) means the waifs and strays need to step and they just aren't good enough.
We knew that anyway, Paal, Smyth, Colback, Fox are players that should be coming off the bench not who you are resting your hopes of a result on! |  |
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| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:57 - Apr 1 with 1628 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:15 - Apr 1 by Northernr |
Spot on. The two big misses are Cook and Field. Without them we're absolutely spineless. |
Absolutely, always said we would miss Cook hugely if he wasn't there. And we do desperately, notwithstanding his worse form with his injury. And Field is a vital cog, total unsung hero. Never understand it when his value is questioned. |  | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 15:42 - Apr 1 with 1508 views | kensalriser |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:05 - Apr 1 by Northernr |
I suspect Charlie's at his level, which is why he's scoring goals in a decent team.
But I'd rather he was playing up front at Stoke on Saturday than what we're currently scraping by with. |
Your first sentence may well be right.
Sure, he made no impact for us. But the facts have changed since he last played in a Championship game. We're in no position to spurn a player who is one of the top scorers in League 1 and already ours. |  |
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| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 15:45 - Apr 1 with 1498 views | Paddyhoops |
Field works his arse off which is a dam side more than the majority of the starting eleven achieved against Stoke . He’s had his poor games but not through lack of effort. | | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 16:04 - Apr 1 with 1449 views | Northernr |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 15:42 - Apr 1 by kensalriser |
Your first sentence may well be right.
Sure, he made no impact for us. But the facts have changed since he last played in a Championship game. We're in no position to spurn a player who is one of the top scorers in League 1 and already ours. |
Agree. | | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 16:41 - Apr 1 with 1332 views | Gloucs_R |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:05 - Apr 1 by Northernr |
I suspect Charlie's at his level, which is why he's scoring goals in a decent team.
But I'd rather he was playing up front at Stoke on Saturday than what we're currently scraping by with. |
He may be at his level but none of the other strikers we have are playing at their level currently 😉 |  |
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| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 16:43 - Apr 1 with 1330 views | andrew1302 |
Why do people think we are certaInly in the Championship next year. If over the next week we have to put up with 2 more Stokes and Anderson and Madsen are picked we could well be saying he will be a good front man for League 1 | | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 18:13 - Apr 1 with 1163 views | Superhoops2808 |
I am at a loss when it comes to people saying we missing Steve Cook? Much of our points this season came when he was out injured - And we have only won twice since he came back into the side.
Field I agree, but I am sorry the loss of Cook is not the reason behind our recent lack of form. |  | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 18:54 - Apr 1 with 1100 views | mart_Goblin |
Got done by my son earlier who told me that we’d recalled Kelman due to our injury crisis up front .
Bloody April fools
Thought it was a good idea actually |  | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 18:57 - Apr 1 with 1085 views | Northernr |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 18:13 - Apr 1 by Superhoops2808 |
I am at a loss when it comes to people saying we missing Steve Cook? Much of our points this season came when he was out injured - And we have only won twice since he came back into the side.
Field I agree, but I am sorry the loss of Cook is not the reason behind our recent lack of form. |
Not sure that stacks up - we've won 11 times this year, Steve Cook started 7 of those. | | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 19:33 - Apr 1 with 1029 views | numptydumpty |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 18:57 - Apr 1 by Northernr |
Not sure that stacks up - we've won 11 times this year, Steve Cook started 7 of those. |
Charlie boy is on sky sports again this evening, performing away at the mighty Burton.Albion
One for the connoisseurs !!! (Thank God for Spell Checkers) [Post edited 1 Apr 19:55]
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| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 19:57 - Apr 1 with 966 views | numptydumpty |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 19:33 - Apr 1 by numptydumpty |
Charlie boy is on sky sports again this evening, performing away at the mighty Burton.Albion
One for the connoisseurs !!! (Thank God for Spell Checkers) [Post edited 1 Apr 19:55]
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Would say you could give that as an assist to Kelman.
Good strong battle and shot by Charlie, rebound from goalies save is tapped in.
Playing though at the local park with ground and attendance to match... [Post edited 1 Apr 19:58]
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| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 21:07 - Apr 1 with 859 views | Superhoops2808 |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 18:57 - Apr 1 by Northernr |
Not sure that stacks up - we've won 11 times this year, Steve Cook started 7 of those. |
Yep - My bad
But I still feel that since he came back from injury he has not looked as good as he was even if he has scored a few goals. Other than Field there has to be another reason
Anyway, back to Kelman... For me he has to be starting next season with us for at least the first 10 game and given a fair shout. | | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 21:22 - Apr 1 with 798 views | GaryHaddock |
Well they fcked that up. |  | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 21:45 - Apr 1 with 729 views | Hunterhoop |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 21:07 - Apr 1 by Superhoops2808 |
Yep - My bad
But I still feel that since he came back from injury he has not looked as good as he was even if he has scored a few goals. Other than Field there has to be another reason
Anyway, back to Kelman... For me he has to be starting next season with us for at least the first 10 game and given a fair shout. |
Cook has, himself, not been playing at the same level for after his injury.
However, the point both I and Clive have tried to make is that Cook and Field add value outside their personal performance. They instill the standards in this team in terms of positional discipline, work rate, physicality. They aren’t perfect. They have the odd bad game. Field’s passing is mediocre and Cook’s legs are going. But watch how they interact with their teammates during games. They are constantly talking to teammates and pointing where people need to be. They organise everyone around them because they read the game, especially when we don’t have the ball, so much better than everyone else in the squad. You spend half the game without the ball so these leaders, organisers and standard setters are critical.
Without them, everyone just coasts. |  | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 21:51 - Apr 1 with 688 views | Mick_S |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 21:45 - Apr 1 by Hunterhoop |
Cook has, himself, not been playing at the same level for after his injury.
However, the point both I and Clive have tried to make is that Cook and Field add value outside their personal performance. They instill the standards in this team in terms of positional discipline, work rate, physicality. They aren’t perfect. They have the odd bad game. Field’s passing is mediocre and Cook’s legs are going. But watch how they interact with their teammates during games. They are constantly talking to teammates and pointing where people need to be. They organise everyone around them because they read the game, especially when we don’t have the ball, so much better than everyone else in the squad. You spend half the game without the ball so these leaders, organisers and standard setters are critical.
Without them, everyone just coasts. |
Spot on. As mentioned quite a few times, we are so much weaker when they are not available. |  |
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| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 22:43 - Apr 1 with 572 views | kensalriser |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 21:45 - Apr 1 by Hunterhoop |
Cook has, himself, not been playing at the same level for after his injury.
However, the point both I and Clive have tried to make is that Cook and Field add value outside their personal performance. They instill the standards in this team in terms of positional discipline, work rate, physicality. They aren’t perfect. They have the odd bad game. Field’s passing is mediocre and Cook’s legs are going. But watch how they interact with their teammates during games. They are constantly talking to teammates and pointing where people need to be. They organise everyone around them because they read the game, especially when we don’t have the ball, so much better than everyone else in the squad. You spend half the game without the ball so these leaders, organisers and standard setters are critical.
Without them, everyone just coasts. |
Ooh, I'm not sure about that.
Apparently Field points at other people because he can't be bothered to do it himself and the only talking Cook does is to bawl people out for his own mistakes. | |
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