| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient 12:00 - Feb 8 with 60541 views | DannyPaddox |
Up against Man City in the FFS that was offside FA Cup. I prepare to stand corrected but I think Charlie is still our player but as I take as much interest in modern football players contracts and transfers as I do in mobile phone contracts I could be wrong. Either way seems like a good lad and having a decent season with a club I like so up the O’s!
Up against a central defender today in Ruben Dias who’s worth approx £75 mil … would love to see Charlie meg him. [Post edited 8 Feb 12:07]
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| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 13:08 - Mar 28 with 2094 views | gazza1 |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 10:51 - Mar 28 by Hunterhoop |
Exactly. You have to give him opportunities next season. His profile is what we’d be clamouring to sign in the summer. In this instance, he’s already out player.
The contract situation could mean he walks for a free in a year but none of us actually know what the length of his deal is. |
It appears that he will have a contract for next season.
Many of us have seen him play over the years in the Championship, we should have all seen how very limited he was......
I don't know what Clubs do now re transfers but I would put him on the transfer list and get some money in asap and stop wasting everybody's time by giving him 'another chance'......perhaps, a Championship side would be happy to sign him - more money for us good luck to them!!!! Birmingham would be my choice, Dykes signed for them and he is no better. |  | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 13:36 - Mar 28 with 2015 views | DannyPaddox |
I have no idea if CK (obsession) will step up to be a prolific goalscorer in the Championship but this notion that he was given a proper chance previously at QPR seems to me a fallacy. I’ve read posters reel out his appearance stats (over twenty?) but weren’t most of them 5 or 10 minutes at the end of a game? And as I remember it the few starts he had were in ropey Ainsworth sides. For me I just haven’t seen enough of the bloke to judge. I watched the Orient Man City game and saw promise but that’s just one game. Nevertheless take away penalties and he is the top goalscorer in League One. That can’t be dismissed. It just baffles me how any one at this clapham juncture can make a definitive judgement on him. | | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 13:57 - Mar 28 with 1954 views | mart_Goblin |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 13:36 - Mar 28 by DannyPaddox |
I have no idea if CK (obsession) will step up to be a prolific goalscorer in the Championship but this notion that he was given a proper chance previously at QPR seems to me a fallacy. I’ve read posters reel out his appearance stats (over twenty?) but weren’t most of them 5 or 10 minutes at the end of a game? And as I remember it the few starts he had were in ropey Ainsworth sides. For me I just haven’t seen enough of the bloke to judge. I watched the Orient Man City game and saw promise but that’s just one game. Nevertheless take away penalties and he is the top goalscorer in League One. That can’t be dismissed. It just baffles me how any one at this clapham juncture can make a definitive judgement on him. |
Completely agree.
I just think that with our lack of sellable assets he is fast becoming our most likely , no matter how small that might be . |  | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:07 - Mar 28 with 1906 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 13:08 - Mar 28 by gazza1 |
It appears that he will have a contract for next season.
Many of us have seen him play over the years in the Championship, we should have all seen how very limited he was......
I don't know what Clubs do now re transfers but I would put him on the transfer list and get some money in asap and stop wasting everybody's time by giving him 'another chance'......perhaps, a Championship side would be happy to sign him - more money for us good luck to them!!!! Birmingham would be my choice, Dykes signed for them and he is no better. |
you think sporadic sub appearances and partial games now and again 4-5 years ago are a good criteria to judge him on? he has been out at three clubs learning his craft since then and it appears to be paying off this season.
I think I will trust MC's appraisal of him before next season and see how that goes. |  |
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| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:09 - Mar 28 with 1901 views | Mick_S |
Apologies if I’ve missed this, but was his injury last night a stinker or not? |  |
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| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:17 - Mar 28 with 1852 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:09 - Mar 28 by Mick_S |
Apologies if I’ve missed this, but was his injury last night a stinker or not? |
"It was a worrying moment for O's fans when he went down off the ball and had to be replaced late in the game, but they will have been encouraged to see him walk around the pitch perimeter unaided back to the tunnel." from the BBC match report. | |
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| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:18 - Mar 28 with 1851 views | Boston |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:09 - Mar 28 by Mick_S |
Apologies if I’ve missed this, but was his injury last night a stinker or not? |
Kick in the arse was it? | |
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| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:19 - Mar 28 with 1838 views | Boston |
Whatever he is, wherever he goes, he has become an asset. | |
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| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:25 - Mar 28 with 1798 views | KensalT |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 13:36 - Mar 28 by DannyPaddox |
I have no idea if CK (obsession) will step up to be a prolific goalscorer in the Championship but this notion that he was given a proper chance previously at QPR seems to me a fallacy. I’ve read posters reel out his appearance stats (over twenty?) but weren’t most of them 5 or 10 minutes at the end of a game? And as I remember it the few starts he had were in ropey Ainsworth sides. For me I just haven’t seen enough of the bloke to judge. I watched the Orient Man City game and saw promise but that’s just one game. Nevertheless take away penalties and he is the top goalscorer in League One. That can’t be dismissed. It just baffles me how any one at this clapham juncture can make a definitive judgement on him. |
That's a fair point.
When we signed him it was because he was supposed to be a great finisher.
Reports this season suggest he is physically stronger and has developed a hold up game. In which case he might be a useful backup or replacement for Frey, and might fit our one up top style.
But it's a big jump from League 1 to the Championship and he still needs to show that he can do it at this level. | | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:42 - Mar 28 with 1722 views | ytt28 |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 11:11 - Mar 28 by OldPedro |
Dave Mc did answer this on X last month - Kelman's contract not up this summer
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I would be surprised if only a few are asking. | | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 15:16 - Mar 28 with 1592 views | gazza1 |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:07 - Mar 28 by Esox_Lucius |
you think sporadic sub appearances and partial games now and again 4-5 years ago are a good criteria to judge him on? he has been out at three clubs learning his craft since then and it appears to be paying off this season.
I think I will trust MC's appraisal of him before next season and see how that goes. |
MC's appraisal, along with others, are that he is not good enough. That is my thoughts on him as well from what I have seen.
In saying that, fair play to him this season, he has done good on the goal front.....big difference from the Championship though. I think I have posted before but I was speaking to an educated football man and played a bit who is an Orient season ticket holder and also follows them away - he said he would not be good enough for the Championship.
Perhaps, I am being harsh on the fella but we will see very soon if he is in MC's plans or if he is not. | | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 15:26 - Mar 28 with 1568 views | Rsole |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 13:08 - Mar 28 by gazza1 |
It appears that he will have a contract for next season.
Many of us have seen him play over the years in the Championship, we should have all seen how very limited he was......
I don't know what Clubs do now re transfers but I would put him on the transfer list and get some money in asap and stop wasting everybody's time by giving him 'another chance'......perhaps, a Championship side would be happy to sign him - more money for us good luck to them!!!! Birmingham would be my choice, Dykes signed for them and he is no better. |
Interesting you mention Dykes, Gazza, because he’s outperformed him this season, in the same division, and we put up with Dykes for years without much improvement.
I also think if he wasn’t ours, we’d probably be scouting Kelman and considering him as someone who can:
Score goals regularly
Be more clinical
Deal with physicality
He also has some championship experience which would be helpful if other signings do not.
Plus I think a year on loan invested by club and player is worthy of a season back with us. Maybe it makes him more valuable if he clicks at QPR too. |  |
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| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 15:30 - Mar 28 with 1559 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 13:36 - Mar 28 by DannyPaddox |
I have no idea if CK (obsession) will step up to be a prolific goalscorer in the Championship but this notion that he was given a proper chance previously at QPR seems to me a fallacy. I’ve read posters reel out his appearance stats (over twenty?) but weren’t most of them 5 or 10 minutes at the end of a game? And as I remember it the few starts he had were in ropey Ainsworth sides. For me I just haven’t seen enough of the bloke to judge. I watched the Orient Man City game and saw promise but that’s just one game. Nevertheless take away penalties and he is the top goalscorer in League One. That can’t be dismissed. It just baffles me how any one at this clapham juncture can make a definitive judgement on him. |
Kelman has played 392 minutes in the league for QPR. He's played more than half a match three times.
By comparison Yang for example has already played 342 minutes and played more than half a game four times.
We haven't seen anywhere near enough of Kelman. |  | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 15:35 - Mar 28 with 1530 views | Rsole |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 15:30 - Mar 28 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Kelman has played 392 minutes in the league for QPR. He's played more than half a match three times.
By comparison Yang for example has already played 342 minutes and played more than half a game four times.
We haven't seen anywhere near enough of Kelman. |
I believe we have seen enough of Yang though :-) | |
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| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient (n/t) on 16:56 - Mar 28 with 1300 views | TheChef |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 15:26 - Mar 28 by Rsole |
Interesting you mention Dykes, Gazza, because he’s outperformed him this season, in the same division, and we put up with Dykes for years without much improvement.
I also think if he wasn’t ours, we’d probably be scouting Kelman and considering him as someone who can:
Score goals regularly
Be more clinical
Deal with physicality
He also has some championship experience which would be helpful if other signings do not.
Plus I think a year on loan invested by club and player is worthy of a season back with us. Maybe it makes him more valuable if he clicks at QPR too. |
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| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 17:02 - Mar 28 with 1254 views | TheChef |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 15:26 - Mar 28 by Rsole |
Interesting you mention Dykes, Gazza, because he’s outperformed him this season, in the same division, and we put up with Dykes for years without much improvement.
I also think if he wasn’t ours, we’d probably be scouting Kelman and considering him as someone who can:
Score goals regularly
Be more clinical
Deal with physicality
He also has some championship experience which would be helpful if other signings do not.
Plus I think a year on loan invested by club and player is worthy of a season back with us. Maybe it makes him more valuable if he clicks at QPR too. |
When you put it that way comparing Kelman with Dykes, you make a very good point.
Although Dykes hasn't played as much and by and large has been behind Stansfield, but that also probably tells you enough. | |
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| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 17:20 - Mar 28 with 1194 views | numptydumpty |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 13:08 - Mar 28 by gazza1 |
It appears that he will have a contract for next season.
Many of us have seen him play over the years in the Championship, we should have all seen how very limited he was......
I don't know what Clubs do now re transfers but I would put him on the transfer list and get some money in asap and stop wasting everybody's time by giving him 'another chance'......perhaps, a Championship side would be happy to sign him - more money for us good luck to them!!!! Birmingham would be my choice, Dykes signed for them and he is no better. |
Well he has played a similar amount of games this season in league one and Dykes has one league goal all season, and Dykes is playing for the runaway leaders in the division. Kelman has had ten in the new year alone and nineteen in all season appearances.so the statement he is no better than Dykes.
This season that argument doesn't hold.
I think having watched several games of his this season, he does also contribute in other areas, he would still be a very cheap option ie no fee and relatively low wages, even as a third or fourth choice, why wouldn't you give him a go.
Loan him out, if it doesn't pan out. I personally think if we sold him, how much could we get and if he goes elsewhere and kicks on, it's one of those.
If we don't give him an opportunity we are totally dim, from my perspective.
He has performed in a way that is how we hope loans to go. Definite improvements and if he can improve this season, who is to say he can't keep improving.
Those assessing Kelman on his limited appearances for ourselves ie cumulatively just over four matches in total over a long period, well that's not him having any opportunities for me. No chance to gain rhythm, form etc.
He has improved this season, no doubt, and is much fitter, bulkier and stronger.
No one is saying he is likely to be a guaranteed success but say he is no better than third choice, for how much he will cost next season, in terms of monetary value to impact, he definitely has the showings that he could be a different player from before.
I can't understand the logic in attempting to sell him. Be lucky to get a million right now and for me, give him that chance. He deserves it for the progress and effort, he has put in by himself.
I am sure, he will be in our playing squad, next season myself.
For those that think we should get rid, when he comes back here, please give us your pros and cons for this action.
I can't understand the reasoning myself of those that are saying this.
Hard to understand the clamour to get rid of him, without giving him an opportunity for ourselves. If we had him but then decided after half a season to sell, his price likely still be the same, ie he has shown good goalscoring form at league one level.
Personally for me, its a no brainer [Post edited 28 Mar 17:27]
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| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 17:25 - Mar 28 with 1171 views | dodge_stoke_r |
Has to be worth bringing back and seeing how he goes. Has obviously improved during his loan, which is what loaning put players is all about. Les Ferdinand was brought in from non league with potential, didn't do much. But a loan to Turkey certainly worked out and the rest is history. |  | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 17:39 - Mar 28 with 1120 views | mart_Goblin |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 17:20 - Mar 28 by numptydumpty |
Well he has played a similar amount of games this season in league one and Dykes has one league goal all season, and Dykes is playing for the runaway leaders in the division. Kelman has had ten in the new year alone and nineteen in all season appearances.so the statement he is no better than Dykes.
This season that argument doesn't hold.
I think having watched several games of his this season, he does also contribute in other areas, he would still be a very cheap option ie no fee and relatively low wages, even as a third or fourth choice, why wouldn't you give him a go.
Loan him out, if it doesn't pan out. I personally think if we sold him, how much could we get and if he goes elsewhere and kicks on, it's one of those.
If we don't give him an opportunity we are totally dim, from my perspective.
He has performed in a way that is how we hope loans to go. Definite improvements and if he can improve this season, who is to say he can't keep improving.
Those assessing Kelman on his limited appearances for ourselves ie cumulatively just over four matches in total over a long period, well that's not him having any opportunities for me. No chance to gain rhythm, form etc.
He has improved this season, no doubt, and is much fitter, bulkier and stronger.
No one is saying he is likely to be a guaranteed success but say he is no better than third choice, for how much he will cost next season, in terms of monetary value to impact, he definitely has the showings that he could be a different player from before.
I can't understand the logic in attempting to sell him. Be lucky to get a million right now and for me, give him that chance. He deserves it for the progress and effort, he has put in by himself.
I am sure, he will be in our playing squad, next season myself.
For those that think we should get rid, when he comes back here, please give us your pros and cons for this action.
I can't understand the reasoning myself of those that are saying this.
Hard to understand the clamour to get rid of him, without giving him an opportunity for ourselves. If we had him but then decided after half a season to sell, his price likely still be the same, ie he has shown good goalscoring form at league one level.
Personally for me, its a no brainer [Post edited 28 Mar 17:27]
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I don’t think we SHOULD get rid.
But with almost no other sellable option , I think we will.
Although I just read his contract is up in January so who knows.
We just don’t have anybody right now to realistically gain money from. | | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 17:51 - Mar 28 with 1042 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 17:39 - Mar 28 by mart_Goblin |
I don’t think we SHOULD get rid.
But with almost no other sellable option , I think we will.
Although I just read his contract is up in January so who knows.
We just don’t have anybody right now to realistically gain money from. |
The irony would be hilarious if it were't so ridiculous! We haven't had a striker worthy of the name who can play games consistently/is mobile/give us a decent goal return since I don't know how long, and you say we might have to sell the only one we have who can in League One (and might well do likewise in the Champ) becuase we don't have a pot to piss in!
It's times like this I wonder if we could circle the drain any more relentlessly! |  |
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| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 18:03 - Mar 28 with 1022 views | PhilmyRs |
Kelman was 22 when the season started, so a year or two in front of Kane when Kane first started to become prolific and get games. The reason I mention Kane is because he’s a striker with limited pace and one, on first impressions I didn’t think was great. Now Kelman is no Harry Kane but I do think he deserves another opportunity now he’s had some decent game time and playing with confidence and figuring out the type of player he is.
If we had all striking options available for the weekend, he makes my squad ahead of Celar and Lloyd. Granted I’m not sure if that’s more a reflection of our poor recruitment than the ability of Kelman but I would certainly give him a chance next season. | | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 18:24 - Mar 28 with 949 views | Northernr |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 18:03 - Mar 28 by PhilmyRs |
Kelman was 22 when the season started, so a year or two in front of Kane when Kane first started to become prolific and get games. The reason I mention Kane is because he’s a striker with limited pace and one, on first impressions I didn’t think was great. Now Kelman is no Harry Kane but I do think he deserves another opportunity now he’s had some decent game time and playing with confidence and figuring out the type of player he is.
If we had all striking options available for the weekend, he makes my squad ahead of Celar and Lloyd. Granted I’m not sure if that’s more a reflection of our poor recruitment than the ability of Kelman but I would certainly give him a chance next season. |
As it is this weekend we're about to go to Stoke with Michi Frey up front followed by Alfie Lloyd tearing about for the last 20 minutes once we're two goals down, so I'm not sure we can be particularly sniffy about Charlie Kelman! |  | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 18:27 - Mar 28 with 933 views | Loft1979 |
This. We have hit the bonus when sending our kids out on loan and bringing them back as confident contributors. Those same 3 were not getting a good look before those loans. Kelman could well be a missing piece as we look to advance given this career changing loan spell. |  | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 18:49 - Mar 28 with 887 views | mart_Goblin |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 17:51 - Mar 28 by stainrods_elbow |
The irony would be hilarious if it were't so ridiculous! We haven't had a striker worthy of the name who can play games consistently/is mobile/give us a decent goal return since I don't know how long, and you say we might have to sell the only one we have who can in League One (and might well do likewise in the Champ) becuase we don't have a pot to piss in!
It's times like this I wonder if we could circle the drain any more relentlessly! |
I actually agree .
I just think the CEO will look to gain income anywhere he can.
Ain’t nobody else going to catch the eye at the moment . Kolli perhaps for I dunno… £750k?
Maybe a little more if we get lucky .
But I actually agree, we have been desperate for so long for decent bloody striker . | | | |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 18:59 - Mar 28 with 861 views | kensalriser |
| Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient on 14:25 - Mar 28 by KensalT |
That's a fair point.
When we signed him it was because he was supposed to be a great finisher.
Reports this season suggest he is physically stronger and has developed a hold up game. In which case he might be a useful backup or replacement for Frey, and might fit our one up top style.
But it's a big jump from League 1 to the Championship and he still needs to show that he can do it at this level. |
He might have progressed since, but the 'great finisher' myth all stems from a solitary off the cuff remark by Warburton that's somehow morphed into a universally accepted truth.
Except it's not. And clearly neither Warburton nor any of his successors have believed it for a moment. |  |
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