| The club of Embarrassment 12:12 - Apr 14 with 2338 views | Southamptonfan |
Can anyone think of any other records that could embarrass us further? No wonder the ground was empty at full time Saturday. We are being totally taken for granted, and they better sort things out quickly next year, or this club will go to the dogs.
Two record nine nil defeats.
26 PL defeats is a new record.
Successive home defeats is a new PL record.
2 relegations in 3 years.
A new striker that we bought 2 years ago, and now he has just played his first PL appearance because Saints decided to buy an injured player
No strikers at all, apart from two injured ones and a a youth player.
6 managers in 3 years.
Relegated with 7 games left is a new record.
Surely there must be some more records we could get??????
The club should be paying us, not the other way round. They better reward the long suffering fans with season ticket prices next season. [Post edited 14 Apr 12:18]
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| The club of Embarrassment on 12:19 - Apr 14 with 2020 views | felly1 |
We're the only team to have conceded three goals from the opponents three substitutes in the Prem history...add that to the list.
Over a period of 7 or so years we've morphed from a Premier league club to a bona fide Championship team and Club. | | | |
| The club of Embarrassment on 13:11 - Apr 14 with 1906 views | I_would |
| The club of Embarrassment on 12:19 - Apr 14 by felly1 |
We're the only team to have conceded three goals from the opponents three substitutes in the Prem history...add that to the list.
Over a period of 7 or so years we've morphed from a Premier league club to a bona fide Championship team and Club. |
You hope. I'm not convinced we have a Championship set up. I think League One beckons. This SR lot really are clowns. | |
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| The club of Embarrassment on 13:19 - Apr 14 with 1915 views | PatfromPoole |
First club to be tricked by somebody claiming to be related to George Weah.
First club to have a chairman who was such a coont that even Reform chucked him out.
First club to farcically appoint a former England rugby coach to the management team.
I fear there could be a few of these…. |  |
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| The club of Embarrassment on 13:28 - Apr 14 with 1893 views | kingslandstand1 |
Was Saturday not a club record no of home defeats in top division for Saints? |  | | |
| The club of Embarrassment on 13:51 - Apr 14 with 1866 views | saint901 |
Has any club gone from PL to Conference (or whatever it's called these days) in consecutive seasons? | | | |
| The club of Embarrassment on 16:15 - Apr 14 with 1682 views | saintmark1976 |
Not sure if it’s a record but nowadays it may as well be:-
Only team ever to play in an F A Cup Semi Final ( Leicester) and not to have one shot or header on goal ? | |
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| The club of Embarrassment on 16:58 - Apr 14 with 1631 views | LondonSaint76 |
| The club of Embarrassment on 13:51 - Apr 14 by saint901 |
Has any club gone from PL to Conference (or whatever it's called these days) in consecutive seasons? |
Without checking this out properly I seem to remember that Northampton Town went all the way from D4 > D1 > D4 between seasons 1960/61 & 1969/70. That was the equivalent of the PL > L2 in five seasons but they didn’t drop out into the National League. So, top flight to basement in 5 seasons is the fastest decline I know of but there might be a better example that I am not aware of…
Here’s another unwanted record to add to the list - when Carlisle United replaced us in the top flight for the 1974/75 season we became the first team in top flight history to be relegated after finishing 3rd from bottom because the rule had been changed for the 1973/74 season from 2 Up / 2 Down to 3 Up / 3 Down. |  |
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| The club of Embarrassment on 17:51 - Apr 14 with 1563 views | kingslandstand1 |
| The club of Embarrassment on 16:58 - Apr 14 by LondonSaint76 |
Without checking this out properly I seem to remember that Northampton Town went all the way from D4 > D1 > D4 between seasons 1960/61 & 1969/70. That was the equivalent of the PL > L2 in five seasons but they didn’t drop out into the National League. So, top flight to basement in 5 seasons is the fastest decline I know of but there might be a better example that I am not aware of…
Here’s another unwanted record to add to the list - when Carlisle United replaced us in the top flight for the 1974/75 season we became the first team in top flight history to be relegated after finishing 3rd from bottom because the rule had been changed for the 1973/74 season from 2 Up / 2 Down to 3 Up / 3 Down. |
That season we went down I honestly didn't think it was a problem because we'd finished 3rd from bottom! | | | |
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| The club of Embarrassment on 17:58 - Apr 14 with 1552 views | InTimeAddedOn |
| The club of Embarrassment on 13:51 - Apr 14 by saint901 |
Has any club gone from PL to Conference (or whatever it's called these days) in consecutive seasons? |
I can’t think of a club that has gone all the way through and out into non-league oblivion in consecutive seasons, but …
Taking on board your question and the division we will be starting in next season, one club does spring to mind, that being, Luton Town.
Season 2006/07 - Relegated: Championship > League 1
Season 2007/08 - Relegated: League 1 > League 2
Season 2008/09 - Relegated: League 2 > Conference National Division
So, from the same starting position, if we emulate what Luton did we would set the most unwanted and embarrassing record ever. I think from memory a lot of Luton’s problems were to do with hefty points deductions that ended up putting them in a position they couldn’t escape relegation from. I suppose to have such clueless muppets as we have in SR running our club it is a handicap of similar proportions to a 30 point deduction!
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| The club of Embarrassment on 19:44 - Apr 14 with 1433 views | kernow |
| The club of Embarrassment on 13:11 - Apr 14 by I_would |
You hope. I'm not convinced we have a Championship set up. I think League One beckons. This SR lot really are clowns. |
Right now we wouldn’t beat Plymouth, so yes I agree, sadly. | | | |
| The club of Embarrassment on 20:44 - Apr 14 with 1361 views | LondonSaint76 |
| The club of Embarrassment on 17:51 - Apr 14 by kingslandstand1 |
That season we went down I honestly didn't think it was a problem because we'd finished 3rd from bottom! |
You were not the only one, I remember my Uncle was convinced we were safe even though he’d seen an article in the paper a month before the end of the season about the change to 3 up / 3 down. The season finished on April 27th but unfortunately the article he saw in the paper was published on April 1st and he wrongly assumed it was an April Fool joke on the part of the newspaper. On the last day of the season, Man U had lost 1-0 to City (the famous Law back heel) which left them on 32 pts from 41 games and us on 36 pts from 42. With only 2 pts for a win and United still to play Stoke away on the Monday he thought we were safe. He’s no longer with us, but he said he never forgot the feeling of utter devastation when he realised that article on April 1st wasn’t a prank and we were relegated. [Post edited 15 Apr 2:39]
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| The club of Embarrassment on 07:47 - Apr 15 with 1069 views | Portchy_Blue |
To share the same honours as three sides that have been defunct since the 19th Century is pretty embarrassing. | | | |
| The club of Embarrassment on 08:43 - Apr 15 with 1004 views | kernow |
As a Pompey fan do you know the meaning of the word? | | | |
| The club of Embarrassment on 09:17 - Apr 15 with 958 views | SonicBoom |
Well Leicester just got the record for losing the most consecutive games at home without scoring.
But that gives us something to aim for next year... |  | | |
| The club of Embarrassment on 09:26 - Apr 15 with 952 views | SaintNick |
Personally I don't give a f*** about what record or other we have got this season, but we do have an alarming trait that many of our fans seem to revel in highlighting the clubs shortcomings and seem to have absolutely no pride in it at all.
In my opinion and it seems that on this thread at least this is not the popular viewpoint, you support football clubs during the bad times as well as the good times.
In the past when times where bad, the supporters rallied round and protested, but also supported the team on the pitch, there was a difference, but now that seems to go out the window and those old enough to have been there back then join in with the youngers masses.
Most of our fans these days also moan about the modern game and new age fans taking selfies and photos of the game etc , but then boast about "3 goal rules" and see it as a badge of honour that they were in the pub or on the train home before the final whistle of a defeat.
Southampton Football Club is a great institution that in it's 140 year history has had it's bad times as well as good times, we have to own the bad times as well as the good times, but we always used to remain proud of the club.
On this thread I see little evidence of any pride in the club, in fact all I see is hatred against it, most times I have to bite my tongue on threads like this, in some cases to avoid falling out with people who are friends.
On Saturday when I was sat on 85 minutes in a stadium where we were only 2-0 down and it was less than half full in the home areas and Villa fans were taking the p***, that was my only embarrassment. |  |
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| The club of Embarrassment on 09:49 - Apr 15 with 922 views | PatfromPoole |
| The club of Embarrassment on 09:26 - Apr 15 by SaintNick |
Personally I don't give a f*** about what record or other we have got this season, but we do have an alarming trait that many of our fans seem to revel in highlighting the clubs shortcomings and seem to have absolutely no pride in it at all.
In my opinion and it seems that on this thread at least this is not the popular viewpoint, you support football clubs during the bad times as well as the good times.
In the past when times where bad, the supporters rallied round and protested, but also supported the team on the pitch, there was a difference, but now that seems to go out the window and those old enough to have been there back then join in with the youngers masses.
Most of our fans these days also moan about the modern game and new age fans taking selfies and photos of the game etc , but then boast about "3 goal rules" and see it as a badge of honour that they were in the pub or on the train home before the final whistle of a defeat.
Southampton Football Club is a great institution that in it's 140 year history has had it's bad times as well as good times, we have to own the bad times as well as the good times, but we always used to remain proud of the club.
On this thread I see little evidence of any pride in the club, in fact all I see is hatred against it, most times I have to bite my tongue on threads like this, in some cases to avoid falling out with people who are friends.
On Saturday when I was sat on 85 minutes in a stadium where we were only 2-0 down and it was less than half full in the home areas and Villa fans were taking the p***, that was my only embarrassment. |
What does "we have to own the bad times" mean?
Ultimately the club dictates fans' moods.
If you have 9 months of abject failure, you're not going to get many people showing pride in that, whatever era it occurs in.
Yeah, I leave games early if they're not going well.
I'd rather get away and go home; I won't be in the mood for post-match debriefs in the pub
I make absolutely no apologies for that.
If it makes me a "follower" rather than a "fan" in the eyes of some, I really couldn't give two hoots. | |
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| The club of Embarrassment on 10:14 - Apr 15 with 884 views | SaintNick |
| The club of Embarrassment on 09:49 - Apr 15 by PatfromPoole |
What does "we have to own the bad times" mean?
Ultimately the club dictates fans' moods.
If you have 9 months of abject failure, you're not going to get many people showing pride in that, whatever era it occurs in.
Yeah, I leave games early if they're not going well.
I'd rather get away and go home; I won't be in the mood for post-match debriefs in the pub
I make absolutely no apologies for that.
If it makes me a "follower" rather than a "fan" in the eyes of some, I really couldn't give two hoots. |
I will point out that these are my opinions and everyone is entitled to do what they want, but some of it it isn't what I see as supporting a football team.
As you have given your reasons and taken time to reply to mine, I will give my opinions on what you have said, bear in mind I respect your right to do what you like and say what you like for that matter.
1. "Owning Bad Times" Can't really say much about this, if you don't already know the answer, then it is hard to explain, perhaps it's a bit like having a child, you can see their faults, but you don't go around telling people about them, you stand up for them and encourage them. As I say its hard to explain, you either get it or you don't.
2. Yes of course the club dictates the fans moods, but it is what you do with that mood, do you stand up and fight or sit back and moan about it and leave it to someone else.
3. Sorry totally disagree with you on this one, I still have pride in Southampton FC, what about the teams that have had 9 years of abject failure or in most cases more, do Torquay or Halifax fans have no pride in their club ? perhaps that goes back to "Owning the bad times"
Some of the best times have been the games when the chips are down, West Ham away in 1994, Wimbledon away in 1999, Swansea away in 2018, when we were in last chance saloon after 9 months of abject failure and we went to these games with pride.
4/5/6. Your choice I'm not slagging it off, personally it is not what i tend do, I won't lie, I have left early from games, for some of the reasons you mention, Chelsea away this season, due to replacement bus services, but not that often and I certainly don't feel any sense of pride in it, in my opinion you are behind the team in thick and thin, just my opinion.
7. I don't slag anyone off for whether they are attending 3 games a season or 38, everyone supports the club to the level that they want or can do. I just find it strange why anyone would pay good money to go to a game and then leave with 30 minutes to go. | |
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| The club of Embarrassment on 10:31 - Apr 15 with 871 views | LondonSaint76 |
| The club of Embarrassment on 09:26 - Apr 15 by SaintNick |
Personally I don't give a f*** about what record or other we have got this season, but we do have an alarming trait that many of our fans seem to revel in highlighting the clubs shortcomings and seem to have absolutely no pride in it at all.
In my opinion and it seems that on this thread at least this is not the popular viewpoint, you support football clubs during the bad times as well as the good times.
In the past when times where bad, the supporters rallied round and protested, but also supported the team on the pitch, there was a difference, but now that seems to go out the window and those old enough to have been there back then join in with the youngers masses.
Most of our fans these days also moan about the modern game and new age fans taking selfies and photos of the game etc , but then boast about "3 goal rules" and see it as a badge of honour that they were in the pub or on the train home before the final whistle of a defeat.
Southampton Football Club is a great institution that in it's 140 year history has had it's bad times as well as good times, we have to own the bad times as well as the good times, but we always used to remain proud of the club.
On this thread I see little evidence of any pride in the club, in fact all I see is hatred against it, most times I have to bite my tongue on threads like this, in some cases to avoid falling out with people who are friends.
On Saturday when I was sat on 85 minutes in a stadium where we were only 2-0 down and it was less than half full in the home areas and Villa fans were taking the p***, that was my only embarrassment. |
Think that’s a bit harsh Sir, I certainly don’t hate the club but I am beginning to hate what SR are doing to it on the pitch. They are making key error after key error. Take managerial appointments & dismissals for example, we keep saying that they need to get the next one right when appointing them and they should have acted sooner when dismissing them but the majority of their decisions have been pants. Then there’s recruitment - don’t get me started…
I think a lot of us are ground down not just by this season but by what has been done to our club by owners that keep making major mistake after major mistake. Personally, that does not mean I hate the club and I don’t feel that comes across from what I have posted so far on this thread. When you have a neighbour who supports Brentford say have you got the owners to apply to go on Pointless yet? it is embarrassing. I think the thing is we can all see what is happening to our beloved club and can also see that with better management it would not need to be the way it is and we would not be in the position that we now find ourselves in.
TBH, I have very little faith in SR getting next season right, I try to stay positive but my confidence in our current owners is shot to pieces and I can’t see much light at the end of the tunnel. I sincerely hope and pray that I am wrong and that we have a great season under the right manager with some superb summer signings. [Post edited 15 Apr 10:38]
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| The club of Embarrassment on 11:08 - Apr 15 with 837 views | kernow |
1.Will Saints be competitive in next season’s fixtures? Based on how things are currently being managed, doubtful.
2.Could they face relegation if things don’t improve? Definitely.
3.Do I have faith in the current owners halting the decline? As per answer number 1.
4. Am I embarrassed? No, just angry and disappointed .
5. Do I hate the club? No but I have a big disdain for the board and management.
6. Will I continue to go to matches? Yes.
7. Will I leave early if the mood takes me. Yes, so what? | | | |
| The club of Embarrassment on 11:11 - Apr 15 with 836 views | SaintNick |
| The club of Embarrassment on 10:31 - Apr 15 by LondonSaint76 |
Think that’s a bit harsh Sir, I certainly don’t hate the club but I am beginning to hate what SR are doing to it on the pitch. They are making key error after key error. Take managerial appointments & dismissals for example, we keep saying that they need to get the next one right when appointing them and they should have acted sooner when dismissing them but the majority of their decisions have been pants. Then there’s recruitment - don’t get me started…
I think a lot of us are ground down not just by this season but by what has been done to our club by owners that keep making major mistake after major mistake. Personally, that does not mean I hate the club and I don’t feel that comes across from what I have posted so far on this thread. When you have a neighbour who supports Brentford say have you got the owners to apply to go on Pointless yet? it is embarrassing. I think the thing is we can all see what is happening to our beloved club and can also see that with better management it would not need to be the way it is and we would not be in the position that we now find ourselves in.
TBH, I have very little faith in SR getting next season right, I try to stay positive but my confidence in our current owners is shot to pieces and I can’t see much light at the end of the tunnel. I sincerely hope and pray that I am wrong and that we have a great season under the right manager with some superb summer signings. [Post edited 15 Apr 10:38]
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As I said I have been careful to say this is my own opinion, it may not be right but is how I feel.
I agree SR have made mistakes, but it hasn't been the complete disaster all the time, last May was the best month supporting Saints that most of our fans under 30 have experienced and probably most of those under 50.
I look to see what SR have changed, two years ago after relegation we appointed Jason Wilcox as DOF, we made some good signings and we got promoted, he left and we didn't replace him, big mistake, however we have now rectified that, so there is hope that things have changed.
So i would disagree that we have been ground down last season, it hasn't been a constant downward spiral since SR took over.
When the dust has settled on this season and we have sold the likes of Ramsdale, Harwood-Bellis (Not sure that anyone will go for him in the Premier tbh) Dibling & Fernades.
We will still have the foundations of the squad we had last season that got us up, plus the likes of Ronnie Edwards & Nathan Wood both proven Championship players, without bringing anyone else in, add a few loan signings and maybe a decent permanent signing and I think we will be in a better position to go up that we started in last season.
The trick is to get in a good manager and that is the unknown.
You say you have little faith in SR getting things right, but going forward it isn't SR appointing the manager it will be Johannes Spors as technical director, so something has changed for the coming season. | |
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| The club of Embarrassment on 11:44 - Apr 15 with 802 views | TripleNiemi |
| The club of Embarrassment on 11:11 - Apr 15 by SaintNick |
As I said I have been careful to say this is my own opinion, it may not be right but is how I feel.
I agree SR have made mistakes, but it hasn't been the complete disaster all the time, last May was the best month supporting Saints that most of our fans under 30 have experienced and probably most of those under 50.
I look to see what SR have changed, two years ago after relegation we appointed Jason Wilcox as DOF, we made some good signings and we got promoted, he left and we didn't replace him, big mistake, however we have now rectified that, so there is hope that things have changed.
So i would disagree that we have been ground down last season, it hasn't been a constant downward spiral since SR took over.
When the dust has settled on this season and we have sold the likes of Ramsdale, Harwood-Bellis (Not sure that anyone will go for him in the Premier tbh) Dibling & Fernades.
We will still have the foundations of the squad we had last season that got us up, plus the likes of Ronnie Edwards & Nathan Wood both proven Championship players, without bringing anyone else in, add a few loan signings and maybe a decent permanent signing and I think we will be in a better position to go up that we started in last season.
The trick is to get in a good manager and that is the unknown.
You say you have little faith in SR getting things right, but going forward it isn't SR appointing the manager it will be Johannes Spors as technical director, so something has changed for the coming season. |
Wembley Play Off final was a splendid day on the sauce with a fantastic result and certainly one of those fab days you (or I certainly) breathe it all in and love the game.
What has happened since mind does leave a lot to be desired.
Whilst I know (personally) I am probably a moaning old bar steward, I do totally get what you are saying and do try to be positive where poss. |  |
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| The club of Embarrassment on 12:58 - Apr 15 with 703 views | SaintNick |
| The club of Embarrassment on 11:44 - Apr 15 by TripleNiemi |
Wembley Play Off final was a splendid day on the sauce with a fantastic result and certainly one of those fab days you (or I certainly) breathe it all in and love the game.
What has happened since mind does leave a lot to be desired.
Whilst I know (personally) I am probably a moaning old bar steward, I do totally get what you are saying and do try to be positive where poss. |
I don't say that people should not be angry about what has happened, but we should be constructively angry, not just firing off shots in all directions as all that does is blur the actual problem.
Nothing wrong with a good moan | |
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| The club of Embarrassment on 13:01 - Apr 15 with 702 views | TimSaint |
You need to do more research.....
'A new striker that we bought 2 years ago, and now he has just played his first PL appearance because Saints decided to buy an injured player'
Do you really think that we've had Ross Stewart for 2 years and that Saturday was his Prem debut ?
Oh and for your information, Pompey have had a top flight 10-0 defeat (strangely to Leicester), so any 9-0 defeat is not actually a record. |  |
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| The club of Embarrassment on 11:35 - Apr 16 with 416 views | Portchy_Blue |
'Oh and for your information, Pompey have had a top flight 10-0 defeat (strangely to Leicester), so any 9-0 defeat is not actually a record'
Apart from it is a Premier League record,both defeats, home and away, to go with all the other Premier League records you are smashing this year. Don't forget football only began on the advent of the Premier league.. | | | |
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