| Substitutions 18:36 - Apr 21 with 2213 views | RangersDave |
When i started following Rangers (circa 1965), we had 1 substitute i think i remember.
If the goalkeeper got injured then an outfield player went in goal.
None of this 5 a side switcharoo we have now that just wastes time, and invariably makes us all miss our buses / trains (delete where appropriate) home!
It also throws each team off their stride, especially if a player goes down for seemingly 20 minutes (you know what i mean).
Seems to me that a limit of 2 players should be allowed, nothing more.
Oh and the extra time added, at the end should not be, only 2 or 3 minutes max so if you try and stretch a game out, your out of luck.
I'd also insist on an injured player needs to be removed from the pitch immediately with the shortest of delay, put him on a stretcher and carry him off immediately.
Any one got any more ideas.... funny, silly or actually sensible?
From my point of view i'm french connection uk'd off about it all.
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| Substitutions on 18:57 - Apr 21 with 2090 views | essextaxiboy |
They were clever today , players who were being replaced tactically were going down , physios plod on , they substitute him after pretend treatment , so not losing the 30 seconds with 10 men . |  | | |
| Substitutions on 19:16 - Apr 21 with 1989 views | hantssi |
Mate of mine suggested years ago that if a physio comes on, said player must go to the changing room for a complete medical check up by an independent doctor and can’t return for 10 minutes.
You can, however bring on a substitute in the meantime. |  | | |
| Substitutions on 19:27 - Apr 21 with 1956 views | slmrstid |
I still can't understand after all this time why football doesn't utilise a stooped clock system. |  | | |
| Substitutions on 19:38 - Apr 21 with 1909 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Substitutions on 19:27 - Apr 21 by slmrstid |
I still can't understand after all this time why football doesn't utilise a stooped clock system. |
Also said it until I'm blue in the face. Lay down on the floor as long as you want tvvat, time advantages you won't get!
The other thing: treat the player while the game continues. If rugby can do it, football should be able to as well. Soon see the fop get up and get on with it. |  |
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| Substitutions on 19:59 - Apr 21 with 1839 views | Tonto |
Our discussion as we walked back to the tube was about clocks. If basketball and american football can utilise shot clocks, play clocks etc, why cant football? Have a 5th official run the clock, blow the hooter like rugby league at the end of 90 mins of ACTUAL play.
15 seconds to take a free kick/goal kick or take a throw in? 8 seconds for the keeper to hold knto it? No problem.
Stop the clock for subs and injuries. [Post edited 22 Apr 7:20]
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| Substitutions on 20:14 - Apr 21 with 1800 views | paulparker |
Another thing to add that makes modern football vvank
Today they were the biggest Sh1t houses we have played, going down at every challenge , it was embarrassing especially with such a poor ref
It’s teams and games like this that distance me away from the game I once loved |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Substitutions on 20:27 - Apr 21 with 1757 views | BrianWilson |
It's makes the game so boring. Just little bits of football being played inbetween all the nonsense. I dunno what the answer is. They should maybe trial some rule changes. A couple of years ago, there was loads of added time before they done away with it quite quickly. Was that an attempt to stop time wasting? can't remember now. |  |
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| Substitutions on 20:29 - Apr 21 with 1745 views | Juzzie |
I know youth football is not the same as professional league football but all I can do is draw on my experience of it and putting it into proportion.
My sons team quite often take the full squad (13 boys) to each game and only a couple of occasions we have taken 10 so we have always had between 3 and 6 subs to choose from each game.
On about three occasions this season we’ve come up against a team that’s had just 7 boys, maybe 8, so at best had one sub.
We all felt confident of winning because we could change tactics or replace tired legs.
However, on each occasion we lost! I don’t think they were any better than us but put this down to the opposition being able to settle into their own rhythm during the game whereas we kept chopping & changing which kept upsetting our own rhythm.
It does make me wonder if having too many subs is actually detrimental?!
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| Substitutions on 20:45 - Apr 21 with 1672 views | Hoopstar |
Lewis O'Brien is the new Ben Pearson. Horrible little goblin of a player though Id have him in our side in a heartbeat. |  | | |
| Substitutions on 20:49 - Apr 21 with 1648 views | colinallcars |
If that game today had been played in front of an audience circa, say 1970 I think most of the crowd would've walked out. |  | | |
| Substitutions on 20:49 - Apr 21 with 1645 views | nix |
| Substitutions on 20:27 - Apr 21 by BrianWilson |
It's makes the game so boring. Just little bits of football being played inbetween all the nonsense. I dunno what the answer is. They should maybe trial some rule changes. A couple of years ago, there was loads of added time before they done away with it quite quickly. Was that an attempt to stop time wasting? can't remember now. |
What it doesn't address though is it breaks up play, stopping every two minutes. The ref could have stopped this by a) booking them early on for cynical fouls and b) ignoring their obvious dives early on. If he'd done this they would've stopped it. The guy had no feel for the game at all and contributed to a scrappy frustrating spectacle. |  | | |
| Substitutions on 21:59 - Apr 21 with 1494 views | Superhoops2808 |
| Substitutions on 18:57 - Apr 21 by essextaxiboy |
They were clever today , players who were being replaced tactically were going down , physios plod on , they substitute him after pretend treatment , so not losing the 30 seconds with 10 men . |
To be fair we are slightly guilty of this ourselves at times, except that player doesn't get substituted and doesn't go off after being attended to by the physio
And that is NARDI Time
He has been known on the odd occasion to go down for an alleged injury so Marti can speak to the players
But you are correct it was very evident today |  | | |
| Substitutions on 23:05 - Apr 21 with 1376 views | CiderwithRsie |
The rot set in when a second sub was allowed.
This was introduced to allow a goalkeeper sub to be nominated. (My recollection is that it was Spurs who came up with this wheeze, after some high profile match where their keeper got injured, but I may be misremembering.)
Of course absolutely bloody no-one ever named a GK sub, they all went for two outfield players and of course used them as tactical subs rather than injury replacements.
That led us to the current situation. The result is that every club's first team had to get bigger squads.
To take a couple of classic QPR top flight seasons, in 75-6 just 17 players got starts, in 83-4 it was 20. If you exclude anyone in single figures, in 75-6 it was 12 players, in 83-4 it was 14. You could play at the top level of English football with a squad of less than 15 first teamers plus half a dozen from old pros on the way out or the U-21s. | | | |
| Substitutions on 05:47 - Apr 22 with 1233 views | enfieldargh |
I quite like the drinks breaks when the entire team go over to the manager. Wouldn’t want then to dehydrate poor loves |  |
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| Substitutions on 06:56 - Apr 22 with 1192 views | stowmarketrange |
If the trainers come on to treat an injured player why should a sub be allowed to come on straight away?Make them wait for 30 seconds,the same time as if the injured player came back on.
That was ridiculous yesterday and the current laws of the game allowed them to get away with it,also helped by a weak and incompetent ref. |  | | |
| Substitutions on 08:10 - Apr 22 with 1103 views | kernowhoop |
| Substitutions on 21:59 - Apr 21 by Superhoops2808 |
To be fair we are slightly guilty of this ourselves at times, except that player doesn't get substituted and doesn't go off after being attended to by the physio
And that is NARDI Time
He has been known on the odd occasion to go down for an alleged injury so Marti can speak to the players
But you are correct it was very evident today |
So true, 2008. It's a bit radical, but, maybe one way to bring this wretched behaviour into disrepute and perhaps achieve a change in the laws, is for the fans of the offending team also to signal their disgust. To put it simply, if we think a QPR player is feigning injury to waste time, we boo or slow handclap. OK, I know how unlikely that is. | | | |
| Substitutions on 08:23 - Apr 22 with 1076 views | nix |
| Substitutions on 08:10 - Apr 22 by kernowhoop |
So true, 2008. It's a bit radical, but, maybe one way to bring this wretched behaviour into disrepute and perhaps achieve a change in the laws, is for the fans of the offending team also to signal their disgust. To put it simply, if we think a QPR player is feigning injury to waste time, we boo or slow handclap. OK, I know how unlikely that is. |
We would be the only fans to do this, so no.
We need better officials who clamp down. Yesterday was the equivalent of the supply teacher in the week before the summer holidays. | | | |
| Substitutions on 09:08 - Apr 22 with 1012 views | BklynRanger |
| Substitutions on 19:38 - Apr 21 by PlanetHonneywood |
Also said it until I'm blue in the face. Lay down on the floor as long as you want tvvat, time advantages you won't get!
The other thing: treat the player while the game continues. If rugby can do it, football should be able to as well. Soon see the fop get up and get on with it. |
Yeah I don't even watch rugby but know enough to know they should be applying some of what they're doing over there in egg chasing land.
And more yellow cards for time wasting seems an obvious one - he did card that fool yesterday for trying the 'am I taking it or leaving it for the keeper' routine. Which Nardi got carded for a couple of games ago, so if they're on top of that they can get on top of the other shit Shirley?
There must also be a better way to stop the clock than what they're currently doing. Even if they don't have a central clock the 4th official could stop and start theirs every time and just add that on. That may be what the ref is claiming to do but it could be more obvious and transparent as soon as players sit down. Some of these games are bad enough without the current incompetence and lack of consistency. |  | | |
| Substitutions on 16:28 - Apr 22 with 856 views | RangersDave |
No sitting down, your a sportsman, man up and hobble to the nearest side quickly or your carded (and give a time limit of, say, 10 seconds)
You can then have someone tend to your little aches and pains outside the playing surface boundary. Once your ok to come on, you jog round to the respective dug out and you come on when the ref becons you, not before.
oh, and it should be illegal in the rules for your director of sport / fitness etc to be in another country all the damn time! [Post edited 22 Apr 16:30]
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| Substitutions on 16:59 - Apr 22 with 810 views | sparkey |
| Substitutions on 19:38 - Apr 21 by PlanetHonneywood |
Also said it until I'm blue in the face. Lay down on the floor as long as you want tvvat, time advantages you won't get!
The other thing: treat the player while the game continues. If rugby can do it, football should be able to as well. Soon see the fop get up and get on with it. |
I'd say that's easier to do in rugby because the ball (egg?) moves much slower around the pitch / the pitch is bigger. In football every part of the pitch could be used in 10 seconds, so this would be dangerous to players (and physios).
But 100% should stop the clock when ball is not in play, I think there was a study that the ball is in play less than 60 mins in the premier league... that is 1/3 of the game just gone and nobody ever questions it. How many times have we seen 10-15 mins a half wasted due to injuries, subs, time wasting and the fourth official deems it suitable to add 3-4 mins. [Post edited 22 Apr 17:00]
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| Substitutions on 17:14 - Apr 22 with 780 views | Myke |
| Substitutions on 20:14 - Apr 21 by paulparker |
Another thing to add that makes modern football vvank
Today they were the biggest Sh1t houses we have played, going down at every challenge , it was embarrassing especially with such a poor ref
It’s teams and games like this that distance me away from the game I once loved |
But we didn't do ourselves any favours either by giving away some petty fouls and as for Edwards foul throw, that was just embarrassing. So we made it real easy for them to wind down the additional 8 minutes, I doubt there was 50% of that time actually playing football. | | | |
| Substitutions on 18:36 - Apr 22 with 696 views | hoops_legend |
| Substitutions on 19:16 - Apr 21 by hantssi |
Mate of mine suggested years ago that if a physio comes on, said player must go to the changing room for a complete medical check up by an independent doctor and can’t return for 10 minutes.
You can, however bring on a substitute in the meantime. |
That would lead to substitution specialists in certain areas of game where they come on for 10 ‘ins for impact
Not what we need
We need red cards for clear obvious time delays and then quickly it would change. Not just a token yellow which has no chance to go to red which is usually dished out |  |
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| Substitutions on 19:14 - Apr 22 with 645 views | kensalriser |
Quite right. We should go back to it being all fields around here, too. |  |
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| Substitutions on 20:02 - Apr 22 with 577 views | hantssi |
| Substitutions on 18:36 - Apr 22 by hoops_legend |
That would lead to substitution specialists in certain areas of game where they come on for 10 ‘ins for impact
Not what we need
We need red cards for clear obvious time delays and then quickly it would change. Not just a token yellow which has no chance to go to red which is usually dished out |
I actually meant you can bring a sub on if you wish to replace the “injured”, the other player then can’t come back on. | | | |
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