| Election of new Trust main board director 20:31 - May 20 with 21764 views | judd |
Having been forwarded the Trust email, just wondering if any other members have not received it directly?
I'm quite taken aback at some of the claims within it and also the foregone conclusion element too.
Personally think a Trust EGM needs to be called in order for members to direct the Trust board.
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 00:28 - May 22 with 2653 views | D_Alien |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 00:24 - May 22 by wozzrafc |
I don’t disagree, I have said as much above that the role of the trust director needs to be looked at. I’ve gone swung this way and that if it is needed. I think it’s healthy to have the debate on what its purpose is and then elect the person right for the role. Feedback on your views needs to be given directly back to the trust board and hopefully will be taken on board. They should be there for their to be led by the members.
Members have a right to call for meeting. I don’t think it would be a bad idea. But it would need members to engage.
I will always stand up for the idea of a trust, as I have done many times here, regardless of who is running it at that time .Yes there are times when we disagree with their approach and they will get it wrong.
To disregard the trust now though is a mistake. As TS stated so eloquently in a previous post on a different thread he didn’t see why people would stop supporting the club now after everything it’s been through because of how they are currently playing, for me it’s the same for the trust. After all the good that has been done under its banner, and the journey it has made side by side with the club why would you.
This forum is a great way to put out your feelings and for debate long my it continue . But if we have an issue with the approach of the trust on anything, then surely as members it must also go direct to them. |
Agreed - i'll send an email
Others may already have done so |  |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 00:41 - May 22 with 2643 views | wozzrafc |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 00:28 - May 22 by D_Alien |
Agreed - i'll send an email
Others may already have done so |
It’s something I will do too. Practice what you preach hey ;-)
This is a public forum and you would hope the trust would gauge views from its members here to. |  | | |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 00:52 - May 22 with 2622 views | D_Alien |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 00:41 - May 22 by wozzrafc |
It’s something I will do too. Practice what you preach hey ;-)
This is a public forum and you would hope the trust would gauge views from its members here to. |
Indeed
I've drawn attention to this thread in my email | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 09:00 - May 22 with 2491 views | TalkingSutty |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 23:36 - May 21 by wozzrafc |
I agree with a lot of your posts but I think on this we all need to support the idea of a trust.
It’s endured 20 years and where would this club be today without it. Ask David Bottomly and Andrew Curran about its punch. If anything it shows when fans get organised nothing can stop them. I wouldn’t want to play down the effort people put in as I know from experience what a hard slog the trust can be. They all do it willingly to help the club. Trust me(pardon the pun) they would welcome fresh input and ideas.
It’s almost easier to be relevant when leading a cause, but even in good times there’s a place for the trust and the CAB. They shouldn’t be seen as competing but should complement each other.
If you consider the trust as a body or principle rather than the individuals then you can’t but see it as a good thing and something to be encouraged. As it always has it needs input of differing views and the help and support of the fans.After all it’s only there because of it’s commitment to the club and that can’t be a bad thing. |
I do support the idea of a Trust. It needs to be a Trust that does as it says on the tin though and not one that seems more interested in appeasing those in the Boardroom than working in the best interests of its members. Thats how i feel currently about the Trust and I think the whole committee are as bad as each other for letting the situation develop. Its the Supporters Trust, its not the Murray Knight Trust and thats what i feel its morphed in to. It might not be intentional but its a consequance of what the position of Trust Director brings. The Director in the Boardroom needs knocking on the head, as a member it appears to me that the position is used as a human filter to protect individuals in the Boardroom from criticism. I say that has somebody who has submitted challenging questions in the past when requested and feel that a individual has taken it upon themselves not to ask it. If I go to the effort of composing and submitting a question would it not be good manners from the Trust to at least inform me why they didn't bother to ask it? So no, i won't be renewing my Trust membership again, i'll be fully supporting CAB though going forward. These are my individual feelings and i fully understand others think differently and of course the trust do good things also. Their core function thought is to represent its members and i feel as though thats forgotten by some. Whether i am a Trust member or not is immaterial to the club going forward, it will have no affect and I'll still help the club in anyway I can. [Post edited 22 May 9:30]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 09:33 - May 22 with 2446 views | D_Alien |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 09:00 - May 22 by TalkingSutty |
I do support the idea of a Trust. It needs to be a Trust that does as it says on the tin though and not one that seems more interested in appeasing those in the Boardroom than working in the best interests of its members. Thats how i feel currently about the Trust and I think the whole committee are as bad as each other for letting the situation develop. Its the Supporters Trust, its not the Murray Knight Trust and thats what i feel its morphed in to. It might not be intentional but its a consequance of what the position of Trust Director brings. The Director in the Boardroom needs knocking on the head, as a member it appears to me that the position is used as a human filter to protect individuals in the Boardroom from criticism. I say that has somebody who has submitted challenging questions in the past when requested and feel that a individual has taken it upon themselves not to ask it. If I go to the effort of composing and submitting a question would it not be good manners from the Trust to at least inform me why they didn't bother to ask it? So no, i won't be renewing my Trust membership again, i'll be fully supporting CAB though going forward. These are my individual feelings and i fully understand others think differently and of course the trust do good things also. Their core function thought is to represent its members and i feel as though thats forgotten by some. Whether i am a Trust member or not is immaterial to the club going forward, it will have no affect and I'll still help the club in anyway I can. [Post edited 22 May 9:30]
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This election, and the attempt to push it through without further debate, acts as a test case for me
I've made it clear - i think support for the Trust will drift away unless a meeting is held and a vote taken on the role of the Trust board rep
If that happens and members vote to continue without change to the role which accommodates the new circumstances and allows for a wider range of applicants, so be it - but that debate and consultation is essential. The Trust deserves a chance to put it right - let's see
I do respect your right to withdraw support for the Trust altogether, but in a way, that goes against your plea to fans to keep supporting the club through thick and thin. The Trust have helped save the club, that's why imo they deserve that chance [Post edited 22 May 9:36]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 10:31 - May 22 with 2367 views | wozzrafc |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 09:00 - May 22 by TalkingSutty |
I do support the idea of a Trust. It needs to be a Trust that does as it says on the tin though and not one that seems more interested in appeasing those in the Boardroom than working in the best interests of its members. Thats how i feel currently about the Trust and I think the whole committee are as bad as each other for letting the situation develop. Its the Supporters Trust, its not the Murray Knight Trust and thats what i feel its morphed in to. It might not be intentional but its a consequance of what the position of Trust Director brings. The Director in the Boardroom needs knocking on the head, as a member it appears to me that the position is used as a human filter to protect individuals in the Boardroom from criticism. I say that has somebody who has submitted challenging questions in the past when requested and feel that a individual has taken it upon themselves not to ask it. If I go to the effort of composing and submitting a question would it not be good manners from the Trust to at least inform me why they didn't bother to ask it? So no, i won't be renewing my Trust membership again, i'll be fully supporting CAB though going forward. These are my individual feelings and i fully understand others think differently and of course the trust do good things also. Their core function thought is to represent its members and i feel as though thats forgotten by some. Whether i am a Trust member or not is immaterial to the club going forward, it will have no affect and I'll still help the club in anyway I can. [Post edited 22 May 9:30]
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You have every right to raise your concerns if you feel the trust is not meeting your expectations, 110%. Its members should raise an issue if they feel it’s not doing what it should. That’s the whole way the trust should work.
My concern is that people now dismiss the trust and see the CAB as the alternative. I am 💯 behind the CAB and is another way to strengthen the bond with the fans. Yes it will start to do things in the past the trust has tried to do in holding the board to account with various levels of success. As judd has said the CAB is a body designed to do that and should be supported.
The trust has a role to play in that and needs to change to help support the CAB success. That will inevitably change the role of a trust board representative. As this thread as shown that debate needs to take place and the board should listen to members who voice their concerns.
But the trust still has a part to play, as an independent body it can and should be working with all parties to engage the fans. It will able by to support the CAB the two should supplement each other. There are thing that the trust will do which will not be in the remit of the CAB.
You raised a point on a previous thread saying you didn’t get why people wouldn’t back the club after everything it has gone through just because you didn’t like the manager or the way they played. I thought it was an excellent point.
I think my angle is the same about the trust, we should continue to raise concerns about its direction (Its our right ) but if we don’t continue to support and try and change it, after everything that has gone on then it would be tragic.in my opinion we need a strong trust and while we don’t necessarily agree with how it’s being run, we shouldn’t dismiss the need for the trust as well. That was my point about your post.
If a debate can be had, and a right person can be elected then change may happen,
Let’s see how the trust responds [Post edited 22 May 10:42]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 11:33 - May 22 with 2308 views | 100notout |
Thanks to the OP for starting this thread - its rightly generating valuable debate, not just about a Trust Board Director but about the the whole focus / remit / constitution of the Trust itself and how it could /should work alongside CAB.
At the end of the day we are all Dale, we all want the best for the club. I fully acknowledge that Trust Board members put in many hours voluntarily (some a lot more than others). I do however feel that the Trust has lost its way somewhat in recent months. IMHO we need a strong Trust to challenge the Club Directors where appropriate and to focus the efforts of the fanbase for the good of the club.
One thing I would say and it has been said already is that the "job description" and "criteria" for nominating a Trust Board Director seems to have been written to discourage nominations and dare I say make sure that certain people who do not meet the extensive criteria cannot nominate themselves.
Could it be that the Trust Board have already decided who the next Trust Board Director will be? I hope not but have to say it smells a bit like that to me. | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 12:02 - May 22 with 2269 views | TalkingSutty |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 09:33 - May 22 by D_Alien |
This election, and the attempt to push it through without further debate, acts as a test case for me
I've made it clear - i think support for the Trust will drift away unless a meeting is held and a vote taken on the role of the Trust board rep
If that happens and members vote to continue without change to the role which accommodates the new circumstances and allows for a wider range of applicants, so be it - but that debate and consultation is essential. The Trust deserves a chance to put it right - let's see
I do respect your right to withdraw support for the Trust altogether, but in a way, that goes against your plea to fans to keep supporting the club through thick and thin. The Trust have helped save the club, that's why imo they deserve that chance [Post edited 22 May 9:36]
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I support the club, give them my finances. I've never viewed being a Trust member as instrumental in supporting the club. I've always viewed the Trust as a body that represents its fans and keeps a eye on the club. | | | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 12:11 - May 22 with 2261 views | D_Alien |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 12:02 - May 22 by TalkingSutty |
I support the club, give them my finances. I've never viewed being a Trust member as instrumental in supporting the club. I've always viewed the Trust as a body that represents its fans and keeps a eye on the club. |
Fair point, but no reason why the same principle can't be applied to both, since a well-run Trust (as we know) can have a huge impact on the wellbeing of the club
FWIW, i see the latest Trust moves as an attempt to retain significance in the light of changing circumstances, rather than looking to exclude anyone; however, the optics aren't great | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 13:21 - May 22 with 2180 views | wozzrafc |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 12:11 - May 22 by D_Alien |
Fair point, but no reason why the same principle can't be applied to both, since a well-run Trust (as we know) can have a huge impact on the wellbeing of the club
FWIW, i see the latest Trust moves as an attempt to retain significance in the light of changing circumstances, rather than looking to exclude anyone; however, the optics aren't great |
It could just be their timing isn’t great and they are trying to get this done before next season. They have a template for previous elections so have sent it out.
To be fair the email only came out Monday so they need to be given time to take onboard the points raised and respond.
I’m not sure if there’s any timing issues with regards getting a director approved, however the start of the new season shouldn’t need to be a hard deadline I would assume. | | | |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 13:30 - May 22 with 2157 views | TalkingSutty |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 12:11 - May 22 by D_Alien |
Fair point, but no reason why the same principle can't be applied to both, since a well-run Trust (as we know) can have a huge impact on the wellbeing of the club
FWIW, i see the latest Trust moves as an attempt to retain significance in the light of changing circumstances, rather than looking to exclude anyone; however, the optics aren't great |
Agree in respect of a well run trust. Most fans aren't members of the Trust and thats always been the case. It has no bearing on their value when it comes to supporting the club, we are all as valuable as each other including you and me. | | | |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 13:41 - May 22 with 2135 views | wozzrafc |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 13:30 - May 22 by TalkingSutty |
Agree in respect of a well run trust. Most fans aren't members of the Trust and thats always been the case. It has no bearing on their value when it comes to supporting the club, we are all as valuable as each other including you and me. |
💯 agree you just have to see the contribution the likes of you make on this board to see that.
There’s also the question what value does the trust offer the fans and the club. In the past it has more than proved that, with various people on the trust board.
It would be beneficial for the club and the fans (members or not) for there to be a strong trust in place. For that it needs engagement. There was about 700 members so it’s not an insignificant number.
The CAB is an excellent addition and should bring together all stakeholders holders. It will take on some of the role the trust has done in the past but it’s not a replacement. Both should benefit from each other. [Post edited 22 May 15:56]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 16:01 - May 22 with 2019 views | TalkingSutty |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 13:41 - May 22 by wozzrafc |
💯 agree you just have to see the contribution the likes of you make on this board to see that.
There’s also the question what value does the trust offer the fans and the club. In the past it has more than proved that, with various people on the trust board.
It would be beneficial for the club and the fans (members or not) for there to be a strong trust in place. For that it needs engagement. There was about 700 members so it’s not an insignificant number.
The CAB is an excellent addition and should bring together all stakeholders holders. It will take on some of the role the trust has done in the past but it’s not a replacement. Both should benefit from each other. [Post edited 22 May 15:56]
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Yes a strong Trust and a strong CAB would be great. The Trust is full of very good people i just feel as though the members are sometimes not prioritised and decisions are made without consultation. It's been operating without a Chairman for months. I wasn't aware of how the Trust Director would be selected and what criteria they would have to meet. Who was responsible for writing it up? Is it designed to be a closed shop and somebody who will be sourced and decided upon by the Trust Committe? Thats how it reads to me. As a fan base/ Trust member, why weren't members consulted and asked for their input? The Trust Committe are in place to represent the fans and communicate with them, not make important decisions and just pass them off. As I posted previously, the Trust Director position hasn't worked i don't think and since the Ogdens became involved and with the formation of CAB i don't think it's needed anymore. [Post edited 22 May 16:11]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 16:38 - May 22 with 1976 views | D_Alien |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 16:01 - May 22 by TalkingSutty |
Yes a strong Trust and a strong CAB would be great. The Trust is full of very good people i just feel as though the members are sometimes not prioritised and decisions are made without consultation. It's been operating without a Chairman for months. I wasn't aware of how the Trust Director would be selected and what criteria they would have to meet. Who was responsible for writing it up? Is it designed to be a closed shop and somebody who will be sourced and decided upon by the Trust Committe? Thats how it reads to me. As a fan base/ Trust member, why weren't members consulted and asked for their input? The Trust Committe are in place to represent the fans and communicate with them, not make important decisions and just pass them off. As I posted previously, the Trust Director position hasn't worked i don't think and since the Ogdens became involved and with the formation of CAB i don't think it's needed anymore. [Post edited 22 May 16:11]
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Two issues are emerging for a possible Trust meting:
- is the Trust board rep required anymore
- if the membership votes Yes - on what T&Cs (more complex) | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 16:54 - May 22 with 1955 views | ThreeLions |
I feel the role of a member of the trust on the Board of Directors is and will hinder any future problems that arise regarding supporters and the relationship with the club. It all feels too cosy now and problems won't be addressed correctly as the trust is part of the club.
It should be a separate entity just like a trade union that both works with the club yet holds them to task if there are problems. My vote would be to withdraw the role and revert back to non representation. |  | | |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 16:58 - May 22 with 1947 views | wozzrafc |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 13:21 - May 22 by wozzrafc |
It could just be their timing isn’t great and they are trying to get this done before next season. They have a template for previous elections so have sent it out.
To be fair the email only came out Monday so they need to be given time to take onboard the points raised and respond.
I’m not sure if there’s any timing issues with regards getting a director approved, however the start of the new season shouldn’t need to be a hard deadline I would assume. |
Interestingly there has been nothing on the trust website regarding the election | | | |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 17:38 - May 22 with 1915 views | judd |
Up until 12 months ago or so I would have fought tooth and nail to maintain Trust representation on the main board because we were the largest shareholding body of a club in real danger of going out of business.
But having experienced Trust board meetings being in the middle of two almost warring factions, I eventually came to the conclusion, and certainly since we found new owners, that the whole appointment had created division, not the unity hoped for and would have called time last September.
There was no clear remit for the Trust director to work to, so the Trust board was not consulted on key issues by the Trust director because of the confidential nature of club board matters. Trust board members were left frustrated with this impasse. I will say, though, that the club through Simon, met with the Trust board regularly and robust discussions did take place.
We did submit a code of conduct for approval, as mentioned previously, and we eventually got one concession , but was frowned upon because it was the first steps towards accountability, in my opinion.
This job spec seems to have been written around the need for the director to be retired or a business owner who could free up their own time. It really should make mention for the need to be able to read and understand management accounts and other financial statements.
I also think the hosting element is written to justify retrospectively what we saw over the past 4 years. Perhaps going forward there is an issue with local director numbers to fulfil such duties. Perhaps this burden could be spread across the 20+ CAB to do 1 or 2 games each, 2 members per game?
Ask yourself this - what did you get as a fan from a Trust director being on the board, and what would you expect going forward?
So, unless the Ogden family has specifically requested Trust representation on the club board and there is a clear manner of operation for the individual, I would suggest that fan efforts are put into helping the CAB evolve from its' current fledgling format into a useful vehicle. It has 2 Trust board members and at least one from Dale_1907 (perhaps these two fine groups should merge as one and combine their commendable energies), as well as a good cross-sectional representation of the whole fanbase.
I really hope the Trust board can clarify the thinking on this appointment and can hold a members meeting for the issues to be discussed and proper consultation listened to and acted upon. | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 18:00 - May 22 with 1875 views | ThreeLions |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 17:38 - May 22 by judd |
Up until 12 months ago or so I would have fought tooth and nail to maintain Trust representation on the main board because we were the largest shareholding body of a club in real danger of going out of business.
But having experienced Trust board meetings being in the middle of two almost warring factions, I eventually came to the conclusion, and certainly since we found new owners, that the whole appointment had created division, not the unity hoped for and would have called time last September.
There was no clear remit for the Trust director to work to, so the Trust board was not consulted on key issues by the Trust director because of the confidential nature of club board matters. Trust board members were left frustrated with this impasse. I will say, though, that the club through Simon, met with the Trust board regularly and robust discussions did take place.
We did submit a code of conduct for approval, as mentioned previously, and we eventually got one concession , but was frowned upon because it was the first steps towards accountability, in my opinion.
This job spec seems to have been written around the need for the director to be retired or a business owner who could free up their own time. It really should make mention for the need to be able to read and understand management accounts and other financial statements.
I also think the hosting element is written to justify retrospectively what we saw over the past 4 years. Perhaps going forward there is an issue with local director numbers to fulfil such duties. Perhaps this burden could be spread across the 20+ CAB to do 1 or 2 games each, 2 members per game?
Ask yourself this - what did you get as a fan from a Trust director being on the board, and what would you expect going forward?
So, unless the Ogden family has specifically requested Trust representation on the club board and there is a clear manner of operation for the individual, I would suggest that fan efforts are put into helping the CAB evolve from its' current fledgling format into a useful vehicle. It has 2 Trust board members and at least one from Dale_1907 (perhaps these two fine groups should merge as one and combine their commendable energies), as well as a good cross-sectional representation of the whole fanbase.
I really hope the Trust board can clarify the thinking on this appointment and can hold a members meeting for the issues to be discussed and proper consultation listened to and acted upon. |
As you stated in the opening post on this thread an EGM needs to be called for members to decide the way forward. I'm sure the FSA would frown upon the way things are being handled in this respect. If nothing is done then I think contacting Kevin Miles should be an action taken. I'm sure the founding members of the trust for example Sandyman, Wozz and Col don't want to see the trust head in this undemocratic direction. [Post edited 22 May 18:01]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 21:39 - May 22 with 1723 views | tony_roch975 |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 17:38 - May 22 by judd |
Up until 12 months ago or so I would have fought tooth and nail to maintain Trust representation on the main board because we were the largest shareholding body of a club in real danger of going out of business.
But having experienced Trust board meetings being in the middle of two almost warring factions, I eventually came to the conclusion, and certainly since we found new owners, that the whole appointment had created division, not the unity hoped for and would have called time last September.
There was no clear remit for the Trust director to work to, so the Trust board was not consulted on key issues by the Trust director because of the confidential nature of club board matters. Trust board members were left frustrated with this impasse. I will say, though, that the club through Simon, met with the Trust board regularly and robust discussions did take place.
We did submit a code of conduct for approval, as mentioned previously, and we eventually got one concession , but was frowned upon because it was the first steps towards accountability, in my opinion.
This job spec seems to have been written around the need for the director to be retired or a business owner who could free up their own time. It really should make mention for the need to be able to read and understand management accounts and other financial statements.
I also think the hosting element is written to justify retrospectively what we saw over the past 4 years. Perhaps going forward there is an issue with local director numbers to fulfil such duties. Perhaps this burden could be spread across the 20+ CAB to do 1 or 2 games each, 2 members per game?
Ask yourself this - what did you get as a fan from a Trust director being on the board, and what would you expect going forward?
So, unless the Ogden family has specifically requested Trust representation on the club board and there is a clear manner of operation for the individual, I would suggest that fan efforts are put into helping the CAB evolve from its' current fledgling format into a useful vehicle. It has 2 Trust board members and at least one from Dale_1907 (perhaps these two fine groups should merge as one and combine their commendable energies), as well as a good cross-sectional representation of the whole fanbase.
I really hope the Trust board can clarify the thinking on this appointment and can hold a members meeting for the issues to be discussed and proper consultation listened to and acted upon. |
Agree with much of that but the key difference is about a mandate. As far as I understand it, the CAB are a group of individuals selected by the Club and whilst they are from different fan demographics they aren't elected by that demographic nor are they accountable to anyone. The Trust has elections or surveys to decide representation and policies - we can at least propose a meeting of the Trust to discuss and decide on issues (as in this thread); we can't do that with the CAB. | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 21:49 - May 22 with 1702 views | judd |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 21:39 - May 22 by tony_roch975 |
Agree with much of that but the key difference is about a mandate. As far as I understand it, the CAB are a group of individuals selected by the Club and whilst they are from different fan demographics they aren't elected by that demographic nor are they accountable to anyone. The Trust has elections or surveys to decide representation and policies - we can at least propose a meeting of the Trust to discuss and decide on issues (as in this thread); we can't do that with the CAB. |
CAB is in an embryonic state. For it to operate effectively and to fans expectations it will have to quickly evolve into a 2 way conduit for all fans to be heard.
I would not rule out fan access to CAB on a forum type platform.
The Trust is a membership organisation, the whole fanbase is not.
A single rep on the main board has not worked, for a number of reasons, so it's important to improve on that. [Post edited 22 May 22:00]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 22:35 - May 22 with 1641 views | wozzrafc |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 21:49 - May 22 by judd |
CAB is in an embryonic state. For it to operate effectively and to fans expectations it will have to quickly evolve into a 2 way conduit for all fans to be heard.
I would not rule out fan access to CAB on a forum type platform.
The Trust is a membership organisation, the whole fanbase is not.
A single rep on the main board has not worked, for a number of reasons, so it's important to improve on that. [Post edited 22 May 22:00]
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The cab seems very much a working group which aligns itself with the board to review policy and scrutinise the board’s decision making. For it to work it needs to collate a wide range of views. So having a board shadow board with all stakeholders, with the trust heavily involved, is far more productive than a single person working with the board. It will also get round one of the biggest issues that trust had, that it will not be dependent on the goodwill of the board to meet or get answers.
I can see how a forum type approach would work.to gauge opinions giving all fans a channel to ask questions.
The trust on the other hand is an independent body with the ability for its remit to be set by its members. The objective for as many fans as possible to join and contribute. One original purpose of the trust was to provide a structure that could mobilise quickly if needed. The other to set up a body to provide a communication path to the BOD (killie and Morris) which wasn’t there. To that extent the trust achieved its initial aim. It continued through a number of different boards but when it was needed it successfully provided the banner to lead the fight, and then support the boar dthrough the subsequent turmoil finally to introduce the Ogdens.
With the CAB being formed with is better suited to mirror the board the trust needs to align itself to supplement that by focusing in engaging fans, raising funds and still maintaining that independence. Indeed the fact the golden share was muted to be held by the trust shows there needs to be a body one step removed. The trust is ideally placed.
A while back a volunteer army was muted. That to me is the sort of project the trust could get involved. The CAB won’t be able to take on everything, and the trust can help to that means. The debate needs to be had. [Post edited 22 May 23:13]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 06:02 - May 23 with 1471 views | TalkingSutty |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 22:35 - May 22 by wozzrafc |
The cab seems very much a working group which aligns itself with the board to review policy and scrutinise the board’s decision making. For it to work it needs to collate a wide range of views. So having a board shadow board with all stakeholders, with the trust heavily involved, is far more productive than a single person working with the board. It will also get round one of the biggest issues that trust had, that it will not be dependent on the goodwill of the board to meet or get answers.
I can see how a forum type approach would work.to gauge opinions giving all fans a channel to ask questions.
The trust on the other hand is an independent body with the ability for its remit to be set by its members. The objective for as many fans as possible to join and contribute. One original purpose of the trust was to provide a structure that could mobilise quickly if needed. The other to set up a body to provide a communication path to the BOD (killie and Morris) which wasn’t there. To that extent the trust achieved its initial aim. It continued through a number of different boards but when it was needed it successfully provided the banner to lead the fight, and then support the boar dthrough the subsequent turmoil finally to introduce the Ogdens.
With the CAB being formed with is better suited to mirror the board the trust needs to align itself to supplement that by focusing in engaging fans, raising funds and still maintaining that independence. Indeed the fact the golden share was muted to be held by the trust shows there needs to be a body one step removed. The trust is ideally placed.
A while back a volunteer army was muted. That to me is the sort of project the trust could get involved. The CAB won’t be able to take on everything, and the trust can help to that means. The debate needs to be had. [Post edited 22 May 23:13]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 00:21 - May 24 with 1085 views | D_Alien |
So the Trust have now emailed members with a survey, asking the simple binary question: do you support the appointment of a Trust board director, or not
Erm... well, it's not quite as simple as that, is it?
It's something that requires discussion at an EGM, with all the pros and cons being weighed before voting one way or the other
I've voted "No" - but the approach to this has been so cack-handed that i'm minded to discontinue with the Trust altogether, especially after writing to them to ask for a meeting to be held for a proper discussion. It would seem that discussing these things is beyond their capability
Edit: yes, i realise that contradicts what i wrote the other day about the Trust, which no doubt continues to do valuable work but possibly finds itself overwhelmed by circumstances
And... still no word on the Golden Share? It was being 'researched' a few months ago. Has it been concluded that it might just be too problematic? If not, it's time to implement it, and at least give the Trust something to hang on to [Post edited 24 May 6:49]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 07:55 - May 24 with 957 views | 442Dale |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 00:21 - May 24 by D_Alien |
So the Trust have now emailed members with a survey, asking the simple binary question: do you support the appointment of a Trust board director, or not
Erm... well, it's not quite as simple as that, is it?
It's something that requires discussion at an EGM, with all the pros and cons being weighed before voting one way or the other
I've voted "No" - but the approach to this has been so cack-handed that i'm minded to discontinue with the Trust altogether, especially after writing to them to ask for a meeting to be held for a proper discussion. It would seem that discussing these things is beyond their capability
Edit: yes, i realise that contradicts what i wrote the other day about the Trust, which no doubt continues to do valuable work but possibly finds itself overwhelmed by circumstances
And... still no word on the Golden Share? It was being 'researched' a few months ago. Has it been concluded that it might just be too problematic? If not, it's time to implement it, and at least give the Trust something to hang on to [Post edited 24 May 6:49]
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If they are committed to listening to their members, why can’t they simply call a meeting for those who have questions and concerns?
Those who want to attend, will. Those who don’t or can’t can still have a report of the meeting to make a more educated decision.
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 08:33 - May 24 with 917 views | TalkingSutty |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 07:55 - May 24 by 442Dale |
If they are committed to listening to their members, why can’t they simply call a meeting for those who have questions and concerns?
Those who want to attend, will. Those who don’t or can’t can still have a report of the meeting to make a more educated decision.
Is it really that difficult? |
Can the members not demand a meeting if one is not forthcoming. The Trust representatives are in place to represent the members, thats their core function...or have i got that wrong? | | | |
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