| Election of new Trust main board director 20:31 - May 20 with 13206 views | judd |
Having been forwarded the Trust email, just wondering if any other members have not received it directly?
I'm quite taken aback at some of the claims within it and also the foregone conclusion element too.
Personally think a Trust EGM needs to be called in order for members to direct the Trust board.
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 13:53 - May 25 with 1777 views | judd |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 13:46 - May 25 by wozzrafc |
Agreed, this debate has raised some excellent talking points. The comments made by talking sutty has actually raised a thought with me that has not been considered.
Whilst in the past the trust has earned its right to a place on the board as one of the biggest shareholders ,that right has to be given by the football club board, or more precise by the club shareholders, which in all intensive purposes is now the Ogdens.
The fact that the trust has a place on the board is because the clubs board see a benefit in the trust representative being there.
Surely then there needs to be some sort of input from the board as to what they would want from a trust director on the board. While the trust members can elect a trust representative their remit on the board would in some ways be decided between the club and the trust. That should have a bearing on whether trust members want to take up the option of a board place, and the type of person who is required?
After all talking sutty and d_alien might nominate me , no one else is put forward and I end up turning up in the boardroom!! That’s the last bloody thing the Ogdens might want. [Post edited 25 May 13:47]
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The Trust board has previously submitted a.code of conduct which outlines how the Trust main board director should act.
Concession was reached on the main board meetings agenda being made available for the Trust board to guide their rep in how to vote on any matters arising.
The document was.baded on an FSA template and was drafted with the help of a lawyer.
With regards the CAB, there are 2 Trust board members on CAB. | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 14:06 - May 25 with 1735 views | D_Alien |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 13:46 - May 25 by wozzrafc |
Agreed, this debate has raised some excellent talking points. The comments made by talking sutty has actually raised a thought with me that has not been considered.
Whilst in the past the trust has earned its right to a place on the board as one of the biggest shareholders ,that right has to be given by the football club board, or more precise by the club shareholders, which in all intensive purposes is now the Ogdens.
The fact that the trust has a place on the board is because the clubs board see a benefit in the trust representative being there.
Surely then there needs to be some sort of input from the board as to what they would want from a trust director on the board. While the trust members can elect a trust representative their remit on the board would in some ways be decided between the club and the trust. That should have a bearing on whether trust members want to take up the option of a board place, and the type of person who is required?
After all talking sutty and d_alien might nominate me , no one else is put forward and I end up turning up in the boardroom!! That’s the last bloody thing the Ogdens might want. [Post edited 25 May 13:47]
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I might well do... but would you be compliant with the 'code of conduct'?
We need to know! |  |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 14:29 - May 25 with 1682 views | wozzrafc |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 14:06 - May 25 by D_Alien |
I might well do... but would you be compliant with the 'code of conduct'?
We need to know! |
I’m just about fit and proper to hold a season ticket, let alone comply with any code of conduct!!
As well as how the trust director should act, Does that also cover the remit of what their role on the board is?
I don’t necessarily mean how they should act in terms of voting or divulging information, I was also alluding to what they need to do and the reason for being on the board. [Post edited 25 May 14:36]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 14:30 - May 25 with 1681 views | 442Dale |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 13:53 - May 25 by judd |
The Trust board has previously submitted a.code of conduct which outlines how the Trust main board director should act.
Concession was reached on the main board meetings agenda being made available for the Trust board to guide their rep in how to vote on any matters arising.
The document was.baded on an FSA template and was drafted with the help of a lawyer.
With regards the CAB, there are 2 Trust board members on CAB. |
Is that “code of conduct” still in place and if so, presumably the roles and responsibilities as detailed by the Trust have been established taking it into account? |  |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 14:37 - May 25 with 1669 views | judd |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 14:30 - May 25 by 442Dale |
Is that “code of conduct” still in place and if so, presumably the roles and responsibilities as detailed by the Trust have been established taking it into account? |
I don't know if any of it was ever adopted.
The point being that if the Trust main board director cannot report into and represent the Trust board, what is the purpose of the position? The individual acts in total isolation from the Trust because of the need for confidentiality, which defeats the purpose.
Trust representation on CAB allows for more transparency, in my opinion, and is the route we should take instead of main board representation. | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 14:56 - May 25 with 1638 views | 442Dale |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 14:37 - May 25 by judd |
I don't know if any of it was ever adopted.
The point being that if the Trust main board director cannot report into and represent the Trust board, what is the purpose of the position? The individual acts in total isolation from the Trust because of the need for confidentiality, which defeats the purpose.
Trust representation on CAB allows for more transparency, in my opinion, and is the route we should take instead of main board representation. |
If efforts were made to draw it up, then it’s for the Trust to confirm whether this is currently in place.
If only so that anyone thinking of putting themselves forward for the role is fully aware of the detail, meaning they can make a more informed decision when considering whether to apply.
Without that confirmation and subsequent detail being made available, it could result in further doubts about this situation. And we all seem to be in agreement about how that can be tackled initially and await news from the Trust around arranging a meeting. [Post edited 25 May 14:57]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 14:56 - May 25 with 1634 views | wozzrafc |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 14:37 - May 25 by judd |
I don't know if any of it was ever adopted.
The point being that if the Trust main board director cannot report into and represent the Trust board, what is the purpose of the position? The individual acts in total isolation from the Trust because of the need for confidentiality, which defeats the purpose.
Trust representation on CAB allows for more transparency, in my opinion, and is the route we should take instead of main board representation. |
Depending on the reason for having a trust representative on the board.
I agree that the CAB is in a better position to scrutinise and advise than a trust director on their own, bound by confidentiality. Also having representation from the trust and other stakeholders would allow transparency and bring together all parties. The CAB is an umbrella to bring together all views and to work as a shadow board. This might well be a necessity if the gov report is implemented.
If the point of having a trust director is for other reasons, maybe as a figurehead or acknowledgement of the trust, or matters relating to the golden share , or even to observe then their is no reason not to have one, as long as that is set out clearly what the scope of their remit is.
As a theoretical example where it could work: the Ogdens may see the trust as a resource they can use to achieve some of their objectives. Those objectives would be scrutinised by the CAB.
The board may feel that having a representative from the trust on the board gives them to opportunity to discuss things with the trust and help align the trust work so it meets the club’s objectives.
Both can exist together. But again that needs to be clarified. [Post edited 25 May 15:06]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 15:00 - May 25 with 1619 views | D_Alien |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 14:56 - May 25 by 442Dale |
If efforts were made to draw it up, then it’s for the Trust to confirm whether this is currently in place.
If only so that anyone thinking of putting themselves forward for the role is fully aware of the detail, meaning they can make a more informed decision when considering whether to apply.
Without that confirmation and subsequent detail being made available, it could result in further doubts about this situation. And we all seem to be in agreement about how that can be tackled initially and await news from the Trust around arranging a meeting. [Post edited 25 May 14:57]
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I sincerely hope we don't just hear that following the pre-emptory ballot, it's been "decided" that a Trust board rep is no longer required
Whether or not that's the eventual outcome, that message would be disastrous for confidence in the Trust | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 15:07 - May 25 with 1582 views | wozzrafc |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 15:00 - May 25 by D_Alien |
I sincerely hope we don't just hear that following the pre-emptory ballot, it's been "decided" that a Trust board rep is no longer required
Whether or not that's the eventual outcome, that message would be disastrous for confidence in the Trust |
That was my overriding reason for voting yes | | | |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 15:11 - May 25 with 1565 views | judd |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 14:56 - May 25 by wozzrafc |
Depending on the reason for having a trust representative on the board.
I agree that the CAB is in a better position to scrutinise and advise than a trust director on their own, bound by confidentiality. Also having representation from the trust and other stakeholders would allow transparency and bring together all parties. The CAB is an umbrella to bring together all views and to work as a shadow board. This might well be a necessity if the gov report is implemented.
If the point of having a trust director is for other reasons, maybe as a figurehead or acknowledgement of the trust, or matters relating to the golden share , or even to observe then their is no reason not to have one, as long as that is set out clearly what the scope of their remit is.
As a theoretical example where it could work: the Ogdens may see the trust as a resource they can use to achieve some of their objectives. Those objectives would be scrutinised by the CAB.
The board may feel that having a representative from the trust on the board gives them to opportunity to discuss things with the trust and help align the trust work so it meets the club’s objectives.
Both can exist together. But again that needs to be clarified. [Post edited 25 May 15:06]
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Too much supposition.
If the owners have requested it, end of story.
If not, without the change(s) to the performance of the role as previously identified and addressed, I see it as pointless. | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 15:17 - May 25 with 1547 views | wozzrafc |
💯 that was why it was theoretical, but that was the reason for my first point about what do the Ogdens want from a trust director. | | | |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 15:37 - May 25 with 1514 views | 442Dale |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 15:17 - May 25 by wozzrafc |
💯 that was why it was theoretical, but that was the reason for my first point about what do the Ogdens want from a trust director. |
Well won’t those currently on the club board have come up with the details about the role provided by the Trust?
If not, presumably they wouldn’t have been released?
And also if not, who would know what those specific roles are without confirming all the specific details with the current board as a necessity? | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 15:43 - May 25 with 1497 views | wozzrafc |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 15:37 - May 25 by 442Dale |
Well won’t those currently on the club board have come up with the details about the role provided by the Trust?
If not, presumably they wouldn’t have been released?
And also if not, who would know what those specific roles are without confirming all the specific details with the current board as a necessity? |
We don’t know? But how can i choose to nominate someone or vote to elect someone if I’m not sure what I’m supposed to do? [Post edited 25 May 16:21]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 15:51 - May 25 with 1471 views | 442Dale |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 15:43 - May 25 by wozzrafc |
We don’t know? But how can i choose to nominate someone or vote to elect someone if I’m not sure what I’m supposed to do? [Post edited 25 May 16:21]
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Indeed! I think anyone who looks at the current situation can see what we can see.
Too many flaws.
Ball is firmly in the Trust’s court. | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 16:42 - May 25 with 1387 views | D_Alien |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 15:07 - May 25 by wozzrafc |
That was my overriding reason for voting yes |
That's the problem with the binary vote
A further option should've been:
Yes, but only with a renegotiated remit | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 22:37 - May 25 with 1183 views | pioneer |
Might be worth finding out how other clubs that have fan members of the board organise things. I might not be working well at the moment but that doesnt mean it cant be organised to work better in the future.
Certainly the job description doesnt appear to be in line with it being open to most fans/trust members. Is that a new job description or did Murray meet all those criteria. If itis new, who came up with it (and why), the trust or the board? | | | |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 09:17 - May 26 with 1034 views | wozzrafc |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 15:00 - May 25 by D_Alien |
I sincerely hope we don't just hear that following the pre-emptory ballot, it's been "decided" that a Trust board rep is no longer required
Whether or not that's the eventual outcome, that message would be disastrous for confidence in the Trust |
That was my overriding reason for voting yes | | | |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 09:40 - May 26 with 1005 views | blackdogblue |
Just noticed the survey in my junk mail folder, it arrived Saturday some time.
It is only Monday and the survey is now closed.
Was it intentional to do a lip service one as it seems many people didn’t get an e mail or taken down for some other reason??
One last thing, the original e mail some might also not have got (I’m amazed I got that one tbh as seems hit & miss what I get or where it goes in my inbox), it says Murray is reaching the end of his 2nd term. Is it in this constitution it is a 4 year maximum so he has to step down and cannot continue? |  |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 10:22 - May 26 with 939 views | judd |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 09:40 - May 26 by blackdogblue |
Just noticed the survey in my junk mail folder, it arrived Saturday some time.
It is only Monday and the survey is now closed.
Was it intentional to do a lip service one as it seems many people didn’t get an e mail or taken down for some other reason??
One last thing, the original e mail some might also not have got (I’m amazed I got that one tbh as seems hit & miss what I get or where it goes in my inbox), it says Murray is reaching the end of his 2nd term. Is it in this constitution it is a 4 year maximum so he has to step down and cannot continue? |
Yes | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 10:35 - May 26 with 925 views | TalkingSutty |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 09:40 - May 26 by blackdogblue |
Just noticed the survey in my junk mail folder, it arrived Saturday some time.
It is only Monday and the survey is now closed.
Was it intentional to do a lip service one as it seems many people didn’t get an e mail or taken down for some other reason??
One last thing, the original e mail some might also not have got (I’m amazed I got that one tbh as seems hit & miss what I get or where it goes in my inbox), it says Murray is reaching the end of his 2nd term. Is it in this constitution it is a 4 year maximum so he has to step down and cannot continue? |
I haven't received any correspondence from the Trust for a long time, it suddenly stopped for some reason, never mind. A CAB forum was mentioned a couple of days ago as a possible idea going forward, i think that would very beneficial not only to the fans but also the club. [Post edited 26 May 10:37]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 10:57 - May 26 with 896 views | judd |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 09:40 - May 26 by blackdogblue |
Just noticed the survey in my junk mail folder, it arrived Saturday some time.
It is only Monday and the survey is now closed.
Was it intentional to do a lip service one as it seems many people didn’t get an e mail or taken down for some other reason??
One last thing, the original e mail some might also not have got (I’m amazed I got that one tbh as seems hit & miss what I get or where it goes in my inbox), it says Murray is reaching the end of his 2nd term. Is it in this constitution it is a 4 year maximum so he has to step down and cannot continue? |
Yes | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 11:37 - May 26 with 830 views | wozzrafc |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 10:35 - May 26 by TalkingSutty |
I haven't received any correspondence from the Trust for a long time, it suddenly stopped for some reason, never mind. A CAB forum was mentioned a couple of days ago as a possible idea going forward, i think that would very beneficial not only to the fans but also the club. [Post edited 26 May 10:37]
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To be fair I get regular emails, at least once a month and often two.
I don’t think. It’s they have suddenly stopped sending them, but there appears to be an issue. I would contact the trust and get them to check your email address. [Post edited 26 May 11:39]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 12:00 - May 26 with 803 views | judd |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 22:37 - May 25 by pioneer |
Might be worth finding out how other clubs that have fan members of the board organise things. I might not be working well at the moment but that doesnt mean it cant be organised to work better in the future.
Certainly the job description doesnt appear to be in line with it being open to most fans/trust members. Is that a new job description or did Murray meet all those criteria. If itis new, who came up with it (and why), the trust or the board? |
Several clubs were contacted before the code of conduct was compiled.
From memory, Norwich, Fulham, Exeter, Lincoln.
All were different.
Interestingly, Lincoln have their supporters trust listed as a company director rather than a named individual. | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 00:10 - May 28 with 356 views | Sandyman |
Should anyone not have received the Trust e mail of late yesterday evening....
"Trust Club Board Director Appointment. Vote Result
The survey for Trust members to decide whether or not to continue to be represented on the Club Board as the Trust appointed Club Board Director was emailed direct to members and also posted on the Trust website.
The result was as follows:
For 163 (90.56%) - Against 17 (9.44%).
Total votes cast: 180.
The number of emails sent was 694, of which 453 were opened." |  | | |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 00:50 - May 28 with 306 views | D_Alien |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 00:10 - May 28 by Sandyman |
Should anyone not have received the Trust e mail of late yesterday evening....
"Trust Club Board Director Appointment. Vote Result
The survey for Trust members to decide whether or not to continue to be represented on the Club Board as the Trust appointed Club Board Director was emailed direct to members and also posted on the Trust website.
The result was as follows:
For 163 (90.56%) - Against 17 (9.44%).
Total votes cast: 180.
The number of emails sent was 694, of which 453 were opened." |
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