| Election of new Trust main board director 20:31 - May 20 with 21224 views | judd |
Having been forwarded the Trust email, just wondering if any other members have not received it directly?
I'm quite taken aback at some of the claims within it and also the foregone conclusion element too.
Personally think a Trust EGM needs to be called in order for members to direct the Trust board.
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 19:24 - May 28 with 1468 views | D_Alien |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 19:16 - May 28 by 49thseason |
This has bèen a interesting discussion delving into the purpose of the trust and making comparisons with other trusts, but.. we are now in a very different place as a club with benevolent owners who, whilst not committing stupid money have a plan to finance the football aspect by creating sustainable income stream and similtaneously developing the Community Trust into a local powerhouse for civic improvement. They are enormously dominant owners in terms of shareholdings and the former large Trust shareholding is now vastly reduced, this is a whole new reality for supporters at large and the Supporters Trust.
I think the Trust has to now find a new raison d'etre, I could see it being a third element in the mix between the Community Trust and the Football club, perhaps with a funding and manpower remit putting money into things like helping with travel costs for promising youngsters, and having an active register of skills that might be used to develop new aspects of supporter interactions with the club, I am thinking of things like workplace evangelists, particular skillsets like IT or AI or organising events that the club only has to provide space for, perhaps a regular Sunday car boot or farmers market or running an Ebay shop.
The days of being a voice in the Boardroom is probably over with the Ogdens in charge and a far more professional team running things, but there will be loads of things that will require a small financial contribution or an extrs pair of hands. Maybe thats where the focus needs to be going forwards. |
That's a fair viewpoint
Don't you think it'd be a good idea to hold a meeting (doesn't have to be an EGM) to discuss these ideas? That's what this thread is about - not just the Trust board role
If you want to put your ideas forward in an open forum, put your name down in the EGM thread. The more support that's visible there, the more likely the Trust are to call a meeting in which these ideas can be aired |  |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 23:33 - May 28 with 1234 views | Sandyman |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 19:16 - May 28 by 49thseason |
This has bèen a interesting discussion delving into the purpose of the trust and making comparisons with other trusts, but.. we are now in a very different place as a club with benevolent owners who, whilst not committing stupid money have a plan to finance the football aspect by creating sustainable income stream and similtaneously developing the Community Trust into a local powerhouse for civic improvement. They are enormously dominant owners in terms of shareholdings and the former large Trust shareholding is now vastly reduced, this is a whole new reality for supporters at large and the Supporters Trust.
I think the Trust has to now find a new raison d'etre, I could see it being a third element in the mix between the Community Trust and the Football club, perhaps with a funding and manpower remit putting money into things like helping with travel costs for promising youngsters, and having an active register of skills that might be used to develop new aspects of supporter interactions with the club, I am thinking of things like workplace evangelists, particular skillsets like IT or AI or organising events that the club only has to provide space for, perhaps a regular Sunday car boot or farmers market or running an Ebay shop.
The days of being a voice in the Boardroom is probably over with the Ogdens in charge and a far more professional team running things, but there will be loads of things that will require a small financial contribution or an extrs pair of hands. Maybe thats where the focus needs to be going forwards. |
The Dale Trust is more than likely going to be the owner of the "Golden Share" when all the legals go through. Therefore, it is very important that Dale Trust is a viable organisation aside of other things going on that it can no doubt contribute towards. IMHO a connection in the boardroom of excellent owners will do no harm.
Remember, we had genuine, trustworthy custodians running the club for decades. In its early days, Dale Trust had no interest in a place on the board as members knew there were good people running the club. Roger (to name but one) ended all that. Never again. We have genuine custodians in charge again, but must ALWAYS remain vigilant in the light of past experience. Ownership of the Golden Share is our insurance. Dale Trust has to continue for that reason alone. |  | | |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 23:48 - May 28 with 1210 views | D_Alien |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 23:33 - May 28 by Sandyman |
The Dale Trust is more than likely going to be the owner of the "Golden Share" when all the legals go through. Therefore, it is very important that Dale Trust is a viable organisation aside of other things going on that it can no doubt contribute towards. IMHO a connection in the boardroom of excellent owners will do no harm.
Remember, we had genuine, trustworthy custodians running the club for decades. In its early days, Dale Trust had no interest in a place on the board as members knew there were good people running the club. Roger (to name but one) ended all that. Never again. We have genuine custodians in charge again, but must ALWAYS remain vigilant in the light of past experience. Ownership of the Golden Share is our insurance. Dale Trust has to continue for that reason alone. |
Excellent post
It's just my take on things, but i'd say the Trust board are currently doing everything they can not to do what they see as "rocking the boat" - hence the binary vote, hence no response to clearly expressed views among the membership that the details of the Trust board rep matters
This, imo, is to massively underestimate the Ogdens. Did they get where they are in business by being retiring wallflowers, shrinking at the sight of any independent views? Like hell they did. It's more likely they'd welcome a Trust that has an independent streak
We're Rochdale lads and lasses, after all - it's in our DNA, just as it's in Sir Peter Ogden's DNA. He, and his son Cameron, would recognise an intelligent proposal to change how the Trust interacts with the Dale board. After all, that's why they've set up CAB - to provide independent views from the stands
What we seem to be seeing from the Trust is craven supplication, and that also applies to many Trust members and other fans too. Stop being scared of your own shadow! If you're going to prove yourselves worthy of holding the Golden Share on behalf of us all, get in touch with the membership and arrange the meeting, before it's brought to you [Post edited 29 May 0:04]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 00:20 - May 29 with 1169 views | wozzrafc |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 23:48 - May 28 by D_Alien |
Excellent post
It's just my take on things, but i'd say the Trust board are currently doing everything they can not to do what they see as "rocking the boat" - hence the binary vote, hence no response to clearly expressed views among the membership that the details of the Trust board rep matters
This, imo, is to massively underestimate the Ogdens. Did they get where they are in business by being retiring wallflowers, shrinking at the sight of any independent views? Like hell they did. It's more likely they'd welcome a Trust that has an independent streak
We're Rochdale lads and lasses, after all - it's in our DNA, just as it's in Sir Peter Ogden's DNA. He, and his son Cameron, would recognise an intelligent proposal to change how the Trust interacts with the Dale board. After all, that's why they've set up CAB - to provide independent views from the stands
What we seem to be seeing from the Trust is craven supplication, and that also applies to many Trust members and other fans too. Stop being scared of your own shadow! If you're going to prove yourselves worthy of holding the Golden Share on behalf of us all, get in touch with the membership and arrange the meeting, before it's brought to you [Post edited 29 May 0:04]
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The CAB model could very well be a regulatory requirement very soon and trusts up and down the country will be looking how the address this.
We should be thankful we have a board with the foresight to implement it, and with the trust give two spaces it should be embraced. It gives vehicle to formally engage with the board, without relying on them playing lip service, something previous boards in recent years were sometimes guilty.
It also releases the trust director from the added complication of confidentiality. They can take their place in the boardroom to help knowing that scrutiny and due diligence is being done by others. If the trust director role is being offered by the Ogdens should the trust not ask what they want they would want, in order to get the most out of it? The best of both worlds, scrutiny, influence and engagement, as well as long term security with the golden share.
And it answer to sandymans point of not letting our guard down, the trust director being at the table can observe, and ensure the CAB are getting the correct picture.
That’s even more of an incentive for members to engage with the trust and vice versa. [Post edited 29 May 0:30]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 22:58 - Jul 18 with 141 views | Sandyman |
According to the Dale Trust e mail received this evening, "We have participated at the Club board level by providing a Trust Board Director, which has been invaluable. As the holder of the “Golden Share,” we at the Trust view this position as vital for the future and it will continue. Although we currently have benign ownership, who knows what may happen when the Ogden partnership ends? For members to be able to sanction any changes affecting aspects of our historical heritage is seen as vital by the Trust."
It appears, if true, Dale Trust own the "Golden Share" (if so) in a move that has not been publicised by RAFC or Dale Trust anywhere else? Please correct me if it has.
There is a Dale Trust members meeting before tomorrow's game at 11 AM in Dale Bar. It isn't publicised in tonight's e mail. As in previous Trust correspondence. Hmmmm.... | | | |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 00:51 - Jul 19 with 62 views | D_Alien |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 22:58 - Jul 18 by Sandyman |
According to the Dale Trust e mail received this evening, "We have participated at the Club board level by providing a Trust Board Director, which has been invaluable. As the holder of the “Golden Share,” we at the Trust view this position as vital for the future and it will continue. Although we currently have benign ownership, who knows what may happen when the Ogden partnership ends? For members to be able to sanction any changes affecting aspects of our historical heritage is seen as vital by the Trust."
It appears, if true, Dale Trust own the "Golden Share" (if so) in a move that has not been publicised by RAFC or Dale Trust anywhere else? Please correct me if it has.
There is a Dale Trust members meeting before tomorrow's game at 11 AM in Dale Bar. It isn't publicised in tonight's e mail. As in previous Trust correspondence. Hmmmm.... |
"we at the Trust"
The Dale Trust is the membership, not the Trust board, which exists on behalf of Trust members | |
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