| Election of new Trust main board director 20:31 - May 20 with 13200 views | judd |
Having been forwarded the Trust email, just wondering if any other members have not received it directly?
I'm quite taken aback at some of the claims within it and also the foregone conclusion element too.
Personally think a Trust EGM needs to be called in order for members to direct the Trust board.
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 08:41 - May 24 with 1803 views | wozzrafc |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 08:33 - May 24 by TalkingSutty |
Can the members not demand a meeting if one is not forthcoming. The Trust representatives are in place to represent the members, thats their core function...or have i got that wrong? |
The trust has a constitutional and any member can request a special meeting, similar to a EGM. It needs to be backed by a minimum number of members.
In the original rules that was the highest of 20 members or 10%. Not sure if that has been changed.
I agree that the question is more difficult that just a yes/no answer. I voted yes just to keep the debate alive, but have emailed the trust my views. |  | | |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 09:41 - May 24 with 1699 views | judd |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 08:41 - May 24 by wozzrafc |
The trust has a constitutional and any member can request a special meeting, similar to a EGM. It needs to be backed by a minimum number of members.
In the original rules that was the highest of 20 members or 10%. Not sure if that has been changed.
I agree that the question is more difficult that just a yes/no answer. I voted yes just to keep the debate alive, but have emailed the trust my views. |
I don't appear to have had the survey email neither. | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 09:54 - May 24 with 1661 views | D_Alien |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 08:41 - May 24 by wozzrafc |
The trust has a constitutional and any member can request a special meeting, similar to a EGM. It needs to be backed by a minimum number of members.
In the original rules that was the highest of 20 members or 10%. Not sure if that has been changed.
I agree that the question is more difficult that just a yes/no answer. I voted yes just to keep the debate alive, but have emailed the trust my views. |
A meeting, rather than an EGM imo
The latter takes on a form.of challenge when what's needed is a calm debate. That's why the Trust email vote, which in effect curtails debate, is so unedifying
If the Trust use the outcome of the vote as the end of the matter - now that will need to be challenged
I seem to recall similar dissatisfaction following a binary vote not long since |  |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 09:58 - May 24 with 1646 views | blackdogblue |
I thought long and hard about putting myself forward two years ago and even wrote the application words but something happened on a personal level so didn’t take it any further.
When I got the new e mail I noticed the must be a season card holder, pretty sure that was not there last time so rules me out.
Would I consider it if not, probably as I have a flexible job. Would I challenge the board if needed yes.. do o understand the most important things like accounts, the voice of the customer (fans, this board & trust members yes….
Whilst with the uncertainties of past tyre kickers, NDA’s etc, the club is not North Korea FC, what can be so secretive nowadays??
Truth, Honesty, Respect, Empowerment, Accountabilty and Dedication is the main thread to making this role work if it goes forward. Communication is two way and a yes man is not right for the role.
Just for clarification this is no way aimed at Murray, he has done a fantastic job over the last few years & some rocky times. |  |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 10:23 - May 24 with 1608 views | Dalenet |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 09:58 - May 24 by blackdogblue |
I thought long and hard about putting myself forward two years ago and even wrote the application words but something happened on a personal level so didn’t take it any further.
When I got the new e mail I noticed the must be a season card holder, pretty sure that was not there last time so rules me out.
Would I consider it if not, probably as I have a flexible job. Would I challenge the board if needed yes.. do o understand the most important things like accounts, the voice of the customer (fans, this board & trust members yes….
Whilst with the uncertainties of past tyre kickers, NDA’s etc, the club is not North Korea FC, what can be so secretive nowadays??
Truth, Honesty, Respect, Empowerment, Accountabilty and Dedication is the main thread to making this role work if it goes forward. Communication is two way and a yes man is not right for the role.
Just for clarification this is no way aimed at Murray, he has done a fantastic job over the last few years & some rocky times. |
To be fair BD, the level of detail the shareholders were given for the last financial year was so detailed nobody could suggest the club wasn't transparent. Long may that continue - although I do recognise that the annual report and accounts is backward looking and is somewhat out of date by the time it is issued.
It might be a good idea for the Board to write an end of season communication to fans to provide an update on how they see the season that has just finished, whether they had budgeted for a Wembley visit, plans for the pitch, how season tickets are selling, plans for any capital investment beyond the pitch (if any) ahead of the new season. And of course how they see the playing budget and recruitment for next season. Daleys are realistic about what can be done, but knowing how the summer will pan out might just help with season ticket sales. | | | |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 10:35 - May 24 with 1585 views | TalkingSutty |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 10:23 - May 24 by Dalenet |
To be fair BD, the level of detail the shareholders were given for the last financial year was so detailed nobody could suggest the club wasn't transparent. Long may that continue - although I do recognise that the annual report and accounts is backward looking and is somewhat out of date by the time it is issued.
It might be a good idea for the Board to write an end of season communication to fans to provide an update on how they see the season that has just finished, whether they had budgeted for a Wembley visit, plans for the pitch, how season tickets are selling, plans for any capital investment beyond the pitch (if any) ahead of the new season. And of course how they see the playing budget and recruitment for next season. Daleys are realistic about what can be done, but knowing how the summer will pan out might just help with season ticket sales. |
Some good points there. It would be difficult to believe that any fan would be reluctant to renew their season card having just witnessed this season. We all know that it could have been so much better but to finish fourth in the league is still a good achievement. If the budget is increased, which I'm sure was part of the three year plan, there's no reason for not expecting to finish in a play off place again. It's unrealistic to ever expect to win the league outright and I think finishing in the top three is still a bit unfair. We're going to get out of this league via the play offs and they are a lottery. The more times we compete in them the more chance we have of promotion. |  | | |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 11:04 - May 24 with 1517 views | blackdogblue |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 10:23 - May 24 by Dalenet |
To be fair BD, the level of detail the shareholders were given for the last financial year was so detailed nobody could suggest the club wasn't transparent. Long may that continue - although I do recognise that the annual report and accounts is backward looking and is somewhat out of date by the time it is issued.
It might be a good idea for the Board to write an end of season communication to fans to provide an update on how they see the season that has just finished, whether they had budgeted for a Wembley visit, plans for the pitch, how season tickets are selling, plans for any capital investment beyond the pitch (if any) ahead of the new season. And of course how they see the playing budget and recruitment for next season. Daleys are realistic about what can be done, but knowing how the summer will pan out might just help with season ticket sales. |
Financial Accounts have to be Audited for accuracy otherwise it can give a false impression of Company performance for shareholders / interested parties etc.
A full P&L detail is therefore issued end of year, this is different than progress vs budget which can be available such as Sales vs Budget (ticket, catering, labour costs etc) on a monthly basis.
EBIITDA (earnings before interest, taxes and depreciation of assets is annual in arrears for the reason that is that acronym. I am not an accountant by the way but understand such things in my senior management role in a global company. | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 11:08 - May 24 with 1508 views | judd |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 11:04 - May 24 by blackdogblue |
Financial Accounts have to be Audited for accuracy otherwise it can give a false impression of Company performance for shareholders / interested parties etc.
A full P&L detail is therefore issued end of year, this is different than progress vs budget which can be available such as Sales vs Budget (ticket, catering, labour costs etc) on a monthly basis.
EBIITDA (earnings before interest, taxes and depreciation of assets is annual in arrears for the reason that is that acronym. I am not an accountant by the way but understand such things in my senior management role in a global company. |
Our accounts are no longer audited.
The timing of the last 2 or 3 AGMs were poor, within the rules, but poor, and I think the date of the last one was said to be an outlier. I think we can expect to see more reasonable dates of AGMs going forward. | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 11:08 - May 24 with 1503 views | tony_roch975 |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 09:41 - May 24 by judd |
I don't appear to have had the survey email neither. |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 11:20 - May 24 with 1476 views | blackdogblue |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 11:08 - May 24 by judd |
Our accounts are no longer audited.
The timing of the last 2 or 3 AGMs were poor, within the rules, but poor, and I think the date of the last one was said to be an outlier. I think we can expect to see more reasonable dates of AGMs going forward. |
Missed that somewhere Judd sorry…
As a small PLC & not floated on an open stock market it’s within the rules but dangerous in some ways as can lead to false representation. | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 11:24 - May 24 with 1471 views | judd |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 11:20 - May 24 by blackdogblue |
Missed that somewhere Judd sorry…
As a small PLC & not floated on an open stock market it’s within the rules but dangerous in some ways as can lead to false representation. |
It was voted in at an EGM. We don't meet the legal threshold that requires accounts to be audited. It was a cost saving measure. | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 11:30 - May 24 with 1444 views | 442Dale |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 11:08 - May 24 by tony_roch975 |
nor me |
Which in itself makes any vote and subsequent result pointless. (Yes, even if they now ask supporters to contact them if they haven’t received it).
There is no way the Trust can continue down this path and say they have a mandate from their members without first consulting them properly. They either call a meeting, one which can be joined virtually if possible, or have any subsequent course of action called into question.
As an organisation that represents the club’s supporters, they cannot risk that. |  |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 11:35 - May 24 with 1415 views | wozzrafc |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 09:54 - May 24 by D_Alien |
A meeting, rather than an EGM imo
The latter takes on a form.of challenge when what's needed is a calm debate. That's why the Trust email vote, which in effect curtails debate, is so unedifying
If the Trust use the outcome of the vote as the end of the matter - now that will need to be challenged
I seem to recall similar dissatisfaction following a binary vote not long since |
It’s was just the wording in the constitution
It covered an Annual general meeting and a Special general meeting. But in all purpose they are the same thing.
I think the wording is legally different because you don’t have share holders, or it was a mutual but may be wrong but it is the same thing.
I don’t know if a Special General Meeting is limited to a specific point like anEGM is so it doesn’t have the same narrow debate.
It’s a mechanism for members to ask for a meeting if the board doesn’t propose one, in that way it’s like an EGM. There’s a threshold to be met, but I don’t think the purpose of the meeting has to be as specific as an EGM [Post edited 24 May 11:40]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 11:41 - May 24 with 1399 views | D_Alien |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 11:35 - May 24 by wozzrafc |
It’s was just the wording in the constitution
It covered an Annual general meeting and a Special general meeting. But in all purpose they are the same thing.
I think the wording is legally different because you don’t have share holders, or it was a mutual but may be wrong but it is the same thing.
I don’t know if a Special General Meeting is limited to a specific point like anEGM is so it doesn’t have the same narrow debate.
It’s a mechanism for members to ask for a meeting if the board doesn’t propose one, in that way it’s like an EGM. There’s a threshold to be met, but I don’t think the purpose of the meeting has to be as specific as an EGM [Post edited 24 May 11:40]
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Agree that the wording doesn't necessarily matter (unless for some kind of legal purpose) but a 'meeting' without an enforced vote at the end would - imo - be preferable
One in which all points of views can be aired, angles explored, then fans can go away much more informed and have a good think without the pressure of an immediate vote which can (as we've seen not long since prior to the Ogdens) seem precipitous
Then... ballot the membership
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 11:42 - May 24 with 1398 views | 442Dale |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 11:35 - May 24 by wozzrafc |
It’s was just the wording in the constitution
It covered an Annual general meeting and a Special general meeting. But in all purpose they are the same thing.
I think the wording is legally different because you don’t have share holders, or it was a mutual but may be wrong but it is the same thing.
I don’t know if a Special General Meeting is limited to a specific point like anEGM is so it doesn’t have the same narrow debate.
It’s a mechanism for members to ask for a meeting if the board doesn’t propose one, in that way it’s like an EGM. There’s a threshold to be met, but I don’t think the purpose of the meeting has to be as specific as an EGM [Post edited 24 May 11:40]
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As DAlien says, they just need to call a meeting now rather than force members to go down an “official” route to ensure it takes place.
If the Trust are concerned about how their members feel, which of course they do, I’m sure they’ll be able to arrange this with little problem. | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 12:31 - May 24 with 1312 views | wozzrafc |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 11:42 - May 24 by 442Dale |
As DAlien says, they just need to call a meeting now rather than force members to go down an “official” route to ensure it takes place.
If the Trust are concerned about how their members feel, which of course they do, I’m sure they’ll be able to arrange this with little problem. |
I agree also a meeting is the way to go.
I was just responding to TS question is it possible for the members to demand a meeting. | | | |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 12:42 - May 24 with 1295 views | 442Dale |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 12:31 - May 24 by wozzrafc |
I agree also a meeting is the way to go.
I was just responding to TS question is it possible for the members to demand a meeting. |
Oh yeah, I know. It’s more that you’d hope nobody else starts quoting “the rules” before calling a meeting. | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 23:57 - May 24 with 1029 views | Sandyman |
Before this debate gets out of hand, let's think.
Remember the disaster of bury - numerous fans organisations claiming legitimacy fighting with each other when the enemy was the owner(s). That is the LAST road we need to go down.
When shareholders kicked off the rogue directors in 2021, we then faced the filth of Morton House MGT And First Form Construction, and the clueless vermin Southall, Jarvis, Roger et al. The fanbase was 100% UNITED to win those battles, with the directors, and we won. Disparity between Dale Trust, the CAB and Dale 1907 is unnecessary. We want the same things. Unity is strength.
We have excellent owners, nobody will deny that.
The "Golden Share" has to be held by the established organisation, and large shareholder, Dale Trust. We were told at the club AGM last December that we'd have the details sorted early this year. We've heard nothing since. I hope any wobbles between fan representative groups aren't holding this crucial development back.
The Trust director role hasn't been as effective as we'd like of late. Maybe a new face with renewed vigour for the role could change that.
Methinks the Trust needs to get its act together. I'm sure it can, it has the talent to do so. The last thing we need is hours of contemplating navels regarding rules.
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 04:13 - May 25 with 947 views | D_Alien |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 23:57 - May 24 by Sandyman |
Before this debate gets out of hand, let's think.
Remember the disaster of bury - numerous fans organisations claiming legitimacy fighting with each other when the enemy was the owner(s). That is the LAST road we need to go down.
When shareholders kicked off the rogue directors in 2021, we then faced the filth of Morton House MGT And First Form Construction, and the clueless vermin Southall, Jarvis, Roger et al. The fanbase was 100% UNITED to win those battles, with the directors, and we won. Disparity between Dale Trust, the CAB and Dale 1907 is unnecessary. We want the same things. Unity is strength.
We have excellent owners, nobody will deny that.
The "Golden Share" has to be held by the established organisation, and large shareholder, Dale Trust. We were told at the club AGM last December that we'd have the details sorted early this year. We've heard nothing since. I hope any wobbles between fan representative groups aren't holding this crucial development back.
The Trust director role hasn't been as effective as we'd like of late. Maybe a new face with renewed vigour for the role could change that.
Methinks the Trust needs to get its act together. I'm sure it can, it has the talent to do so. The last thing we need is hours of contemplating navels regarding rules.
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All perfectly true, which is precisely why a meeting is required: to help clear the air and avoid the consequences of peremptory actions | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 06:43 - May 25 with 896 views | TalkingSutty |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 23:57 - May 24 by Sandyman |
Before this debate gets out of hand, let's think.
Remember the disaster of bury - numerous fans organisations claiming legitimacy fighting with each other when the enemy was the owner(s). That is the LAST road we need to go down.
When shareholders kicked off the rogue directors in 2021, we then faced the filth of Morton House MGT And First Form Construction, and the clueless vermin Southall, Jarvis, Roger et al. The fanbase was 100% UNITED to win those battles, with the directors, and we won. Disparity between Dale Trust, the CAB and Dale 1907 is unnecessary. We want the same things. Unity is strength.
We have excellent owners, nobody will deny that.
The "Golden Share" has to be held by the established organisation, and large shareholder, Dale Trust. We were told at the club AGM last December that we'd have the details sorted early this year. We've heard nothing since. I hope any wobbles between fan representative groups aren't holding this crucial development back.
The Trust director role hasn't been as effective as we'd like of late. Maybe a new face with renewed vigour for the role could change that.
Methinks the Trust needs to get its act together. I'm sure it can, it has the talent to do so. The last thing we need is hours of contemplating navels regarding rules.
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Dale Trust, CAB , Dale 1907. Is there are a reason why these three separate entities couldn't merge and all work together under one umbrella? As you say Unity is strength. I remember a ex Trust Chairman mentioning to me during the MH saga that at the conclusion the Trust needs completely revamping to ready itself for the future. That hasn't happened. The landscape of football has changed. The changes at our club have been very evident over the last few years. They say 'make hay while the sun shines' now seems like a ideal time for everybody to come together and thrash out some ideas and implement a collective plan to protect the football club for decades to come. Merging just those three different bodies produces a small army and a very strong think tank. It might take the rest of the year to set out the structure and implement the changes but everybody singing off the same hymn sheet, endorsed by the Ogden family would be well worth it.
I was reading the convoluted rules that somebody has put in place in order to be a Trust Director on the Board, thats a insult to the bread and butter fans that make up the Trust membership, fantastic fans and Trust members who haven't even been consulted. I thought we'd progressed since that sort of thing went on but some people obviously haven't. A closed shop with no consultation with members, who is responsible for implementing that? Is it individuals on the Trust board? I would like to think that it isn't the current Trust Director, or even worse somebody from within the Boardroom. A lack of education deliberately used as a barrier to prevent the majority of fans from applying for the position, disgusting really. I think they call that discrimination! It goes against all what the Ogden family stand up for. Inclusivity should be the buzz word, if somebody with a disability or a young person wants to be a Trust Director and they can add value then they should be helped, encouraged and welcomed. Value comes in different forms, communication with the body you are representing ( the fans) is more important than having the ability to disect financial reports, or a degree in business studies. There's enough brains in the Boardroom to do that and send a copy to the Trust board to be perused at leisure. That's the sort of job spec i would have liked to have seen for the Trust Director before it was hijacked by persons unknown and turned into a unachievable goal for the majority of the fan base..on purpose. Is that how we really want the new era to begin? Is that what the Ogdens want? Those responsible should hang their heads in shame and apologise but they won't.
I'd like to see young fans invited into the Boardroom, let them put their names forward and let them mingle around the club on a weekly basis, sixth form and college students who might be involved in business studies or sport . The club could reach out to local colleges and schools and send out invites. Make them feel important, let them have a pre match meal with the Directors and interact. Those are the type of fans that we need to involve. Turn the fan in the boardroom into a educational experience, instead of a closed shop. Show them how the club works, the various departments etc. In fact you could extend that outside the Boardroom and invite students down from Myerscough College, they do a course in sport pitch maintenance, that could prove beneficial to both parties and also provide sponsorship. There is also scope to invite media students down to the club, catering students, retail and hospitality etc...loads of opportunities to tie in with education facilities.
You could also educate some of our youth who do daft things on matchdays instead of banning them from the ground, give them the opportunity to attend at the club on matchdays, show them the CCTV Control Room, explain the financial consequences to the club in respect of throwing flares on the pitch, entering the pitch, obscene chants etc. Let them meet the Police football liason officer and sit in at the pre match steward and safety briefing. That's educating the youth rather than lazily banning them from attending games. Give them the opportunity to choose education on a two strikes and you're out agreement. Hopefully they will pass on the knowledge gained to their mates.
Why not do that, concentrate on the youth and drop the Trust Director in the Boardroom idea, there's no need for it anymore. Especially somebody who has been secretly sourced and hand picked by a few individuals who have no right to do that in the first place..that's not how a Supporters Trust should be operating. We don't want individuals doing things like that anymore, we've had enough of it now. [Post edited 25 May 11:48]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 10:18 - May 25 with 680 views | blackdogblue |
Some excellent points raised by Sandyman & TS but I do disagree with TS’s point about a Trust Member on the board.. why?
Do I trust SG? … no… he would have sold the club to the first person who actually smiled at him in the darkest hours.
As a major shareholder the Trust should have representation on the board if only to keep an eye on what’s going on as well as putting the best interests of the fans, trust members and the club. | |
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 10:37 - May 25 with 660 views | TalkingSutty |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 10:18 - May 25 by blackdogblue |
Some excellent points raised by Sandyman & TS but I do disagree with TS’s point about a Trust Member on the board.. why?
Do I trust SG? … no… he would have sold the club to the first person who actually smiled at him in the darkest hours.
As a major shareholder the Trust should have representation on the board if only to keep an eye on what’s going on as well as putting the best interests of the fans, trust members and the club. |
I would like to think the club's progressed since those days BDB. SG is operating under different circumstances than he was then. The actions of a desperate man, doing desperate things to save the club? I would like to think so. I'm past all of that now and moved on, i don't think the Ogden family will be reliant on a fan in the boardroom to keep a eye on their club. They have enough of their own people around to do that now. I do understand your sentiments though but with the formation of the CAB i don't think it's a necessity anymore. There are some very good people involved in that . How much weight does the Trust shareholding carry these days anyway? [Post edited 25 May 10:47]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 11:01 - May 25 with 637 views | D_Alien |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 10:18 - May 25 by blackdogblue |
Some excellent points raised by Sandyman & TS but I do disagree with TS’s point about a Trust Member on the board.. why?
Do I trust SG? … no… he would have sold the club to the first person who actually smiled at him in the darkest hours.
As a major shareholder the Trust should have representation on the board if only to keep an eye on what’s going on as well as putting the best interests of the fans, trust members and the club. |
It's the detail such as this that needs ironing out, via open, friendly but frank discussion
There shouldn't be an obstacle put in the way of a Trust rep on the board who doesn't have all the responsibilities involved in the current 'job description'. The rep would then be in a position to keep an eye on proceedings - still maintaining the necessary corporate requirements - but with a much lesser remit
Would the Ogdens be open to this? Who knows, if that option isn't put on the table. One thing that does need settling is the Golden Share - one of their own specifications when they took control of the club, which would then protect against any potential change of ownership in the future - the Ogdens are clearly here for the long haul, but that doesn't mean forever [Post edited 25 May 11:04]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 12:29 - May 25 with 531 views | SuddenLad |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 06:43 - May 25 by TalkingSutty |
Dale Trust, CAB , Dale 1907. Is there are a reason why these three separate entities couldn't merge and all work together under one umbrella? As you say Unity is strength. I remember a ex Trust Chairman mentioning to me during the MH saga that at the conclusion the Trust needs completely revamping to ready itself for the future. That hasn't happened. The landscape of football has changed. The changes at our club have been very evident over the last few years. They say 'make hay while the sun shines' now seems like a ideal time for everybody to come together and thrash out some ideas and implement a collective plan to protect the football club for decades to come. Merging just those three different bodies produces a small army and a very strong think tank. It might take the rest of the year to set out the structure and implement the changes but everybody singing off the same hymn sheet, endorsed by the Ogden family would be well worth it.
I was reading the convoluted rules that somebody has put in place in order to be a Trust Director on the Board, thats a insult to the bread and butter fans that make up the Trust membership, fantastic fans and Trust members who haven't even been consulted. I thought we'd progressed since that sort of thing went on but some people obviously haven't. A closed shop with no consultation with members, who is responsible for implementing that? Is it individuals on the Trust board? I would like to think that it isn't the current Trust Director, or even worse somebody from within the Boardroom. A lack of education deliberately used as a barrier to prevent the majority of fans from applying for the position, disgusting really. I think they call that discrimination! It goes against all what the Ogden family stand up for. Inclusivity should be the buzz word, if somebody with a disability or a young person wants to be a Trust Director and they can add value then they should be helped, encouraged and welcomed. Value comes in different forms, communication with the body you are representing ( the fans) is more important than having the ability to disect financial reports, or a degree in business studies. There's enough brains in the Boardroom to do that and send a copy to the Trust board to be perused at leisure. That's the sort of job spec i would have liked to have seen for the Trust Director before it was hijacked by persons unknown and turned into a unachievable goal for the majority of the fan base..on purpose. Is that how we really want the new era to begin? Is that what the Ogdens want? Those responsible should hang their heads in shame and apologise but they won't.
I'd like to see young fans invited into the Boardroom, let them put their names forward and let them mingle around the club on a weekly basis, sixth form and college students who might be involved in business studies or sport . The club could reach out to local colleges and schools and send out invites. Make them feel important, let them have a pre match meal with the Directors and interact. Those are the type of fans that we need to involve. Turn the fan in the boardroom into a educational experience, instead of a closed shop. Show them how the club works, the various departments etc. In fact you could extend that outside the Boardroom and invite students down from Myerscough College, they do a course in sport pitch maintenance, that could prove beneficial to both parties and also provide sponsorship. There is also scope to invite media students down to the club, catering students, retail and hospitality etc...loads of opportunities to tie in with education facilities.
You could also educate some of our youth who do daft things on matchdays instead of banning them from the ground, give them the opportunity to attend at the club on matchdays, show them the CCTV Control Room, explain the financial consequences to the club in respect of throwing flares on the pitch, entering the pitch, obscene chants etc. Let them meet the Police football liason officer and sit in at the pre match steward and safety briefing. That's educating the youth rather than lazily banning them from attending games. Give them the opportunity to choose education on a two strikes and you're out agreement. Hopefully they will pass on the knowledge gained to their mates.
Why not do that, concentrate on the youth and drop the Trust Director in the Boardroom idea, there's no need for it anymore. Especially somebody who has been secretly sourced and hand picked by a few individuals who have no right to do that in the first place..that's not how a Supporters Trust should be operating. We don't want individuals doing things like that anymore, we've had enough of it now. [Post edited 25 May 11:48]
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| Election of new Trust main board director on 13:46 - May 25 with 442 views | wozzrafc |
| Election of new Trust main board director on 10:18 - May 25 by blackdogblue |
Some excellent points raised by Sandyman & TS but I do disagree with TS’s point about a Trust Member on the board.. why?
Do I trust SG? … no… he would have sold the club to the first person who actually smiled at him in the darkest hours.
As a major shareholder the Trust should have representation on the board if only to keep an eye on what’s going on as well as putting the best interests of the fans, trust members and the club. |
Agreed, this debate has raised some excellent talking points. The comments made by talking sutty has actually raised a thought with me that has not been considered.
Whilst in the past the trust has earned its right to a place on the board as one of the biggest shareholders ,that right has to be given by the football club board, or more precise by the club shareholders, which in all intensive purposes is now the Ogdens.
The fact that the trust has a place on the board is because the clubs board see a benefit in the trust representative being there.
Surely then there needs to be some sort of input from the board as to what they would want from a trust director on the board. While the trust members can elect a trust representative their remit on the board would in some ways be decided between the club and the trust. That should have a bearing on whether trust members want to take up the option of a board place, and the type of person who is required?
After all talking sutty and d_alien might nominate me , no one else is put forward and I end up turning up in the boardroom!! That’s the last bloody thing the Ogdens might want. [Post edited 25 May 13:47]
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