| Varane being sold? on 10:00 - Jun 3 with 3952 views | terryb |
| Varane being sold? on 06:53 - Jun 3 by stainrods_elbow |
Sorry for being 'old-fashioned' again, but, if we keep selling any players who can attract fees after they've been with us for five minutes, how do we build a team (or 'playing style' in the modern parlance) again?
Just asking for a friendly 'goon'. |
You're not "old fashioned" enough to remember selling Clive Clarke, Alan Glover, Ian Evans, Clive Allen & Paul Goddard after being with us for "five minutes" then?
I would argue that those transfer fees made a big contribution to the teams that Stock, Jago & Venables built. Plus Clarke was the only one of those that we paid a transfer fee for. |  | |  |
| Varane being sold? on 15:08 - Jun 3 with 3559 views | numptydumpty |
| Varane being sold? on 10:00 - Jun 3 by terryb |
You're not "old fashioned" enough to remember selling Clive Clarke, Alan Glover, Ian Evans, Clive Allen & Paul Goddard after being with us for "five minutes" then?
I would argue that those transfer fees made a big contribution to the teams that Stock, Jago & Venables built. Plus Clarke was the only one of those that we paid a transfer fee for. |
Colin Clarke wasn't great though, was he ????
Always got him confused with Iain Dowie - no idea why though !! |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 15:13 - Jun 3 with 3540 views | terryb |
| Varane being sold? on 15:08 - Jun 3 by numptydumpty |
Colin Clarke wasn't great though, was he ????
Always got him confused with Iain Dowie - no idea why though !! |
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Clive Clarke, not Colin. Clive was sold to West Bromich circa 1964 & we signed him back in 1969 with Glover going to Albion. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 16:24 - Jun 3 with 3360 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Varane being sold? on 10:00 - Jun 3 by terryb |
You're not "old fashioned" enough to remember selling Clive Clarke, Alan Glover, Ian Evans, Clive Allen & Paul Goddard after being with us for "five minutes" then?
I would argue that those transfer fees made a big contribution to the teams that Stock, Jago & Venables built. Plus Clarke was the only one of those that we paid a transfer fee for. |
Eh? Allen was with us for 5 years + as a youth footballer over two spells; Goddard we had for 3 years. Not an eternity, granted, but both players massively developed with us, and the money was clearly unturndownable at the time, while the players themselves wanted to move. |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 16:38 - Jun 3 with 3319 views | Stanisgod |
| Varane being sold? on 10:00 - Jun 3 by terryb |
You're not "old fashioned" enough to remember selling Clive Clarke, Alan Glover, Ian Evans, Clive Allen & Paul Goddard after being with us for "five minutes" then?
I would argue that those transfer fees made a big contribution to the teams that Stock, Jago & Venables built. Plus Clarke was the only one of those that we paid a transfer fee for. |
Clive made 136 appearances. Not really five minutes. |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 18:01 - Jun 3 with 3126 views | terryb |
| Varane being sold? on 16:24 - Jun 3 by stainrods_elbow |
Eh? Allen was with us for 5 years + as a youth footballer over two spells; Goddard we had for 3 years. Not an eternity, granted, but both players massively developed with us, and the money was clearly unturndownable at the time, while the players themselves wanted to move. |
Allen was only in the first team for a season & Goddard for one & a bit. It was the money we received from their two transfers in 1980 that paid for the team that Venables built. Buying Allen back at less than Arsenal had paid was excellent business & we received a second profit when he went to Tottenham.
Goddard wanted to move? That is definitely news to me & I suspect most Rangers supporters. I can't find anything on line that sugests this to be the case.
And, perhaps Varane would like to go? [Post edited 3 Jun 18:09]
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| Varane being sold? on 18:57 - Jun 3 with 2997 views | PunteR |
Au revoir.
£5 million? Yeh, obviously hold out for more, but that's a decent profit from the amount we paid for him(from figures i may have made up in my head) |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 20:14 - Jun 3 with 2832 views | dmm |
| Varane being sold? on 18:57 - Jun 3 by PunteR |
Au revoir.
£5 million? Yeh, obviously hold out for more, but that's a decent profit from the amount we paid for him(from figures i may have made up in my head) |
£875k plus add ons. But we must keep him. It's clear Varane will get better. Another season and he'll be worth much more, and will have helped us stay in the Championship. |  | | |
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| Varane being sold? on 20:46 - Jun 3 with 2703 views | MedwayR |
| Varane being sold? on 20:14 - Jun 3 by dmm |
£875k plus add ons. But we must keep him. It's clear Varane will get better. Another season and he'll be worth much more, and will have helped us stay in the Championship. |
In an ideal world yes, but if we have a disappointing season and he struggles to perform in a poor team we might not get anywhere near £5m next year.
I'd still prefer to take the risk and keep him though, think of him as money well spent rather than what we could've cashed in for. Unless we get an offer we can't say no to or he wants to go. |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 21:09 - Jun 3 with 2611 views | danehoop |
| Varane being sold? on 20:46 - Jun 3 by MedwayR |
In an ideal world yes, but if we have a disappointing season and he struggles to perform in a poor team we might not get anywhere near £5m next year.
I'd still prefer to take the risk and keep him though, think of him as money well spent rather than what we could've cashed in for. Unless we get an offer we can't say no to or he wants to go. |
If we can get close to £5M cash for Varane we definitely should take it. If it is £2-3M and the rest in add on's then it isn't worth it.
We are a selling club. He is one of our most valuable assets. We didn't get to sell other players when their stock was high and that has hurt us financially. We frankly need the cash at this point. |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 21:50 - Jun 3 with 2524 views | perpignanR |
| Varane being sold? on 15:13 - Jun 3 by terryb |
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Clive Clarke, not Colin. Clive was sold to West Bromich circa 1964 & we signed him back in 1969 with Glover going to Albion. |
Chippy Clarke went to the baggies in 1961. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 21:58 - Jun 3 with 2483 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Varane being sold? on 21:09 - Jun 3 by danehoop |
If we can get close to £5M cash for Varane we definitely should take it. If it is £2-3M and the rest in add on's then it isn't worth it.
We are a selling club. He is one of our most valuable assets. We didn't get to sell other players when their stock was high and that has hurt us financially. We frankly need the cash at this point. |
Apparently Sporting Gijòn get a sizeable sell on. 25 -30% is the rumour which seems very high to me.
However, considering we only paid £800kish then it could well be true.
If it was £8m in cash, I'd grab it. | |
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| Varane being sold? on 22:28 - Jun 3 with 2356 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Varane being sold? on 18:01 - Jun 3 by terryb |
Allen was only in the first team for a season & Goddard for one & a bit. It was the money we received from their two transfers in 1980 that paid for the team that Venables built. Buying Allen back at less than Arsenal had paid was excellent business & we received a second profit when he went to Tottenham.
Goddard wanted to move? That is definitely news to me & I suspect most Rangers supporters. I can't find anything on line that sugests this to be the case.
And, perhaps Varane would like to go? [Post edited 3 Jun 18:09]
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Well, perhaps you (and the fellow fans you purport to speak for) need to live and learn a bit, mate!
This is what Paul G, said of John Lyall before the deal with West Ham was struck:
"'John was intoxicating, he oozed football and the ability to improve you, so within minutes of him starting to talk I was in,’ he said. 'He was a fantastic coach, too, but how he treated you as a person was really important.’"
Didn't sound like he needed too much persuading!
https://blowing-bubbles.co.uk/2022/09/05/paul-goddard-its-great-for-west-ham-tha | |
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| Varane being sold? on 22:43 - Jun 3 with 2323 views | numptydumpty |
| Varane being sold? on 15:13 - Jun 3 by terryb |
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Clive Clarke, not Colin. Clive was sold to West Bromich circa 1964 & we signed him back in 1969 with Glover going to Albion. |
Ahh sorry.
Clive Clarke before my time
Clive Walker just about though.....
But Clive Wilson - now you're talking....
Best Clive Ever !!! [Post edited 3 Jun 22:46]
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| Varane being sold? on 22:50 - Jun 3 with 2285 views | bosh67 |
Normally I'd say he won't go. He has a brand new contract. He loves being here. He has his own song. But it's not about any of this, it's about money. Not so much for Varane but for the club. If they were to come back with £7-8m the club would find it very hard to not sell him. We bought him cheap and £7-8m would be good business for a financially struggling club like us. Is he irreplaceable? No. Would it indicate that we have no ambition? Absolutely.
Let's hope this goes away and he stays and focusses on becoming an even better player for us. |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 07:14 - Jun 4 with 1886 views | londonscottish |
| Varane being sold? on 16:15 - Jun 2 by dm97 |
Definitely not a swipe, I’m saying it’s sad that it’s come to such a ridiculous point because of the (lack of) comms. I posted here many times last summer this approach was disrespectful and dumb.
For what it’s worth, I also don’t think the “ITK” posters who seem to conveniently have a direct route into the club during this time are helping either. Whole thing is depressing and unnecessary in my opinion. |
It's really depressing. Is it Nourry's fault? Or is the owners' fault in lumping all this responsibility on an extremely inexperienced and incredibly young bloke?
Who knows? The result's the same. |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 08:48 - Jun 4 with 1739 views | 7374Ranger |
The fees received for Allen & Goddard was spent on Tommy Langley & the new Loft stand. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 08:53 - Jun 4 with 1716 views | ingeminate |
| Varane being sold? on 08:48 - Jun 4 by 7374Ranger |
The fees received for Allen & Goddard was spent on Tommy Langley & the new Loft stand. |
Like most people think if we get close to 5 mill cash should sell.
It’s just all a bit underwhelming as a supporter. Took my 5 yr old for first time last season to 10 or so games. Who are this favourite players. Jimmy, probably off, Edwards, definitely off. Saito, probably off and Varane. To be fair he likes Nardi and he seems to be staying! Who knows who we’ll bring in, but the lot going will take some replacing! |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 08:55 - Jun 4 with 1699 views | 7374Ranger |
Varanasi has just signed a new contract, so whilst the offer for him represents a reasonable profit QPR should turn it down. Keep him for another season and his value might double or even treble what is offered now. Look at how much Blackburn got fir Adam Wharton. £18 m rising to £22m. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 09:09 - Jun 4 with 1624 views | QPunkR |
| Varane being sold? on 08:55 - Jun 4 by 7374Ranger |
Varanasi has just signed a new contract, so whilst the offer for him represents a reasonable profit QPR should turn it down. Keep him for another season and his value might double or even treble what is offered now. Look at how much Blackburn got fir Adam Wharton. £18 m rising to £22m. |
Yes but you have to factor in the British premium there. Home-grown first team players cost more due to the quotas |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 09:25 - Jun 4 with 1579 views | JamesB1979 |
| Varane being sold? on 08:55 - Jun 4 by 7374Ranger |
Varanasi has just signed a new contract, so whilst the offer for him represents a reasonable profit QPR should turn it down. Keep him for another season and his value might double or even treble what is offered now. Look at how much Blackburn got fir Adam Wharton. £18 m rising to £22m. |
He’s 23 today and will be 24 next summer. Given his age and development this season, I think it’s a safe bet that he will continue to improve. So unless he has a bad injury, I think we can be pretty confident that worst case we will have similar level bids but I would expect there to be more interest and higher bids. It’s not like he’s 27/28. It’s also leaves another big hole to fill in the squad if he goes. [Post edited 4 Jun 9:34]
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| Varane being sold? on 09:32 - Jun 4 with 1549 views | ted_hendrix |
| Varane being sold? on 13:00 - Jun 2 by Tonto |
I would accept £7.5M plus add ons. As long as the £7.5M is pais up front.
But at least other teams are bidding for our playwrs and willi g to pay a semi decent fee. [Post edited 2 Jun 13:00]
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Clubs don't pay the fee up front, ordinarily It's paid in installments. |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 09:36 - Jun 4 with 1520 views | QPRSam |
| Varane being sold? on 08:55 - Jun 4 by 7374Ranger |
Varanasi has just signed a new contract, so whilst the offer for him represents a reasonable profit QPR should turn it down. Keep him for another season and his value might double or even treble what is offered now. Look at how much Blackburn got fir Adam Wharton. £18 m rising to £22m. |
Agree 100%, also think his profile of player is quite a commodity these days. Seeing Jobe apparently going to BVB for 25/30m. We shouldn't be settling for 5m imo | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 09:38 - Jun 4 with 1506 views | gazza1 |
| Varane being sold? on 16:38 - Jun 3 by Stanisgod |
Clive made 136 appearances. Not really five minutes. |
Not sure he played anywhere near that amount of matches for us. Also he left us a lot earlier than 1964, I cannot recall seeing him play for us when I started watching the R's in 1962/63 season. I do recall seeing him play when he returned later in the the 1960's.
As for Varane, overall he did OK for us last season. He made a lot of errors that cost us, played inconsistently, passed backwards too much but that is confidence imho, improved as the season progressed and I liked his attitude, good team player. The big question is will he progress. If we get offered £5, 00 0,000 then we should take it and spend wisely. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 10:09 - Jun 4 with 1361 views | CamberleyR |
| Varane being sold? on 08:48 - Jun 4 by 7374Ranger |
The fees received for Allen & Goddard was spent on Tommy Langley & the new Loft stand. |
Andy King was signed at the same time as well by Tommy Doc for about £400k.
I've looked at our signings and sales in the 80/81 season (thanks to the brilliant qprnet.com stats section) after Tommy Doc was sacked and was surprised. Terry Venables did some really good business and actually turned a profit.
When he took over we signed seven players the first few months:
Sealy 80k
Flanagan 150k
Stainrod 275k
Silkman 20k
Gerry 150k
Fenwick 100k
Burridge 200k
But over the season then recouped:
Woods 225k
McCreery 100k
Harkouk 50k
Neal 125k
Walsh 170k
Hill 80k
Langley 200k
Wicks 700k
The profits from which pretty much enabled us in the close season to buy back Allen from Palace and Gregory from Brighton. |  |
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