| Varane being sold? on 10:10 - Jun 4 with 4110 views | CamberleyR |
| Varane being sold? on 09:38 - Jun 4 by gazza1 |
Not sure he played anywhere near that amount of matches for us. Also he left us a lot earlier than 1964, I cannot recall seeing him play for us when I started watching the R's in 1962/63 season. I do recall seeing him play when he returned later in the the 1960's.
As for Varane, overall he did OK for us last season. He made a lot of errors that cost us, played inconsistently, passed backwards too much but that is confidence imho, improved as the season progressed and I liked his attitude, good team player. The big question is will he progress. If we get offered £5, 00 0,000 then we should take it and spend wisely. |
He's talking about Clive Allen, not Clive Clark. |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 10:33 - Jun 4 with 3995 views | PunteR |
| Varane being sold? on 20:14 - Jun 3 by dmm |
£875k plus add ons. But we must keep him. It's clear Varane will get better. Another season and he'll be worth much more, and will have helped us stay in the Championship. |
I hear what you are saying, but the club looks a mess at the moment. We've all fallen for this before, get another season out of a player and hopefully we'll improve. We never do though. We just end up with players not wanting to be here, or their value just plummets as we have another crap season. Let's be honest, while we fight relegation every season no one is going to come in for our players at around £10 mill. Looks like Dunne is going for nothing. How many players have we held on for too long, trying to negotiate a new contract when the reality is they don't want to be here as they'll get more money elsewhere.. BOS, Sinclair, the Irish lad whose name I can't remember, just too many. £5 mill and we can buy another 5 players. |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 10:34 - Jun 4 with 3999 views | DieByYourSide |
As others have said, if it started getting up towards £7/8m for our two assist, one goal central midfielder you'd have to start thinking pretty seriously about it.
On the flip side, if he could add more attacking output to his game on top of his battling physical attributes then we'd have quite the player. |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 10:42 - Jun 4 with 3959 views | QPRSam |
| Varane being sold? on 10:34 - Jun 4 by DieByYourSide |
As others have said, if it started getting up towards £7/8m for our two assist, one goal central midfielder you'd have to start thinking pretty seriously about it.
On the flip side, if he could add more attacking output to his game on top of his battling physical attributes then we'd have quite the player. |
Talking about his attacking output, this might be controversial but is there not a world where he was coached to play that way? To sit at the base of the midfield, focusing on mopping up and recycling the ball. When played with Field and Morgan/Colback during our good runs this season, they would play as "8's" whilst Varane would sit furthest back protecting the back 4. I also say this because under "Betsy Ball" against Sunderland we saw a lot of the potential with Varane driving with the ball, getting past players.
I think using his G/A is a bit harsh, I'm in no way comparing the two but no one was complaining about Busquets getting 3 G/A in their treble winning season. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 11:01 - Jun 4 with 3893 views | dmm |
| Varane being sold? on 10:33 - Jun 4 by PunteR |
I hear what you are saying, but the club looks a mess at the moment. We've all fallen for this before, get another season out of a player and hopefully we'll improve. We never do though. We just end up with players not wanting to be here, or their value just plummets as we have another crap season. Let's be honest, while we fight relegation every season no one is going to come in for our players at around £10 mill. Looks like Dunne is going for nothing. How many players have we held on for too long, trying to negotiate a new contract when the reality is they don't want to be here as they'll get more money elsewhere.. BOS, Sinclair, the Irish lad whose name I can't remember, just too many. £5 mill and we can buy another 5 players. |
Fair point, and it's all a matter of judgment really. I'm looking at the more optimistic side of Varane's potential to improve and move on for decent money. |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 14:52 - Jun 4 with 3623 views | 7374Ranger |
| Varane being sold? on 08:55 - Jun 4 by 7374Ranger |
Varanasi has just signed a new contract, so whilst the offer for him represents a reasonable profit QPR should turn it down. Keep him for another season and his value might double or even treble what is offered now. Look at how much Blackburn got fir Adam Wharton. £18 m rising to £22m. |
Of course auto spell gets Varane wrong. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 14:53 - Jun 4 with 3616 views | Northernr |
V good sign. |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 14:54 - Jun 4 with 3610 views | 7374Ranger |
| Varane being sold? on 09:09 - Jun 4 by QPunkR |
Yes but you have to factor in the British premium there. Home-grown first team players cost more due to the quotas |
Maybe,but Varane can easily be sold for double what is offered now if he continues to impress. | | | |
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| Varane being sold? on 14:59 - Jun 4 with 3590 views | 7374Ranger |
| Varane being sold? on 09:36 - Jun 4 by QPRSam |
Agree 100%, also think his profile of player is quite a commodity these days. Seeing Jobe apparently going to BVB for 25/30m. We shouldn't be settling for 5m imo |
If Jobe is going for £20m + QPR would be absolute mugs to accept a fee rising up to £5/6m especially as there is a sell on fee due to his former club. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 15:14 - Jun 4 with 3530 views | QPRSam |
| Varane being sold? on 14:59 - Jun 4 by 7374Ranger |
If Jobe is going for £20m + QPR would be absolute mugs to accept a fee rising up to £5/6m especially as there is a sell on fee due to his former club. |
Absolutely agree, as much as I understand we will need to sell players to progress, it's important we aren't taken for mugs in any negotiations as you say.
Le Fee just signed for 20m (I understand was a clause) and Hayden Hackney quoted for 20m to numerous teams. Both good players but it shows how sought after this position can be even at Championship level.
In my opinion there is no reason that JV cannot continue to develop to that level, compare Blackburn A to Sunderland A and it's two completely different players. I think it's also understated how this only his 2nd full season playing professional football week in, week out | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 16:00 - Jun 4 with 3426 views | Match82 |
| Varane being sold? on 08:53 - Jun 4 by ingeminate |
Like most people think if we get close to 5 mill cash should sell.
It’s just all a bit underwhelming as a supporter. Took my 5 yr old for first time last season to 10 or so games. Who are this favourite players. Jimmy, probably off, Edwards, definitely off. Saito, probably off and Varane. To be fair he likes Nardi and he seems to be staying! Who knows who we’ll bring in, but the lot going will take some replacing! |
Some of that is football in general. The one club players are unicorns these days |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 16:19 - Jun 4 with 3337 views | WatfordR |
FWIW, and admittedly with a an assumption or two, as he has just signed a long term extension (my assumption being that means 3-4 years), then we shouldn't be selling him this season unless it's for silly money. That has to be well in excess of £10m.
There's a lot of chat on here about establishing a model as a selling club where we sell one or two players each season for good money, so imo you don't want to be seen to as a soft touch. If we've got a player on 3+ years who looks like he he's got plenty of potential to improve, it's up to any club willing to buy to make us an offer we can't refuse. If it turns out that we keep him and he sustains a career threatening long term injury which drops his value going forward (a la Willock for example), that's just bad luck.
The trick is to have three of four or more players with good potential on longer term contracts, so you're not putting all your eggs in one basket. All easier said than done, but that has to be what we aspire to. |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 17:26 - Jun 4 with 3215 views | gazza1 |
| Varane being sold? on 16:19 - Jun 4 by WatfordR |
FWIW, and admittedly with a an assumption or two, as he has just signed a long term extension (my assumption being that means 3-4 years), then we shouldn't be selling him this season unless it's for silly money. That has to be well in excess of £10m.
There's a lot of chat on here about establishing a model as a selling club where we sell one or two players each season for good money, so imo you don't want to be seen to as a soft touch. If we've got a player on 3+ years who looks like he he's got plenty of potential to improve, it's up to any club willing to buy to make us an offer we can't refuse. If it turns out that we keep him and he sustains a career threatening long term injury which drops his value going forward (a la Willock for example), that's just bad luck.
The trick is to have three of four or more players with good potential on longer term contracts, so you're not putting all your eggs in one basket. All easier said than done, but that has to be what we aspire to. |
Why do you think that Varane is worth £10m???? | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 17:48 - Jun 4 with 3141 views | JamesB1979 |
| Varane being sold? on 17:26 - Jun 4 by gazza1 |
Why do you think that Varane is worth £10m???? |
I think what he means is that given the lad has had 1 season in England, he’s 23, on a long term deal, good injury record and has been improving all season, he’s on path to 10m if we’re getting offers for 5m now. It’s completely different to Willock and Dickie situations previously [Post edited 4 Jun 17:49]
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| Varane being sold? on 18:17 - Jun 4 with 3051 views | WatfordR |
| Varane being sold? on 17:26 - Jun 4 by gazza1 |
Why do you think that Varane is worth £10m???? |
Where did I say I thought he was worth £10m?
The point I was making is he is apparently on a long term contract, unless there's a release clause we don't have to sell him, so if someone wants him, particularly if two or three others apparently want him, make sure they pay us over the odds to get him. Set a precedent that says we won't be ripped off. Whatever his current "value" might be should really be irrelevant. For once we would appear to be in a position of some strength with the player, don't give it away cheaply. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 21:00 - Jun 4 with 2794 views | 1JD |
| Varane being sold? on 10:33 - Jun 4 by PunteR |
I hear what you are saying, but the club looks a mess at the moment. We've all fallen for this before, get another season out of a player and hopefully we'll improve. We never do though. We just end up with players not wanting to be here, or their value just plummets as we have another crap season. Let's be honest, while we fight relegation every season no one is going to come in for our players at around £10 mill. Looks like Dunne is going for nothing. How many players have we held on for too long, trying to negotiate a new contract when the reality is they don't want to be here as they'll get more money elsewhere.. BOS, Sinclair, the Irish lad whose name I can't remember, just too many. £5 mill and we can buy another 5 players. |
The big difference here is that he is the right side of 25 (after which market value plummets every year onwards), well inside of that age 23, and has a long term deal locked in. All factors that drive the price up, not down. It’s readable to expect 5m this year becomes 10m next year, assuming linear progress. And then we flip aged 24. Unless we get beyond 5m this summer, and 7-8m likely does the deal, to which I would agree with.
BOS and Manning, both u23, ran their contracts down and the big error was not signing either to a long term extended deal at the right time, losing millions in the process. That is not the case with Varane right now | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 13:40 - Jun 5 with 2327 views | PunteR |
| Varane being sold? on 21:00 - Jun 4 by 1JD |
The big difference here is that he is the right side of 25 (after which market value plummets every year onwards), well inside of that age 23, and has a long term deal locked in. All factors that drive the price up, not down. It’s readable to expect 5m this year becomes 10m next year, assuming linear progress. And then we flip aged 24. Unless we get beyond 5m this summer, and 7-8m likely does the deal, to which I would agree with.
BOS and Manning, both u23, ran their contracts down and the big error was not signing either to a long term extended deal at the right time, losing millions in the process. That is not the case with Varane right now |
Manning. That was it. :)
Yeh that makes sense, regards his age and contract length but from 875,000 to £5 mill isn't a bad flip. | |
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| Varane being sold? on 14:55 - Jun 20 with 1741 views | JQPR1 |
A second and third bid, with a fourth in the offing - all from different European clubs now reporting by WLS.
Very promising and it’ll be interesting to see how tempted the club get. I feel we’ll probably hold onto him for at least until the Jan window (dependent on how strong his performances become) before selling on.
Could be the bit of gold needed from last summer’s intake!
https://www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/two-more-offers-made-for-qpr-midfielder-vara | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 15:01 - Jun 20 with 1643 views | Stainrod |
| Varane being sold? on 16:19 - Jun 4 by WatfordR |
FWIW, and admittedly with a an assumption or two, as he has just signed a long term extension (my assumption being that means 3-4 years), then we shouldn't be selling him this season unless it's for silly money. That has to be well in excess of £10m.
There's a lot of chat on here about establishing a model as a selling club where we sell one or two players each season for good money, so imo you don't want to be seen to as a soft touch. If we've got a player on 3+ years who looks like he he's got plenty of potential to improve, it's up to any club willing to buy to make us an offer we can't refuse. If it turns out that we keep him and he sustains a career threatening long term injury which drops his value going forward (a la Willock for example), that's just bad luck.
The trick is to have three of four or more players with good potential on longer term contracts, so you're not putting all your eggs in one basket. All easier said than done, but that has to be what we aspire to. |
But if you are a selling club you do have to at some point actually sell a player. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 15:27 - Jun 20 with 1453 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Varane being sold? on 14:55 - Jun 20 by JQPR1 |
A second and third bid, with a fourth in the offing - all from different European clubs now reporting by WLS.
Very promising and it’ll be interesting to see how tempted the club get. I feel we’ll probably hold onto him for at least until the Jan window (dependent on how strong his performances become) before selling on.
Could be the bit of gold needed from last summer’s intake!
https://www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/two-more-offers-made-for-qpr-midfielder-vara |
Bidding war, exactly whats needed. There will be a price where we have to sell, and should if we can bring 2 or 3 players in off the back of it. | |
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| Varane being sold? on 15:33 - Jun 20 with 1377 views | JamieNaz |
Interesting why he's getting so many bids from such different clubs.
Usually suggests an active agent or club trying to sell.
Got to assume the former in this case? | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 15:41 - Jun 20 with 1327 views | kensalriser |
| Varane being sold? on 15:33 - Jun 20 by JamieNaz |
Interesting why he's getting so many bids from such different clubs.
Usually suggests an active agent or club trying to sell.
Got to assume the former in this case? |
Agents aren't going to waste their time unless they think there's a serious opportunity, ie they think they can find an offer big enough to tempt a club that has no plans to sell.
My hunch, based only on the feeling that he'll be worth a lot more in a year, is that he'll stay. |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 15:46 - Jun 20 with 1268 views | Toast_R |
That's him for an ACL next season then... |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 16:26 - Jun 20 with 1022 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Varane being sold? on 15:33 - Jun 20 by JamieNaz |
Interesting why he's getting so many bids from such different clubs.
Usually suggests an active agent or club trying to sell.
Got to assume the former in this case? |
Better get him on garden leave forthwith. |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 16:27 - Jun 20 with 1014 views | Northernr |
| Varane being sold? on 15:33 - Jun 20 by JamieNaz |
Interesting why he's getting so many bids from such different clubs.
Usually suggests an active agent or club trying to sell.
Got to assume the former in this case? |
He’s top or close to it in a lot of the hot analytics categories clubs are looking at.
It’s really great news, the problems we had with assets like Smithies was trying to get more than one club interested so we couldn’t get low balled.
This is v promising. Got to time it right now but there’s also no contract problem as we had with BOS et al. | | | |
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