| Varane being sold? on 09:51 - Jun 21 with 4449 views | Dorse |
| Varane being sold? on 00:02 - Jun 21 by JamieNaz |
Fair play, out of interest, what are these analytics categories?
I'm a loser and I'd actually enjoy an analytics based article about our own team over the past season... |
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| Varane being sold? on 11:01 - Jun 21 with 4184 views | francisbowles |
The point that is being largely overlooked is, it is extremely likely that his agent will have negotiated a release clause.
So, if we receive an offer that matches it, 'the ball is firmly in the players court'.
If this is the case, to here will be little or nothing the club can do if he decides to accept an offer. |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 11:07 - Jun 21 with 4138 views | TK1 |
| Varane being sold? on 11:01 - Jun 21 by francisbowles |
The point that is being largely overlooked is, it is extremely likely that his agent will have negotiated a release clause.
So, if we receive an offer that matches it, 'the ball is firmly in the players court'.
If this is the case, to here will be little or nothing the club can do if he decides to accept an offer. |
100%, was just about to write the same.
Varane will have signed the new contract no doubt partly because of an agreed release clause. His agent will obviously have inserted that sum and is now no doubt trying to entice enough clubs to bid (gardening leave for JV?) so that eventually that sum is triggered. I doubt it's £10 million - but who knows. Regardless, nice fees all round.
That's fine. That's football. QPR definitely need to start selling players for five to ten times what they bought them for on a regular basis. That's how the club attracts more of these players in the first place and starts being able to charge more with each sale and insert higher release clauses.
You can't do that if you hang on to players for too long. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 11:14 - Jun 21 with 4073 views | WatfordR |
| Varane being sold? on 11:01 - Jun 21 by francisbowles |
The point that is being largely overlooked is, it is extremely likely that his agent will have negotiated a release clause.
So, if we receive an offer that matches it, 'the ball is firmly in the players court'.
If this is the case, to here will be little or nothing the club can do if he decides to accept an offer. |
WLS have said twice that the club is expected to reject the bids. So if there’s a release clause, it’s a bit odd that clubs aren’t offering the release price isn’t it. |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 11:32 - Jun 21 with 3961 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Varane being sold? on 11:14 - Jun 21 by WatfordR |
WLS have said twice that the club is expected to reject the bids. So if there’s a release clause, it’s a bit odd that clubs aren’t offering the release price isn’t it. |
I doubt there is a release clause: he is still a developing young player who has only had one decent season. A lot of the interest in him is happening after he signed a new contract.
If he has a great next season then I’d expect his agent to be pushing for a new higher paid contract with a release clause though. He’s looking like a great signing so far. |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 12:37 - Jun 21 with 3745 views | JamieNaz |
Depends. With a release clause you can have lots of stuff in it, like it all being needed to pay up front, or the number of instalments it needs to be in.
Arsenal are paying more for that Zubimendi fella because they're spreading the fee out longer than the release clause stipulates.
We could have a release clause of 7 million, but they're offering it over a few years.
If he has a release clause, his agent would likely be telling teams it if Varane is interested.
I know that's what I'd be doing if I was in his situation.
Equally, he might be really happy and have had some good discussions with the new manager!
Just good to see our players have top level continental interest. Going on the right direction.
Should have plans to reinvest if we do have to sell | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 12:48 - Jun 21 with 3671 views | lassel |
| Varane being sold? on 11:32 - Jun 21 by Ned_Kennedys |
I doubt there is a release clause: he is still a developing young player who has only had one decent season. A lot of the interest in him is happening after he signed a new contract.
If he has a great next season then I’d expect his agent to be pushing for a new higher paid contract with a release clause though. He’s looking like a great signing so far. |
Now wait a minute, Cifuentes was a cnt who we were well rid of because his agent was talking to other clubs, yet Varane’s agent is hawking him around Europe and he is a great little player who we should be keeping?….
I never thought you’d be a hypocrite Ned….. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 12:50 - Jun 21 with 3664 views | lassel |
| Varane being sold? on 11:14 - Jun 21 by WatfordR |
WLS have said twice that the club is expected to reject the bids. So if there’s a release clause, it’s a bit odd that clubs aren’t offering the release price isn’t it. |
I mean not that weird- say for arguments sake the clause is £5m. If you’ve been told by his agent that he wants to join you (and his agent wouldn’t be doing his job if he wasn’t telling every enquiring club that he’s desperate to join them to extract the biggest contract possible from the eventual buyer) why wouldn’t you try your luck at say £4m, then £4.25m etc etc.
If you think you have it in the bag you have nothing to lose by trying to get a better deal. | | | |
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| Varane being sold? on 17:15 - Jun 22 with 2852 views | Match82 |
| Varane being sold? on 12:50 - Jun 21 by lassel |
I mean not that weird- say for arguments sake the clause is £5m. If you’ve been told by his agent that he wants to join you (and his agent wouldn’t be doing his job if he wasn’t telling every enquiring club that he’s desperate to join them to extract the biggest contract possible from the eventual buyer) why wouldn’t you try your luck at say £4m, then £4.25m etc etc.
If you think you have it in the bag you have nothing to lose by trying to get a better deal. |
Wasn't there also something with Suarez a few years ago where Arsenal met the release clause and Liverpool said "nah you're alright"? |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 17:38 - Jun 22 with 2759 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Varane being sold? on 12:48 - Jun 21 by lassel |
Now wait a minute, Cifuentes was a cnt who we were well rid of because his agent was talking to other clubs, yet Varane’s agent is hawking him around Europe and he is a great little player who we should be keeping?….
I never thought you’d be a hypocrite Ned….. |
Ah so you now have inside knowledge that Varane and his agents are pushing to join other clubs just after signing a new contract 😂
Your knowledge is incredible. Surprised you aren’t all over the WW3 thread telling us what is really happening behind the scenes in Iran, Israel or the USA. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 22:10 - Jun 22 with 2447 views | lassel |
| Varane being sold? on 17:38 - Jun 22 by Ned_Kennedys |
Ah so you now have inside knowledge that Varane and his agents are pushing to join other clubs just after signing a new contract 😂
Your knowledge is incredible. Surprised you aren’t all over the WW3 thread telling us what is really happening behind the scenes in Iran, Israel or the USA. |
You seriously think clubs are making offers without speaking to his agent first and getting the nod that he’d be up for the move?!
I know you like to play the contrarian, but I can’t believe you’re frankly daft enough to believe that.. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 22:27 - Jun 22 with 2377 views | JamesB1979 |
| Varane being sold? on 22:10 - Jun 22 by lassel |
You seriously think clubs are making offers without speaking to his agent first and getting the nod that he’d be up for the move?!
I know you like to play the contrarian, but I can’t believe you’re frankly daft enough to believe that.. |
I’ve always thought there’s a difference between whether an agent is up for a player moving and for the player. Most agents are up for a move of their player. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 09:33 - Jun 23 with 1978 views | terryb |
| Varane being sold? on 22:27 - Jun 22 by JamesB1979 |
I’ve always thought there’s a difference between whether an agent is up for a player moving and for the player. Most agents are up for a move of their player. |
The same applies to managers/head coaches | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 09:48 - Jun 23 with 1922 views | QPRSam |
As Mr SE mentioned in another thread, the inevitable incoming of Alou Diarra as an assistant will be great for Varane's development. Not just because of his top career in the same position but he's supposedly held in high regard with his coaching too
Looking forward to how the new management team can continue developing our young players, Stephan also has a great record with this, Camavinga would be relevant who he gave his debut to before selling to Real Madrid for 35m | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 10:24 - Jun 23 with 1764 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Varane being sold? on 22:10 - Jun 22 by lassel |
You seriously think clubs are making offers without speaking to his agent first and getting the nod that he’d be up for the move?!
I know you like to play the contrarian, but I can’t believe you’re frankly daft enough to believe that.. |
Well that’s totally opposite to what you posted: Varane’s agent is hawking him around Europe trying to instigate a move.
You can’t even manage to stick to the same story in successive posts: it’s a bit embarrassing. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 13:48 - Jun 23 with 1594 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Varane being sold? on 12:50 - Jun 21 by lassel |
I mean not that weird- say for arguments sake the clause is £5m. If you’ve been told by his agent that he wants to join you (and his agent wouldn’t be doing his job if he wasn’t telling every enquiring club that he’s desperate to join them to extract the biggest contract possible from the eventual buyer) why wouldn’t you try your luck at say £4m, then £4.25m etc etc.
If you think you have it in the bag you have nothing to lose by trying to get a better deal. |
Hang on, can we step through this logic?
If I'm selling something, like a car, I wouldn't tell the potential buyer I was desperate to sell it. That doesn't push the price up, it pushes it down.
Or am I looking at this the wrong way?
Reminds me of Odemwingie driving down to the training ground on transfer deadline day.
I realise, he would have been invited, he didn't do this himself off spec, but when the deal collapsed it wasn't his agent of was on Sky Sports News was it? |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 13:55 - Jun 23 with 1501 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Varane being sold? on 13:48 - Jun 23 by nick_hammersmith |
Hang on, can we step through this logic?
If I'm selling something, like a car, I wouldn't tell the potential buyer I was desperate to sell it. That doesn't push the price up, it pushes it down.
Or am I looking at this the wrong way?
Reminds me of Odemwingie driving down to the training ground on transfer deadline day.
I realise, he would have been invited, he didn't do this himself off spec, but when the deal collapsed it wasn't his agent of was on Sky Sports News was it? |
But his agent doesn't care what they have to pay for him - he cares about his new salary and signing on fee - from which he'll take a cut.
If anything it probably does work out better for agents if the transfer fee is lower as there's more money in the coffers to pay the player. They love free transfers as they can argue the signing on fee up as they haven't had to pay a transfer fee. |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 14:56 - Jun 23 with 1276 views | lassel |
| Varane being sold? on 10:24 - Jun 23 by Ned_Kennedys |
Well that’s totally opposite to what you posted: Varane’s agent is hawking him around Europe trying to instigate a move.
You can’t even manage to stick to the same story in successive posts: it’s a bit embarrassing. |
Eh? It’s literally 4 posts above.
Cifuentes was a cnt according to your many posts on the matter because his agent as talking to other clubs.
Varane’s agent is talking to many clubs across Europe (with his consent obviously) therefore by your logic he is a cnt who we are well rid of….
Or of course you believe that Espanyol, Rapid Vienna, Basel and St Etienne have made bids without checking with his agent if he’d move there….. [Post edited 23 Jun 15:21]
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| Varane being sold? on 15:00 - Jun 23 with 1243 views | wombat |
| Varane being sold? on 11:14 - Jun 21 by WatfordR |
WLS have said twice that the club is expected to reject the bids. So if there’s a release clause, it’s a bit odd that clubs aren’t offering the release price isn’t it. |
it would be a secret though , nobody knows the relase clause , |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 15:18 - Jun 23 with 1171 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Varane being sold? on 15:00 - Jun 23 by wombat |
it would be a secret though , nobody knows the relase clause , |
Pretty sure his agent would have read it in the contract he signed a few weeks ago and therefore any perspective buyer will also know it. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 15:26 - Jun 23 with 1129 views | lassel |
| Varane being sold? on 22:27 - Jun 22 by JamesB1979 |
I’ve always thought there’s a difference between whether an agent is up for a player moving and for the player. Most agents are up for a move of their player. |
Nobody in 2025 is going to go to the effort of agreeing a deal with the club without ascertaining from the agent that the player is up for the move. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 15:47 - Jun 23 with 1050 views | SpongeParr |
| Varane being sold? on 13:55 - Jun 23 by Padulas_Shampoo |
But his agent doesn't care what they have to pay for him - he cares about his new salary and signing on fee - from which he'll take a cut.
If anything it probably does work out better for agents if the transfer fee is lower as there's more money in the coffers to pay the player. They love free transfers as they can argue the signing on fee up as they haven't had to pay a transfer fee. |
Not sure that's right on this one.
The agent would be telling them the fee to sign, defo.
But to say he is desperate to go there with weaken their negotiations for a higher sign on fee and wages. They would rarely say that their player is desperate to join, as if they are desperate to join, then they don't need tempting by big wages. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 15:53 - Jun 23 with 1013 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Varane being sold? on 15:47 - Jun 23 by SpongeParr |
Not sure that's right on this one.
The agent would be telling them the fee to sign, defo.
But to say he is desperate to go there with weaken their negotiations for a higher sign on fee and wages. They would rarely say that their player is desperate to join, as if they are desperate to join, then they don't need tempting by big wages. |
Didn't say the word desperate or even mention whether Varane wants to go there in any way. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 16:11 - Jun 23 with 970 views | JamesB1979 |
| Varane being sold? on 15:26 - Jun 23 by lassel |
Nobody in 2025 is going to go to the effort of agreeing a deal with the club without ascertaining from the agent that the player is up for the move. |
Has a deal been agreed then? | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 16:17 - Jun 23 with 935 views | lassel |
| Varane being sold? on 16:11 - Jun 23 by JamesB1979 |
Has a deal been agreed then? |
My point, which honestly thought was pretty obvious, was that nobody is going to bother to make offers as allegedly several clubs have, without making sure that Varane would be interested in speaking to them.
It’s a lot of work and hassle to negotiate with a club to then, once permission to talk to the agent is granted, hear ‘yeah thanks for that but I’m fine where I am actually….’ | | | |
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