| Varane being sold? on 15:03 - Jun 2 with 3672 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Varane being sold? on 14:41 - Jun 2 by dm97 |
It’s quite depressing, and telling, of how little many think of the hierarchy (for good reasons). Interest in one of our best younger players having its legitimacy questioned / being linked to some nefarious PR game that apparently we all know about.
I hope summer can cool everyone’s jets. It’s getting a bit mad on here when every bit of news is greeted with “But can we believe this to be true?!”. Just a bit sad imo. |
I can't tell if that's a swipe at fans or a reflection of 'the regime' but it is NOT the default position. There's been little to no conversation about communication and PR gameplay for years and years until the last 18 months.
Like many have been pointing out for a very long time now, an information vacuum will only create speculation. Well take a look at this thread and that point is proven. Fill that vacuum and people may start to take you for your word. A good place to start might be preseason fixtures. |  | |  |
| Varane being sold? on 15:43 - Jun 2 with 3466 views | qpr1976 |
| Varane being sold? on 14:28 - Jun 2 by KensalT |
"However, all very well saying QPR should reject offers, but we should remember the player will have a view on this and the offer will not have come without the agent already indicating to Espanyol a willingness to formally discuss (gardening leave for JV?)."
It will depend on what is in the player's contract.
If there is a buyout clause and the offer meets that then yes the player has to be told and given permission to talk to the other club.
If there's no buyout then QPR don't have to ask JV what he thinks or wants. He's under contract and that's what he agreed to.
I know modern player power means it doesn't always work out like that, but he can hardly down tools and start playing silly buggers at this time of year. Who'd notice!! |
As always, the ball is in the players side of the court, much depends on his ‘new’ contract. Offers from Spain or over £5m and he’s free to speak to them.
Never accept the first offer, tell them it needs to be higher with add ons/sell on clauses like Eze.
Equally, I’d be happy to see him here for another season after which, (with the right manager/coach who rates him ?) his value may well increase…..?
We probably should be looking to sell on for optimum profit by the time they hit 25 in most cases. |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 16:15 - Jun 2 with 3325 views | dm97 |
| Varane being sold? on 15:03 - Jun 2 by Padulas_Shampoo |
I can't tell if that's a swipe at fans or a reflection of 'the regime' but it is NOT the default position. There's been little to no conversation about communication and PR gameplay for years and years until the last 18 months.
Like many have been pointing out for a very long time now, an information vacuum will only create speculation. Well take a look at this thread and that point is proven. Fill that vacuum and people may start to take you for your word. A good place to start might be preseason fixtures. |
Definitely not a swipe, I’m saying it’s sad that it’s come to such a ridiculous point because of the (lack of) comms. I posted here many times last summer this approach was disrespectful and dumb.
For what it’s worth, I also don’t think the “ITK” posters who seem to conveniently have a direct route into the club during this time are helping either. Whole thing is depressing and unnecessary in my opinion. |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 16:18 - Jun 2 with 3242 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Varane being sold? on 13:00 - Jun 2 by Tonto |
I would accept £7.5M plus add ons. As long as the £7.5M is pais up front.
But at least other teams are bidding for our playwrs and willi g to pay a semi decent fee. [Post edited 2 Jun 13:00]
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£7.5m for Varane, a promising but far from accomplished import who had an in-and-out first season in the Champ, is cloud cuckoo land, so anyone would bite off the entirety of your body parts for mad money like that. £2m-£3m would be more than generous. |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 16:21 - Jun 2 with 3280 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Varane being sold? on 16:15 - Jun 2 by dm97 |
Definitely not a swipe, I’m saying it’s sad that it’s come to such a ridiculous point because of the (lack of) comms. I posted here many times last summer this approach was disrespectful and dumb.
For what it’s worth, I also don’t think the “ITK” posters who seem to conveniently have a direct route into the club during this time are helping either. Whole thing is depressing and unnecessary in my opinion. |
Got ya. Couldn't agree more. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 16:35 - Jun 2 with 3147 views | numptydumpty |
Oh QPR...
Varane for sale....
Noooooo !!
Not yet anyhow. End of this season maybe and at least £10 million.
Even if that doesn't materialise then could sell £5 million plus next season if younger cheaper replacement been sourced. |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 16:45 - Jun 2 with 3096 views | terryb |
| Varane being sold? on 16:18 - Jun 2 by stainrods_elbow |
£7.5m for Varane, a promising but far from accomplished import who had an in-and-out first season in the Champ, is cloud cuckoo land, so anyone would bite off the entirety of your body parts for mad money like that. £2m-£3m would be more than generous. |
That is probably about the initial payment that has been offered, with add ons taking the package to £5 million. Especially as WLS stated "a package potentially worth just over £5m".
I doubt that the club would consider an offer of £2 to £3 million & will expect to be able to negoiate close to £5 million as the minimum payment.
IMO Varane is by far our most valuable asset & that there will be more than one club interested in signing him, but whether other clubs meet our valuation remains to be seen. [Post edited 2 Jun 16:52]
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| Varane being sold? on 17:16 - Jun 2 with 2932 views | LazyFan |
The price is £5m at least, they have shown their cards or we have said that's the price and then they tried to negotiate add-ons to that, which we won't accept.
So, it's at least £5m. I would sell for £8m only, as he has great potential. |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 17:24 - Jun 2 with 2905 views | loftboy |
| Varane being sold? on 17:16 - Jun 2 by LazyFan |
The price is £5m at least, they have shown their cards or we have said that's the price and then they tried to negotiate add-ons to that, which we won't accept.
So, it's at least £5m. I would sell for £8m only, as he has great potential. |
Bloody hell, it took me most of the season to learn the words to his song! |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 17:30 - Jun 2 with 2879 views | E17hoop |
The 'model' is to buy cheap, sell high. Even at £3m, that's a fourfold increase on what we paid out.
As much as it pains me to say it, say thank you, sell, go again. £3m is a quarter's worth of donations by our owner - it'd be difficult to reject it. |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 17:38 - Jun 2 with 2832 views | daveB |
If it's 5 million up front you take but sounds like it's based on multiple things so can see why they are saying no to start with |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 18:07 - Jun 2 with 2694 views | rbee |
| Varane being sold? on 15:00 - Jun 2 by KensalT |
My previous reply to you was just me being over pedantic - not one of my finer features :-) about whether we need to take JV's wishes into account at this point.
Overall I agree with you that it's a good thing we have seen one of our signings from last summer settle in and grow into a better and more valuable player.
Let's hope there's plenty more where that came from. [Post edited 2 Jun 15:01]
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Very much my first thoughts. If JV wants to head back to Spain there isn't much that we can do about it. |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 18:12 - Jun 2 with 2676 views | silverbirch |
| Varane being sold? on 14:18 - Jun 2 by QPRSam |
It's definitely come from the club as "Rangers are expected to reject the offer" but you have spun this in a completely negative way. If it was a fabrication as you suggest, it'd come back to the player and potentially be a unnecessary messy situation no?
I'm not buying any conspiracies and will just take the positives, a kid that we spent 800k last summer has in a year at least 5x'd his value and we are still in a position to reject and rightfully demand more. This after we just tied him down to a new long term contract.
As you later added this should be nothing but positive and Varane is a great case study. Came in and really struggled at the start but at the end of the season was showing levels above a Prem midfield containing Rigg, Le Fee and Bellingham. Credit to the player and the development team, hopefully one of many for the future. |
To me, ‘Rangers expect to reject the offer.’ would mean it’s come from the club.
‘Rangers are expected to reject the offer.’ means that someone, anyone, expects Rangers to reject the offer. Info may have come from the club, may have come from the agent, may have come from the other club and someone, maybe the journalist, wanting to sound like he has spoken to the club, says Rangers are expected to reject the offer. Whether he expects it or the tea boy expects it doesn’t matter - someone expects it so it is added to the article. [Post edited 2 Jun 21:03]
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| Varane being sold? on 18:39 - Jun 2 with 2530 views | Jules4367 |
| Varane being sold? on 13:46 - Jun 2 by Andybrat |
Exactly , sorry guys this is under Nourry’s watch, which I have pointed out elsewhere. Got a new contract signed early as well !! I just support the club but this is evidence of strategy working, plus obviously the DS winning the PL Cup. Way too early to sell and new contract means ball is in our court, how often have we said that. |
I was going to reply and say
63 times last season
58 times 23/24
71 times 22/23
59 times 21/22
but then I saw it said " ball is in our COURT, how often have we said that" instead of
"Ball is in our NET , how many times have we said that?"  | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 18:41 - Jun 2 with 2527 views | derbyhoop |
There's so little real information coming out of the club that it's very easy to attribute nefarious motives to every little piece that does manage to escape.
Personally, I think it's far too early for us to contemplate selling JV, as he is still developing. Note to Espanyol.
Come back in a year's time with a serious offer, i.e. double what you think this Summer, and it will be considered. |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 18:58 - Jun 2 with 2466 views | Match82 |
| Varane being sold? on 17:30 - Jun 2 by E17hoop |
The 'model' is to buy cheap, sell high. Even at £3m, that's a fourfold increase on what we paid out.
As much as it pains me to say it, say thank you, sell, go again. £3m is a quarter's worth of donations by our owner - it'd be difficult to reject it. |
That's fine if you have a decent hit rate like Brentford do/did.
But we've not exactly been batting with a high average over the last few years, my confidence level in our ability to reinvest that money correctly is lower than my confidence that varane will be worth more in a year than he is today |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 19:11 - Jun 2 with 2401 views | kensalriser |
| Varane being sold? on 17:30 - Jun 2 by E17hoop |
The 'model' is to buy cheap, sell high. Even at £3m, that's a fourfold increase on what we paid out.
As much as it pains me to say it, say thank you, sell, go again. £3m is a quarter's worth of donations by our owner - it'd be difficult to reject it. |
What he cost is irrelevant now, it's what he might be worth that matters.
You wouldn't sell your bitcoin for 50% of its value on the basis it's worth four times what it cost. |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 19:21 - Jun 2 with 2354 views | QPR_John |
| Varane being sold? on 13:52 - Jun 2 by BrianMcCarthy |
The line 'Rangers are expected to reject the offer' would seem to suggest that this leak is from inside Rangers rather than elsewhere, as only Rangers would know that.
Would be nice if it is true, as interest in our players is a good thing.
Would be nice too if we rejected the first offer.
I suppose we'll find out in time. |
“ The line 'Rangers are expected to reject the offer' would seem to suggest that this leak is from inside Rangers rather than elsewhere, as only Rangers would know that.”
Don’t see how that can suggest a leak from the club. The clue is “expected” it is an opinion. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 01:37 - Jun 3 with 1867 views | Benny_the_Ball |
If there's any truth to these rumours then the recent contract extension was timely. |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 04:50 - Jun 3 with 1720 views | macclesfieldman |
I rate JV as potentially our best player. To lose him, Edwards and Dunne from a team that only finished 15th last season and I'd expect us to be a relegation candidate this coming season |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 06:49 - Jun 3 with 1529 views | numptydumpty |
Appreciate he had a decent second half of the season but if his name was John Smith and also the fact, he is the younger brother of a top professional adds a couple of million on top of his valuation
Look at Jobe Bellingham off to Borussia Dortmund. He is decent but the move is happening because of the relative.
Not complaining. Just saying. | |
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| Varane being sold? on 06:53 - Jun 3 with 1509 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Varane being sold? on 14:32 - Jun 2 by 89_50 |
This is the model in action, which is exactly what we want.
Fee feels too low for the potential the player has, but selling at the right time (something we rarely do) and reinvesting is the only way we realistically move up in this world.
I do wonder what the number is that we'd entertain for him - especially given Espanyol are supposedly getting a wedge for their goalkeeper. |
Sorry for being 'old-fashioned' again, but, if we keep selling any players who can attract fees after they've been with us for five minutes, how do we build a team (or 'playing style' in the modern parlance) again?
Just asking for a friendly 'goon'. | |
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| Varane being sold? on 06:55 - Jun 3 with 1513 views | Gus_iom |
| Varane being sold? on 19:11 - Jun 2 by kensalriser |
What he cost is irrelevant now, it's what he might be worth that matters.
You wouldn't sell your bitcoin for 50% of its value on the basis it's worth four times what it cost. |
Or your gold reserves...... | |
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| Varane being sold? on 06:56 - Jun 3 with 1492 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Varane being sold? on 18:58 - Jun 2 by Match82 |
That's fine if you have a decent hit rate like Brentford do/did.
But we've not exactly been batting with a high average over the last few years, my confidence level in our ability to reinvest that money correctly is lower than my confidence that varane will be worth more in a year than he is today |
As I told Clive at the time, Brentford got lucky with their 'hit rate', and their 'model' is certainly not the norm. If it were, everyone would be getting rich (lucky) and climbing the leagues. | |
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| Varane being sold? on 07:39 - Jun 3 with 1364 views | SK_hoops |
A rare nugget of information from the house of Usher. | | | |
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