| Varane being sold? on 16:29 - Jun 20 with 3812 views | Northernr |
| Varane being sold? on 10:34 - Jun 4 by DieByYourSide |
As others have said, if it started getting up towards £7/8m for our two assist, one goal central midfielder you'd have to start thinking pretty seriously about it.
On the flip side, if he could add more attacking output to his game on top of his battling physical attributes then we'd have quite the player. |
This is the dance isn’t it? You get a dozen games out of him like he played at Sunderland we’re going to be swimming in poon. Play like he played at Portsmouth, or worse still a bad injury, or we get relegated, not so much. |  | |  |
| Varane being sold? on 16:35 - Jun 20 with 3754 views | Lblock |
Be really sad to see Varanne go at this stage - I really do think he's got more development in him to make him a £10mill player.
My feeling is a great start to the season will see him leave in January for £8mill plus add ons |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 16:47 - Jun 20 with 3653 views | rbee |
As he is modelling our new training gear I would be surprised if he was leaving anytime soon. |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 16:53 - Jun 20 with 3627 views | DieByYourSide |
| Varane being sold? on 16:29 - Jun 20 by Northernr |
This is the dance isn’t it? You get a dozen games out of him like he played at Sunderland we’re going to be swimming in poon. Play like he played at Portsmouth, or worse still a bad injury, or we get relegated, not so much. |
Admittedly did not watch the Sunderland game he played out of his skin in...because it was a dead rubber. Even Madsen was good up there wasn't he? |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 16:58 - Jun 20 with 3570 views | Beckenhamhoop |
| Varane being sold? on 16:29 - Jun 20 by Northernr |
This is the dance isn’t it? You get a dozen games out of him like he played at Sunderland we’re going to be swimming in poon. Play like he played at Portsmouth, or worse still a bad injury, or we get relegated, not so much. |
Admittedly he did look really good but we won’t come up against 12 teams as disinterested as Sunderland were. I’ve never been entirely convinced by him and would gladly sell for decent money. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 17:04 - Jun 20 with 3505 views | Northernr |
| Varane being sold? on 16:53 - Jun 20 by DieByYourSide |
Admittedly did not watch the Sunderland game he played out of his skin in...because it was a dead rubber. Even Madsen was good up there wasn't he? |
Like I say, you need that a dozen times. He played like a tossr at Portsmouth.
But this is overall a big positive! | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 17:09 - Jun 20 with 3454 views | WatfordR |
| Varane being sold? on 16:29 - Jun 20 by Northernr |
This is the dance isn’t it? You get a dozen games out of him like he played at Sunderland we’re going to be swimming in poon. Play like he played at Portsmouth, or worse still a bad injury, or we get relegated, not so much. |
From a fan's viewpoint, and from the starting point of us not being allowed nice things, we expect whatever decision taken on Varane to turn to sh1t the minute after we take it.
But the people making decisions at the club have to be a bit more brass necked imo. The guy is now on a "long term" (say min 3 year) contract, he's young, he's improved in the season he's been with us and there's no reason to suppose that improvement shouldn't continue.
Maybe if Eze doesn't go, there's more pressure on us to sell someone for good money. I'd imagine the board will already have a good idea of the Eze situation. Assuming we're not under FFP pressure, imo Varane should not be going anywhere unless someone offers silly money, say £10m+. We've got to stop behaving like we are small time somewhere along the line. |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 17:13 - Jun 20 with 3409 views | loftupper |
| Varane being sold? on 17:09 - Jun 20 by WatfordR |
From a fan's viewpoint, and from the starting point of us not being allowed nice things, we expect whatever decision taken on Varane to turn to sh1t the minute after we take it.
But the people making decisions at the club have to be a bit more brass necked imo. The guy is now on a "long term" (say min 3 year) contract, he's young, he's improved in the season he's been with us and there's no reason to suppose that improvement shouldn't continue.
Maybe if Eze doesn't go, there's more pressure on us to sell someone for good money. I'd imagine the board will already have a good idea of the Eze situation. Assuming we're not under FFP pressure, imo Varane should not be going anywhere unless someone offers silly money, say £10m+. We've got to stop behaving like we are small time somewhere along the line. |
Its already an improvement (step in the right direction) to have players that clubs are interested in. Hope the club have faith in the system and their ability to coach him further.
Do wonder whether he and his agent are engineering this as he does want to move though | | | |
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| Varane being sold? on 17:13 - Jun 20 with 3406 views | Northernr |
| Varane being sold? on 17:09 - Jun 20 by WatfordR |
From a fan's viewpoint, and from the starting point of us not being allowed nice things, we expect whatever decision taken on Varane to turn to sh1t the minute after we take it.
But the people making decisions at the club have to be a bit more brass necked imo. The guy is now on a "long term" (say min 3 year) contract, he's young, he's improved in the season he's been with us and there's no reason to suppose that improvement shouldn't continue.
Maybe if Eze doesn't go, there's more pressure on us to sell someone for good money. I'd imagine the board will already have a good idea of the Eze situation. Assuming we're not under FFP pressure, imo Varane should not be going anywhere unless someone offers silly money, say £10m+. We've got to stop behaving like we are small time somewhere along the line. |
Right with you mate. It appears, though of course the plebs aren’t allowed to know, they’ve managed the contract situation well which has been a big issue in the past with BOS, Manning etc. So we hold cards this time.
But then at one point Chris Willock was rated in the top ten players outside the Prem, Rob Dickie was tearing things up, Seny Dieng was being watched by Everton, Ilias Chair… You’ve got to be careful. Selling at the right time is an art form. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 17:18 - Jun 20 with 3361 views | ted_hendrix |
Football Is mental but I can't see a chairman of another club getting his wallet out and agreeing to pay £10 Million for Varane, yes I know you pay in installments but even so. |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 17:19 - Jun 20 with 3351 views | E1Hoop |
| Varane being sold? on 17:09 - Jun 20 by WatfordR |
From a fan's viewpoint, and from the starting point of us not being allowed nice things, we expect whatever decision taken on Varane to turn to sh1t the minute after we take it.
But the people making decisions at the club have to be a bit more brass necked imo. The guy is now on a "long term" (say min 3 year) contract, he's young, he's improved in the season he's been with us and there's no reason to suppose that improvement shouldn't continue.
Maybe if Eze doesn't go, there's more pressure on us to sell someone for good money. I'd imagine the board will already have a good idea of the Eze situation. Assuming we're not under FFP pressure, imo Varane should not be going anywhere unless someone offers silly money, say £10m+. We've got to stop behaving like we are small time somewhere along the line. |
Yes would agree with all this with regards Varane and us being able to generate income from player sales. But the manager and DoF will also have their plans for the season. If it is to finish top half then maybe £5m for Varane allows us to build a better squad. Not saying that it does necessarily but that the decision on Varane is wider than just him. It is part of how do we recruit a squad that meets our overall objectives. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 17:22 - Jun 20 with 3296 views | Metallica_Hoop |
| Varane being sold? on 17:13 - Jun 20 by Northernr |
Right with you mate. It appears, though of course the plebs aren’t allowed to know, they’ve managed the contract situation well which has been a big issue in the past with BOS, Manning etc. So we hold cards this time.
But then at one point Chris Willock was rated in the top ten players outside the Prem, Rob Dickie was tearing things up, Seny Dieng was being watched by Everton, Ilias Chair… You’ve got to be careful. Selling at the right time is an art form. |
I wouldn't accept anything under 10m either.
I'm really hoping he stays fit and has a stormer and we have another Eze-ish (though lower) money player on our hands.
However with us things rarely works out like that.
I'm going to be positive though, 15m next season.
Opps didn't mean to reply to you North. [Post edited 20 Jun 17:25]
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| Varane being sold? on 17:23 - Jun 20 with 3287 views | derbyhoop |
We've seen Varane develop massively over his 1st season. If that development continues a £10m fee will seem par for the course. That has to be the model for mid table Championship sides. Like Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth before.0 |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 17:47 - Jun 20 with 3128 views | QPunkR |
| Varane being sold? on 16:47 - Jun 20 by rbee |
As he is modelling our new training gear I would be surprised if he was leaving anytime soon. |
He can take it with him, Shirley |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 18:10 - Jun 20 with 3018 views | LazyFan |
We should sell for £8.6m in straight cash with 20% Eze clause, which will be over €10m.
It seems that the Euros are the ones who want him, so that's as far as they would go to €10m.
For that money, we could buy a £2m replacement, another punt on young number 9 for £2m, leaving 0.6m for the usual prem Jan loans and £4m so we do not have to sell anyone else this season.
If he goes for €20m two years later we shall then get €4m as per the 20% sell on so, another £3.5m. The Eze way. |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 18:23 - Jun 20 with 2937 views | Sonic_Hoop |
| Varane being sold? on 17:47 - Jun 20 by QPunkR |
He can take it with him, Shirley |
On our budget? That would leave somebody having to play in skins. |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 19:50 - Jun 20 with 2577 views | WatfordR |
| Varane being sold? on 17:13 - Jun 20 by Northernr |
Right with you mate. It appears, though of course the plebs aren’t allowed to know, they’ve managed the contract situation well which has been a big issue in the past with BOS, Manning etc. So we hold cards this time.
But then at one point Chris Willock was rated in the top ten players outside the Prem, Rob Dickie was tearing things up, Seny Dieng was being watched by Everton, Ilias Chair… You’ve got to be careful. Selling at the right time is an art form. |
i guess the issue is when you only have one player at any given time who is a sellable asset.
I'd also previously said that the real art is having a conveyor belt of players developing so that at any time you've got maybe three or four players who might attract decent money. Then you're not in a position where this year's Eze breaks a leg and the financial plan goes out the window.
Obviously not that simple otherwise everyone would be doing it, but I'd have thought that has to be Nourry's remit. Give him three years, at the end of which we've got to have three players similar to Varane, attracting significant offers in transfer windows, or he has failed, and he's out Each year after that, same terms or he's failed and he's out.
There is so much to be done at the club at so many different levels. Unless someone takes it upon themselves at a board level to address it all, we as a club and business continue to fail. Having an owner throwing a couple of million at it every month to accept failure as a culture just isn't good enough for our club or for us, and by nature it ought not to be good enough for any businessman who has been successful in any other venture. | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 19:59 - Jun 20 with 2479 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Varane being sold? on 04:50 - Jun 3 by macclesfieldman |
I rate JV as potentially our best player. To lose him, Edwards and Dunne from a team that only finished 15th last season and I'd expect us to be a relegation candidate this coming season |
Even if we don't (and now one at least is a keeper), we're clearly still relegation candidates on paper. Again! |  |
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| Varane being sold? on 20:06 - Jun 20 with 2427 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Varane being sold? on 17:09 - Jun 20 by WatfordR |
From a fan's viewpoint, and from the starting point of us not being allowed nice things, we expect whatever decision taken on Varane to turn to sh1t the minute after we take it.
But the people making decisions at the club have to be a bit more brass necked imo. The guy is now on a "long term" (say min 3 year) contract, he's young, he's improved in the season he's been with us and there's no reason to suppose that improvement shouldn't continue.
Maybe if Eze doesn't go, there's more pressure on us to sell someone for good money. I'd imagine the board will already have a good idea of the Eze situation. Assuming we're not under FFP pressure, imo Varane should not be going anywhere unless someone offers silly money, say £10m+. We've got to stop behaving like we are small time somewhere along the line. |
I've been saying this for a long time - people tend to take you at the value you place on yourself in life, unless they're stupid and don't recognise you for what/who you are - but, sadly, we are 'small time' these days. | |
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| Varane being sold? on 20:30 - Jun 20 with 2321 views | LazyFan |
Of course if a club is not willing to buy Varane for proper monies, it is our duty to offer them say Madsen for £5m, as that would only be fair. | |
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| Varane being sold? on 21:03 - Jun 20 with 2160 views | colinallcars |
Varane certainly “ came on a bundle” as my old dad would have said.
Even Madsen occasionally shows some good touches and if he would “put 'imself abaht a bit“ to quote dad again, he could yet be a good 'un. |  | | |
| Varane being sold? on 21:37 - Jun 20 with 2001 views | Rsole |
| Varane being sold? on 17:13 - Jun 20 by Northernr |
Right with you mate. It appears, though of course the plebs aren’t allowed to know, they’ve managed the contract situation well which has been a big issue in the past with BOS, Manning etc. So we hold cards this time.
But then at one point Chris Willock was rated in the top ten players outside the Prem, Rob Dickie was tearing things up, Seny Dieng was being watched by Everton, Ilias Chair… You’ve got to be careful. Selling at the right time is an art form. |
#mickbeale ——- for most of those decisions, dear.
One wonders, Camilla, if that’s another reason that Mr CIF had to go….if he ever stops mowing.
‘Oh, you insist on Jona staying do you ?’
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| Varane being sold? on 21:53 - Jun 20 with 1958 views | Hoopsie |
| Varane being sold? on 17:13 - Jun 20 by Northernr |
Right with you mate. It appears, though of course the plebs aren’t allowed to know, they’ve managed the contract situation well which has been a big issue in the past with BOS, Manning etc. So we hold cards this time.
But then at one point Chris Willock was rated in the top ten players outside the Prem, Rob Dickie was tearing things up, Seny Dieng was being watched by Everton, Ilias Chair… You’ve got to be careful. Selling at the right time is an art form. |
“Selling is an art form” I agree absolutely
If Bus Stop can do it, it can be done. We have to learn.
If Varane goes, and with decent money, it can kick start our reputation as a selling club with players other clubs want, players want to come and clubs look into our squad for reinforcements - we hold the cards and negotiate to our best interests
If you look at the first team, players like Morrison, Morgan, Dembele and even Kelman can be the next Varane. Our development squad is teeming with interesting and promising young players, that is a strong sign.
So far our contract negotiations and extensions with our players seem to go well, we are not being held to ransom especially in Dunne case, and we managed to wrapped it up eventually with win-win to both club and player. Maybe Nourry is getting it right? Maybe that is his forte? Maybe he has assessed our history with players like BOS, Manning (walking away free due to OOC), Dickie, Dieng, Willock (not selling and missing the windows when stock was high) and came out with a strategy to do these things better? Do you think we sold Armstrong at the right time and at the right price?
Certainly other aspects can be improved massively like Celar and Madsen, these are the negatives but they have the potential to improve and find their feet this coming season - all is not lost, yet [Post edited 20 Jun 21:55]
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| Varane being sold? on 00:02 - Jun 21 with 1700 views | JamieNaz |
| Varane being sold? on 16:27 - Jun 20 by Northernr |
He’s top or close to it in a lot of the hot analytics categories clubs are looking at.
It’s really great news, the problems we had with assets like Smithies was trying to get more than one club interested so we couldn’t get low balled.
This is v promising. Got to time it right now but there’s also no contract problem as we had with BOS et al. |
Fair play, out of interest, what are these analytics categories?
I'm a loser and I'd actually enjoy an analytics based article about our own team over the past season... | | | |
| Varane being sold? on 00:17 - Jun 21 with 1649 views | SydneyRs |
| Varane being sold? on 21:53 - Jun 20 by Hoopsie |
“Selling is an art form” I agree absolutely
If Bus Stop can do it, it can be done. We have to learn.
If Varane goes, and with decent money, it can kick start our reputation as a selling club with players other clubs want, players want to come and clubs look into our squad for reinforcements - we hold the cards and negotiate to our best interests
If you look at the first team, players like Morrison, Morgan, Dembele and even Kelman can be the next Varane. Our development squad is teeming with interesting and promising young players, that is a strong sign.
So far our contract negotiations and extensions with our players seem to go well, we are not being held to ransom especially in Dunne case, and we managed to wrapped it up eventually with win-win to both club and player. Maybe Nourry is getting it right? Maybe that is his forte? Maybe he has assessed our history with players like BOS, Manning (walking away free due to OOC), Dickie, Dieng, Willock (not selling and missing the windows when stock was high) and came out with a strategy to do these things better? Do you think we sold Armstrong at the right time and at the right price?
Certainly other aspects can be improved massively like Celar and Madsen, these are the negatives but they have the potential to improve and find their feet this coming season - all is not lost, yet [Post edited 20 Jun 21:55]
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Brentford was a slow burn and certainly didn't happen overnight. Takes many years of doing it right to succeed. | | | |
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