| Ben Williams is back on 03:57 - Jun 5 with 2423 views | Hoopsie |
| Ben Williams is back on 22:41 - Jun 4 by SW_Ranger |
I like the way you’re thinking Clive … see ‘out of the box’ and soon the possible will come along. I think we have actually tried the ‘no goalkeeper’ option in the past. That didn’t work either to be fair  |
Has anyone thought that now he is back "full time" we may be paying more for his services?
Perhaps having him work remotely is one way to cut some cost, but working off shore clearly didn't work
Now we may be paying him more but not sure if he is any good cue the Brooklyn stint and his first season here might be attributed to luck as people here have you believed? |  |
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| Ben Williams is back on 07:11 - Jun 5 with 2244 views | HammersmithR |
Bet the bloke can’t wait to come back to the UK. Higher taxes and the grim weather. |  | | |
| Ben Williams is back on 08:57 - Jun 5 with 2076 views | thehat |
Great news we messed up corrected the mistake and we can move on. Let's hope we can get back to having JCS on the pitch for 30+ games this season.
Now sort out the differences with Marti get him back in the fold and we can all move on and maybe start looking forward to Pre Season and beyond. | | | |
| Ben Williams is back on 09:03 - Jun 5 with 2041 views | SW_Ranger |
| Ben Williams is back on 03:57 - Jun 5 by Hoopsie |
Has anyone thought that now he is back "full time" we may be paying more for his services?
Perhaps having him work remotely is one way to cut some cost, but working off shore clearly didn't work
Now we may be paying him more but not sure if he is any good cue the Brooklyn stint and his first season here might be attributed to luck as people here have you believed? |
Or maybe he has let the club know he feels bad about last year and has offered his services at the same rate as year one (as he’s made a good wedge off-shore). He’s also agreed to follow Martí on Social Media just in case he has any questions.
It’s all about building positive bridges  | | | |
| Ben Williams is back on 09:11 - Jun 5 with 2018 views | aston_hoop |
| Ben Williams is back on 09:03 - Jun 5 by SW_Ranger |
Or maybe he has let the club know he feels bad about last year and has offered his services at the same rate as year one (as he’s made a good wedge off-shore). He’s also agreed to follow Martí on Social Media just in case he has any questions.
It’s all about building positive bridges |
But probably not |  |
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| Ben Williams is back on 09:26 - Jun 5 with 1984 views | CateLeBonR |
| Ben Williams is back on 09:03 - Jun 5 by SW_Ranger |
Or maybe he has let the club know he feels bad about last year and has offered his services at the same rate as year one (as he’s made a good wedge off-shore). He’s also agreed to follow Martí on Social Media just in case he has any questions.
It’s all about building positive bridges |
Pay as you train deal?
It might all have been part of our ‘chucking things over board’ exercise to conform with FFP rules? I know that our injury record last season wasn’t great but we still achieved the same points total as 23/24 and even finished higher in the league. Seems to be a lot of fuss about not very much but probably not helped by the manager situation, as well as the club’s media policy. |  | | |
| Ben Williams is back on 09:49 - Jun 5 with 1899 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Ben Williams is back on 07:11 - Jun 5 by HammersmithR |
Bet the bloke can’t wait to come back to the UK. Higher taxes and the grim weather. |
He was probably paying UK tax the whole time on the QPR job. Maybe 5% on the NBA gig |  | | |
| Ben Williams is back on 14:09 - Jun 5 with 1681 views | daveB |
This weeks West LondoN Sport podcast answersd a few questions on Ben Williams, was quite an interesting listen
By the sound of it he was a consultant last season rather than head of performance but the club didn't change his job title or bother to tell us so a ridiculous situation was allowed to follow
Another example of the clubs comms policy causing problems for them |  | | |
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| Ben Williams is back on 14:16 - Jun 5 with 1651 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Ben Williams is back on 16:33 - Jun 4 by Andybrat |
They’ve made a mistake, they’ve recognised it and finally rectified…. Good news |
How naive must Nourry have been for Williams to convince him it would work?
Either that or Williams can sell sand to the Arabs. | | | |
| Ben Williams is back on 15:13 - Jun 5 with 1566 views | OldPedro |
| Ben Williams is back on 14:09 - Jun 5 by daveB |
This weeks West LondoN Sport podcast answersd a few questions on Ben Williams, was quite an interesting listen
By the sound of it he was a consultant last season rather than head of performance but the club didn't change his job title or bother to tell us so a ridiculous situation was allowed to follow
Another example of the clubs comms policy causing problems for them |
Also, if Ben W went after another job, how come the club didn't put him on gardening leave.....?? |  |
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| Ben Williams is back on 16:11 - Jun 5 with 1451 views | Hunterhoop |
| Ben Williams is back on 14:09 - Jun 5 by daveB |
This weeks West LondoN Sport podcast answersd a few questions on Ben Williams, was quite an interesting listen
By the sound of it he was a consultant last season rather than head of performance but the club didn't change his job title or bother to tell us so a ridiculous situation was allowed to follow
Another example of the clubs comms policy causing problems for them |
But what wasn’t clarified was:
In that case, who was the Head of Performance?
If no one else, how can we claim the role is important and worth having if we’re happy to go a season without it?
Or was Williams still ostensibly Head of Performance, but simply note a PAYE employee and simply paid as a consultant (probably because he was not based in Dubai not the UK this making it hard to employ him as PAYE?
The way this is trying to be spun is just that, spin. There was no other Head of Performamce. It was just him. Based on Dubai. Working for Brooklyn Nets as well. But paid as a consultant to QPR, probably into a ltd company, as a method of paying him for his services.
He’s come back to the UK because Nourry knew he couldn’t defend the arrangement anymore, and Brooklyn Nets have (almost certainly) let him go, so this is a way to continue in a senior role getting paid, likely whilst looking for something else. |  | | |
| Ben Williams is back on 16:43 - Jun 5 with 1363 views | daveB |
| Ben Williams is back on 16:11 - Jun 5 by Hunterhoop |
But what wasn’t clarified was:
In that case, who was the Head of Performance?
If no one else, how can we claim the role is important and worth having if we’re happy to go a season without it?
Or was Williams still ostensibly Head of Performance, but simply note a PAYE employee and simply paid as a consultant (probably because he was not based in Dubai not the UK this making it hard to employ him as PAYE?
The way this is trying to be spun is just that, spin. There was no other Head of Performamce. It was just him. Based on Dubai. Working for Brooklyn Nets as well. But paid as a consultant to QPR, probably into a ltd company, as a method of paying him for his services.
He’s come back to the UK because Nourry knew he couldn’t defend the arrangement anymore, and Brooklyn Nets have (almost certainly) let him go, so this is a way to continue in a senior role getting paid, likely whilst looking for something else. |
It's all about standards for me and whatever the reasons for doing it the message it sends out is that QPR doesn't matter, you can work part time, full time, be a consultant etc none of it matters and that shows on the pitch we are good some weeks not arsed the next and it doesn't really matter
You see that with Joel Lynchs comments when he was on underthecosh podcast and it certainly plays it's part in why we never get anywhere | | | |
| Ben Williams is back on 21:24 - Jun 5 with 1202 views | QPunkR |
| Ben Williams is back on 22:41 - Jun 4 by SW_Ranger |
I like the way you’re thinking Clive … see ‘out of the box’ and soon the possible will come along. I think we have actually tried the ‘no goalkeeper’ option in the past. That didn’t work either to be fair |
The Ademola Bankole option |  |
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| Ben Williams is back on 00:15 - Jun 6 with 1059 views | rbee |
The whole thing is an embarrasment, unprofessional. Head of Performance or Consultant?
I agree with lassel. Ben Williams methodology, which seemed to work so well during the 23/24 season, could have been implemented and run by the clubs Performance Department last season with Williams always available to advise. Last season Williams methodology didn't work. Were we lucky with injuries during the 23/24 season or unlucky last season? If our injury record is poor again next season then surely it would be Williams last.
Why would Ben Williams choose QPR over the Brooklyn Nets? You would have to assume that the Nets would offer Williams a much larger salary. Perhaps the Nets decided to let him go resulting in him deciding to return to his old job.
Ben Williams return to the club is seemingly not a straight forward appointment and no one would be surprised to read in a few months time that Ben Williams has left the club to join..... |  | | |
| Ben Williams is back on 00:31 - Jun 6 with 1045 views | Hunterhoop |
| Ben Williams is back on 00:15 - Jun 6 by rbee |
The whole thing is an embarrasment, unprofessional. Head of Performance or Consultant?
I agree with lassel. Ben Williams methodology, which seemed to work so well during the 23/24 season, could have been implemented and run by the clubs Performance Department last season with Williams always available to advise. Last season Williams methodology didn't work. Were we lucky with injuries during the 23/24 season or unlucky last season? If our injury record is poor again next season then surely it would be Williams last.
Why would Ben Williams choose QPR over the Brooklyn Nets? You would have to assume that the Nets would offer Williams a much larger salary. Perhaps the Nets decided to let him go resulting in him deciding to return to his old job.
Ben Williams return to the club is seemingly not a straight forward appointment and no one would be surprised to read in a few months time that Ben Williams has left the club to join..... |
Brooklyn Nets had one of their worst seasons for injuries in their history, apparently. | | | |
| Ben Williams is back on 00:33 - Jun 6 with 1031 views | numptydumpty |
| Ben Williams is back on 14:09 - Jun 5 by daveB |
This weeks West LondoN Sport podcast answersd a few questions on Ben Williams, was quite an interesting listen
By the sound of it he was a consultant last season rather than head of performance but the club didn't change his job title or bother to tell us so a ridiculous situation was allowed to follow
Another example of the clubs comms policy causing problems for them |
If this was true and if they are now saying it was, I have no reason to doubt this if it was true then the backlash chatted about ad infinitum on here could have been quashed immediately
Why let us believe he was the head, and then say now he is going to be the head again now.
If that was the communication strategy to make things easier for themselves, clearly this explanation as it has happened has created resentment from fans. Now we are told what we did think was untrue, why not announce this then so as to curtail fans annoyance.
For me a communication strategy the key is having your users / customers needs paramount above all else.
This way if true is just stupid. No other word to describe it... [Post edited 6 Jun 0:35]
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| Ben Williams is back on 08:55 - Jun 6 with 791 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Ben Williams is back on 15:13 - Jun 5 by OldPedro |
Also, if Ben W went after another job, how come the club didn't put him on gardening leave.....?? |
Ha! Superb point. |  | | |
| Ben Williams is back on 09:02 - Jun 6 with 779 views | Lanhoop |
| Ben Williams is back on 15:13 - Jun 5 by OldPedro |
Also, if Ben W went after another job, how come the club didn't put him on gardening leave.....?? |
Because his employment contract had different terms within it
Possibly he has had a fixed term contract that expired and they negotiated a consultant deal rather than lose his knowledge completely? | | | |
| Ben Williams is back on 09:06 - Jun 6 with 747 views | qprninja |
Well that's jolly nice of him. |  | | |
| Ben Williams is back on 09:09 - Jun 6 with 733 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Ben Williams is back on 16:43 - Jun 5 by daveB |
It's all about standards for me and whatever the reasons for doing it the message it sends out is that QPR doesn't matter, you can work part time, full time, be a consultant etc none of it matters and that shows on the pitch we are good some weeks not arsed the next and it doesn't really matter
You see that with Joel Lynchs comments when he was on underthecosh podcast and it certainly plays it's part in why we never get anywhere |
Well said Dave. Going missing has become part of QPR's DNA over the last 10+ years. Sometimes it's for 45 minutes, sometimes for 90. Sometimes it's for weeks and months at a time.
It almost feels like the primary job of our managers has been to try to stave off the 'checked out' mentality for as many weeks as possible. The successful ones (Warburton, Cifuentes) managed to do it for longer periods of their seasons than the bad ones but every single one including those two have had to battle it.
Why would that issue continue to plague us across multiple managers, completely different squads, vastly different budgets, different playing styles, different training grounds? The one common denominator is the absentee ownership that doesn't or can't make QPR their priority. What's happened with Williams enables and encourages that notion by principal.
Ultimately if he's back and present it's good news but it doesn't excuse that it was allowed to happen last year and - as Old Pedro points out - the clear hypocrisy between how we pandered to Williams whilst scapegoating Cifuentes when both were seeking employment elsewhere. | | | |
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