| India Air Crash 21:47 - Jun 12 with 7475 views | Monkey_Roots |
Utterly horrifying.
How does 1 person walk out of that?
Every time that’s mentioned on the news, the say ‘allegedly’ or ‘apparently’, which is understandable when you see that footage - it’s just unbelievable.
Thoughts go out to all those who perished, and their families, but again… how does anyone escape that? |  | | |  |
| India Air Crash on 21:52 - Jun 12 with 3413 views | Myke |
He 'jumped clear' apparently, but no idea how that is possible. Absolutely horrific |  | | |
| India Air Crash on 21:52 - Jun 12 with 3417 views | colinallcars |
Horrifying. And the houses the 'plane crashed into were occupied by doctors and nurses from the local hospital.
Some people think these events are meant to try us in some ludicrous way.
Yeah, and the rest mate…… |  | | |
| India Air Crash on 22:37 - Jun 12 with 3295 views | bosh67 |
Absolutely horrendous and you just think of all those poor people who must have known they were doomed. For it to hit the buildings where the very people who would have come to the rescue were living is even more cruel.
The lad in seat 11A who walked away from it when everyone else was essentially incinerated is extraordinary. What on earth does that do to you mentally? His brother was sitting next to him. It is eerily like the start of the film Unbreakable. But this is real.
Heart goes out to everyone lost and those grieving them. |  |
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| India Air Crash on 09:07 - Jun 13 with 2900 views | thehat |
| India Air Crash on 22:37 - Jun 12 by bosh67 |
Absolutely horrendous and you just think of all those poor people who must have known they were doomed. For it to hit the buildings where the very people who would have come to the rescue were living is even more cruel.
The lad in seat 11A who walked away from it when everyone else was essentially incinerated is extraordinary. What on earth does that do to you mentally? His brother was sitting next to him. It is eerily like the start of the film Unbreakable. But this is real.
Heart goes out to everyone lost and those grieving them. |
Apparently seat 11A is next to an emergency door - What a horrible split second decision that poor man had to make.
So sad......... | | | |
| India Air Crash on 09:27 - Jun 13 with 2822 views | stowmarketrange |
| India Air Crash on 09:07 - Jun 13 by thehat |
Apparently seat 11A is next to an emergency door - What a horrible split second decision that poor man had to make.
So sad......... |
His brother was sitting next to him and didn’t survive.He must be a lucky man to have walked away from that catastrophe.
Condolences to the friends and families and RIP to the victims. |  | | |
| India Air Crash on 09:37 - Jun 13 with 2785 views | qprninja |
| India Air Crash on 21:52 - Jun 12 by Myke |
He 'jumped clear' apparently, but no idea how that is possible. Absolutely horrific |
More likely that he was just ejected when the plane broke up on impact. There's no conscious decision to leave the plane in that situation. |  | | |
| India Air Crash on 09:53 - Jun 13 with 2731 views | derbyhoop |
Incredible escape. Poor bloke will be traumatised for ever.
As will the families of all the victims. |  |
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| India Air Crash on 13:22 - Jun 13 with 2529 views | MrSheen |
11A will be £200 extra on Ryanair from today. |  | | |
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| India Air Crash on 13:28 - Jun 13 with 2505 views | BklynRanger |
I must admit, as someone who finds take offs and landings a bit anxiety provoking anyway, I wish I hadn't seen the footage of the crash.
I know it's still safer than crossing the road etc, and the likelihood is tiny but still - those 787s are great planes and they may not have an answer to what happened for quite a while.
Dreadful stuff for the families. |  | | |
| India Air Crash on 13:44 - Jun 13 with 2422 views | Landshark |
| India Air Crash on 09:37 - Jun 13 by qprninja |
More likely that he was just ejected when the plane broke up on impact. There's no conscious decision to leave the plane in that situation. |
Yeah that's my guess given the footage and the location of his seat on the plane which was just in front of the wings. I guess the plane split and he somehow got out. | | | |
| India Air Crash on 14:13 - Jun 13 with 2338 views | Northernr |
| India Air Crash on 13:28 - Jun 13 by BklynRanger |
I must admit, as someone who finds take offs and landings a bit anxiety provoking anyway, I wish I hadn't seen the footage of the crash.
I know it's still safer than crossing the road etc, and the likelihood is tiny but still - those 787s are great planes and they may not have an answer to what happened for quite a while.
Dreadful stuff for the families. |
I know it's a Boeing so, hey, bloody thing might have just switched itself off or something, but looks like a pilot fck up to me. Taking off too slowly, off too short a run up (possibly to save time) while fully loaded in extreme heat and/or aircraft not properly configured for takeoff.
There was a crash like this at Detroit in the 80s - North West Airlines 255, also a single survivor out of 150 passengers and crew - where the pilot tried to take off without the plane being configured. There was meant to be an audio alarm that sounded to warn the pilots but it kept going off during the taxiing so they were all in the habit of silencing it - when they looked at the 'off' switch for that alarm it had been used so much it was dirty and the writing had worn off around it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Airlines_Flight_255
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| India Air Crash on 14:19 - Jun 13 with 2287 views | JamesB1979 |
| India Air Crash on 14:13 - Jun 13 by Northernr |
I know it's a Boeing so, hey, bloody thing might have just switched itself off or something, but looks like a pilot fck up to me. Taking off too slowly, off too short a run up (possibly to save time) while fully loaded in extreme heat and/or aircraft not properly configured for takeoff.
There was a crash like this at Detroit in the 80s - North West Airlines 255, also a single survivor out of 150 passengers and crew - where the pilot tried to take off without the plane being configured. There was meant to be an audio alarm that sounded to warn the pilots but it kept going off during the taxiing so they were all in the habit of silencing it - when they looked at the 'off' switch for that alarm it had been used so much it was dirty and the writing had worn off around it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Airlines_Flight_255
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When you say “not configured”, you mean the “flaps weren’t extended”, as that’s what happened in that other crash you mentioned. I would be amazed if the pilots forgot this. I wondered whether they did it (or pushed button to do it) but the flaps didn’t actually extend. The other odd thing is that the landing gear is still out. That also wouldn’t help build speed and get elevation.
I used to hate flying and once made my girlfriend at time get train back from Barcelona. Managed to get over it but always count to 100 from take off. | | | |
| India Air Crash on 14:24 - Jun 13 with 2283 views | Northernr |
| India Air Crash on 14:19 - Jun 13 by JamesB1979 |
When you say “not configured”, you mean the “flaps weren’t extended”, as that’s what happened in that other crash you mentioned. I would be amazed if the pilots forgot this. I wondered whether they did it (or pushed button to do it) but the flaps didn’t actually extend. The other odd thing is that the landing gear is still out. That also wouldn’t help build speed and get elevation.
I used to hate flying and once made my girlfriend at time get train back from Barcelona. Managed to get over it but always count to 100 from take off. |
We'll find out in time I guess, I'd be amazed if they forgot it too but there are a lot of examples of pilots forgetting to do really basic things when they're overworked/rushing/taking things a bit for granted - Little Rock another, trying to land in an extreme thunder storm, forgot to arm the speed brakes for landing.
Like I say, it's a Boeing, landing gear still being down might suggest all their systems just failed on them, flaps, slats the whole lot. But it's in the sht from the moment it lifts off so it could be that they just didn't have time to pull the wheels up.
I'm like you, if I can take the train I do.
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| India Air Crash on 15:34 - Jun 13 with 2180 views | kensalriser |
| India Air Crash on 14:24 - Jun 13 by Northernr |
We'll find out in time I guess, I'd be amazed if they forgot it too but there are a lot of examples of pilots forgetting to do really basic things when they're overworked/rushing/taking things a bit for granted - Little Rock another, trying to land in an extreme thunder storm, forgot to arm the speed brakes for landing.
Like I say, it's a Boeing, landing gear still being down might suggest all their systems just failed on them, flaps, slats the whole lot. But it's in the sht from the moment it lifts off so it could be that they just didn't have time to pull the wheels up.
I'm like you, if I can take the train I do.
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There was the awful day I arrived at my office to be greeted by the devastation caused by the Ladbroke Grove train crash a couple of hundred yards away.
Relative of mine survived the Moorgate crash.
Still safer than getting in a car though. |  |
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| India Air Crash on 15:41 - Jun 13 with 2157 views | bosh67 |
| India Air Crash on 14:24 - Jun 13 by Northernr |
We'll find out in time I guess, I'd be amazed if they forgot it too but there are a lot of examples of pilots forgetting to do really basic things when they're overworked/rushing/taking things a bit for granted - Little Rock another, trying to land in an extreme thunder storm, forgot to arm the speed brakes for landing.
Like I say, it's a Boeing, landing gear still being down might suggest all their systems just failed on them, flaps, slats the whole lot. But it's in the sht from the moment it lifts off so it could be that they just didn't have time to pull the wheels up.
I'm like you, if I can take the train I do.
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There has been a clip circulating from a passenger on board, sadly lost to the crash, showing that almost nothing electrical was working in the cabin before take off. May have nothing to do with it but the pilot reported having no thrust after takeoff and so there is a theory that they suffered a total electrical power loss. | |
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| India Air Crash on 15:45 - Jun 13 with 2133 views | Monkey_Roots |
Thing is, once you know its a Boeing, you do wonder if its a 737 scenario all over again.
Its gets madder the more I see it - THAT fireball - and his clothes don't look burnt at all. | | | |
| India Air Crash on 15:57 - Jun 13 with 2101 views | stowmarketrange |
| India Air Crash on 15:45 - Jun 13 by Monkey_Roots |
Thing is, once you know its a Boeing, you do wonder if its a 737 scenario all over again.
Its gets madder the more I see it - THAT fireball - and his clothes don't look burnt at all. |
He said he got out before the fire started as he was on the left of the plane.If he’d been on the right he wouldn’t be here either. | | | |
| India Air Crash on 16:31 - Jun 13 with 2016 views | Juzzie |
| India Air Crash on 13:28 - Jun 13 by BklynRanger |
I must admit, as someone who finds take offs and landings a bit anxiety provoking anyway, I wish I hadn't seen the footage of the crash.
I know it's still safer than crossing the road etc, and the likelihood is tiny but still - those 787s are great planes and they may not have an answer to what happened for quite a while.
Dreadful stuff for the families. |
Don't want to extend your anxiety further but take off & landing are the most 'at risk' aspects of flying (Take off in particular as it's completely full of fuel compared to landing). In flight, turbulence including, is a breeze.
As is often said "I'm not scared of flying.... it's crashing I scared of" simply because it's pretty much terminal. Most car crashes have a very low likelihood of fatality, probably because on average the speed is quite low on the whole. |  | | |
| India Air Crash on 16:52 - Jun 13 with 1970 views | BklynRanger |
| India Air Crash on 16:31 - Jun 13 by Juzzie |
Don't want to extend your anxiety further but take off & landing are the most 'at risk' aspects of flying (Take off in particular as it's completely full of fuel compared to landing). In flight, turbulence including, is a breeze.
As is often said "I'm not scared of flying.... it's crashing I scared of" simply because it's pretty much terminal. Most car crashes have a very low likelihood of fatality, probably because on average the speed is quite low on the whole. |
Yeah I know! 
On the survivor, he said he saw people dying in front of his eyes so am guessing he was just separated enough by the way it broke up. Unreal. | | | |
| India Air Crash on 16:54 - Jun 13 with 1962 views | BklynRanger |
| India Air Crash on 14:24 - Jun 13 by Northernr |
We'll find out in time I guess, I'd be amazed if they forgot it too but there are a lot of examples of pilots forgetting to do really basic things when they're overworked/rushing/taking things a bit for granted - Little Rock another, trying to land in an extreme thunder storm, forgot to arm the speed brakes for landing.
Like I say, it's a Boeing, landing gear still being down might suggest all their systems just failed on them, flaps, slats the whole lot. But it's in the sht from the moment it lifts off so it could be that they just didn't have time to pull the wheels up.
I'm like you, if I can take the train I do.
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Have you read that chapter in Malcolm Gladwell's 'Outliers', Clive? About culture and hierarchy in these sort of air disaster situations.
I need to re-read it but remember it as quite interesting. | | | |
| India Air Crash on 17:37 - Jun 13 with 1869 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| India Air Crash on 15:34 - Jun 13 by kensalriser |
There was the awful day I arrived at my office to be greeted by the devastation caused by the Ladbroke Grove train crash a couple of hundred yards away.
Relative of mine survived the Moorgate crash.
Still safer than getting in a car though. |
I was watching the newsflash about Lockerbie with a mate. He says, 'I have a bad feeling!' Next morning he calls me at work to ask if I'd heard the news? One of our college buddies was on the flight.
Almost instantaneously, a colleague sat opposite me put the phone down on a call from his mum back in Dundee. It was their neighbour's turn to be on over-night call for the local newspaper. She responded to a call from the night-editor to go to a plane crash near Glasgow. Where the famous crater was in the town, caused by the plane landing on a house; it was her brother's home. He and his family were all killed.
Totally spooked that day, the boss sent us both home. |  |
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| India Air Crash on 17:39 - Jun 13 with 1857 views | Northernr |
| India Air Crash on 16:54 - Jun 13 by BklynRanger |
Have you read that chapter in Malcolm Gladwell's 'Outliers', Clive? About culture and hierarchy in these sort of air disaster situations.
I need to re-read it but remember it as quite interesting. |
No but definitely will mate thanks for the tip. It’s one of my other geeky topics. | | | |
| India Air Crash on 18:28 - Jun 13 with 1758 views | JamesB1979 |
The slow way it went down is terrifying. I always hope and pray it will be quick for people in these situations. | | | |
| India Air Crash on 18:48 - Jun 13 with 1701 views | BostonR |
| India Air Crash on 14:24 - Jun 13 by Northernr |
We'll find out in time I guess, I'd be amazed if they forgot it too but there are a lot of examples of pilots forgetting to do really basic things when they're overworked/rushing/taking things a bit for granted - Little Rock another, trying to land in an extreme thunder storm, forgot to arm the speed brakes for landing.
Like I say, it's a Boeing, landing gear still being down might suggest all their systems just failed on them, flaps, slats the whole lot. But it's in the sht from the moment it lifts off so it could be that they just didn't have time to pull the wheels up.
I'm like you, if I can take the train I do.
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The Boeing 787 has multiple electronic systems (not paper) that remind the pilots about the take-off and landing checklists. The cockpit would have been sounding off with all sorts of alarms if the had forgotten the basics of extending the flaps. It’s why Boeing hasn’t lost a whole 787 since production.
I suspect the Capt asked the FO to lift the landing gear and he accidentally engaged the flaps - a catastrophic mistake. The plane was at its heaviest and wasn’t recoverable as they lost the ability to lift the aircraft.
A clue is the survivor talks of huge bang before impact and that may well be the stress on the flaps. You can clearly see the gear was never retracted-which normally happens at 50-75 metres. |  | | |
| India Air Crash on 18:54 - Jun 13 with 1685 views | BklynRanger |
| India Air Crash on 17:37 - Jun 13 by PlanetHonneywood |
I was watching the newsflash about Lockerbie with a mate. He says, 'I have a bad feeling!' Next morning he calls me at work to ask if I'd heard the news? One of our college buddies was on the flight.
Almost instantaneously, a colleague sat opposite me put the phone down on a call from his mum back in Dundee. It was their neighbour's turn to be on over-night call for the local newspaper. She responded to a call from the night-editor to go to a plane crash near Glasgow. Where the famous crater was in the town, caused by the plane landing on a house; it was her brother's home. He and his family were all killed.
Totally spooked that day, the boss sent us both home. |
That's insane | | | |
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