| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension 16:17 - Jun 30 with 10682 views | sdm1508 |
This has just been announced. Going to be given a proper run out after what was apparently a good loan at Dundee or back up to someone else? |  | | |  |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 23:08 - Jun 30 with 1977 views | Northernr |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 21:41 - Jun 30 by JamesB1979 |
Well he’s had a season on loan, played some games. Hopefully he’s improved. My main point though is that we’ve signed a couple of young decent players for the squad already. We can’t just buy replacements everywhere in 1 go. Has to be gradual and some of our current players like Kelman and Lakerche have to step up after some time on loan. But that also means we have to give them a chance. I don’t think either of them have been given real game time…..that’s starts and in their correct position (not right back or winger). |
Well I’m a big advocate of Kelman being given a proper go, and nobody talks about budget restrictions and academy loans learning on our time more than me. But if we’re playing a back 4 with attacking full backs under a v attacking coach then LB is not a position to pis about with. We spent last summer convincing ourselves Fox and Colback can “do a job” there if necessary. As soon as I hear “do a job” I’m a bit worried.
Everything they’ve done over the last fortnight shouts lessons learned from last summer so I’m more confident than I was that they’ll sort something. Larkeche covered by Esquerdinha and JCS in an emergency is not a plan. |  | | |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 23:41 - Jun 30 with 1915 views | SydneyRs |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 17:02 - Jun 30 by 7374Ranger |
I agree, and in any case JCS can also play at LB as long as he stays fit. |
Some key words there. | | | |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 07:12 - Jul 1 with 1666 views | lassel |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 21:35 - Jun 30 by Esox_Lucius |
When he last played for us? |
He’s just spent a year in the footballing pantheon that is Scotland and even there the takeaway was the same. Good going forward, can’t defend.
If we are going to be playing a back 4 with a makeshift RB and a LB who can’t defend, we are going to be in trouble. | | | |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 07:21 - Jul 1 with 1654 views | dmm |
There are 11 games to be played, including friendlies, before the window closes. That is more than enough to assess Larkeche and Esquerdinha and bring in another LB if needed. That's my hope anyway. |  | | |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 07:22 - Jul 1 with 1654 views | JamesB1979 |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 07:12 - Jul 1 by lassel |
He’s just spent a year in the footballing pantheon that is Scotland and even there the takeaway was the same. Good going forward, can’t defend.
If we are going to be playing a back 4 with a makeshift RB and a LB who can’t defend, we are going to be in trouble. |
You watched a lot of Dundee’s games then? He started 3 league games for us…..1 at right, 1 on the wing. You think that’s enough to judge him?
Don’t get me wrong, I’d like us to look to bring in a guy with much more experience and who we know can fill that role but I don’t see how you can make such sweeping statements on so little game time | | | |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 08:05 - Jul 1 with 1597 views | Mirrorball |
If Larkeche is to be the first choice "left-back" then I get the feeling that our full backs seem to be fitting more into the wing-back mold than the full-back mould.
Larkeche, the young Brazilian, the new Aussie, Vale has played as a wing back ... I've often thought Paul Smyth would work better as a wing-back. All seems more like wing-backs than full-backs.
Would a back three of JCS, Morrison and Dunne work?
The only doubt is that we have so many wide attacking midfielders that it's difficult to see where they would fit in! | | | |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 08:45 - Jul 1 with 1522 views | stevec |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 08:05 - Jul 1 by Mirrorball |
If Larkeche is to be the first choice "left-back" then I get the feeling that our full backs seem to be fitting more into the wing-back mold than the full-back mould.
Larkeche, the young Brazilian, the new Aussie, Vale has played as a wing back ... I've often thought Paul Smyth would work better as a wing-back. All seems more like wing-backs than full-backs.
Would a back three of JCS, Morrison and Dunne work?
The only doubt is that we have so many wide attacking midfielders that it's difficult to see where they would fit in! |
It is starting to feel like that.
All a bit lop sided last season and to correct that there’s going to be some decent players competing for limited places, particularly if Kelman hits the ground running.
These changes need to be made if we’re ever to get out of the bottom half. |  | | |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 08:51 - Jul 1 with 1512 views | cpgerber |
Good prospect, deserves some minutes this season, but fully agree we need another man at LB. Let's not forget that Larkeche was out injured for a lengthy spell last season. Vale also just back from long and serious injury, so looks like a pretty big gamble if we don't have another LB coming in. |  | | |
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| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 09:35 - Jul 1 with 1410 views | lassel |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 07:22 - Jul 1 by JamesB1979 |
You watched a lot of Dundee’s games then? He started 3 league games for us…..1 at right, 1 on the wing. You think that’s enough to judge him?
Don’t get me wrong, I’d like us to look to bring in a guy with much more experience and who we know can fill that role but I don’t see how you can make such sweeping statements on so little game time |
There is a post in the previous page from someone who has watched him last season which matches what Dundee fans have said about him on their forums. Decent going forward, still can’t defend. | | | |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 09:44 - Jul 1 with 1355 views | BostonR |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 09:35 - Jul 1 by lassel |
There is a post in the previous page from someone who has watched him last season which matches what Dundee fans have said about him on their forums. Decent going forward, still can’t defend. |
Well, if you can’t defend in the Scottish league you have no hope in the Championship. Surely, he’s going to be on the bench as a backup to a more seasoned defender in that position? |  | | |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 09:45 - Jul 1 with 1353 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 08:05 - Jul 1 by Mirrorball |
If Larkeche is to be the first choice "left-back" then I get the feeling that our full backs seem to be fitting more into the wing-back mold than the full-back mould.
Larkeche, the young Brazilian, the new Aussie, Vale has played as a wing back ... I've often thought Paul Smyth would work better as a wing-back. All seems more like wing-backs than full-backs.
Would a back three of JCS, Morrison and Dunne work?
The only doubt is that we have so many wide attacking midfielders that it's difficult to see where they would fit in! |
I don't understand why Cook has been written off. I know there is a chance his foot injury will do for him, but if not - on past performances, leadership, reliability - he would be the first name on the centre-back team sheet for me. |  | | |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 09:47 - Jul 1 with 1328 views | JamesB1979 |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 09:35 - Jul 1 by lassel |
There is a post in the previous page from someone who has watched him last season which matches what Dundee fans have said about him on their forums. Decent going forward, still can’t defend. |
So you’re basing it on not watching him play. And the other post from someone who saw him was that he should be given a chance. Maybe you are right and he turns out to be useless but how can we make judgements without watching him play. Both Larkeche and Kelman have not been given a fair crack at QPR. Let’s at least see how they do in a few games (where they start) before writing them off.
On this forum, mostly positive I’d say:
https://www.thedarkblues.co.uk/topic/38060-ziyad-larkeche/#comments [Post edited 1 Jul 9:51]
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| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 10:11 - Jul 1 with 1255 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 09:45 - Jul 1 by GaryBannister86 |
I don't understand why Cook has been written off. I know there is a chance his foot injury will do for him, but if not - on past performances, leadership, reliability - he would be the first name on the centre-back team sheet for me. |
His pace had gone after that injury. He was never that quick, but he looked like he was running through glue.
He's 34, recovering from a serious injury and on a fair whack of a contract for another year. I still think Dunne will be switched to the centre and be captain. | |
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| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 10:14 - Jul 1 with 1238 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 10:11 - Jul 1 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
His pace had gone after that injury. He was never that quick, but he looked like he was running through glue.
He's 34, recovering from a serious injury and on a fair whack of a contract for another year. I still think Dunne will be switched to the centre and be captain. |
It was a bad injury so no surprise he was affected. But for all this ambitious talk of the new signings, of JCS and the promise of Morrison and moving Dunne to CB - it would not surprise me one jot if the man who plays the most games at CB next season and has the highest rating, is Steven Anthony Cook.
And even if not, I think his contribution to us over the last few years has been bizarrely undervalued. Compared to the shysters we've had turning up at the same time. | | | |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 10:18 - Jul 1 with 1223 views | BklynRanger |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 09:47 - Jul 1 by JamesB1979 |
So you’re basing it on not watching him play. And the other post from someone who saw him was that he should be given a chance. Maybe you are right and he turns out to be useless but how can we make judgements without watching him play. Both Larkeche and Kelman have not been given a fair crack at QPR. Let’s at least see how they do in a few games (where they start) before writing them off.
On this forum, mostly positive I’d say:
https://www.thedarkblues.co.uk/topic/38060-ziyad-larkeche/#comments [Post edited 1 Jul 9:51]
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Small sample of views but I agree that's an encouraging read at least.
4 weeks living in Steve Bould's spare room, washing Steve Bould's car after training. Maybe there'll be a [defender] in there. |  | | |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 12:55 - Jul 1 with 1030 views | slmrstid |
What concerns me most overall on Larkeche is he played 30 games for a side that finished 3rd bottom in the SPL, wasn't far off being in the relegation play-off picture, and who have signed a striker from Barrow this summer to come into their first team squad.
Absolutely nowhere near English Championship level.
At least Lee Wallace played for Rangers and had European experience.
Obviously I'd love Larkeche to come back in and be brilliant, but I have doubts. |  | | |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 13:29 - Jul 1 with 964 views | sprocket |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 12:55 - Jul 1 by slmrstid |
What concerns me most overall on Larkeche is he played 30 games for a side that finished 3rd bottom in the SPL, wasn't far off being in the relegation play-off picture, and who have signed a striker from Barrow this summer to come into their first team squad.
Absolutely nowhere near English Championship level.
At least Lee Wallace played for Rangers and had European experience.
Obviously I'd love Larkeche to come back in and be brilliant, but I have doubts. |
Feedback from Dundee fans was positive and he has some pace. You got to give him the opportunity | | | |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 13:43 - Jul 1 with 939 views | LongRanger |
100% agree he deserves a chance in pre-season, but I can't understand the need to sign him up to a long term deal on the back of a positive season at Dundee, his situation is very different to Kelman. He seems like a good lad, a willing runner, but committing to him long term based on very little seems odd to me, I'll be happy but honestly shocked if 10 games in to the season he's proven to be the left back we need. | | | |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 14:13 - Jul 1 with 879 views | sprocket |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 13:43 - Jul 1 by LongRanger |
100% agree he deserves a chance in pre-season, but I can't understand the need to sign him up to a long term deal on the back of a positive season at Dundee, his situation is very different to Kelman. He seems like a good lad, a willing runner, but committing to him long term based on very little seems odd to me, I'll be happy but honestly shocked if 10 games in to the season he's proven to be the left back we need. |
I would think based on last season he would be at least loanable and at best sellable. | | | |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 14:28 - Jul 1 with 847 views | BrazilNutR |
I keep seeing everyone saying Vale is a Left Back, but the interview I read last week with him, he talks about himself as an attacking number 10 type, and never mentions full back or defending... I am curious to see this guy play as he is a complete unknown, even his position is shrouded in a Vale...
As for Larkeche, a 2 year contract makes sense, if they see something in him, otherwise he might come back into the squad, be decent and prove himself in the championship and then leave for free - always a point where you have to take a gamble.. and I imagine he is not a big earner [Post edited 1 Jul 14:29]
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| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 14:29 - Jul 1 with 843 views | CateLeBonR |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 23:08 - Jun 30 by Northernr |
Well I’m a big advocate of Kelman being given a proper go, and nobody talks about budget restrictions and academy loans learning on our time more than me. But if we’re playing a back 4 with attacking full backs under a v attacking coach then LB is not a position to pis about with. We spent last summer convincing ourselves Fox and Colback can “do a job” there if necessary. As soon as I hear “do a job” I’m a bit worried.
Everything they’ve done over the last fortnight shouts lessons learned from last summer so I’m more confident than I was that they’ll sort something. Larkeche covered by Esquerdinha and JCS in an emergency is not a plan. |
When you consider that we’ve lost Paal, Ashby and possibly Fox and Colback, to a position that was already a bit sketchy for us. All we’ve done so far in return is retain Larkeche and add Mbengue, who can do a job there apparently. I don’t think there’s any chance we won’t be adding more. |  | | |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 14:43 - Jul 1 with 814 views | BrazilNutR |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 14:29 - Jul 1 by CateLeBonR |
When you consider that we’ve lost Paal, Ashby and possibly Fox and Colback, to a position that was already a bit sketchy for us. All we’ve done so far in return is retain Larkeche and add Mbengue, who can do a job there apparently. I don’t think there’s any chance we won’t be adding more. |
You forgot Esquerdinha - whose name is literally "little Lefty" - so he is basically the new Roberto Carlos! | | | |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 16:46 - Jul 1 with 684 views | Mirrorball |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 14:28 - Jul 1 by BrazilNutR |
I keep seeing everyone saying Vale is a Left Back, but the interview I read last week with him, he talks about himself as an attacking number 10 type, and never mentions full back or defending... I am curious to see this guy play as he is a complete unknown, even his position is shrouded in a Vale...
As for Larkeche, a 2 year contract makes sense, if they see something in him, otherwise he might come back into the squad, be decent and prove himself in the championship and then leave for free - always a point where you have to take a gamble.. and I imagine he is not a big earner [Post edited 1 Jul 14:29]
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Vale spent a season on loan playing as a wing-back so he isn't a full-back but can play as a wing-back. | | | |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 16:52 - Jul 1 with 659 views | Northernr |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 14:29 - Jul 1 by CateLeBonR |
When you consider that we’ve lost Paal, Ashby and possibly Fox and Colback, to a position that was already a bit sketchy for us. All we’ve done so far in return is retain Larkeche and add Mbengue, who can do a job there apparently. I don’t think there’s any chance we won’t be adding more. |
My thinking as well mate. | | | |
| Ziyad Larkeche contract extension on 17:15 - Jul 1 with 604 views | dm97 |
Late to the party on this one, but there is absolutely no way you can make a rational argument for going into the season with Larkeche and Esquerdinha as your LBs. 20 odd games in the Scottish Prem doth not a championship standard LB make.
Get a good loan in, send the young Brazilian somewhere for some game time, and have Larkeche competing for the spot is the smart play. As many have said, hopefully they’ve seen what happens when you don’t do smart [Post edited 1 Jul 17:16]
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