| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 15:51 - Jul 16 with 1921 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:11 - Jul 16 by Northernr |
Every player and every manager is doing this in football every day of every week. It's how we got Cifuentes here in the first place.
If Stephan gets QPR moving up the table, starts getting plaudits, his agent will be on manoeuvres by Christmas. Just like the agents for all of our players currently are. |
Still doesn’t make it right. Loyalty and professional pride used to mean something both from a personal perspective and from an employer. Those days are long gone unfortunately, but as an old fart who pines for the standards that no longer seem to exist, I’ll put up and shut up and let the world continue into its dizzying decline. |  | |  |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 16:04 - Jul 16 with 1845 views | BklynRanger |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:41 - Jul 16 by Northernr |
The posters I'm seeing on here and on social media making out like Cifuentes actually didn't do a good job and held us back are making an already difficult situation harder for Stephan, because if Cifuentes was really that bad then fine off you go up the table this season then.
Personally I think it will be hard to move much further up the league with this squad and this budget, and if we can just be a bit better at home, play better football, develop some players for serious sales and change our attitude to cups then I'd be quite happy with another 15thish season. |
It's also complicated by the addition of Steve Bould I think. Very easy to imagine a situation where lots of people attribute the improvements to his addition. And they could be right.
On top of that, if Eze does ever get sold we may even have a couple of quid for a forward and a semi-mobile passing midfielder. Imagine that in any team over the last 3 seasons. Another easy explanation for success beyond the manager.
We'll cross that success bridge if we come to it of course. [Post edited 16 Jul 16:06]
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 16:10 - Jul 16 with 1787 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:12 - Jul 16 by PinnerR |
I spent over 30 years teaching. Every Friday the "Times Educational Supplement" would arrive in the staff room and there was a scramble to get hold of it to look for jobs. This happened in evry school that I worked in. It's life, even if people are happy where they are they are always looking for the next job. It should be no different in football, it's a job. |
I’ve been a factory/ Operations manager most of my working life managing hundreds of people and the one thing I do know is success comes from everyone working together for a common goal. If you don’t want to work within the group, fine, sling your hook because you’re nothing but an anchor dragging the rest down. Go and find something that is more fulfilling where your contribution is appreciated.
As a footballer, how can you work for and respect your coach/manager/leader when you know he wants to leave and as such cannot be fully invested in what he is doing on a day to day basis.
If any business is to be successful, including football, it needs harmony throughout its culture and purpose, with everyone committed to the project, otherwise it will turn to shit, Man Utd being an classic example. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 16:11 - Jul 16 with 1785 views | kensalriser |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 15:51 - Jul 16 by Burnleyhoop |
Still doesn’t make it right. Loyalty and professional pride used to mean something both from a personal perspective and from an employer. Those days are long gone unfortunately, but as an old fart who pines for the standards that no longer seem to exist, I’ll put up and shut up and let the world continue into its dizzying decline. |
I think you're pining for a utopia that never existed.
Mainly what happens when we get older is that we think everything used to be better when what was actually better was all personal - younger, fitter, better looking, mentally sharper etc. |  |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 16:15 - Jul 16 with 1761 views | TK1 |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 15:51 - Jul 16 by Burnleyhoop |
Still doesn’t make it right. Loyalty and professional pride used to mean something both from a personal perspective and from an employer. Those days are long gone unfortunately, but as an old fart who pines for the standards that no longer seem to exist, I’ll put up and shut up and let the world continue into its dizzying decline. |
Give over.
Our most celebrated player - the one we named a stand after - was Stan Bowles! He was constantly putting himself on the transfer list, threatening to walk.
Dave Thomas, Clive Allen, Terry Fenwick, Andy Sinton, Paul Parker, Trevor Sinclair etc - all more than happy to take better offers from bigger clubs (of course), agents working overtime for them to get them out.
Our three most successful managers of the last 50 years, Sexton, Venables, Francis: all were straight out of Rangers as soon as a bigger club fluttered their eyelashes. Again, not a negative judgement - that's football. But the idea that "loyalty and professional pride used to mean something" is so demonstrably false at QPR.
The QPR chairman for three decades was Jim Gregory! The least trustworthy, loyal and honest broker in football.
There are no good old days. And having your agent chat with WBA barely scratches the surface in comparison. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 16:20 - Jul 16 with 1710 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 16:11 - Jul 16 by kensalriser |
I think you're pining for a utopia that never existed.
Mainly what happens when we get older is that we think everything used to be better when what was actually better was all personal - younger, fitter, better looking, mentally sharper etc. |
It did exist and I was proud to be part of many successful years in industry working with committed and loyal people along the way. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 16:20 - Jul 16 with 1708 views | KensalT |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 16:10 - Jul 16 by Burnleyhoop |
I’ve been a factory/ Operations manager most of my working life managing hundreds of people and the one thing I do know is success comes from everyone working together for a common goal. If you don’t want to work within the group, fine, sling your hook because you’re nothing but an anchor dragging the rest down. Go and find something that is more fulfilling where your contribution is appreciated.
As a footballer, how can you work for and respect your coach/manager/leader when you know he wants to leave and as such cannot be fully invested in what he is doing on a day to day basis.
If any business is to be successful, including football, it needs harmony throughout its culture and purpose, with everyone committed to the project, otherwise it will turn to shit, Man Utd being an classic example. |
Not saying I disagree with anything you say but I think you need to take into account the culture of the industry as a whole.
Professional footballers know their careers are short and they have to make as much as they can as quickly as they can.
And the life expectancy of managers in the Championship is less than two years. Half the clubs in the Championship have changed manager since the end of last season.
Expecting loyalty in those circumstances is probably expecting too much.
Who was the last QPR player to be awarded a testimonial?
I certainly can't remember who or when that was. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 16:22 - Jul 16 with 1687 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 16:15 - Jul 16 by TK1 |
Give over.
Our most celebrated player - the one we named a stand after - was Stan Bowles! He was constantly putting himself on the transfer list, threatening to walk.
Dave Thomas, Clive Allen, Terry Fenwick, Andy Sinton, Paul Parker, Trevor Sinclair etc - all more than happy to take better offers from bigger clubs (of course), agents working overtime for them to get them out.
Our three most successful managers of the last 50 years, Sexton, Venables, Francis: all were straight out of Rangers as soon as a bigger club fluttered their eyelashes. Again, not a negative judgement - that's football. But the idea that "loyalty and professional pride used to mean something" is so demonstrably false at QPR.
The QPR chairman for three decades was Jim Gregory! The least trustworthy, loyal and honest broker in football.
There are no good old days. And having your agent chat with WBA barely scratches the surface in comparison. |
Marti was the one doing the eye lash fluttering, not WBA, big difference. | | | |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 16:31 - Jul 16 with 1644 views | TheChef |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 15:46 - Jul 16 by TK1 |
And Jimmy Dunne was so busy looking for a new job that we had to rest him for a big London derby (that we lost because our makeshift defence was so powder puff).
But six months later he's got a lovely new contract and he is the team captain. Sometimes you get gardening leave for looking elsewhere, sometimes - Jimmy, Ben Williams - you get a promotion, a nice new contract and a puff piece on the official website.
Not all pigs are equal! |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 16:35 - Jul 16 with 1618 views | lassel |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 16:22 - Jul 16 by Burnleyhoop |
Marti was the one doing the eye lash fluttering, not WBA, big difference. |
You think his agent just turned up at West Brom unannounced and demanded a talk?  | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 16:38 - Jul 16 with 1603 views | 1BobbyHazell |
So now we're all happy with what Beale did because 'that's football'?
Not me. |  | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 16:40 - Jul 16 with 1579 views | TK1 |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 16:22 - Jul 16 by Burnleyhoop |
Marti was the one doing the eye lash fluttering, not WBA, big difference. |
Difference compared to who?
All the names I mentioned were obviously pitching themselves elsewhere too. That's how it works. Gerry Francis was not minding his own business when Spurs came, nor Sexton with Man U, etc etc - they made overtures to get a better job. And they got them, And Marti's got a better job now too. Good for them.
The "loyalty used to mean something" bit. You support a club built up from the Third Division by Jim Gregory, who after three decades sold it out to a property business knowing they wanted to merge us with Fulham and change the name of the club!
Disloyalty is in the QPR DNA, as it is everywhere.
Managers look for new jobs all the time. And managers are fired by owners who are also looking for new managers all the time, all speaking with agents of those contracted elsewhere. This is literally the business model. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 17:13 - Jul 16 with 1434 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 16:35 - Jul 16 by lassel |
You think his agent just turned up at West Brom unannounced and demanded a talk? |
He’s now the manager at Leicester, not WBA. Who was chasing who precisely? | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 17:20 - Jul 16 with 1399 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 16:40 - Jul 16 by TK1 |
Difference compared to who?
All the names I mentioned were obviously pitching themselves elsewhere too. That's how it works. Gerry Francis was not minding his own business when Spurs came, nor Sexton with Man U, etc etc - they made overtures to get a better job. And they got them, And Marti's got a better job now too. Good for them.
The "loyalty used to mean something" bit. You support a club built up from the Third Division by Jim Gregory, who after three decades sold it out to a property business knowing they wanted to merge us with Fulham and change the name of the club!
Disloyalty is in the QPR DNA, as it is everywhere.
Managers look for new jobs all the time. And managers are fired by owners who are also looking for new managers all the time, all speaking with agents of those contracted elsewhere. This is literally the business model. |
Hence the constant train wrecks every where you look.
The lack of integrity not just in football but the world in general beggars belief.
Sad, just fooking sad and utterly depressing.
Let’s hope Stephan can lift the spirits and we can leave the Marti saga well and truly behind. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 17:32 - Jul 16 with 1352 views | kensalriser |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 16:20 - Jul 16 by Burnleyhoop |
It did exist and I was proud to be part of many successful years in industry working with committed and loyal people along the way. |
So you would never have taken a better job with better conditions, pay or prospects? And you never worked with anyone who would have done the same? And you never worked for a company that wanted the best person in the job regardless of anything else?
My dad was loyal - worked for one company all his life. His rewards for loyalty were not getting promoted when they decided they weren't going to promote people over 40 and then being forcibly retired at 60. Luckily for him, he then discovered that his expertise and skillset were worth considerably more to third parties as a part time consultant. [Post edited 16 Jul 17:33]
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 17:43 - Jul 16 with 1305 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 17:32 - Jul 16 by kensalriser |
So you would never have taken a better job with better conditions, pay or prospects? And you never worked with anyone who would have done the same? And you never worked for a company that wanted the best person in the job regardless of anything else?
My dad was loyal - worked for one company all his life. His rewards for loyalty were not getting promoted when they decided they weren't going to promote people over 40 and then being forcibly retired at 60. Luckily for him, he then discovered that his expertise and skillset were worth considerably more to third parties as a part time consultant. [Post edited 16 Jul 17:33]
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I never had the need or desire. I worked for the same company for 26 years. They were loyal to me, I to them. That’s not say many companies treat their staff like shit and dispensable commodities. I would suspect that is far more prevalent these days and as such everyone must look after themselves first and foremost. I have working age children and fear for their futures and their careers. They will need to be focused and realistic in how to find a path that provides job security and what must be sacrificed to achieve it.
It’s a tough world made tougher by the lack of trust in all things we used to value as citizens of this country. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 17:45 - Jul 16 with 1295 views | Blue_Castello |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 17:20 - Jul 16 by Burnleyhoop |
Hence the constant train wrecks every where you look.
The lack of integrity not just in football but the world in general beggars belief.
Sad, just fooking sad and utterly depressing.
Let’s hope Stephan can lift the spirits and we can leave the Marti saga well and truly behind. |
We dont know the facts but we are led to believe that Nourry wanted to sack Marty last October and that Ruben stepped in to stop it happening, results picked up and we all thought things were ok. That obviously wasn't the case and Marty was on borrowed time, somebody posted that Nourry wanted him out at the end of the season, IF Marty knew that then obviously he would have his agent putting feelers out to other clubs.
The gardening leave was a total fiasco and has cost the club money, finally Marty had the opportunity to speak to other clubs. I'm guessing like everybody else but I'm sure Leicester would have wanted to know all the details from Marty's perspective before they went away and considered his job application, my guess is they did not find him duplicitous otherwise there wouldn't have been a job offer. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:09 - Jul 16 with 1225 views | nix |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 17:45 - Jul 16 by Blue_Castello |
We dont know the facts but we are led to believe that Nourry wanted to sack Marty last October and that Ruben stepped in to stop it happening, results picked up and we all thought things were ok. That obviously wasn't the case and Marty was on borrowed time, somebody posted that Nourry wanted him out at the end of the season, IF Marty knew that then obviously he would have his agent putting feelers out to other clubs.
The gardening leave was a total fiasco and has cost the club money, finally Marty had the opportunity to speak to other clubs. I'm guessing like everybody else but I'm sure Leicester would have wanted to know all the details from Marty's perspective before they went away and considered his job application, my guess is they did not find him duplicitous otherwise there wouldn't have been a job offer. |
I think, 'I'm guessing like everyone else' and 'we don't know the facts' are key phrases here. Also 'soneone posted' and IF.
But sorry it's laughable to me that a football club would be bothered about someone being duplicitous. How many clubs have employed Harry Redknapp, for instance? It's like the mistress who the millionaire left his wife for: they never think it will happen to them. [Post edited 16 Jul 18:10]
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:25 - Jul 16 with 1151 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:09 - Jul 16 by nix |
I think, 'I'm guessing like everyone else' and 'we don't know the facts' are key phrases here. Also 'soneone posted' and IF.
But sorry it's laughable to me that a football club would be bothered about someone being duplicitous. How many clubs have employed Harry Redknapp, for instance? It's like the mistress who the millionaire left his wife for: they never think it will happen to them. [Post edited 16 Jul 18:10]
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So if the club wasn’t bothered about Marti whispering sweet nothings into the ear of WBA, why was he placed on garden leave?
And if it was WBA who made the approach, isn’t that a breach of EFL regulations and as such subject to sanctions of some description?
Clear as mud. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:39 - Jul 16 with 1093 views | Blue_Castello |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:09 - Jul 16 by nix |
I think, 'I'm guessing like everyone else' and 'we don't know the facts' are key phrases here. Also 'soneone posted' and IF.
But sorry it's laughable to me that a football club would be bothered about someone being duplicitous. How many clubs have employed Harry Redknapp, for instance? It's like the mistress who the millionaire left his wife for: they never think it will happen to them. [Post edited 16 Jul 18:10]
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Take your point bad choice of word, using the Redknapp example is check mate.
Still think Marty had to sell himself to Leicester and tell them exactly what happened from his perspective, they then decided to offer him the job, we can all decide for ourselves if that means anything..... | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 21:43 - Jul 16 with 903 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:39 - Jul 16 by Blue_Castello |
Take your point bad choice of word, using the Redknapp example is check mate.
Still think Marty had to sell himself to Leicester and tell them exactly what happened from his perspective, they then decided to offer him the job, we can all decide for ourselves if that means anything..... |
“ decide for ourselves”
Therein lies the problem. Assumption, conjecture and speculation.
We all decide our own truths based on our own perceptions and beliefs, especially in the absence of any confirmed and verified facts. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 21:55 - Jul 16 with 836 views | lassel |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:25 - Jul 16 by Burnleyhoop |
So if the club wasn’t bothered about Marti whispering sweet nothings into the ear of WBA, why was he placed on garden leave?
And if it was WBA who made the approach, isn’t that a breach of EFL regulations and as such subject to sanctions of some description?
Clear as mud. |
He was placed on gardening leave because they wanted rid of him and West Brom was a useful excuse.
West Brom approaching his agent was technically against the rules yes, just as it was against the rules when QPR spoke to Cifuentes whilst he was still Hammarby manager, and just as it’s against the goes for literally every transfer in world football where the buying club speaks to the agent first to ascertain interest before speaking the owner club. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 21:55 - Jul 16 with 836 views | Hoopsie |
It takes two hands to clap
But which hand looking for an applause is something difficult to ponder from the outside |  |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 22:44 - Jul 16 with 745 views | ChrisNW6 |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 21:55 - Jul 16 by lassel |
He was placed on gardening leave because they wanted rid of him and West Brom was a useful excuse.
West Brom approaching his agent was technically against the rules yes, just as it was against the rules when QPR spoke to Cifuentes whilst he was still Hammarby manager, and just as it’s against the goes for literally every transfer in world football where the buying club speaks to the agent first to ascertain interest before speaking the owner club. |
or they placed him on garden leave because they knew he was not a viable long term option and was the best option for the club.
You seem to have a lot of inside knowledge, but it looks like placing Marti on garden leave was the correct decision. He was going to leave at some point and the club needed to be able to move forward. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 22:53 - Jul 16 with 719 views | kensalriser |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 22:44 - Jul 16 by ChrisNW6 |
or they placed him on garden leave because they knew he was not a viable long term option and was the best option for the club.
You seem to have a lot of inside knowledge, but it looks like placing Marti on garden leave was the correct decision. He was going to leave at some point and the club needed to be able to move forward. |
Long term option?
Surely no one needs reminding of the typical length of a Championship managerial appointment. | |
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