| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:11 - Jul 16 with 1887 views | Northernr |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:03 - Jul 16 by Burnleyhoop |
All guesswork fuelled by emotion. People choose their heroes and villains from an emotional standpoint regardless of the facts, which there appears to be very little of.
So it’s not disloyal to be looking for another job whilst being under the employ of your current club?
Sorry, doesn’t sit well with me, regardless of what was happening behind the scenes, none of which known and is pure speculation. |
Every player and every manager is doing this in football every day of every week. It's how we got Cifuentes here in the first place.
If Stephan gets QPR moving up the table, starts getting plaudits, his agent will be on manoeuvres by Christmas. Just like the agents for all of our players currently are. |  | |  |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:12 - Jul 16 with 1875 views | PinnerR |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:03 - Jul 16 by Burnleyhoop |
All guesswork fuelled by emotion. People choose their heroes and villains from an emotional standpoint regardless of the facts, which there appears to be very little of.
So it’s not disloyal to be looking for another job whilst being under the employ of your current club?
Sorry, doesn’t sit well with me, regardless of what was happening behind the scenes, none of which known and is pure speculation. |
I spent over 30 years teaching. Every Friday the "Times Educational Supplement" would arrive in the staff room and there was a scramble to get hold of it to look for jobs. This happened in evry school that I worked in. It's life, even if people are happy where they are they are always looking for the next job. It should be no different in football, it's a job. |  | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:17 - Jul 16 with 1820 views | Blue_Castello |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 19:14 - Jul 15 by francisbowles |
Sorry, but most on here don't seem to agree. If you think you're being forced out, surely you would look for alternative opportunities. It's not being disloyal to explore possibilities. He told several fans that he wanted to stay.
The compensation, I think, is a smokescreen. We may have paid two or three times that, or more to settle his contract.
I'm not anti Noury, he's done some good things for the long term future BUT he seems to be the villain of this piece. |
Agreed we have been told the relationship with Nourry was toxic, they obviously disagreed on a number of issues, therefore Marti knew that his future was going to have to be with another club. Nourry is Lee Hoos man so had his full backing, it sounds as if Ruben overruled them once in October to save his job but that wasn't happening twice.
I always thought once Marti had an opportunity to get an interview he could tell the new employer his side of the story, they would obviously want to know what exactly happened, so I'm guessing the Leicester owners don't see him as a disruptive influence and that it wasn't all his fault which some people seem to want to take pleasure in suggesting. |  | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:24 - Jul 16 with 1771 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:11 - Jul 16 by Northernr |
Every player and every manager is doing this in football every day of every week. It's how we got Cifuentes here in the first place.
If Stephan gets QPR moving up the table, starts getting plaudits, his agent will be on manoeuvres by Christmas. Just like the agents for all of our players currently are. |
Exactly, With all this "snake" stuff on social media you would think Cifuentes walked out on us like Beale to take the WBA job. He was sacked by QPR, apparently for having the temerity to be on the lookout for better opportunities. As people say on this thread, totally normal behaviour and provided it doesn't affect your 100% efforts to the current job, I don't see the problem. More like down to Nourry and the hierarchy to make sure that a good manager doesn't want to take any other opportunities rather than sack him for looking around. Or it was just the excuse he was looking for, more like.
Total farce. I am sure Dec 20th will be another one of those Loftus Road moments a la Seaman where half the crowd is spitting vitriol and the other half cheering a returning hero. Such fun!
I know what I will be doing, if Stephan has us languishing in the bottom three and Leicester cruising to promotion even with a points deduction.....welcoming back Marti and telling Nourry to get out of our club.
But, I am a fair man, so if Stephan is actually doing a good job - I will reserve just a polite clap for MC and get behind the lads and the second Messiah that is Julien.
Fickle, that's me. |  | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:28 - Jul 16 with 1736 views | kernowhoop |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 22:00 - Jul 15 by Hoopsie |
There were some terrible games. The 5-0 trashing in the last home game by burnley surely take the cake. Burnley had secured promotion, probably on vacation, did we down tools? It was his last game and it the players were anything but they should be fighting hard for a memorable send off.
I hope we support the new coach as much as the last coach and cont be bias just because he is a Nourry Appointment.
Onwards Ursss |
That 0-5 defeat by Burnley - I know that it should not have been but, was it a morale issue? Morale affected by rumours about the boss? | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:31 - Jul 16 with 1698 views | Mirrorball |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:24 - Jul 16 by GaryBannister86 |
Exactly, With all this "snake" stuff on social media you would think Cifuentes walked out on us like Beale to take the WBA job. He was sacked by QPR, apparently for having the temerity to be on the lookout for better opportunities. As people say on this thread, totally normal behaviour and provided it doesn't affect your 100% efforts to the current job, I don't see the problem. More like down to Nourry and the hierarchy to make sure that a good manager doesn't want to take any other opportunities rather than sack him for looking around. Or it was just the excuse he was looking for, more like.
Total farce. I am sure Dec 20th will be another one of those Loftus Road moments a la Seaman where half the crowd is spitting vitriol and the other half cheering a returning hero. Such fun!
I know what I will be doing, if Stephan has us languishing in the bottom three and Leicester cruising to promotion even with a points deduction.....welcoming back Marti and telling Nourry to get out of our club.
But, I am a fair man, so if Stephan is actually doing a good job - I will reserve just a polite clap for MC and get behind the lads and the second Messiah that is Julien.
Fickle, that's me. |
The reason he was put on gardening leave is only apparently because he spoke to WBA.
The actual reason is not known outside of the club.
My view is that he did a great job in his first season and a good job with a much-changed squad in his second. Above all he came across as a likeable person and galvanised the dressing room.
Whatever happened behind the scenes, I wish him well and look forward to the club taking the good work he did and progressing even more. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:41 - Jul 16 with 1630 views | Northernr |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:24 - Jul 16 by GaryBannister86 |
Exactly, With all this "snake" stuff on social media you would think Cifuentes walked out on us like Beale to take the WBA job. He was sacked by QPR, apparently for having the temerity to be on the lookout for better opportunities. As people say on this thread, totally normal behaviour and provided it doesn't affect your 100% efforts to the current job, I don't see the problem. More like down to Nourry and the hierarchy to make sure that a good manager doesn't want to take any other opportunities rather than sack him for looking around. Or it was just the excuse he was looking for, more like.
Total farce. I am sure Dec 20th will be another one of those Loftus Road moments a la Seaman where half the crowd is spitting vitriol and the other half cheering a returning hero. Such fun!
I know what I will be doing, if Stephan has us languishing in the bottom three and Leicester cruising to promotion even with a points deduction.....welcoming back Marti and telling Nourry to get out of our club.
But, I am a fair man, so if Stephan is actually doing a good job - I will reserve just a polite clap for MC and get behind the lads and the second Messiah that is Julien.
Fickle, that's me. |
The posters I'm seeing on here and on social media making out like Cifuentes actually didn't do a good job and held us back are making an already difficult situation harder for Stephan, because if Cifuentes was really that bad then fine off you go up the table this season then.
Personally I think it will be hard to move much further up the league with this squad and this budget, and if we can just be a bit better at home, play better football, develop some players for serious sales and change our attitude to cups then I'd be quite happy with another 15thish season. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:44 - Jul 16 with 1618 views | eastside_r |
The thing is, we’re probably never going to know what exactly happened and whatever did would be open to different interpretations by either party. No doubt this is all covered by an NDA in the settlement.
No-one still employed at the club is going to spill the beans.
If a player (say Colback) is released, he might have a tale to tell, but again this might only be hearsay and based on his agenda.
From what I witnessed with my own eyes, i.e. the on-field stuff, I am pro-Marti and all this ‘disloyal’ stuff is a bit much when people don’t know the facts. |  | | |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:59 - Jul 16 with 1540 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:41 - Jul 16 by Northernr |
The posters I'm seeing on here and on social media making out like Cifuentes actually didn't do a good job and held us back are making an already difficult situation harder for Stephan, because if Cifuentes was really that bad then fine off you go up the table this season then.
Personally I think it will be hard to move much further up the league with this squad and this budget, and if we can just be a bit better at home, play better football, develop some players for serious sales and change our attitude to cups then I'd be quite happy with another 15thish season. |
"change our attitude to cups"
I've got a very close eye on this one. Nourry can win some brownie points here by forcing his managers to play their strongest teams in the cup.
The ongoing consequences of resting players for Leicester away in the 3rd round now exacerbated with MC ending up in their manager's chair. All those long-term benefits for not playing a full team against a side that didn't score a goal at home for about 4 months.
It was the one thing I didn't like that MC did. It must change. There is no such thing as jam tomorrow in the QPR world, so play for today. Try and win the only three competitions we enter. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 10:00 - Jul 16 with 1523 views | Northernr |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:59 - Jul 16 by GaryBannister86 |
"change our attitude to cups"
I've got a very close eye on this one. Nourry can win some brownie points here by forcing his managers to play their strongest teams in the cup.
The ongoing consequences of resting players for Leicester away in the 3rd round now exacerbated with MC ending up in their manager's chair. All those long-term benefits for not playing a full team against a side that didn't score a goal at home for about 4 months.
It was the one thing I didn't like that MC did. It must change. There is no such thing as jam tomorrow in the QPR world, so play for today. Try and win the only three competitions we enter. |
Yeh I didn't like that at all, that Leicester game was a big opportunity and we took a great following up there. Embarrassed ourselves.
Stephan's cup record is pretty formidable but we'll certainly be giving that a tough examination haha. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 10:09 - Jul 16 with 1463 views | francisbowles |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:03 - Jul 16 by Burnleyhoop |
All guesswork fuelled by emotion. People choose their heroes and villains from an emotional standpoint regardless of the facts, which there appears to be very little of.
So it’s not disloyal to be looking for another job whilst being under the employ of your current club?
Sorry, doesn’t sit well with me, regardless of what was happening behind the scenes, none of which known and is pure speculation. |
No it's not all guesswork and it's not all fuelled by emotion. It's not pure speculation it's leaks from within the club initially being reported by those in the media with connections to them.
It's following the club, assessing the information available from the club, the media and on this site and seeing where it leads. It's 99% certain that there was a clash between our joint CEO and our Head Coach.
It's a powerplay and the one with the power is always going to come out on top.
Would you sit by, if your boss was behaving like that, seeing and knowing what's happening, and not take any action to protect your future livelihood? | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 10:10 - Jul 16 with 1458 views | terryb |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:03 - Jul 16 by Burnleyhoop |
All guesswork fuelled by emotion. People choose their heroes and villains from an emotional standpoint regardless of the facts, which there appears to be very little of.
So it’s not disloyal to be looking for another job whilst being under the employ of your current club?
Sorry, doesn’t sit well with me, regardless of what was happening behind the scenes, none of which known and is pure speculation. |
Have you never looked for another job while employed? Have none of your family or friends looked for another job while employed? If they did, did you accuse them of disloyalty?
I certainly applied for other jobs . As did all of my colleagues, including senior management. Not one of us would have considered it as being disloyal. Was Nourry disloyal to his employers when he was appointed at Queens Park Rangers?
Personally, I'm pleased that the episode has come to an end & hope that we've not made a really stupid decision. Like 99% of players & management staff that leave us, I'm indifferent to how Cifuentes does at Leicester, but I thank him for his achievements for us. [Post edited 16 Jul 10:17]
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 10:16 - Jul 16 with 1421 views | 7374Ranger |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:28 - Jul 16 by kernowhoop |
That 0-5 defeat by Burnley - I know that it should not have been but, was it a morale issue? Morale affected by rumours about the boss? |
Given the lack of effort by many of the players in that game (as highlighted by that QPR ‘breakaway’ that saw no Teammate catch up with Dembele, yet most of the Burnley players got back), I would say morale was low.
MC’s days we’re looking numbered so no doubt his agents were looking elsewhere.
As for the compensation of £500,000 all I can say on that is that it is no where near high enough to have made such a fuss over. I thought it would have been at least double that.
How much did it cost the club to negotiate his departure?
Good luck to him at Leicester and the best of luck to Stephan with trying to keep this QPR squad out of the bottom 8.
If at least one more centre forward, LB and a CM are not signed another struggle is likely this season. [Post edited 16 Jul 18:20]
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 10:21 - Jul 16 with 1382 views | wombat |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:59 - Jul 16 by GaryBannister86 |
"change our attitude to cups"
I've got a very close eye on this one. Nourry can win some brownie points here by forcing his managers to play their strongest teams in the cup.
The ongoing consequences of resting players for Leicester away in the 3rd round now exacerbated with MC ending up in their manager's chair. All those long-term benefits for not playing a full team against a side that didn't score a goal at home for about 4 months.
It was the one thing I didn't like that MC did. It must change. There is no such thing as jam tomorrow in the QPR world, so play for today. Try and win the only three competitions we enter. |
with our paper skin squad can you blame him for resting players though ?
remember we finished the last third of the season with no fit strikers in the club nothing coming from the dev squad either , likely to be same next season unless dillon steps up a level
and we look like going into the coming season with pretty much the same issues if not more than we did last season ,
celar poor
frey tried hard but will be injured a lot
kolli injured at present
lloyd coming back from op
kellman who nows
add again no first choice left back
clark slater injured still
colback and fox likely to be gone by august
i think he did a excellent job keeeping us and keeping us last season up comftably .
will the fans give the latest victim the same support on a losing run ? [Post edited 16 Jul 13:38]
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 11:48 - Jul 16 with 1186 views | stinkydad |
You can't compare being a football manager or head coach with any other job. You sign a contract for a fixed term and I'm sure that contract will contain terms and clauses that you won't find in any other job contract.
Marty clearly broke the terms of his contract in some way but we'll probably never know how.
Mind you, player and manager contracts seem pretty much meaningless in many ways these days... |  | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 12:07 - Jul 16 with 1087 views | francisbowles |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 11:48 - Jul 16 by stinkydad |
You can't compare being a football manager or head coach with any other job. You sign a contract for a fixed term and I'm sure that contract will contain terms and clauses that you won't find in any other job contract.
Marty clearly broke the terms of his contract in some way but we'll probably never know how.
Mind you, player and manager contracts seem pretty much meaningless in many ways these days... |
If he had broken the terms of his contract, wouldn't he actually have been dismissed and not placed on gardening leave? | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 12:07 - Jul 16 with 1085 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 11:48 - Jul 16 by stinkydad |
You can't compare being a football manager or head coach with any other job. You sign a contract for a fixed term and I'm sure that contract will contain terms and clauses that you won't find in any other job contract.
Marty clearly broke the terms of his contract in some way but we'll probably never know how.
Mind you, player and manager contracts seem pretty much meaningless in many ways these days... |
Well, I beg to differ.
Many of us have operated under fixed term contracts and certainly, well before their conclusion, you're looking elsewhere, even if you're talking to your current employer about extending your contract.
Equally, FTCs for the likes of you and me have release/notice clauses. To not have such would be tantamount to forced labour and insult the concept of freedom of contract. Especially so if your employer is a twunt/it's not working out etc.
The flip of course, clubs sack managers before the expiration of the FTC, and will usually pay-up the remainder of the contract. But with football managers when they want to terminate the FTC early, there's inevitably a 'release clause' activated which is where the real difference is.
As everyone seems to agree: Of course managers/coaches and players are going to look to better themselves and if MC thought his situation precarious and/or there's a better opportunity elsewhere, then he'll look.
Maybe, as you say, there was something else we don't know. However, looking at it from the outside: I'm unsure as to whether QPR handled this well in terms of avoiding the need to pay-off MC and maximise the release clause. |  |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 12:12 - Jul 16 with 1064 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
He did a decent job for us. I absolutely loved him when he first joined, but by the end something had clearly gone wrong and the football was unwatchable. I'm not sure anyone could, hand on heart, say it wasn't.
I wish him luck, and no doubt in 20 years time he'll be back as a Forever R.
When he makes his first return I'll give him a clap.
I'm just praying that Stephane has a good start as I don't think anyone wants it going toxic. | |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 12:38 - Jul 16 with 965 views | Northernr |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 11:48 - Jul 16 by stinkydad |
You can't compare being a football manager or head coach with any other job. You sign a contract for a fixed term and I'm sure that contract will contain terms and clauses that you won't find in any other job contract.
Marty clearly broke the terms of his contract in some way but we'll probably never know how.
Mind you, player and manager contracts seem pretty much meaningless in many ways these days... |
Well quite - if Gavin Ward hadn't disallowed a Stoke goal six months earlier we'd have been booting him and his assistant out 5 minutes after telling them they were secure in their jobs here with new contracts. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 13:37 - Jul 16 with 795 views | wombat |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 10:10 - Jul 16 by terryb |
Have you never looked for another job while employed? Have none of your family or friends looked for another job while employed? If they did, did you accuse them of disloyalty?
I certainly applied for other jobs . As did all of my colleagues, including senior management. Not one of us would have considered it as being disloyal. Was Nourry disloyal to his employers when he was appointed at Queens Park Rangers?
Personally, I'm pleased that the episode has come to an end & hope that we've not made a really stupid decision. Like 99% of players & management staff that leave us, I'm indifferent to how Cifuentes does at Leicester, but I thank him for his achievements for us. [Post edited 16 Jul 10:17]
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Believe nourry was only a consultant in his short term employment there . ive been apporached numerous time when with employers its life and shows ur doing a decent job mostly . and its a daily occcurance in football , even when your contracts are a closely guarded secret , for that added advantage well unless you ara a forest player it seems . | |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 13:40 - Jul 16 with 769 views | wombat |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 06:16 - Jul 9 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Isn't it true that a large % of CEOs are psychopaths? Lack of empathy, etc, that's why they can do the job.
Personally, I'd be worried sick what people thought of me.
So MCs payout will be covered by the compensation, pretty clever considering how much we have lost hiring and firing managers over the past 10 years. |
possibly covered his pay off , who knows what he was actually paid to leave the club he had receently signed a new contract with preumably a pay increase , how much of it did they pay him to walk away half all ? | |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 13:47 - Jul 16 with 729 views | kensalriser |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 12:07 - Jul 16 by francisbowles |
If he had broken the terms of his contract, wouldn't he actually have been dismissed and not placed on gardening leave? |
Exactly.
Dismissed for cause, no need for garden leave or to pay him another penny.
The entire farrago was a bungle. |  |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 15:29 - Jul 16 with 518 views | francisbowles |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 13:40 - Jul 16 by wombat |
possibly covered his pay off , who knows what he was actually paid to leave the club he had receently signed a new contract with preumably a pay increase , how much of it did they pay him to walk away half all ? |
Yes to add to that Wombat, I will speculate a bit.
Cook is rumoured to be on £30k a week. If we say Marti was on £25k and had one year left on his contract, then to pay him off fully would be £1.3 million. If he was only on £20k (1.04m). I wouldn't have thought he was on any less than this.
Leicester are reported to have paid £500k in compensation, so on that first estimate it has cost us £800k, (or£540k) which counts against our stretched FFP budget. In addition to that, his sell on was rumoured to be in excess of that, maybe £1m - £2m, so an indirect loss that won't appear in the accounts but would have had a positive effect on our FFP budget. [Post edited 16 Jul 15:30]
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 15:45 - Jul 16 with 462 views | LongRanger |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 15:29 - Jul 16 by francisbowles |
Yes to add to that Wombat, I will speculate a bit.
Cook is rumoured to be on £30k a week. If we say Marti was on £25k and had one year left on his contract, then to pay him off fully would be £1.3 million. If he was only on £20k (1.04m). I wouldn't have thought he was on any less than this.
Leicester are reported to have paid £500k in compensation, so on that first estimate it has cost us £800k, (or£540k) which counts against our stretched FFP budget. In addition to that, his sell on was rumoured to be in excess of that, maybe £1m - £2m, so an indirect loss that won't appear in the accounts but would have had a positive effect on our FFP budget. [Post edited 16 Jul 15:30]
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My understanding is its only the top managers who get contracts paid out in full, all others, e.g. Marti, would be paid until they get another job. If that new job pays them less, the sacking club subsidise it to the same level they were at, until the cancelled contract would have expired. If the new club pay the same or more, the pay out ends when they begin new employment.
I still think the gardening leave idea will have jeopardised more compensation than anything we did get. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 15:46 - Jul 16 with 457 views | TK1 |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 12:38 - Jul 16 by Northernr |
Well quite - if Gavin Ward hadn't disallowed a Stoke goal six months earlier we'd have been booting him and his assistant out 5 minutes after telling them they were secure in their jobs here with new contracts. |
And Jimmy Dunne was so busy looking for a new job that we had to rest him for a big London derby (that we lost because our makeshift defence was so powder puff).
But six months later he's got a lovely new contract and he is the team captain. Sometimes you get gardening leave for looking elsewhere, sometimes - Jimmy, Ben Williams - you get a promotion, a nice new contract and a puff piece on the official website.
Not all pigs are equal! | | | |
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