| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:12 - Jul 19 with 3516 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 08:32 - Jul 19 by GaryBannister86 |
I don't think the pro-Marti camp see him as a "wronged messiah". I do believe he got us as a club, I think he was genuinely moved by the support he got during the bad times (good luck with that at Leicester, mate), but do I think he now has a QPR tattoo and will be an R for the rest of his life? No, of course not. He's a professional and he's moved on, he's already done a Leicester intro interview identical to his one here, except replacing "Stan Bowles, Les Ferdinand" with "Gary Lineker, Peter Shilton" and no doubt he will be running around the King Power high fiving the fans before the first game.
I do however, think we have lost a good manager and that we should have tried a lot harder to keep him for longer. I don't think it would have been that difficult.
On reflection, Marti did have two major bits of fortune here. 1) Following the worst manager in the history of the world, making us instantly hang on his every word, desperate to hear something erudite and motivating rather than something about being privileged to be in the same division or some sort of Haka rubbish and 2) the song. Odd to say, but it definitely helped his popularity.
I bear him no ill will whatsoever and I hope this snake rubbish is put to bed and he gets a warm reception next time we see him. However, now we have monstered Toulouse, I am firmly in the StephanWeTrust camp. |
He built a great relationship with the fans no doubt. But did he get the club?
Whatever actually happened behind the scenes, things began to unravel fairly quickly. Unless everyone within the management structure are singing from the same hymn sheet, you can’t expect things to go swimmingly.
The signings last summer were probably the catalyst for the collapse of the relationship between Marti and the “club”.
But we move on, finally. At least we appear to have a happy camp during preseason and I honestly can’t wait for the season to start. |  | |  |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:30 - Jul 19 with 3444 views | Stainrod |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:22 - Jul 18 by Padulas_Shampoo |
It's definitely not as simple as that. I'm not suggesting that's not a contributing factor - of course it is - but for both Beale and Cifuentes to have come in, worked around the place for 6 months and for them both to almost immediately be open to 'better offers' is not coincidental. Nor is it purely a reaction to a financial position that hadn't changed one jot for either of them since the day they'd taken the job.
For me there is something happening at the club which makes being the Head Coach a hard job that people don't want to carry on doing.
The difference between Beale and Marti is Marti saw his job through - Came in with us in the proverbial 5hit, got us out of it, saw out the season and kept us in the division. Whereas Beale coerced the club into spending a lot of money on the likes of Roberts, Balogun and Richards, directly addressed fans lecturing us about loyalty, looked us in the eyes and told us he wouldn't be leaving, then buggered off leaving behind a completely rotten and toxic squad. Marti isn't on the same planet as him morally; because he has some. [Post edited 18 Jul 9:23]
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I have been wondering this myself. But Beale had Hoos for a boss, Marti had Nourry - very different characters. Beale got the players he wanted (within the budget, and probably a bit beyond). Marti it seems had less say.
So if the apparent disillusionment of the two most talented head coaches we have had in recent years is not down to budgets (surely explained at interview anyway?) what exactly is it that is rotten in the state of Shepherds Bush?
Am not denying there is something, just not clear to me what. Perhaps as fans we are too QPR-centric to focus on the bigger picture. Someone posted on here recently that Norwich had something like 4-times our budget last season. So many Championship clubs seem to have sold players for significant dosh in the last couple of year (even Millwall!), maybe it is nothing more than seeing our budget shrinking in relative terms to our rivals, and certainly in Marti's case perhaps not feeling the love from the board for still being able to compete with the likes of Norwich and Watford? Purely speculation on my part.
But if that is the case, it perhaps explains the now really aggressive promotion of youth even at the expense of results (eg Walsh in for Nardi). Nourry is desperately throwing sh*t at the wall (if our developments squad doesn't mind being characterised in this way) in the hope that at least one of them will be a star. Its probably the only route open to us. But as Marti might smile wryly, we will see how such a "project" runs up against reality should we be languishing near the trap door at Christmas. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 10:39 - Jul 19 with 3281 views | lassel |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:22 - Jul 18 by Padulas_Shampoo |
It's definitely not as simple as that. I'm not suggesting that's not a contributing factor - of course it is - but for both Beale and Cifuentes to have come in, worked around the place for 6 months and for them both to almost immediately be open to 'better offers' is not coincidental. Nor is it purely a reaction to a financial position that hadn't changed one jot for either of them since the day they'd taken the job.
For me there is something happening at the club which makes being the Head Coach a hard job that people don't want to carry on doing.
The difference between Beale and Marti is Marti saw his job through - Came in with us in the proverbial 5hit, got us out of it, saw out the season and kept us in the division. Whereas Beale coerced the club into spending a lot of money on the likes of Roberts, Balogun and Richards, directly addressed fans lecturing us about loyalty, looked us in the eyes and told us he wouldn't be leaving, then buggered off leaving behind a completely rotten and toxic squad. Marti isn't on the same planet as him morally; because he has some. [Post edited 18 Jul 9:23]
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Dave said it better than I could.
People aren’t taking a job at QPR because they grew up with QPR bedsheets, they’re taking the job as it’s a development club where you can come in, get a few good results and get out again.
Beale took the job as we bent over and gaped for all his demands, got us going nicely, bigger clubs rang so he took the call.
Cifuentes came in, kept us up, bigger clubs rang so he took the call.
If Stephan gets us off the a good start, bigger clubs will ring and he will take the call.
Of course there are other issues that don’t make it a lifetime job - the club is being run by two egomaniacs, playing in a small, ramshackle stadium and most importantly can’t compete financially.
Its a job you can make short term impact in, but not be a long term success and as such will continue to be hugely attractive to managers wanting to get into the English football gravy train as you can move the deckchairs around, make a quick impact and engineer a move up the food chain. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 12:09 - Jul 19 with 3140 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 10:39 - Jul 19 by lassel |
Dave said it better than I could.
People aren’t taking a job at QPR because they grew up with QPR bedsheets, they’re taking the job as it’s a development club where you can come in, get a few good results and get out again.
Beale took the job as we bent over and gaped for all his demands, got us going nicely, bigger clubs rang so he took the call.
Cifuentes came in, kept us up, bigger clubs rang so he took the call.
If Stephan gets us off the a good start, bigger clubs will ring and he will take the call.
Of course there are other issues that don’t make it a lifetime job - the club is being run by two egomaniacs, playing in a small, ramshackle stadium and most importantly can’t compete financially.
Its a job you can make short term impact in, but not be a long term success and as such will continue to be hugely attractive to managers wanting to get into the English football gravy train as you can move the deckchairs around, make a quick impact and engineer a move up the food chain. |
“Cifuentes came in, kept us up, bigger clubs rang so he took the call”
Are you sure that’s what happened?
The whole crux of the argument which I rather foolishly initiated, was Marti engineered his own move away from the club by having his representatives talk to WBA about their vacancy.
WBA did not approach Cifuentes, and if they did, they would have required permission from the club to do so, would they not? | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 12:26 - Jul 19 with 3079 views | lassel |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 12:09 - Jul 19 by Burnleyhoop |
“Cifuentes came in, kept us up, bigger clubs rang so he took the call”
Are you sure that’s what happened?
The whole crux of the argument which I rather foolishly initiated, was Marti engineered his own move away from the club by having his representatives talk to WBA about their vacancy.
WBA did not approach Cifuentes, and if they did, they would have required permission from the club to do so, would they not? |
Yes, I can tell you with 100% certainty that Cifuentes’ agent didn’t turn up unannounced in Birmingham, knocking on doors and windows demanding to be let in to discuss his client with them on the off-chance they fancied changing manager.
The idea that players and managers arent exploring their market without their clubs granting permission first is, to put it kindly, naive. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 14:27 - Jul 19 with 2920 views | KensalT |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 12:26 - Jul 19 by lassel |
Yes, I can tell you with 100% certainty that Cifuentes’ agent didn’t turn up unannounced in Birmingham, knocking on doors and windows demanding to be let in to discuss his client with them on the off-chance they fancied changing manager.
The idea that players and managers arent exploring their market without their clubs granting permission first is, to put it kindly, naive. |
You can't have spent much time in the West Midlands.
Don't want to get Birmingham and The Black Country mixed up.
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 17:24 - Jul 19 with 2712 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 12:26 - Jul 19 by lassel |
Yes, I can tell you with 100% certainty that Cifuentes’ agent didn’t turn up unannounced in Birmingham, knocking on doors and windows demanding to be let in to discuss his client with them on the off-chance they fancied changing manager.
The idea that players and managers arent exploring their market without their clubs granting permission first is, to put it kindly, naive. |
You know what, if I was the CEO at a club and knew my manager was approaching other clubs, I would put him on garden leave. Strike that, I would personally walk him through the door marked “do one you ungrateful, disloyal prick”
But maybe thats just my naivety. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 17:57 - Jul 19 with 2654 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 17:24 - Jul 19 by Burnleyhoop |
You know what, if I was the CEO at a club and knew my manager was approaching other clubs, I would put him on garden leave. Strike that, I would personally walk him through the door marked “do one you ungrateful, disloyal prick”
But maybe thats just my naivety. |
Yes that’s exactly what it is. |  | | |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:01 - Jul 19 with 2626 views | QPR_John |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 12:26 - Jul 19 by lassel |
Yes, I can tell you with 100% certainty that Cifuentes’ agent didn’t turn up unannounced in Birmingham, knocking on doors and windows demanding to be let in to discuss his client with them on the off-chance they fancied changing manager.
The idea that players and managers arent exploring their market without their clubs granting permission first is, to put it kindly, naive. |
They may well have used the telephone | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:10 - Jul 19 with 2621 views | lassel |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 17:24 - Jul 19 by Burnleyhoop |
You know what, if I was the CEO at a club and knew my manager was approaching other clubs, I would put him on garden leave. Strike that, I would personally walk him through the door marked “do one you ungrateful, disloyal prick”
But maybe thats just my naivety. |
And that would be your right to do.
You wouldn’t have a manager or any players, but it would be your right. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 00:54 - Jul 20 with 2412 views | wombat |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:10 - Jul 19 by lassel |
And that would be your right to do.
You wouldn’t have a manager or any players, but it would be your right. |
Wouldn’t be managers or indeed players if that actually happened though as all would be on green keave most of the time . |  |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 01:46 - Jul 20 with 2344 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 17:57 - Jul 19 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Yes that’s exactly what it is. |
No, it’s just that I have higher standards than most, Including you, obviously.. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 05:06 - Jul 20 with 2269 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 01:46 - Jul 20 by Burnleyhoop |
No, it’s just that I have higher standards than most, Including you, obviously.. |
How do you feel about Varane this summer? Ungrateful, disloyal prick? Should be on garden leave? Marching him through the door? | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 12:05 - Jul 20 with 2028 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 05:06 - Jul 20 by Padulas_Shampoo |
How do you feel about Varane this summer? Ungrateful, disloyal prick? Should be on garden leave? Marching him through the door? |
As stated previously, not really bothered what players do, I just expect more from those who are employed to lead and set the standards.
What is Varane up to exactly? Thought he was injured. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 15:52 - Jul 20 with 1827 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 12:05 - Jul 20 by Burnleyhoop |
As stated previously, not really bothered what players do, I just expect more from those who are employed to lead and set the standards.
What is Varane up to exactly? Thought he was injured. |
Well you can bury your head in the sand as much as you like but clubs are talking to managers’ agents when they already have a job whether you like it or not. We would have sounded out Mart’s when he was still at Hammarby when Ainsworth was still manager. In fact given they had it sewn up in a matter of days they had probably held detailed negotiations whilst Ainsworth was employed. Why do you think agents exist?
Likewise I find it highly unlikely that Stephan and / or his agent hasn’t had constant dialogue with QPR probably as far back as last Autumn. Is it a coincidence that the Marti replacement rumours last October were French managers?
All clubs will do it, all managers would want their agents to have their ear to the ground for promotions and pay rises. Holding Marti or Stephan or any other QPR manager to account to some wistful, unconditional expectation is unrealistic and once again, naive. We’re only QPR. This is only the epicentre of the footballing universe for us. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:33 - Jul 20 with 1602 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 01:46 - Jul 20 by Burnleyhoop |
No, it’s just that I have higher standards than most, Including you, obviously.. |
Careful - you'll turn yourself into scapegoat No. 2 on this board with ethics like that! PS You're right, and football is wrong. |  |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 19:35 - Jul 20 with 1518 views | francisbowles |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:33 - Jul 20 by stainrods_elbow |
Careful - you'll turn yourself into scapegoat No. 2 on this board with ethics like that! PS You're right, and football is wrong. |
Yes, you are morally correct but most of us try to live in the real world. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:43 - Jul 21 with 1160 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 19:35 - Jul 20 by francisbowles |
Yes, you are morally correct but most of us try to live in the real world. |
I live in it too strangely enough, and probably have for a lot longer than you.
I am not oblivious to the nonsense that goes on, but it doesn’t mean I have to like it or accept it and am perfectly entitled to call it out for what it is.
Clearly not popular, but everyone is entitled to their opinions and my view is that Marti looked to bale when he realised he wasn’t getting his own way, and who knows what impact that had on the squad and the staff. I suggest not a positive one. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:28 - Jul 22 with 823 views | wombat |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 18:43 - Jul 21 by Burnleyhoop |
I live in it too strangely enough, and probably have for a lot longer than you.
I am not oblivious to the nonsense that goes on, but it doesn’t mean I have to like it or accept it and am perfectly entitled to call it out for what it is.
Clearly not popular, but everyone is entitled to their opinions and my view is that Marti looked to bale when he realised he wasn’t getting his own way, and who knows what impact that had on the squad and the staff. I suggest not a positive one. |
has anyone heard the interview with the ex norwich manager ? Hoff seems he did indeed have talks with the club and it sounds like it was around the burnely game so before the garden leave , also intresting as sure we stated that we only wanted one manager yet in his interview , he talks in depth about the structure of the club , The way its heading , and why he didnt take the job doen to wages and a few other things he dosnt mention .so guessing he did indee sit down with nourry etc
so either hes made the whole story up or the clubs telling pork pies by saying we only wanted and spoke to one manager . | |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:54 - Jul 22 with 734 views | JamesB1979 |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 05:06 - Jul 20 by Padulas_Shampoo |
How do you feel about Varane this summer? Ungrateful, disloyal prick? Should be on garden leave? Marching him through the door? |
Has Varane and his “people” been talking to other clubs for certain? If he has then yes, I wouldn’t be that happy about it. He owes us another season. If he’s been approached first, then I think that’s slightly different. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 10:13 - Jul 22 with 648 views | wombat |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 09:54 - Jul 22 by JamesB1979 |
Has Varane and his “people” been talking to other clubs for certain? If he has then yes, I wouldn’t be that happy about it. He owes us another season. If he’s been approached first, then I think that’s slightly different. |
he would only have been talking to other clubs if his agent had told him of intrest .
i doubt hes been ringing clubs up saying hey do you fancy me in midfield next season .
not in the know but was told last season its unlikely he will be here this season , no idea why as seems happy here maybe hes not happy in london , maybe hes chasing the cash maybe its rubbish , lets see what happens in the coming couple of weeks . | |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 10:18 - Jul 22 with 631 views | JamesB1979 |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 15:52 - Jul 20 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Well you can bury your head in the sand as much as you like but clubs are talking to managers’ agents when they already have a job whether you like it or not. We would have sounded out Mart’s when he was still at Hammarby when Ainsworth was still manager. In fact given they had it sewn up in a matter of days they had probably held detailed negotiations whilst Ainsworth was employed. Why do you think agents exist?
Likewise I find it highly unlikely that Stephan and / or his agent hasn’t had constant dialogue with QPR probably as far back as last Autumn. Is it a coincidence that the Marti replacement rumours last October were French managers?
All clubs will do it, all managers would want their agents to have their ear to the ground for promotions and pay rises. Holding Marti or Stephan or any other QPR manager to account to some wistful, unconditional expectation is unrealistic and once again, naive. We’re only QPR. This is only the epicentre of the footballing universe for us. |
I understand what you’re saying, to quote JFH, “it is what it is”, but for me and I have no real justification but I’ve always thought you should stick it out for 12 months before you start looking. In all places of work, no harm in looking and everyone does it but I’ve always tried to give things a year to see if things change. That’s why I don’t really care about Marti this summer but last summer for me is a bit different, especially after that Leeds game. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 10:18 - Jul 22 with 624 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 19:35 - Jul 20 by francisbowles |
Yes, you are morally correct but most of us try to live in the real world. |
As Francis Bacon once put it, 'reality' is really overrated. | |
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| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 10:21 - Jul 22 with 609 views | JamesB1979 |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 10:13 - Jul 22 by wombat |
he would only have been talking to other clubs if his agent had told him of intrest .
i doubt hes been ringing clubs up saying hey do you fancy me in midfield next season .
not in the know but was told last season its unlikely he will be here this season , no idea why as seems happy here maybe hes not happy in london , maybe hes chasing the cash maybe its rubbish , lets see what happens in the coming couple of weeks . |
Guess it depends on who approached who first. If his agents are approached then, it is slightly different. I’d be disappointed as it’s less than 1 year he’s been with us and I think he can develop further with us. Guess we’ll find out in 2 weeks or so. | | | |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 10:23 - Jul 22 with 600 views | joe90 |
| Marti to Leicester…maybe on 10:18 - Jul 22 by stainrods_elbow |
As Francis Bacon once put it, 'reality' is really overrated. |
Do you like his paintings? Did you see his show at the portrait gallery? |  | | |
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