| Walsh v Nardi 18:43 - Aug 9 with 11122 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Thought it deserves its own thread.
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| Walsh v Nardi on 03:25 - Aug 12 with 2822 views | flynnbo |
| Walsh v Nardi on 00:15 - Aug 12 by YBlockW12 |
Also pleased Walsh is getting a chance.
Nardi does not command his six yard box let alone the area, stays on his line, he cannot kick properly, he would not give me any confidence if I was playing in front of him.
All pro goalkeepers are good shot stoppers, it is the other parts that make a top keeper. |
First post? Introduction, please. |  | | |
| Walsh v Nardi on 12:26 - Aug 12 with 2514 views | simmo |
| Walsh v Nardi on 00:53 - Aug 12 by strikerace |
Who is Scott Hatteburg? |
Walsh, but it was me that was terrified of the ball going in his general direction |  |
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| Walsh v Nardi on 12:37 - Aug 12 with 2489 views | extratimeR |
Nardi isn't to bad a keeper, but as the season wore on he started to punch more crosses than catch them, ( which on occasion put us back under pressure), I think Walsh is very confident with crosses and general catching, (kiss of death), a fine performance away at Sunderland, but I don't think it's helping having different Centre Halfs and full backs every game, ( particularly at set pieces, I would stick with Walsh and let the defence settle down and see how we go. |  | | |
| Walsh v Nardi on 12:44 - Aug 12 with 2471 views | simmo |
| Walsh v Nardi on 12:37 - Aug 12 by extratimeR |
Nardi isn't to bad a keeper, but as the season wore on he started to punch more crosses than catch them, ( which on occasion put us back under pressure), I think Walsh is very confident with crosses and general catching, (kiss of death), a fine performance away at Sunderland, but I don't think it's helping having different Centre Halfs and full backs every game, ( particularly at set pieces, I would stick with Walsh and let the defence settle down and see how we go. |
Walsh might not be the problem, but asking him to play in a way he's incapable/uncomfortable with is. If we only needed a keeper to do shot stopping and come for crosses we'd have kept Joe Lumley.
I don't think Nardi is amazing either but he's unequivocally better than Walsh - who is a liability playing out from the back - and is only ahead of Nardi because the sell on potential is better for a younger taller player. | |
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| Walsh v Nardi on 06:54 - Aug 13 with 2269 views | Jimboqpr |
Definitely saw the best and worst of Nardi last night. First half he was brilliant and was integral to getting us to HT with a 2 goal lead which we didn't really deserve on the balance of play. 2nd half, his weakness on crosses were clearly evident again. I think Nardi is still better than Walsh mainly because hes way more capable with the ball at his feet and he can make that risky short goal kick routine (which we seem hellbent on playing everytime) work a lot better than Walsh, who looked terrified and way out of his depth when he had to do it against Preston. Plus I think better CBs can help Nardi more with his weakness on crosses. If only Nardi had Walsh's height and catching ability we'd actually have a very decent Championship GK then! Walsh will probably get another chance against Watford though I'd imagine, as he hasnt made a significant mistake that has cost us yet. I just don't get how he's going to significantly improve his distribution from the floor in such a short space of time. Reminds me a bit of when Lumley was asked to do the same. | | | |
| Walsh v Nardi on 07:38 - Aug 13 with 2171 views | Harbour |
The first 2 Plymouth goals are shocking errors from Nardi…can see why he has been dropped…bide my time on Walsh give him a run out see how he has done after 5 matches. | | | |
| Walsh v Nardi on 08:38 - Aug 13 with 2056 views | nix |
| Walsh v Nardi on 07:38 - Aug 13 by Harbour |
The first 2 Plymouth goals are shocking errors from Nardi…can see why he has been dropped…bide my time on Walsh give him a run out see how he has done after 5 matches. |
Me too. He doesn't tend to throw the ball in the net so his mistakes aren't so obvious as late-stage Rob Green. But he doesn't help his defenders out by going for balls he really should. His distribution is much better and he's better with the ball at his feet. Personally I think Walsh is marginally better on shot stopping. The difference is that Walsh is 23 and can improve. I don't think 31 year old Nardi can. |  | | |
| Walsh v Nardi on 08:41 - Aug 13 with 2031 views | Phildo |
I don't think that goal kick routine is helping either of them. |  | | |
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| Walsh v Nardi (n/t) on 08:46 - Aug 13 with 1978 views | johncharles |
| Walsh v Nardi on 08:38 - Aug 13 by nix |
Me too. He doesn't tend to throw the ball in the net so his mistakes aren't so obvious as late-stage Rob Green. But he doesn't help his defenders out by going for balls he really should. His distribution is much better and he's better with the ball at his feet. Personally I think Walsh is marginally better on shot stopping. The difference is that Walsh is 23 and can improve. I don't think 31 year old Nardi can. |
31 ??? Oh my Gawd, one foot in the grave 🤣🤣 [Post edited 13 Aug 8:49]
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| Walsh v Nardi on 08:48 - Aug 13 with 1969 views | Watford_Ranger |
Walsh fan here. Tell him it’s his shirt and he’s getting a chance. Nardi is a good goalkeeper with a huge flaw in his game which is unlikely to be fixed while Walsh can and should improve from a position of being a capable goalkeeper already. The worst thing for a goalkeeper is feeling you’re one error from being dropped. | | | |
| Walsh v Nardi on 12:15 - Aug 13 with 1741 views | SK_hoops |
I didn't realise Nardi and Stéphan had worked with each other before. For Rennes B team. Nardi only got 1 appearance though, when the loan was cut short and he went to Club Brugge. | | | |
| Walsh v Nardi (n/t) on 12:26 - Aug 13 with 1685 views | nix |
| Walsh v Nardi (n/t) on 08:46 - Aug 13 by johncharles |
31 ??? Oh my Gawd, one foot in the grave 🤣🤣 [Post edited 13 Aug 8:49]
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Nah of course not. Point being he's played lots of professional matches to develop his game and hasn't fixed this whereas Walsh hasn't. I may be completely wrong but it seens easier to improve distribution, which seems to be more technique, to improving willingness to come for crosses and command your area which seems more ingrained. But those of you who've played goalie/coached this will know more than me. | | | |
| Walsh v Nardi on 13:43 - Aug 13 with 1602 views | Monkey_Roots |
| Walsh v Nardi on 07:38 - Aug 13 by Harbour |
The first 2 Plymouth goals are shocking errors from Nardi…can see why he has been dropped…bide my time on Walsh give him a run out see how he has done after 5 matches. |
Agreed.
Shame, because he had a first half to remember and a second half to forget. |  | | |
| Walsh v Nardi on 14:05 - Aug 13 with 1497 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Walsh v Nardi on 08:41 - Aug 13 by Phildo |
I don't think that goal kick routine is helping either of them. |
Honestly, can we bin that please. The players are clearly uncomfortable with it. We haven't once beaten the press with this ridiculous routine. |  | | |
| Walsh v Nardi on 14:14 - Aug 13 with 1477 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Walsh v Nardi on 07:38 - Aug 13 by Harbour |
The first 2 Plymouth goals are shocking errors from Nardi…can see why he has been dropped…bide my time on Walsh give him a run out see how he has done after 5 matches. |
That's a bit unfair. You have to give the opposition credit for good deliveries and also take into account that Nardi had a team of kids in front of him. Nardi made some very good saves to keep the scoreline respectable. I've no problem with the club promoting Walsh but Nardi deserves a little more respect and I hope he gets a move during this transfer window. That would be a win-win all round. | | | |
| Walsh v Nardi on 17:46 - Aug 13 with 1350 views | Gus_iom |
| Walsh v Nardi on 08:38 - Aug 13 by nix |
Me too. He doesn't tend to throw the ball in the net so his mistakes aren't so obvious as late-stage Rob Green. But he doesn't help his defenders out by going for balls he really should. His distribution is much better and he's better with the ball at his feet. Personally I think Walsh is marginally better on shot stopping. The difference is that Walsh is 23 and can improve. I don't think 31 year old Nardi can. |
The opposition know he won't go for those balls as well, allowing them to drop them in an area that is really hard to defend.
I wonder if Nardi got absolutely clattered at some stage? [Post edited 13 Aug 17:54]
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| Walsh v Nardi on 17:49 - Aug 13 with 1339 views | Harbour |
| Walsh v Nardi on 14:14 - Aug 13 by Benny_the_Ball |
That's a bit unfair. You have to give the opposition credit for good deliveries and also take into account that Nardi had a team of kids in front of him. Nardi made some very good saves to keep the scoreline respectable. I've no problem with the club promoting Walsh but Nardi deserves a little more respect and I hope he gets a move during this transfer window. That would be a win-win all round. |
Yes first half some good saves including the pen…but he should have done much better with the first 2 and I don’t think the defence are too blame ….he just doesn’t command the box and the second goal he got complexly caught out. Got nothing against the guy just don’t think his command of the box for crosses corners etc are good enough for the championship…Hope he gets move that suits him… | | | |
| Walsh v Nardi on 17:53 - Aug 13 with 1321 views | simmo |
As above, I think we saw the best and worst of Nardi last night. He hates coming off his line and it's an issue, but made some incredible saves 1st half - even the penalty was a good save rather than a bad penalty.
I'm inclined to swallow the short term pain of Walsh with the hope he becomes a better keeper, he's very young for the position after all and he won't ever be something sitting on the bench all year. I still think if we were making this decision that we should have loaned him first, but I guess they saw enough to believe he was capable now.
I think we can help him though by not making him play out so much - hopefully Frey back and Kone as more of a target man will give more licence for long kicks - and putting a settled back 4 in front of him. | |
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| Walsh v Nardi on 19:44 - Aug 13 with 1189 views | joolsyp |
| Walsh v Nardi on 17:49 - Aug 13 by Harbour |
Yes first half some good saves including the pen…but he should have done much better with the first 2 and I don’t think the defence are too blame ….he just doesn’t command the box and the second goal he got complexly caught out. Got nothing against the guy just don’t think his command of the box for crosses corners etc are good enough for the championship…Hope he gets move that suits him… |
Second goal yes but the first was Kolli's fault: back-header into a dangerous area. |  | | |
| Walsh v Nardi on 21:35 - Aug 13 with 1064 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Walsh v Nardi on 19:44 - Aug 13 by joolsyp |
Second goal yes but the first was Kolli's fault: back-header into a dangerous area. |
I think you're right, Joolsy, that he could not have saved the first. I'm not sure many keepers could. The first cross didn't reach him, it was short of the near post, the flick-on took him out of the game. The header back took him out as well. It's kind of a freak goal when you break it down.
Having said that his reaction time is uncertain, his footwork is uncertain, he could have moved across his goal-line far quicker after both flick-ons. I'm not sure it's saveable, but we should always discuss players' actions, not just judge them on the outcomes.
The second goal seems simpler to me. A slow, floated cross from 20/25 yards out on the angle to the back post would have been caught by many keepers, punched clear by some others. I've only seen one angle so I won'tjudge on that.
But, here again, we see the hesitancy, the poor footwork that we saw for the first goal. This time the player's actions might have influenced the outcome because in this case there was a great chance to save the shot at the back post had the reaction time and footwork been more certain.
But he doesn't put himself in a situation to either catch/punch clear, or make the save from the shot.
I also think that many keepers would have dived for the tap-in for the third. Just out of instinct and reaction time. Maybe they wouldn't have saved it, maybe it was unsaveable, but I think that a keeper with good reactions/footwork who lives on his toes would have got across to at least get damn close to it.
Having said all of that, he had a superb first half. |  |
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| Walsh v Nardi on 02:48 - Aug 14 with 923 views | smudgehoop |
Pure speculation, but I think the simple reason Walsh has been picked over Nardi is that Nardi is Out of Contract at the end of the season and he hasn't been offered or has refused a new deal. |  |
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| Walsh v Nardi on 08:19 - Aug 14 with 768 views | Harbour |
| Walsh v Nardi on 21:35 - Aug 13 by BrianMcCarthy |
I think you're right, Joolsy, that he could not have saved the first. I'm not sure many keepers could. The first cross didn't reach him, it was short of the near post, the flick-on took him out of the game. The header back took him out as well. It's kind of a freak goal when you break it down.
Having said that his reaction time is uncertain, his footwork is uncertain, he could have moved across his goal-line far quicker after both flick-ons. I'm not sure it's saveable, but we should always discuss players' actions, not just judge them on the outcomes.
The second goal seems simpler to me. A slow, floated cross from 20/25 yards out on the angle to the back post would have been caught by many keepers, punched clear by some others. I've only seen one angle so I won'tjudge on that.
But, here again, we see the hesitancy, the poor footwork that we saw for the first goal. This time the player's actions might have influenced the outcome because in this case there was a great chance to save the shot at the back post had the reaction time and footwork been more certain.
But he doesn't put himself in a situation to either catch/punch clear, or make the save from the shot.
I also think that many keepers would have dived for the tap-in for the third. Just out of instinct and reaction time. Maybe they wouldn't have saved it, maybe it was unsaveable, but I think that a keeper with good reactions/footwork who lives on his toes would have got across to at least get damn close to it.
Having said all of that, he had a superb first half. |
Yes good explanation can see now first was impacted by back header…but second no real excuses | | | |
| Walsh v Nardi on 08:51 - Aug 14 with 675 views | EuroRanger |
| Walsh v Nardi on 14:14 - Aug 13 by Benny_the_Ball |
That's a bit unfair. You have to give the opposition credit for good deliveries and also take into account that Nardi had a team of kids in front of him. Nardi made some very good saves to keep the scoreline respectable. I've no problem with the club promoting Walsh but Nardi deserves a little more respect and I hope he gets a move during this transfer window. That would be a win-win all round. |
Yeah - I also think a few hundred thousand and the wages off our books might help us with a CM or LB signing.
No shade to Nardi at all - I thought he was fantastic for us last season and a big factor in us staying up so comfortably, but the club seem to be committing to Walsh so it's time to move on. He should get a chance to be a no.1 elsewhere. | | | |
| Walsh v Nardi on 09:50 - Aug 14 with 600 views | terryb |
| Walsh v Nardi on 17:53 - Aug 13 by simmo |
As above, I think we saw the best and worst of Nardi last night. He hates coming off his line and it's an issue, but made some incredible saves 1st half - even the penalty was a good save rather than a bad penalty.
I'm inclined to swallow the short term pain of Walsh with the hope he becomes a better keeper, he's very young for the position after all and he won't ever be something sitting on the bench all year. I still think if we were making this decision that we should have loaned him first, but I guess they saw enough to believe he was capable now.
I think we can help him though by not making him play out so much - hopefully Frey back and Kone as more of a target man will give more licence for long kicks - and putting a settled back 4 in front of him. |
And our problem as to who should be our 'keeper is laid out by simmo.
If Walsh had been in goal I have doubts that we would have led 2-0 at half time, but I also doubt that we would have conceded those three goals with him in goal.
I think Nardi is the better shot saver & Walsh the better at controlling the penalty area. Selection depends on which you think is the most desirable. | | | |
| Walsh v Nardi on 17:52 - Aug 14 with 418 views | gazza1 |
I am not in thev country and cannot see the highlights of the match.....can someone please post them. | | | |
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