| Insulting or Inspiring? 22:06 - Aug 12 with 4461 views | Lblock |
So we’re saying Celar, Chair, Madsen, Cook, Morrison, Field, Mbuegne couldn’t even manage a few minutes or to travel and help this crèche out?
It’s an absolute and utter stain on the clubs history for me.
You’ve got 16 and 17 year olds coming on for 10 mins.
It will have cost certain people £150 plus half a days work to attend that tonight.
For me the squad tonight is an absolute insult.
I know others will say it’s great the kids got their chance but come on.
The team sheet should be an embarrassment to the club, the fitness department and of concern to the short term future of the club.
If that’s what we have in reserve then Nourry Nursery is only heading in one direction |  |
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| Insulting or Inspiring? on 22:28 - Aug 12 with 3030 views | bosh67 |
The problem is had they held on to win we would probably be sitting here writing about how good some of the kids were but it was men against boys, quite literally, and as such, pretty unfair on the paying, travelling supporters. |  |
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| Insulting or Inspiring? on 22:29 - Aug 12 with 2992 views | loftus77 |
Absolutely. Look, really well done to the young players and emerging pros tonight - they gave it a good go and will have learnt loads I'm sure.
But, particularly in terms of Zan Celar and Nicholas Madsen - both it seems to me are actually skillful uninjured confidence players who are under the cosh from many sides atm - tonight could have been a free hit for them to (maybe) have got us over the line with a very useful win, for them, the club and the fanbase. I just don't get it - or maybe I do but I just don't want to.... |  | | |
| Insulting or Inspiring? on 22:31 - Aug 12 with 2920 views | JamesB1979 |
Well on the youngsters who played, it’s difficult to make assessments on just this game. But there were some that looked like they’d be fine at this level and some who look far off it. Problem is when you put them all in 1 team with little practice, it’s going to be very difficult.
I was surprised Cook didn’t start as he would have brought some much needed experience. | | | |
| Insulting or Inspiring? on 22:34 - Aug 12 with 2876 views | HAYESBOY |
Overall its insulting. Don't mind starting some youngsters but take some experience as well. |  |
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| Insulting or Inspiring? on 22:36 - Aug 12 with 2836 views | A40Bosh |
The one major thing the club really fccked up this week is to not openly (and not indirectly) tell the fan base that the club would be represented by the Development Squad in the cup on Tuesday.
If CN wants to get all Elon Musk and come in and start throwing his weight around and mixing things up and Hoos and the board let him get away with his playing Emperor then that is up to them but ensure tickets and travel are laid on by the club at the outset - otherwise it is a total pisstake of a ridiculously loyal fan base. If we were at home - fair enough we would have all stumped up a tenner tonight and had a grumble but Jesus, Plymouth away of a Tuesday is not on. |  |
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| Insulting or Inspiring? on 22:43 - Aug 12 with 2751 views | ozexile |
I'm insulted as a fan and I'd be insulted as a senior player. Sitting on my behind while the club I represent does that. Some of these new players allegedly chose us over other clubs. I wonder if we told them at the interview that we actively try to lose football matches and harm their careers. | | | |
| Insulting or Inspiring? on 22:45 - Aug 12 with 2710 views | loftupper |
Seen us lose by more with more experienced pro’s out there than tonight. Maybe the balance was wrong as we played the second half with no pace upfront. | | | |
| Insulting or Inspiring? on 22:46 - Aug 12 with 2691 views | BushRanger82 |
After 20 years or more, of us treating the cup competions so abysmally, I'm not angry anymore, just embarrassed and ashamed of QPR FC.
A club without honour, that's what we are now. |  | | |
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| Insulting or Inspiring? on 22:47 - Aug 12 with 2678 views | OldPedro |
The team picked was a disgrace for the club. How can they spin this? If we couldn't risk any 1st team players because of injuries, you have to ask why have we got so many injuries when we've played 1 league game.
I know the youngsters only lost 3-2 but the other stats reflect the way the game really was:
Plymouth had 69% possession, 30 shots, 10 on target; 43 touches in our box (we had 7 in theirs), 15 corners, their keeper made 2 saves to Nardi's 7 and we also conceeded 17 fouls to their 8.
I don't blame any of the QPR players who played, but as a club that is an utter disgrace. |  |
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| Insulting or Inspiring? on 22:52 - Aug 12 with 2579 views | BrazilNutR |
The scoreline flatters us really.. could have been 5-0 on another day.
All for giving youngsters time, but should be giving them the right environment with some experienced players around. Even had we had some wise heads sat on the bench,.. when we concede the first goal, we could have chopped it up to try and get over the line. Once Burrell went off we never looked like scoring... he was the main positive for me and we really missed him after half time.. hope he is not injured as well now!
Thoroughly disspointed, and now we don't have another game to try and give a few youngsters some more minutes.
If we go on and win at the weekend then fair enough, but seems like the plan failed badly at the moment.. a long journey back for those youngsters |  | | |
| Insulting or Inspiring? on 22:58 - Aug 12 with 2494 views | HammersmithR |
Tonight was an utter embarrassment by the club. Chucking around debuts as if they are confetti. You need to earn the right to play first team football. I felt for these kids. They did ok but in reality that should have been about 10-3 that game. We need to breed a winning culture at the club. Another year goes by where we treat the cup with a lack of respect because Nourry wants to play his little babies. They need loan experience. Build a squad that can compete. I really feel for those fans who have stumped up all that money to watch that rubbish and the ‘Nourry experiment’. | | | |
| Insulting or Inspiring? on 22:59 - Aug 12 with 2478 views | davman |
| Insulting or Inspiring? on 22:28 - Aug 12 by bosh67 |
The problem is had they held on to win we would probably be sitting here writing about how good some of the kids were but it was men against boys, quite literally, and as such, pretty unfair on the paying, travelling supporters. |
Even if they had held on, it was daylight robbery that we were two nil up in that game. It was men against boys (funnily enough). "Plaudits" for fielding QPR's youngest team ever? FCKOFF,
All been said on the board playing an exclusively young team does no-one any favours whatsoever. They will not be playing together in a league game and will have some experience with them if they ever graduate to the first team.
The fans have a wasted trip.
The management learns absolutely nothing.
The first teamers actually "fit" (and there's a laugh) to play couldn't even get MATCH PRACTICE, which we're constantly told that there is no substitute for.
Those that played were up against it in a team like that. Nardi must feel well and truly arse reamed after that - not only are you dropped for a barely better kid, but you are handed the captain's arm band and made to babysit that creche. He showcased what he was all about today - great distribution (Joe Walsh, take note - Paul did not kick a free kick straight into touch tonight), great shot stopping and an abject fear of crosses sticking to his line (second goal all on him). Vale much the same. Is he our left back now?
Some good appearances from the boys - I saw Wilkie at Winchester and he was impressive then as he was tonight; Putman grew into the game at right back (but he is hardly a like for like with our First Team Right Back, is he?), Smith looked fine.
...and some not so good - Talla looked lost, which he always has when he is anywhere near the first team.
...and where tf did Dixon-Bonner spring from? Minimal pre-season minutes, on trial elsewhere, nowhere near our bench despite the early season injury "crisis" (85% availability my arse) and then a first team game alongside the kids.
Typical clown show from teh clown club that we have become.
...and to think that this is the one major trophy we have ever and are ever likely to win.
Utter disrespect.
Can we be fined for playing such an under strength team? |  |
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| Insulting or Inspiring? on 23:02 - Aug 12 with 2411 views | loftus77 |
| Insulting or Inspiring? on 22:59 - Aug 12 by davman |
Even if they had held on, it was daylight robbery that we were two nil up in that game. It was men against boys (funnily enough). "Plaudits" for fielding QPR's youngest team ever? FCKOFF,
All been said on the board playing an exclusively young team does no-one any favours whatsoever. They will not be playing together in a league game and will have some experience with them if they ever graduate to the first team.
The fans have a wasted trip.
The management learns absolutely nothing.
The first teamers actually "fit" (and there's a laugh) to play couldn't even get MATCH PRACTICE, which we're constantly told that there is no substitute for.
Those that played were up against it in a team like that. Nardi must feel well and truly arse reamed after that - not only are you dropped for a barely better kid, but you are handed the captain's arm band and made to babysit that creche. He showcased what he was all about today - great distribution (Joe Walsh, take note - Paul did not kick a free kick straight into touch tonight), great shot stopping and an abject fear of crosses sticking to his line (second goal all on him). Vale much the same. Is he our left back now?
Some good appearances from the boys - I saw Wilkie at Winchester and he was impressive then as he was tonight; Putman grew into the game at right back (but he is hardly a like for like with our First Team Right Back, is he?), Smith looked fine.
...and some not so good - Talla looked lost, which he always has when he is anywhere near the first team.
...and where tf did Dixon-Bonner spring from? Minimal pre-season minutes, on trial elsewhere, nowhere near our bench despite the early season injury "crisis" (85% availability my arse) and then a first team game alongside the kids.
Typical clown show from teh clown club that we have become.
...and to think that this is the one major trophy we have ever and are ever likely to win.
Utter disrespect.
Can we be fined for playing such an under strength team? |
I wondered this - are we/Nourry sure we haven't broken EFL rules somewhere in this?Nothing would surprise me. | | | |
| Insulting or Inspiring? on 23:08 - Aug 12 with 2303 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Insulting or Inspiring? on 23:02 - Aug 12 by loftus77 |
I wondered this - are we/Nourry sure we haven't broken EFL rules somewhere in this?Nothing would surprise me. |
The EFL stewarding selection standards in their own competition - that's a joke! |  |
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| Insulting or Inspiring? on 23:08 - Aug 12 with 2330 views | vanrrrr |
As for the game itself: a bit of both i think
If we are going to pitch ourselves to prospective top end youngsters as a club who is the right one to join over bigger clubs , where they get chances to play and progress ,we gotta walk the walk
But a few old heads in that line up , especially in the second half would have helped talk them through it which would have likely been a better experience for them.
100% an insult to those who paid all that to go though. That is very poor and in some way should be recompensed. [Post edited 12 Aug 23:14]
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| Insulting or Inspiring? on 23:10 - Aug 12 with 2308 views | JamesB1979 |
| Insulting or Inspiring? on 23:02 - Aug 12 by loftus77 |
I wondered this - are we/Nourry sure we haven't broken EFL rules somewhere in this?Nothing would surprise me. |
I think you can’t do it in a league game because you are impacting other sides. In the cup, we’re just impacting ourselves. | | | |
| Insulting or Inspiring? on 23:30 - Aug 12 with 2185 views | numptydumpty |
Just have experience on the bench
I do not want to hear it's about loading as it's only the second game of the season and we are at risk of injuring our first team players in a three game week. BS !!!
Any fricking game you could get injured or not...
Agree players like Celar, Madsen, Cook, could have had a confidence boost and players such as Adamson, Akindileni, Esqueridinha, we could have had these as a strong bench. Maybe Field also.
But instead chasing the game, we put on two 16 year olds. Nothing against either lad of course but we are 3 - 2 down. That's like saying we dont want to win this game.
Yes those two boys have got onto the first team pitch but if they develop they would get many more opportunities couple of years down the line.
I dont think either will gain anything from having made an appearance for the first team for a few minutes.
If, at the next forum Christian Nourry says we blooded our second and third youngest ever players at first team level, showing there is opportunities for anyone - if he says that - answers on a postcard please !!!! |  |
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| Insulting or Inspiring? on 23:33 - Aug 12 with 2155 views | davman |
Playing games is the best for fitness. We get told that again and again,
So why leave the first team, full of people blowing out of their a**es collectively after 60 minutes on Saturday at home?
ARRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!! | |
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| Insulting or Inspiring? on 23:41 - Aug 12 with 2110 views | joolsyp |
| Insulting or Inspiring? on 22:47 - Aug 12 by OldPedro |
The team picked was a disgrace for the club. How can they spin this? If we couldn't risk any 1st team players because of injuries, you have to ask why have we got so many injuries when we've played 1 league game.
I know the youngsters only lost 3-2 but the other stats reflect the way the game really was:
Plymouth had 69% possession, 30 shots, 10 on target; 43 touches in our box (we had 7 in theirs), 15 corners, their keeper made 2 saves to Nardi's 7 and we also conceeded 17 fouls to their 8.
I don't blame any of the QPR players who played, but as a club that is an utter disgrace. |
Nailed it. We looked under-cooked second-half on Saturday and that's down to Nourry and Williams. Preston way fitter and stronger than us second half. How many weeks pre-season do they get to sort that out? I sincerely hope these new players we are getting in hit the ground running, don't immediately get injured and can last 90 minutes, otherwise attention will start to focus on Ben "here are your favourite players" Williams. Patience is wearing thin and my god does this fanbase deserve some success. |  | | |
| Insulting or Inspiring? on 00:22 - Aug 13 with 1964 views | Hooparoo |
How the hell can professional athletes not manage to play 3 games in a week? When I ran marathons in my 30s, we clocked up over 120ks a week. I often played 3 games of football on weekends to help other other teams at our club who were short of players. Surely we have half a dozen first team players who can manage 3 games a week. We didn’t even have reinforcements on the bench. Ridiculous. |  |
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| Insulting or Inspiring? on 00:53 - Aug 13 with 1877 views | loftupper |
| Insulting or Inspiring? on 00:22 - Aug 13 by Hooparoo |
How the hell can professional athletes not manage to play 3 games in a week? When I ran marathons in my 30s, we clocked up over 120ks a week. I often played 3 games of football on weekends to help other other teams at our club who were short of players. Surely we have half a dozen first team players who can manage 3 games a week. We didn’t even have reinforcements on the bench. Ridiculous. |
Out of interest what kind of speed were you running those marathons at? Big difference between running 26 miles in 3 to 3.5 hours compared to plodding round in 4 to 4.5 hours. I just think it’s been fairly well proven that most footballers struggle playing three games a week in the modern game which is why the clubs with more means and bigger squads fair better at it. | | | |
| Insulting or Inspiring? on 01:09 - Aug 13 with 1802 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Insulting or Inspiring? on 23:10 - Aug 12 by JamesB1979 |
I think you can’t do it in a league game because you are impacting other sides. In the cup, we’re just impacting ourselves. |
What a bizarre argument! You're ripping off fans, other clubs, and the competitions in both cases. Obviously. | |
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| Insulting or Inspiring? on 01:12 - Aug 13 with 1791 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Insulting or Inspiring? on 23:41 - Aug 12 by joolsyp |
Nailed it. We looked under-cooked second-half on Saturday and that's down to Nourry and Williams. Preston way fitter and stronger than us second half. How many weeks pre-season do they get to sort that out? I sincerely hope these new players we are getting in hit the ground running, don't immediately get injured and can last 90 minutes, otherwise attention will start to focus on Ben "here are your favourite players" Williams. Patience is wearing thin and my god does this fanbase deserve some success. |
It's not down to Nourry, ffs - it's Williams, and the manager/coaching staff. There's something seriously amiss at the club when it comes to pre-season training and 'loading'. | |
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| Insulting or Inspiring? on 01:15 - Aug 13 with 1777 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Insulting or Inspiring? on 00:53 - Aug 13 by loftupper |
Out of interest what kind of speed were you running those marathons at? Big difference between running 26 miles in 3 to 3.5 hours compared to plodding round in 4 to 4.5 hours. I just think it’s been fairly well proven that most footballers struggle playing three games a week in the modern game which is why the clubs with more means and bigger squads fair better at it. |
No it hasn't! It's much more the case that professional expectations have been dialled down, and too many fans have gullibly sucked it up. As I've repeatedly pointed out, players in the 70s, for example, played as many, if not more, much more physically arduous games on often shitty pitches, without any kind of 'rotation'. Modern players are incredibly over-protected, which is why the likes of living-stealers like Taylor Richards are becoming more and more commonplace.
Read Pat Nevin's biography to learn about how a real professional operated at the peak of his profession (who sometimes played games on consecutive days) and how passionately fit he was. Too many modern players are fakers, and there's an increading number of people (including some writers) who prop them up with their own facile apologetics. [Post edited 13 Aug 1:20]
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| Insulting or Inspiring? on 04:00 - Aug 13 with 1576 views | VancouverHoop |
As I've repeatedly pointed out, players in the 70s, for example, played as many, if not more, much more physically arduous games on often shitty pitches, without any kind of 'rotation'.
In most professional sports players in the 70s operated on a different scale of fitness to those today. Like racehorses professional athletes nowadays are a different kind of physical animal from their predecessors. For example their body-fat index is far lower, which adds speed and dexterity at the cost of fragility. Which in turn leads to more injuries and, not infrequently, shorter careers. This, in turn, necessitates larger squads for their employers and greater turnover. | | | |
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