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We keep hearing the word ‘project’. What exactly is the project? Is is simply to play Nourry’s players that his computer has identified. Younger the better? And this is irrespective of how the actual team performs? If this is the case, then the fans will lose patience very quickly. Football is a results business. No one has explained the definition of Nourry’s project. Really struggling to warm to the guy. It’s like he’s using the club for his version of Football Manager. Stephan is clearly being told by above what to do and who should play.
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The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 00:48 - Aug 16 with 1294 views
The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 23:17 - Aug 15 by stainrods_elbow
Albeit not a site where's one is allowed to constructively criticise neophyte writers (on pain of having one's account revoked) - and on the basis that's the only way any writer improves.
Just saying, for the record.
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Tbf you're criticised all the time and there's been no improvement.
Just saying.
ask Beavis I get nothing Butthead
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The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 01:47 - Aug 16 with 1236 views
Well, I'm a CN fan, though I was very critical of the way the team was completely unbalanced last season. But mistakes will be made and no, I don't expect them to admit it, just as I never expect it from the board in my job.
As my comment of calling out the 'old fart brigade' is being used frequently I think it only fair I explain why I used it.
I am part of the old demographic, supported the club for 40 odd years so I'm not some 20yo loving a 'baller' signing either.
Everything changes and you either change and evolve with or you become irrelevant, that's a business basic. QPR was being run poorly. We are now an irrelevance, not just in the wider football world, but in West London that we ruled when I was a kid. We have been dog shyte for years. No one can argue against that. What I just can't get my head around is that we have a young guy who has come in and ripped it all up and some are coming across as being genuinely upset and angry. He is saying 'this club is shyte, we're changing how we do things.' We've all been moaning for years how rubbish its been! What is genuinely wrong with that? Because he comes across a bit weird? Doesn't let the manager do interviews with fans? Won't apologise for making a mistake?
The younger demographic doesn't care for the things we do. Do they want another away day, at bloody Preston or go to Old Trafford? Do they care we lost to Plymouth if it meant resting our players, nope, and neither did I. I like what is happening to our club. Could it go horribly wrong? Yes, but at least we are trying something different, trying to change the narrative. And I think that has scared some older fans and put noses out of joint.
I'll be there Saturday, and we'll probably lose though.
As a supporter how can you say you genuinely didn't care that we lost at Plymouth? We play in 3 competitions and we just toss one away, for what? So that our stars on thousands a week can put there feet up after just having 3 months off? We pay supposed fitness coaches thousands and our players can't do midweek games? And before you counter me and say "It's about the bigger picture". I remember Fernandes saying that years ago when we tossed off the FA Cup. So forgive my cynicism when the next guy comes along and tells me it's all about the future and to be patient. And I get that different fans don't share my point of view. If some fans get excited about losing a game but our XG was fantastic then good for them I prefer to see us win actual football matches and for the last few seasons we've hardly done that. Even Sheff Wednesday who's players haven't been paid for months, have a win on the board. And there's us here having discussions about how bright the future is going to be . And we've played 2 for 0 wins.
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The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 06:13 - Aug 16 with 1114 views
The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 13:58 - Aug 15 by QPRSam
Well it was only in page 2 of this thread you were accused of working for the club! I was accused of being a Ben Williams fanboy and "one of those sent by CN" in another because I felt positively post fans forum (whatever that means, I'll definitely be heading to Watford tomorrow looking forward to seeing Ben Williams!)
Oh what it is to be a slight optimist
Well that's exactly it. All the attempts to place anyone who doesn't loathe him into a camp of Nourry-lover, Nourrista, blind to his faults, must work for the club. believe this or that and most ridiculous of all liking him because he wears expensive suits. Quite honestly I think ithe latter is one of the silliest things I've read on here, and that's saying something! And I'm not including posters like Clive, Brian or Simmo in this as they are showing nuance and balance.
You're right mine comes also from a place of trying to find some optimism and positives and I've also been guilty of being naive at times in the past in my desire to see things work out ffor once and I accept that I might be overly positive. But I also feel that some others are framing everything in unnecessarily negative terms and acting as if there haven't been some positive changes and anything good was always like that and anything bad never happened previously under previous CEOs/DoF when I don't think that's true.
I have a fear as much as someone might see mine as toxic positivity that too much negativity might affect our progress. For example we're bound to have a bad patch like we did last season. I genuinely think that because our fans got behind the manager/players that helped turn things round. I'm worried that might not happen this season.
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The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 07:03 - Aug 16 with 1070 views
The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 22:53 - Aug 15 by wombat
Hello Sam had a feeling it would be you or James replying , from reading the pro nourry stuff it seems for the. He is bullett proof in what he does and dosnt do . Who’s fixated in splitting the fans up not me , I’ve used a few examples on it happening in the past and can see signs esp recently it’s being done again , similar posts from new acts basically saying the same thing but slightly differently each time . As I’ve said it’s good we are looking at players finally lie, poku kone egc but the neglect to mix them in with slightly older less saleable heads is the issue , as I’ve mentioned before it’s ok goi g shopping looking at pretty little ball players who might make us some money , hopefully in the future , but un,ess they are interested inot a semi successful side it’s unlikely they won’t succeed and show any high worth potential ,is that a good project or is it a slightly half arsed attempt at trying something that you have jotted down on the back of a beer mat , this game of the season still no sign of a starting left back by the way .
Lucky enough I suppose to have seen pretty much every attempt to reinvent the club in various guises , and all these years little with a small period of success in the early 80 this is where are now , hovering around lower to mid table in the championship yet again,
If and it’s. Huge if we was to get promoted I’d happily admit I’m wrong and not add all about football since I stopped playing g football manager all those years ago , with the p,Ayers. Ought in kone poku Burrell are good additions but with a disjointed squad holing them back yet again , I’m expecting a struggle , not negative not anti nourry just seeing what it’s in front of us and coming to that conclusion based on all of the above, looking forward to your or James usual reply
But this is what gets my goat. Why does everything have to be black and white. What you call pro Nourry stuff is often just a balance from what seems a crazy amount of criticism and negativity on every thread. It's not just restricted to one or two threads. Which just seems too much to me if you look at our squad at the beginning of the season two seasons ago and our manager I just can't help but see an improvement. I also understand some of the behind the scenes concerns. My issue is the lack of balance.
I agree we need a balance of youth and experience and we haven't got that right yet. I wouldn't call Mbengue a pretty little ball player though or even Poku or Kone. Last season we got that wrong but in fairness he's learnt from that which is all you can ask really.
I don't think promotion is on the cards this season. Becoming more financially sustainable in the longer term, bringing on young players, being a more exciting watch while being mid-table or above would be a measure of success in my view for this season.
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The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 07:24 - Aug 16 with 1038 views
The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 07:03 - Aug 16 by nix
But this is what gets my goat. Why does everything have to be black and white. What you call pro Nourry stuff is often just a balance from what seems a crazy amount of criticism and negativity on every thread. It's not just restricted to one or two threads. Which just seems too much to me if you look at our squad at the beginning of the season two seasons ago and our manager I just can't help but see an improvement. I also understand some of the behind the scenes concerns. My issue is the lack of balance.
I agree we need a balance of youth and experience and we haven't got that right yet. I wouldn't call Mbengue a pretty little ball player though or even Poku or Kone. Last season we got that wrong but in fairness he's learnt from that which is all you can ask really.
I don't think promotion is on the cards this season. Becoming more financially sustainable in the longer term, bringing on young players, being a more exciting watch while being mid-table or above would be a measure of success in my view for this season.
Agreed. I'm not sold on Nourry but I like some of the moves he's made, yet on this forum I find myself trying to be more positive because the tone can be so negative. I really like Clive's columns because I feel like they strike a good balance between asking questions and supporting the good stuff (it's what brought me here) but the forum can be so damn negative sometimes.
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The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 07:49 - Aug 16 with 993 views
The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 01:47 - Aug 16 by ozexile
As a supporter how can you say you genuinely didn't care that we lost at Plymouth? We play in 3 competitions and we just toss one away, for what? So that our stars on thousands a week can put there feet up after just having 3 months off? We pay supposed fitness coaches thousands and our players can't do midweek games? And before you counter me and say "It's about the bigger picture". I remember Fernandes saying that years ago when we tossed off the FA Cup. So forgive my cynicism when the next guy comes along and tells me it's all about the future and to be patient. And I get that different fans don't share my point of view. If some fans get excited about losing a game but our XG was fantastic then good for them I prefer to see us win actual football matches and for the last few seasons we've hardly done that. Even Sheff Wednesday who's players haven't been paid for months, have a win on the board. And there's us here having discussions about how bright the future is going to be . And we've played 2 for 0 wins.
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Totally agree. This thread and board gets accused of being overly negative. I'd say it was more wary than negative. Everyone's excited about Kone, Burrell, Poku. All I am saying is that I've been excited about Mutch, Cousins, Caulker, Samba, Dykes, Bonne in just the same way. Even Celar and his YouTube videos. I'm not going to come on here and declare we've made great signings and are #cooking until I've seen how they do for six months. That doesn't mean I will react with great glee if it goes wrong. Why would I do that?
I may be a long-standing QPR fan but I am not a massive football fan. I don't care much for tactics or even understand them really. The only bit I skim on this site is Greg's no doubt excellent analysis of players. I don't have any feel for it. All I ever care about is QPR winning and QPR doing well. It's why I get so upset when we throw away cup match after cup match and why I can't agree with people being so pleased with "how it's going". I just don't feel the same way until we start winning games, rising up the league, having a cup run. That's what matters to me. I don't care about selling players at a profit. How do we know what that profit is going to do for us in the long run? It's like resting players for the cup - I never see any of these benefits or "good reasons" I am told about coming to fruition. We rested at Leicester, nearly sold Jimmy Dunne the next week, then Marti ends up managing them. What's the benefit of all this stuff? I've heard all this long-term stuff before. I'm not stupid, of course it makes sense. But we've heard it before, done it before and it's been abandoned or forgotten about. I loved seeing Eze play for us, I didn't jump up and down and celebrate the £18m sale.
I want tangible results, things that mean I travel home at 5pm on a Saturday from a match with 3 points in the boot and a hat-trick from Kone. Then I will be posting on here with an optimistic and joyous outlook.
But for now? Nothing has happened yet, we've looked pretty poor in the 180 minutes we've played and have gone out of one of the three competitions we enter. So what am I meant to be congratulating?
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The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:53 - Aug 16 with 866 views
Well we‘ve had a season and a half of the current regime, which is no time in the grand scheme of things, especially if you’re been a supporter for decades.
Some very strident views on this thread, which people are of course entitled to, but we’re not 2 league games into this season. Let’s all see how this is going, say, after the October international break.
Personally, I thought the decisions on Tuesday were wrong, whoever made them. I called it contempt of fans on another thread. It’s not the first time I’ve noticed this with Nourry.
Maybe it’s just the callow arrogance of youth, but I’ve met enough posh-boy chancers in my time to worry.
For the time being I’m giving him the benefit of doubt,but we’ll see.
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The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:56 - Aug 16 with 839 views
The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 07:03 - Aug 16 by nix
But this is what gets my goat. Why does everything have to be black and white. What you call pro Nourry stuff is often just a balance from what seems a crazy amount of criticism and negativity on every thread. It's not just restricted to one or two threads. Which just seems too much to me if you look at our squad at the beginning of the season two seasons ago and our manager I just can't help but see an improvement. I also understand some of the behind the scenes concerns. My issue is the lack of balance.
I agree we need a balance of youth and experience and we haven't got that right yet. I wouldn't call Mbengue a pretty little ball player though or even Poku or Kone. Last season we got that wrong but in fairness he's learnt from that which is all you can ask really.
I don't think promotion is on the cards this season. Becoming more financially sustainable in the longer term, bringing on young players, being a more exciting watch while being mid-table or above would be a measure of success in my view for this season.
The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 07:49 - Aug 16 by GaryBannister86
Totally agree. This thread and board gets accused of being overly negative. I'd say it was more wary than negative. Everyone's excited about Kone, Burrell, Poku. All I am saying is that I've been excited about Mutch, Cousins, Caulker, Samba, Dykes, Bonne in just the same way. Even Celar and his YouTube videos. I'm not going to come on here and declare we've made great signings and are #cooking until I've seen how they do for six months. That doesn't mean I will react with great glee if it goes wrong. Why would I do that?
I may be a long-standing QPR fan but I am not a massive football fan. I don't care much for tactics or even understand them really. The only bit I skim on this site is Greg's no doubt excellent analysis of players. I don't have any feel for it. All I ever care about is QPR winning and QPR doing well. It's why I get so upset when we throw away cup match after cup match and why I can't agree with people being so pleased with "how it's going". I just don't feel the same way until we start winning games, rising up the league, having a cup run. That's what matters to me. I don't care about selling players at a profit. How do we know what that profit is going to do for us in the long run? It's like resting players for the cup - I never see any of these benefits or "good reasons" I am told about coming to fruition. We rested at Leicester, nearly sold Jimmy Dunne the next week, then Marti ends up managing them. What's the benefit of all this stuff? I've heard all this long-term stuff before. I'm not stupid, of course it makes sense. But we've heard it before, done it before and it's been abandoned or forgotten about. I loved seeing Eze play for us, I didn't jump up and down and celebrate the £18m sale.
I want tangible results, things that mean I travel home at 5pm on a Saturday from a match with 3 points in the boot and a hat-trick from Kone. Then I will be posting on here with an optimistic and joyous outlook.
But for now? Nothing has happened yet, we've looked pretty poor in the 180 minutes we've played and have gone out of one of the three competitions we enter. So what am I meant to be congratulating?
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We all want the same thing GB86, but how do we get there?
We have all watched in dismay as Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton, amongst others, have rode off into the promised land, developing great players and teams, whilst we have imploded, largely through piss poor management of the club and its resources and a dizzying array of different managers with different ideas and philosophies.
The last ten years has been horrendous and something fundamental needs to change. We are a small club, with a dilapidated outdated stadium and very little cash. So how do we do what those above have done?
The new training facility was a good start and kudos to the club and its owners for getting it done.
Very simplistically, the clubs above have progressed by recruiting well and developing players to sell for big money. The only way to progress is to generate more revenue. Lots of it. Regularly.
Most clubs now realise this is the only possible way forward (Wrexham being an outlier). But you need to plan and execute with extreme diligence and foresight.
There is some evidence to suggest that we have taken some positive tentative steps in the right direction. No one is trying to say that Nourry is the messiah and has saved us from eternal doom. It could turn to shit tomorrow, but some supporters, the glass half full type, try to see the positives in what the club is trying to do, despite all the obvious mistakes and ropey comms output.
All we can really do is sit tight, hope the new boys excel and we keep making slow but very deliberate progress.
Christ, I hope we win today.
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The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 10:11 - Aug 16 with 777 views
The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:57 - Aug 16 by Burnleyhoop
We all want the same thing GB86, but how do we get there?
We have all watched in dismay as Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton, amongst others, have rode off into the promised land, developing great players and teams, whilst we have imploded, largely through piss poor management of the club and its resources and a dizzying array of different managers with different ideas and philosophies.
The last ten years has been horrendous and something fundamental needs to change. We are a small club, with a dilapidated outdated stadium and very little cash. So how do we do what those above have done?
The new training facility was a good start and kudos to the club and its owners for getting it done.
Very simplistically, the clubs above have progressed by recruiting well and developing players to sell for big money. The only way to progress is to generate more revenue. Lots of it. Regularly.
Most clubs now realise this is the only possible way forward (Wrexham being an outlier). But you need to plan and execute with extreme diligence and foresight.
There is some evidence to suggest that we have taken some positive tentative steps in the right direction. No one is trying to say that Nourry is the messiah and has saved us from eternal doom. It could turn to shit tomorrow, but some supporters, the glass half full type, try to see the positives in what the club is trying to do, despite all the obvious mistakes and ropey comms output.
All we can really do is sit tight, hope the new boys excel and we keep making slow but very deliberate progress.
Christ, I hope we win today.
Totally fair. Completely understand. I don't think everyone's views are quite as entrenched as we fear. The doom mongers don't want things to go wrong, they just fear they will. The optimists don't know for certain things are going to go right, but there are some green shoots. I think it all depends how much supporting this club has chipped off you!
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The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 10:33 - Aug 16 with 717 views
The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 10:11 - Aug 16 by GaryBannister86
Totally fair. Completely understand. I don't think everyone's views are quite as entrenched as we fear. The doom mongers don't want things to go wrong, they just fear they will. The optimists don't know for certain things are going to go right, but there are some green shoots. I think it all depends how much supporting this club has chipped off you!
Agree with you entirely. Our fans have had to put up with an absolute shit show for long enough and have been left with no faith or belief in the club or its ownership. I feel the same.
To then put your faith in a 27 year old (apparently good looking and wearing an expensive suit) with a somewhat dubious background is a big ask. Sounds implausible.
He’s been here just over a year, pissed Clive off no end (big mistake), and dropped plenty of howlers along the way.
But, he appears to be learning from those mistakes, especially with the recruitment this year and it “feels” like something might be brewing. Chair, Dunne and others have extended. Sort the bleedin’ injury issues out and I am starting to get hopeful. 😬
It’s miserable being angry and disappointed, we need some joy from our football club.
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The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 10:50 - Aug 16 with 650 views
The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 07:49 - Aug 16 by GaryBannister86
Totally agree. This thread and board gets accused of being overly negative. I'd say it was more wary than negative. Everyone's excited about Kone, Burrell, Poku. All I am saying is that I've been excited about Mutch, Cousins, Caulker, Samba, Dykes, Bonne in just the same way. Even Celar and his YouTube videos. I'm not going to come on here and declare we've made great signings and are #cooking until I've seen how they do for six months. That doesn't mean I will react with great glee if it goes wrong. Why would I do that?
I may be a long-standing QPR fan but I am not a massive football fan. I don't care much for tactics or even understand them really. The only bit I skim on this site is Greg's no doubt excellent analysis of players. I don't have any feel for it. All I ever care about is QPR winning and QPR doing well. It's why I get so upset when we throw away cup match after cup match and why I can't agree with people being so pleased with "how it's going". I just don't feel the same way until we start winning games, rising up the league, having a cup run. That's what matters to me. I don't care about selling players at a profit. How do we know what that profit is going to do for us in the long run? It's like resting players for the cup - I never see any of these benefits or "good reasons" I am told about coming to fruition. We rested at Leicester, nearly sold Jimmy Dunne the next week, then Marti ends up managing them. What's the benefit of all this stuff? I've heard all this long-term stuff before. I'm not stupid, of course it makes sense. But we've heard it before, done it before and it's been abandoned or forgotten about. I loved seeing Eze play for us, I didn't jump up and down and celebrate the £18m sale.
I want tangible results, things that mean I travel home at 5pm on a Saturday from a match with 3 points in the boot and a hat-trick from Kone. Then I will be posting on here with an optimistic and joyous outlook.
But for now? Nothing has happened yet, we've looked pretty poor in the 180 minutes we've played and have gone out of one of the three competitions we enter. So what am I meant to be congratulating?
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Absolutely brilliant post .
I am cautiously excited about the new signings . Mbengue has already impressed me. But the way he plays, he will make mistakes in games for sure . But I like him already . But as you say , I was excited about Caulker, Mbia, Mutch, Dykes, Gladwin, Johansen , Washington…we could go on and on and on. It doesn’t mean these new players will be the same . It’s just I’m always amazed at how ‘everyday’ fans know so much about players from lower leagues or foreign climes and claim ‘amazing signings’ etc . A few do of course , but most are just guessing , and seeing that there is very little (a little ) experience of this level or of this division I’m not sure why we should all be backslapping ….yet. If they are a success then the club will get the praise it deserves from me and 99% of others.
So, to be constantly called negative is slightly unfair just because others choose to see it differently. I am in a very slightly privileged position. I get to hear (and see very occasionally) things that make me worry about how OUR football club is being run and what info the fans get fed. I also hear about a lot of good things too for balance . But at times, what we are fed and what goes on contrast , in some cases quite substantially.
But to echo what Mr Bannister said , it tires me to get into the nitty gritty of what the ‘club’ are up to . I’m a QPR football fan ! If we win on a Saturday and climb the table I’m as happy as Larry . Tactics and player profiles and stats really don’t interest me , which if I’m being honest might be a part of why I push back on the new people working inside our club in certain ways.
Lastly , the ‘division of fans’ has happened before and for some , the club are doing it again. There is no doubt that people have been planted on this forum and elsewhere it seems , to be cheerleaders . That causes severe divide in its own in so many ways .
If that doesn’t worry you just slightly then I’m not sure what will really ? Admittedly , what we can do about it really is another matter.
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The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 11:21 - Aug 16 with 575 views
All I am saying is that I've been excited about Mutch, Cousins, Caulker, Samba, Dykes, Bonne in just the same way
Were you excited when you actually saw them play though? Cos I remember being very underwhelmed by Mutch, Cousins and Bonne and barely remember Caulker and Samba playing. Dykes I liked for his endeavour but he was never the real deal either. I was genuinely excited by watching Mbengue,Burrell and Poku. May not be the finished product yet but can see potential. Also with Liam Morrison, Jonathan Varane and Kieran Morgan.
That doesn't address people's other genuine concerns but for me so far is a tick in the plus column (I know there is also Celar and Madsen but I personally think Madsen may be okay and not every signing will work).
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The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 11:35 - Aug 16 with 532 views
The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 06:13 - Aug 16 by nix
Well that's exactly it. All the attempts to place anyone who doesn't loathe him into a camp of Nourry-lover, Nourrista, blind to his faults, must work for the club. believe this or that and most ridiculous of all liking him because he wears expensive suits. Quite honestly I think ithe latter is one of the silliest things I've read on here, and that's saying something! And I'm not including posters like Clive, Brian or Simmo in this as they are showing nuance and balance.
You're right mine comes also from a place of trying to find some optimism and positives and I've also been guilty of being naive at times in the past in my desire to see things work out ffor once and I accept that I might be overly positive. But I also feel that some others are framing everything in unnecessarily negative terms and acting as if there haven't been some positive changes and anything good was always like that and anything bad never happened previously under previous CEOs/DoF when I don't think that's true.
I have a fear as much as someone might see mine as toxic positivity that too much negativity might affect our progress. For example we're bound to have a bad patch like we did last season. I genuinely think that because our fans got behind the manager/players that helped turn things round. I'm worried that might not happen this season.
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"For example we're bound to have a bad patch like we did last season. I genuinely think that because our fans got behind the manager/players that helped turn things round. I'm worried that might not happen this season."
I had a great chat on Thursday with Simmo (or Swami, as I've taken to calling him), and it was about this. Simmo made the same point as yours above, and I thought it was a great one. He also reminded me that it was ok to be vigilant, but in the meantime we shouldn't block out the fun.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 11:35 - Aug 16 by BrianMcCarthy
"For example we're bound to have a bad patch like we did last season. I genuinely think that because our fans got behind the manager/players that helped turn things round. I'm worried that might not happen this season."
I had a great chat on Thursday with Simmo (or Swami, as I've taken to calling him), and it was about this. Simmo made the same point as yours above, and I thought it was a great one. He also reminded me that it was ok to be vigilant, but in the meantime we shouldn't block out the fun.
Yeah Brian although heated at times I think this has been a really useful thread with people ending up largely seeing other people's perspectives even though not necessarily agreeing. Where we have agreed is we love being QPR fans (most of the time!) and that's why we're here.
We didn't want to get to the stage where any loss is a disaster and we also need to enjoy the ride!
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The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 11:56 - Aug 16 with 457 views
The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 11:35 - Aug 16 by BrianMcCarthy
"For example we're bound to have a bad patch like we did last season. I genuinely think that because our fans got behind the manager/players that helped turn things round. I'm worried that might not happen this season."
I had a great chat on Thursday with Simmo (or Swami, as I've taken to calling him), and it was about this. Simmo made the same point as yours above, and I thought it was a great one. He also reminded me that it was ok to be vigilant, but in the meantime we shouldn't block out the fun.
Again. Agree.
Those of us with concerns with regards certain characters at the club with a lot of power/influence doesn’t mean we don’t want the club to win, signings to be successful, and the project to work. We want all that. And we want to enjoy it - and will, should it happen. Most of those voicing what I think are very balanced posts outlining some concerns will be there today cheering the team on (in a way many of the twitterati won’t - because we have the loyalty points to get tickets in part).
I don’t think many, if any, of the posts expressing reservations are unbalanced or extreme. Nix, I think, perversely, you’re now seeing negativity that isn’t there. Certainly not to the extremes you think. It’s okay to critique the club. Most of it is balanced. Just like most of the cautious optimism is balanced (like yours). I personally think some of the unreserved support for Nourry himself is somewhat extreme. I think it’s great seeing people say “I like what he’s doing but I didn’t like Tuesday”. That’s a perfectly reasonable position to take. Just as it is to say, I like the plan, but don’t trust/like the person executing it. The club and its senior execs are not without criticism and warrant praise. I think everyone has been universally positive about the signings this summer. Let’s hope they’re successful. But let’s also not jump on any criticism of the club. Some of it may be valid. Balance.
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The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 11:57 - Aug 16 with 453 views
The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 11:49 - Aug 16 by nix
Yeah Brian although heated at times I think this has been a really useful thread with people ending up largely seeing other people's perspectives even though not necessarily agreeing. Where we have agreed is we love being QPR fans (most of the time!) and that's why we're here.
We didn't want to get to the stage where any loss is a disaster and we also need to enjoy the ride!
"The ride", you say? New earworm, thanks!
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 11:35 - Aug 16 by BrianMcCarthy
"For example we're bound to have a bad patch like we did last season. I genuinely think that because our fans got behind the manager/players that helped turn things round. I'm worried that might not happen this season."
I had a great chat on Thursday with Simmo (or Swami, as I've taken to calling him), and it was about this. Simmo made the same point as yours above, and I thought it was a great one. He also reminded me that it was ok to be vigilant, but in the meantime we shouldn't block out the fun.
The bad patches come when half the first team are in the treatment room and the good ones come when they’re on the pitch.
Improvement in the squad depth with players of decent quality is one of the many jigsaw pieces that need putting in place. Frey now being the third choice striker instead of the first choice is another big step in the right direction.
More pieces are still clearly needed. Small steps and all that.
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The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 12:34 - Aug 16 with 342 views
The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 11:21 - Aug 16 by nix
All I am saying is that I've been excited about Mutch, Cousins, Caulker, Samba, Dykes, Bonne in just the same way
Were you excited when you actually saw them play though? Cos I remember being very underwhelmed by Mutch, Cousins and Bonne and barely remember Caulker and Samba playing. Dykes I liked for his endeavour but he was never the real deal either. I was genuinely excited by watching Mbengue,Burrell and Poku. May not be the finished product yet but can see potential. Also with Liam Morrison, Jonathan Varane and Kieran Morgan.
That doesn't address people's other genuine concerns but for me so far is a tick in the plus column (I know there is also Celar and Madsen but I personally think Madsen may be okay and not every signing will work).
There is always excitement when a new player walks through the door, even last years signings. It’s when it becomes clear that they are pants that the forums explode.
But you’re right Nix, Varane, Morrison, Dembele and Morgan are showing real promise from that bunch and Mbengue, Poku and Burrell look good with Kone to come.
Like you, still on the fence about Madsen. Technically good, but lacks physicality in this league.
I’ve all but given up on Celar and with the club having signed two new strikers, I believe they have as well. Will be difficult to shift though.
Looking forward to seeing Kone play today, especially if we see Burrell on at the same time, albeit playing in a slightly deeper role in the absence of Poku.
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The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:05 - Aug 16 with 227 views
The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 07:49 - Aug 16 by GaryBannister86
Totally agree. This thread and board gets accused of being overly negative. I'd say it was more wary than negative. Everyone's excited about Kone, Burrell, Poku. All I am saying is that I've been excited about Mutch, Cousins, Caulker, Samba, Dykes, Bonne in just the same way. Even Celar and his YouTube videos. I'm not going to come on here and declare we've made great signings and are #cooking until I've seen how they do for six months. That doesn't mean I will react with great glee if it goes wrong. Why would I do that?
I may be a long-standing QPR fan but I am not a massive football fan. I don't care much for tactics or even understand them really. The only bit I skim on this site is Greg's no doubt excellent analysis of players. I don't have any feel for it. All I ever care about is QPR winning and QPR doing well. It's why I get so upset when we throw away cup match after cup match and why I can't agree with people being so pleased with "how it's going". I just don't feel the same way until we start winning games, rising up the league, having a cup run. That's what matters to me. I don't care about selling players at a profit. How do we know what that profit is going to do for us in the long run? It's like resting players for the cup - I never see any of these benefits or "good reasons" I am told about coming to fruition. We rested at Leicester, nearly sold Jimmy Dunne the next week, then Marti ends up managing them. What's the benefit of all this stuff? I've heard all this long-term stuff before. I'm not stupid, of course it makes sense. But we've heard it before, done it before and it's been abandoned or forgotten about. I loved seeing Eze play for us, I didn't jump up and down and celebrate the £18m sale.
I want tangible results, things that mean I travel home at 5pm on a Saturday from a match with 3 points in the boot and a hat-trick from Kone. Then I will be posting on here with an optimistic and joyous outlook.
But for now? Nothing has happened yet, we've looked pretty poor in the 180 minutes we've played and have gone out of one of the three competitions we enter. So what am I meant to be congratulating?
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