| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? 23:15 - Aug 12 with 12407 views | HammersmithR |
We keep hearing the word ‘project’. What exactly is the project? Is is simply to play Nourry’s players that his computer has identified. Younger the better? And this is irrespective of how the actual team performs? If this is the case, then the fans will lose patience very quickly. Football is a results business. No one has explained the definition of Nourry’s project. Really struggling to warm to the guy. It’s like he’s using the club for his version of Football Manager. Stephan is clearly being told by above what to do and who should play. |  | | |  |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:05 - Aug 15 with 1299 views | SW_Ranger |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 11:54 - Aug 15 by Northernr |
Again, where have I said they should "beg for forgiveness"? You're putting words in my mouth I haven't said, so yes fck me.
I'm just saying as a coms strategy it can bring more benefits to occasionally say "we got that wrong and learned from it" rather than making out like it was always the intention to sign Celar and Madsen last summer then Poku and Mbengue this summer or that the decision last October to start informing the fans about injuries wasn't a change of tack it was just that previously we didn't have injuries to report. These are obviously untrue, and so people distrust him on other things.
This is what I was talking about in the Plymouth report. This weird entrenchment of views. It's unhealthy.
I've said it perhaps might help if every now and again they were will to admit they made a mistake.
You've come straight in with SO YOU THINK THEY SHOULD APOLOGISE EVERY FIVE MINUTES AND BEG FOR YOUR ADMONISHMENT.
Errr, no.
Oh, I'm not sure we really got that January transfer window right.
SO YOU THINK HE TEMPTS THE JUNIOR R'S BACK TO HIS LAIR AND FEASTS ON THE YOUNG DO YOU?
It is nuts. Absolutely nuts.
Some people have entrenched themselves so deeply into Nourry being bad that he literally cannot do anything right and there's fault to be found in everything. Others have decided he's so wonderful that they're running round like The Simpsons chanting "the leader is good, the leader is great, I love the leader".
We've got to be able to offer legitimate criticism when it's justified, while also giving out credit when it's due.
If you'd told me before that Plymouth game on Tuesday what was going to happen I would have been able to tell you the ten Twitter and LFW accounts that would think it was shrewd, smart, not a problem, part of the plan and anybody who says otherwise is a dinosaur or old fart or mentally ill. Likewise I could tell you the ten accounts that would say it was an insult to the supporters and those that travelled should be refunded.
If we happen to lose 4-0 at Watford tomorrow I can tell you the accounts that will be straight on here saying "early days, always going to take time to settle, injuries, these young players need our support" and the ones that will be burning the place down.
That's not a healthy position to be in. We saw it under Paladini. It's not good for debate, it's not good for this website, it's not good for our support base. |
A little tongue in cheek here, but if this is the ‘fair’ ethos of the club should we not also have a Monday morning parade of management, coaches and players on video apologising for their mistakes too. Corporate fairness and all that  |  | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:08 - Aug 15 with 1283 views | Stainrod |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 12:49 - Aug 15 by Northernr |
Again, as I said in my original post, the way he speaks and communicates plays well to one demographic and not another. I don’t think we’d kid ourselves that we’re swimming in young people on here are we?
I also think there’s a lot of people on here who went through the Paladini years and are therefore very wary, whereas on Twitter that’s probably less the case.
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That is your distinction re the fanbase, not mine.
As I said, I was talking about forums. On Fantasy Island - similar age group to here - posters were not hurling themselves off buildings because (surprise, surprise) we didn’t do very well in a cup game; or, as some were on here for a while, turning a debate on almost any subject into another conversation about contract lengths; there is some ribbing about Nourry speak, and there is certainly a range of opinions, but most posters there seem pretty clear what the project is and seem to broadly support it.
There are plenty of excellent posters on here and I love your match reports but I do think there is a reason why the tone is generally more negative here than among other elements of the fanbase and it’s not just down to age.
I probably read the majority of your output on here and until I read your comments on this thread I did not realise that you thought Nourry was basically doing an excellent job and he is only really letting himself down at his own PR. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:10 - Aug 15 with 1275 views | nix |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 13:25 - Aug 15 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I think a lot of clashes of opinion about Nourry happen because people‘s priorities about QPR are different.
I think they are roughly divided into
- Results at all costs
- Decent fan culture (this would be me)
- Keeping things the same
For those that adhere to the first one, I get why he’s popular. He’s a young good looking wealthy guy in a expensive suit. In this hyper commercial world it’s these people that run the place.
All the big clubs have a Nourry.
But beware, becuase they won’t be around forever. Preston away always will. |
unsurprisingly I disagree with all of this. I don't think you can lump people into camps. Especially as you're implying people who support broadly the direction the club is going in cannot also be part of the decent fan culture and don't want to keep anything the same and vice versa. It's reductive and unhelpful.
As for this assertion:For those that adhere to the first one, I get why he’s popular. He’s a young good looking wealthy guy in a expensive suit. In this hyper commercial world it’s these people that run the place. it's so ludricous I'm surprised you're not embarrassed typing it.
Who cares about his suit or his looks? So patronising. |  | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:16 - Aug 15 with 1218 views | Burnleyhoop |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 13:51 - Aug 15 by lassel |
Just to pick up on your claim that Nourry is clearly extremely intelligent and would be a PL CEO if he was only a bit more experienced, there is really nothing in his background to support that statement.
After leaving school he set up a e-com marketing consultancy that failed. He then setup as a recruitment consultant which via his dads fabulously well connected black book got him contracts with Retexo (run by another fabulously well connected young private schoolboy) and ultimately a toe in the door at QPR.
The reason he is not a PL CEO is the same reason he was working as a self-employed recruitment consultant before meeting Lee Hoos - no other professional football club would be so utterly insane as to hire a 25 year old recruitment consultant with no football experience to a senior role, let alone an executive role.
None of that should ultimately matter of course, he’s not going anywhere so all that’s important is results on the pitch which as Hunter has said we simply don’t know yet. We know they blew through £9m to finish 16th last season but we won’t know how much FFP headroom they sacrificed to do that until early next year when the accounts come out.
This season in order to justify the extensively discussed downsides - the arrogance, the insecurity, the morale within the grunts around the club, the disdain for communicating with supporters - he needs to produce marked improvement on the pitch, when as North says, if he just gave us some feel good crumbs from the table he would likely have the goodwill to survive another 16th (or let’s be honest, likely lower…..) finishing position.
As it is, he is paying PR companies to place puff pieces calling him ‘the Messi of football boardrooms’ and rewarding his best mate Williams - who utterly took the piss out of the club last season and only came back because Boston sacked him within a year - with a promotion to his official right hand man while he patronises supporters at what was supposed to be a softball supporters forum…. |
Poku, Dembele, Burrell, Kone…..those are the sort of crumbs I/we could survive on.
I don’t really need my emotional strife soothing by words from the guy upstairs in an expensive suit. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:22 - Aug 15 with 1184 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:10 - Aug 15 by nix |
unsurprisingly I disagree with all of this. I don't think you can lump people into camps. Especially as you're implying people who support broadly the direction the club is going in cannot also be part of the decent fan culture and don't want to keep anything the same and vice versa. It's reductive and unhelpful.
As for this assertion:For those that adhere to the first one, I get why he’s popular. He’s a young good looking wealthy guy in a expensive suit. In this hyper commercial world it’s these people that run the place. it's so ludricous I'm surprised you're not embarrassed typing it.
Who cares about his suit or his looks? So patronising. |
You don’t think people have different priorities?
And certainly didn’t imply that!
But yeah, patronising or not, I’m sticking to my claim that some people only back him for those reasons. |  | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:27 - Aug 15 with 1143 views | Mr_Beef |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 12:14 - Aug 15 by Stainrod |
In an ideal world with ideal people I make you right.
But think about the human psychology for a minute.
Nourry is very bright and has got a big job very, very young.
And as is so often the case with people like that he is a curious mixture of arrogant and insecure. Like you I like people to apologise. I'm the kind of guy who apologises to the person who bumps into me at a supermarket. I don't think saying sorry makes you look weak, if anything the opposite.
But that is a realisation which often comes later in life.
We know Nourry isn't the finished article because if he was he would probably be CEO of a Premier League club. But we do know he learns as we see how he has changed transfer policy. So maybe in time he will learn humility and better comms skills.
But again, if you had to choose between a) humility and b) getting the majority of decisions right, which one would you prioritise? Besides, if we are looking for comparisons, I actually found Hoos the more arrogant and quite dismissive, but maybe that's just me... |
There are positives so from Nourry and, for me, some concerns/flags. We all hope that the positives far end up outweighing the negatives and that QPR benefit as a result.
That said, there's a big difference between being articulate and "very bright". It's far too soon to say that it's the latter. |  | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:29 - Aug 15 with 1112 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:22 - Aug 15 by BazzaInTheLoft |
You don’t think people have different priorities?
And certainly didn’t imply that!
But yeah, patronising or not, I’m sticking to my claim that some people only back him for those reasons. |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:32 - Aug 15 with 1076 views | QPRSam |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:22 - Aug 15 by BazzaInTheLoft |
You don’t think people have different priorities?
And certainly didn’t imply that!
But yeah, patronising or not, I’m sticking to my claim that some people only back him for those reasons. |
People only back the club because they fancy Nourry? This thread is turning depraved  | | | |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:34 - Aug 15 with 1049 views | mart_Goblin |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:08 - Aug 15 by Stainrod |
That is your distinction re the fanbase, not mine.
As I said, I was talking about forums. On Fantasy Island - similar age group to here - posters were not hurling themselves off buildings because (surprise, surprise) we didn’t do very well in a cup game; or, as some were on here for a while, turning a debate on almost any subject into another conversation about contract lengths; there is some ribbing about Nourry speak, and there is certainly a range of opinions, but most posters there seem pretty clear what the project is and seem to broadly support it.
There are plenty of excellent posters on here and I love your match reports but I do think there is a reason why the tone is generally more negative here than among other elements of the fanbase and it’s not just down to age.
I probably read the majority of your output on here and until I read your comments on this thread I did not realise that you thought Nourry was basically doing an excellent job and he is only really letting himself down at his own PR. |
‘There are plenty of excellent posters on here and I love your match reports but I do think there is a reason why the tone is generally more negative here than among other elements of the fanbase and it’s not just down to age.’
Despite the veiled attempt to cover yourself , it still comes over as patronising really , to Clive and a lot others on here .
Fair enough . |  | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:35 - Aug 15 with 1042 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:32 - Aug 15 by QPRSam |
People only back the club because they fancy Nourry? This thread is turning depraved |
I think that’s a bit hysterical and not what I said. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:42 - Aug 15 with 998 views | KensalT |
Fck me this is a lively one!
I was going to jump in earlier but I decided to dig around in the shed for my tin hat first.
I've skimmed through the earlier posts and there's a lot to agree with.
Firstly, when players talk about "the project" I just treat it as PR BS. They're told to say it, so get it over with and move on.
"QPR is an historical club" is another one I've been hearing a lot recently. Oh how I laugh.
The nuts and bolts of the project - try to be a development club and grow organically towards being sustainable - hasn't really changed since the Les era. And David McIntyre said as much to Christian Nourry in their recent interview.
Where we went wrong in the Les era was we said one thing in public then flip-flopped all over the place in practice.
There is nothing more dispiriting than that. And us supporters aren't so dumb that we can't see through it.
OK, plans sometimes have to change. But it's better to be open about that and bring the supporters with you than try to be secretive about it.
On the comms and transparency issue I'm broadly with Clive and for three reasons:
1. Football clubs aren't your typical business. A football supporter offers the sort of historical and emotional brand loyalty that your average supermarket would kill for. And for that reason they should be treated with more respect by the "custodians".
2. Obsessive secrecy smacks of deep insecurity and isn't a good look for the leadership of the club.
3. If we ever do get to the PL then you can forget all this control freakery around comms. The level of media scrutiny is going to be far more intense. If the media pack thinks you're trying to hide something they will swarm all over it like bees to a honeypot.
Since Nourry became CEO/DoF the club has gotten some things right and also made a few mistakes. It isn't weakness to acknowledge that.
The owners have admitted to making mistakes and despite that still have the goodwill of the fans.
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:46 - Aug 15 with 965 views | JamesB1979 |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:42 - Aug 15 by KensalT |
Fck me this is a lively one!
I was going to jump in earlier but I decided to dig around in the shed for my tin hat first.
I've skimmed through the earlier posts and there's a lot to agree with.
Firstly, when players talk about "the project" I just treat it as PR BS. They're told to say it, so get it over with and move on.
"QPR is an historical club" is another one I've been hearing a lot recently. Oh how I laugh.
The nuts and bolts of the project - try to be a development club and grow organically towards being sustainable - hasn't really changed since the Les era. And David McIntyre said as much to Christian Nourry in their recent interview.
Where we went wrong in the Les era was we said one thing in public then flip-flopped all over the place in practice.
There is nothing more dispiriting than that. And us supporters aren't so dumb that we can't see through it.
OK, plans sometimes have to change. But it's better to be open about that and bring the supporters with you than try to be secretive about it.
On the comms and transparency issue I'm broadly with Clive and for three reasons:
1. Football clubs aren't your typical business. A football supporter offers the sort of historical and emotional brand loyalty that your average supermarket would kill for. And for that reason they should be treated with more respect by the "custodians".
2. Obsessive secrecy smacks of deep insecurity and isn't a good look for the leadership of the club.
3. If we ever do get to the PL then you can forget all this control freakery around comms. The level of media scrutiny is going to be far more intense. If the media pack thinks you're trying to hide something they will swarm all over it like bees to a honeypot.
Since Nourry became CEO/DoF the club has gotten some things right and also made a few mistakes. It isn't weakness to acknowledge that.
The owners have admitted to making mistakes and despite that still have the goodwill of the fans.
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Agree on all that “same old” talk. Kone one was good. Hungry and love his back story. Dembele I think is always pretty up front. But beneath all the talk, Poku, Kone and Mbengue joining is a great sign for the club. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:53 - Aug 15 with 926 views | wombat |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 13:58 - Aug 15 by QPRSam |
Well it was only in page 2 of this thread you were accused of working for the club! I was accused of being a Ben Williams fanboy and "one of those sent by CN" in another because I felt positively post fans forum (whatever that means, I'll definitely be heading to Watford tomorrow looking forward to seeing Ben Williams!)
Oh what it is to be a slight optimist  |
as clive said most of us have seen this all before , the present campaign is being run slightly differntly though , more media basesd with a vast group who back nourry it seems with bigger words and more log ins from the same account , not seen any free holidays offered yet or ny laptops either but give it time I suppose .
lots are jumping on the we love nourry bandwagon because of the youth players being brought in , same as we have done in before but this time on the back of a succesful cup win last season , how many wil make it and be come established first team players and then sold for millions who knows ,who will become part of random do you know who this is pictures in comng years also the same no idea .
issuse will be how does he cope when the wheels do come off ?And they will do as they always do each season , fans might not be as on side as he thinks they are right now. |  |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:58 - Aug 15 with 894 views | Northernr |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:08 - Aug 15 by Stainrod |
That is your distinction re the fanbase, not mine.
As I said, I was talking about forums. On Fantasy Island - similar age group to here - posters were not hurling themselves off buildings because (surprise, surprise) we didn’t do very well in a cup game; or, as some were on here for a while, turning a debate on almost any subject into another conversation about contract lengths; there is some ribbing about Nourry speak, and there is certainly a range of opinions, but most posters there seem pretty clear what the project is and seem to broadly support it.
There are plenty of excellent posters on here and I love your match reports but I do think there is a reason why the tone is generally more negative here than among other elements of the fanbase and it’s not just down to age.
I probably read the majority of your output on here and until I read your comments on this thread I did not realise that you thought Nourry was basically doing an excellent job and he is only really letting himself down at his own PR. |
What is this thread if not a range of opinions? |  | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 15:07 - Aug 15 with 839 views | Burnleyhoop |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:53 - Aug 15 by wombat |
as clive said most of us have seen this all before , the present campaign is being run slightly differntly though , more media basesd with a vast group who back nourry it seems with bigger words and more log ins from the same account , not seen any free holidays offered yet or ny laptops either but give it time I suppose .
lots are jumping on the we love nourry bandwagon because of the youth players being brought in , same as we have done in before but this time on the back of a succesful cup win last season , how many wil make it and be come established first team players and then sold for millions who knows ,who will become part of random do you know who this is pictures in comng years also the same no idea .
issuse will be how does he cope when the wheels do come off ?And they will do as they always do each season , fans might not be as on side as he thinks they are right now. |
If the wheels do fall off, the key will be whether we stick to the plan, adjust it slightly or tear off in a completely new direction in the way we have so many times before.
Personally, just put the wheels back on and keep moving. And maybe get a spare wheel or two for the journey. It’s going to be a long one. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 15:07 - Aug 15 with 831 views | QPRSam |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:53 - Aug 15 by wombat |
as clive said most of us have seen this all before , the present campaign is being run slightly differntly though , more media basesd with a vast group who back nourry it seems with bigger words and more log ins from the same account , not seen any free holidays offered yet or ny laptops either but give it time I suppose .
lots are jumping on the we love nourry bandwagon because of the youth players being brought in , same as we have done in before but this time on the back of a succesful cup win last season , how many wil make it and be come established first team players and then sold for millions who knows ,who will become part of random do you know who this is pictures in comng years also the same no idea .
issuse will be how does he cope when the wheels do come off ?And they will do as they always do each season , fans might not be as on side as he thinks they are right now. |
Well Wombat like you've said in a previous thread, you've made your mind up that the season is going to be a complete car crash, months before it even starts. So I'm not going to change your outlook on things. We could get promoted I think you'd still stick with that view.
I don't think there is a "We love Nourry camp" though. There's a camp that support QPR and are happy with the direction that the club is heading in. I'm excited by the restructure of the youth setup and increased involvement of youth players. Does that put me in the Chris Ramsey or Paul Furlong camp? I'm excited by the transfers this window, being able to sign Kone and Poku ahead of clubs with far bigger budgets than ours, does that put me in the Andy Belk camp?
This fixation of splitting up the fanbase into this side or that side. It's tedious to be honest. We're QPR and if some are optimistic because of all the positive signs shown so far and want to support the club, why the need to try ostracise them? | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 15:11 - Aug 15 with 791 views | HammersmithR |
The bottom line is there are big question marks over Nourry. Time will tell if his plan will succeed. There will come a point I’m sure that like various managers that if the board feel he is not succeeding then he will be moved on. I don’t know much about his previous work experience. He’s clearly impressed the board and they have given him their full backing. I think Northern makes a lot salient points in that in such a position there is accountability. I’m very much on the fence camp with Nourry. I need to see hard evidence if his big plan will work. There does need to be more humility and accountability when things go wrong with the plan. We have made big outlays with the likes of Madsen and Celar for example. They have not been good signings…yet. How much longer do we wait before we cut our losses? I’m encouraged big time with Kone, Dembele etc. Let’s see how they get on. I’ve followed this club for well over 40 years as have my Dad and Grandad. I’ve seen it all. We nearly became Fulham Park Rangers. I’m always dubious of those in positions of power at the club. Amit, Reuben, Hoos are all good people who want what’s best for our club. Nourry has a different plan. And as Marti often said ‘let’s be humble’. I think that’s a trait that people like Nourry need to have. Be honest when things go wrong. Praise will always be given when things are done well. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 15:34 - Aug 15 with 671 views | GroveR |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 12:54 - Aug 15 by BrianMcCarthy |
Paladini. And Thompson as well.
As we get older, we still give our hearts. But we give them on a string. |
When asked "what would be your major regret?", Richard Thompson said (emphasis mine):
I think the regret is the communication with the fans. My communication wasn't good I didn't spend enough time talking to the fans, explaining my perspective. I probably felt too defensive because I think I could tell everyone thought I was too young. That's probably the biggest regret and I do wonder that if I had done better at that before 1994 then I probably would have been in a better position in 1994 to help manage that situation.
I stood at home and away games chanting "we want Thompson out" and on reflection he was basically executing "the project" - buy low, sell high and try to stay competitive as a "have-not" in a league full of "haves"
Credit to qprnet.com - https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/members/queensparkrangers/news/45348/richard-thomp [Post edited 15 Aug 15:35]
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 15:34 - Aug 15 with 667 views | Hunterhoop |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 15:07 - Aug 15 by Burnleyhoop |
If the wheels do fall off, the key will be whether we stick to the plan, adjust it slightly or tear off in a completely new direction in the way we have so many times before.
Personally, just put the wheels back on and keep moving. And maybe get a spare wheel or two for the journey. It’s going to be a long one. |
If things go awry, of course we should stick to the objective of this plan (increase income through buy low/sell high, in order to compete at the right end of this league).
The question, if things go awry, is whether there is someone or some people better placed to lead and execute this plan than Nourry (and Hoos, don’t forget him, he’s involved and Nourry’s boss effectively).
I won’t repeat lots of things said before, but there is one thing not been raised on this MB.
Look at the posters voicing concerns about Nourry (not the outline of the plan). It’s not just demographics. It includes disproportionately people who have met him or know people who have met or directly worked with him. The concerns ultimately come directly and indirectly from those who have actually engaged with him. Is that not a red flag? It is worth at least considering? You can always explain away the odd disparaging view of someone but it’s pretty consistent.
You might want to think “well, I don’t believe that” or “I won’t believe that unless you say who all the sources are”. But people aren’t going to betray confidences. So you can choose to believe or not.
But a lot of the posters on here who have concerns have been around for a long time on this MB, so should have some level of credibility, and some are evidently connected with people at the club or very close to it. Consider this.
It doesn’t mean the plan is wrong. |  | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 15:44 - Aug 15 with 623 views | JamesB1979 |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 15:34 - Aug 15 by Hunterhoop |
If things go awry, of course we should stick to the objective of this plan (increase income through buy low/sell high, in order to compete at the right end of this league).
The question, if things go awry, is whether there is someone or some people better placed to lead and execute this plan than Nourry (and Hoos, don’t forget him, he’s involved and Nourry’s boss effectively).
I won’t repeat lots of things said before, but there is one thing not been raised on this MB.
Look at the posters voicing concerns about Nourry (not the outline of the plan). It’s not just demographics. It includes disproportionately people who have met him or know people who have met or directly worked with him. The concerns ultimately come directly and indirectly from those who have actually engaged with him. Is that not a red flag? It is worth at least considering? You can always explain away the odd disparaging view of someone but it’s pretty consistent.
You might want to think “well, I don’t believe that” or “I won’t believe that unless you say who all the sources are”. But people aren’t going to betray confidences. So you can choose to believe or not.
But a lot of the posters on here who have concerns have been around for a long time on this MB, so should have some level of credibility, and some are evidently connected with people at the club or very close to it. Consider this.
It doesn’t mean the plan is wrong. |
All completely fair. However, isn’t Dunne, Chair and Field all signing up longer term a sign that they are happy with things at the club? Chair said as much on a podcast. Maybe Nourry is a d.ick, I’ve no idea but what’s more important is if the set-up and atmosphere at the club in general a good one? Is the “plan” a good one? To me they both must be pretty good otherwise we wouldn’t have characters like those 3 sign up and young hungry lads like Poku, Mbengue and Kone sign up too. And that to me is critical. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 16:10 - Aug 15 with 547 views | simmo |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 15:44 - Aug 15 by JamesB1979 |
All completely fair. However, isn’t Dunne, Chair and Field all signing up longer term a sign that they are happy with things at the club? Chair said as much on a podcast. Maybe Nourry is a d.ick, I’ve no idea but what’s more important is if the set-up and atmosphere at the club in general a good one? Is the “plan” a good one? To me they both must be pretty good otherwise we wouldn’t have characters like those 3 sign up and young hungry lads like Poku, Mbengue and Kone sign up too. And that to me is critical. |
That's not being disputed!
At this point it feels like the nuance is being intentionally ignored by some so I'll excuse myself from future chat, but to be clear, I think almost everybody is happy with the direction of travel, but some have concerns about the means of transport - especially those familiar with the journey.
It's OK to have issues whilst also accepting things are positive overall. |  |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 16:28 - Aug 15 with 478 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 13:19 - Aug 15 by Northernr |
"Well, I'm a CN fan" This is the thing, we're supposed to be QPR fans. It's not Christian Nourry FC.
Your comment in the week was out of order to a lot of people that travelled down there and weren't happy. |
That comment was certainly not aimed at those that travelled, I posted that when the third goal went in knowing that the comments would start straight away. And they did.
And I am a fan of what he is doing, just as there are clearly those that are not. And I think you can be one or the other and still support QPR.
I've been called a CN plant a month ago because I've agreed with what he is doing. It's equally insulting, if not more so as it implies i took some sort of bribe to post on here, but I didn't complain. | |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 16:31 - Aug 15 with 442 views | Luther |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:49 - Aug 15 by hubble |
This is one of the most
threads I've read on LFW! |
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| "Opinionated weather forecasters telling me it's going to be a miserable day. Miserable to who? I quite like a bit of drizzle, so stick to the facts."
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 16:55 - Aug 15 with 376 views | Stainrod |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:34 - Aug 15 by mart_Goblin |
‘There are plenty of excellent posters on here and I love your match reports but I do think there is a reason why the tone is generally more negative here than among other elements of the fanbase and it’s not just down to age.’
Despite the veiled attempt to cover yourself , it still comes over as patronising really , to Clive and a lot others on here .
Fair enough . |
Not my intention to patronise, so apologies if that's how you interpreted it.
And I was being sincere in my praise for this site - in particular Clive's match reports. Many a dark hour supporting this club has been made a little more bearable thanks to his humour.
But what would be a little patronising, surely, would be if humble, ordinary posters like me were not allowed to disagree with Clive or ask why the tone on this site is generally more negative than elsewhere? My sense of Clive is he can can more than handle himself in a politely expressed exchange of views.
I do think Clive has blown up some relatively trivial negative events and put them on a par with what he himself acknowledges are the much bigger positive events taking place. The media team might be far more likely to grant Clive's interview request if they only knew he was actually such a supporter of "the project"!
But I am a guest on Clive's site and am not looking for rancour so happy to accept, as he says, there are a range of views.
Love the Bob Hazzel picture BTW. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 16:58 - Aug 15 with 360 views | derbyhoop |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 20:52 - Aug 14 by Burnleyhoop |
Les did indeed allude to the strategic plan of development of youth, buy low etc etc. But he and the club kept falling into the trap of allowing successive managers to dictate which players were brought in and the development squad became all but meaningless, with players hanging around for years with absolutely no chance of ever getting near the first team. Project shelved again.
Someone needed to get a grip of both elements of how the club was operating as there is no doubt we were heading into a death spiral.
Nourry has overseen the change required. He has made mistakes and will make many more. His communication leaves a lot to be desired, but both the first team and the development squad have made significant progress from where we were before he came.
As fans we are not privy to everything that goes on behind the scenes and the club is not required to give us daily updates on each and every decision made. What you or I or any fan prefers or likes is largely irrelevant. Opinions are fine, we all have them, but fundamentally we are very much moving in the right direction and anyone who believes otherwise isn’t looking properly. |
Nail and head
Of course, we need to buy low, develop and sell high. And if the buying low means picking up kids at 14-18 and getting them to First team level then great.
We've rarely been able to sell at a decent price, since Eze.
Perhaps Armstrong had reached maximum value and Kelman may prove to be the same.
What dragged Brentford up was that they regularly sold players at or close to their maximum and invested in younger, mostly European, young players that carried on that model.
That has to be our aim but we're probably a year or two away from a significant sale. For all that which is positive, the selection on Tuesday night didn't help anybody. Not QPR as a club, nor the youngsters they threw to the wolves. |  |
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