| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? 23:15 - Aug 12 with 12431 views | HammersmithR |
We keep hearing the word ‘project’. What exactly is the project? Is is simply to play Nourry’s players that his computer has identified. Younger the better? And this is irrespective of how the actual team performs? If this is the case, then the fans will lose patience very quickly. Football is a results business. No one has explained the definition of Nourry’s project. Really struggling to warm to the guy. It’s like he’s using the club for his version of Football Manager. Stephan is clearly being told by above what to do and who should play. |  | | |  |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 16:59 - Aug 15 with 1128 views | Northernr |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 16:55 - Aug 15 by Stainrod |
Not my intention to patronise, so apologies if that's how you interpreted it.
And I was being sincere in my praise for this site - in particular Clive's match reports. Many a dark hour supporting this club has been made a little more bearable thanks to his humour.
But what would be a little patronising, surely, would be if humble, ordinary posters like me were not allowed to disagree with Clive or ask why the tone on this site is generally more negative than elsewhere? My sense of Clive is he can can more than handle himself in a politely expressed exchange of views.
I do think Clive has blown up some relatively trivial negative events and put them on a par with what he himself acknowledges are the much bigger positive events taking place. The media team might be far more likely to grant Clive's interview request if they only knew he was actually such a supporter of "the project"!
But I am a guest on Clive's site and am not looking for rancour so happy to accept, as he says, there are a range of views.
Love the Bob Hazzel picture BTW. |
Well firstly agree that you can disagree away to your heart's content, it's not my site at all it belongs to all the users.
Secondly, it does sound like we have a broader range of views here if your assessment of the other boards is " most posters there seem pretty clear what the project is and seem to broadly support it".
Thirdly, if it was the case you're more likely to get interviews and access when you're "broadly supportive of the project" then that should be a big red flag and a concern to everybody.
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 17:05 - Aug 15 with 1093 views | QPR_Jim |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 12:06 - Aug 15 by BrianMcCarthy |
On a personal note, my distrust of Nourry is not just because of a poor comms strategy, it's because I simply don't believe anything he says.
I hope that changes, simply because the CEO/DOF of our club should be trustworthy.
But he's only going to earn that over time. |
That's my biggest problem with him, I don't trust him because he's been found out telling lies. Lies about his experience in football and involvement with things that happened before his time here. Lies about what people have said to him concerning contract lengths, lies about fans forums and lies about our injury situation. Basically the only thing he's demonstrated to me, is that he will lie to make himself look better as none of the list above has a bearing on the performance of the club.
Every signing has a CN statement to go in there, he's having articles written about him , front a center for the fans forum and seemed to be appearing for more interviews last season than our manager. I appreciate self promotion is part of modern practices but he's quite aggressive with it in a similar way that Beale was, so I find it hard to trust him.
The recent signings appear to be good, certainly more happy than I was this time last year. But whether they've all signed up because they're enthused by the project or CN has decided to throw some money at it, I'll wait to see what the accounts say. |  | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 17:25 - Aug 15 with 1016 views | KensalT |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 17:05 - Aug 15 by QPR_Jim |
That's my biggest problem with him, I don't trust him because he's been found out telling lies. Lies about his experience in football and involvement with things that happened before his time here. Lies about what people have said to him concerning contract lengths, lies about fans forums and lies about our injury situation. Basically the only thing he's demonstrated to me, is that he will lie to make himself look better as none of the list above has a bearing on the performance of the club.
Every signing has a CN statement to go in there, he's having articles written about him , front a center for the fans forum and seemed to be appearing for more interviews last season than our manager. I appreciate self promotion is part of modern practices but he's quite aggressive with it in a similar way that Beale was, so I find it hard to trust him.
The recent signings appear to be good, certainly more happy than I was this time last year. But whether they've all signed up because they're enthused by the project or CN has decided to throw some money at it, I'll wait to see what the accounts say. |
I'd forgotten about his tendency to keep embroidering his CV.
That really smacks of insecurity.
He's in the top job. Get on with it and stop reminding people you're experience is a little thin.
Most people will forget that and judge him on what he does now, not what he says he did several years ago. [Post edited 15 Aug 18:07]
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 17:45 - Aug 15 with 964 views | JamesB1979 |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 16:10 - Aug 15 by simmo |
That's not being disputed!
At this point it feels like the nuance is being intentionally ignored by some so I'll excuse myself from future chat, but to be clear, I think almost everybody is happy with the direction of travel, but some have concerns about the means of transport - especially those familiar with the journey.
It's OK to have issues whilst also accepting things are positive overall. |
To be fair, I think the nuance is missed from both points of view. Just because I’m happy with the journey we’re on and like the changes, doesn’t mean I love Nourry and won’t hear a word against him. I take issue (covered above) when people get personal about Nourry (some subtly, some less so). Not because I like him, I’ve never met him but I just don’t think it’s right. And also with fact that there are 2 groups, a Nourry group and the Hate Nourry group. It’s all nonsense. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 17:53 - Aug 15 with 938 views | lassel |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:16 - Aug 15 by Burnleyhoop |
Poku, Dembele, Burrell, Kone…..those are the sort of crumbs I/we could survive on.
I don’t really need my emotional strife soothing by words from the guy upstairs in an expensive suit. |
And only caring about on the pitch results and how many players we sign is a perfectly fine position to take, but what are the metrics for success or failure?
They blew through £9m last summer, and likely another £20m+ loss to finish 16th last season. Was that *really* a successful season? Now we all know there were extenuating circumstances, several of the signings struggled in a new league and we had horrible injuries. If Nourry had come out and said ‘yeah we are really happy with the business we did, the lads struggled a bit but we think they’re great long term assets, and of course we had horrible injuries’ then I’d hope everyone could understand.
Instead, they fronted up that in fact it was ‘the big beautiful transfer window’, we got everyone we wanted, couldn’t be happier and in fact we didn’t have any injury crisis last season, so by default it was all the managers fault.
That then leaves Nourry and Stephan a big issue as by their own metric, we have no injury issues right now, in fact we are in rude health squad wise so there is no excuse for us not to be extremely competitive against anyone.
Nourry also engineered an issue all on his own because they stated in the last accounts that they spent £9m, yet he then had the PR teams ring round insisting that actually that £9m was only a worst case scenario if everyone smashed their KPI’s, while at the same time insisting we had ‘the big beautiful transfer window’. So which is it? Did we have the BBTF and all the players are amazing and so we are going to realise the £9m? Or was it a bit of a mess and we likely won’t realise the full amount?
Equally this summer, we have spent again and are likely to require a fallow summer next summer to stay within FFP. What equates to success this season? Would another 16th, or even lower be success? Would you as someone who only cares about on the pitch continue to support him in that scenario?
And then we come to the Eze money. If as expected he goes very late in the window and we have wait to January to be able to reinvest it, what is the KPI for allowing Nourry to oversee that once in a generation spend? If we are in the lower half of the tables after 2x big windows, would he have earned the right to spend that last chance money? How high is good enough. 12th? 10th? 7th?
Clearly we disagree about the importance of on/off the pitch stuff, I weight them at 50:50, you weight on the pitch higher, so what would be your metric for this season for Nourry deserving a third season at the helm, considering that S1 was by his own spin a high spending failure of a season?
I, and I suspect others, would really appreciate your thoughts on what he needs to deliver. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 18:09 - Aug 15 with 894 views | LadbrokeR |
I’m coming to the defence of Hammersmith R he’s probably one of the most positive blokes know and overly complimentary about the team. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 18:16 - Aug 15 with 868 views | oldchap |
Whatever anyone thinks about the CEO, or the plan, the 'game model' or whether the signings will prove to be good or bad, the truth is no one knows. It is far too early too say.
How can anyone say 'it' whatever they mean by 'it' is 'going well' or 'going bad'? At the very best there are indicators in some areas that look encouraging, there are some that are a bit 'concerning' . Probably all of the above have been articulated and given weight depending on where personal feelings lie.
As everyone knows the attrition rate of young professional footballers is high. Seeing our young players getting some success is heartwarming and gives hope that we will have home grown stars to cheer and maybe get handsome transfer fees for at some point. We will only really know if the different approach to youth development (if it is that different) wil succeed in a few years down the line.
Are we better at picking up young talent for the first team, maybe, more of the signings look to be promising than has been the case previously, so that is good news but will they maintain improvement and get better? Will they be 'Eze' standard of good, 'Chair' standard of good or fade and not reach their potential? Whether you are a 'CN' fan or an 'old fart' (which apparently was not an insult because the author meant a specific group ?!) No one knows.
If progress is creating new roles and giving the post holders new titles then we are doing well, but surely what we are interested in, is what they deliver. We will not know until they are bedded in and have time to demonstrate improvement.
What does not help, as others have alluded to, is history of attempts at manipulating and dividing fans at QPR. Feeding stories to undermine unpopular employees and briefing to 'favoured individuals'. In some cases, decisions being made for the benefit of a few self interested individuals rather than the football club. So anybody who is smart, with vision and great ideas should be aware of that and engage and communicate in a way that demonstrates an understanding of that experience to get buy in. If it is perceived that similar tactics are being employed (i make no judgement as to whether that IS the case) than do not be surprised if there is a reaction. Learn from it and make adjustments. That is what a good leader does. BTW whilst I do not think that we are in a place where apologies need to be made, the best leaders do apologise when appropriate.
If, the plan, makes the club more stable financially, develops a stream of talented young players over the next few years that succeed here or somewhere else and incrementally improves the performance of the first team over that period then we will know whether or not it was a success. A failure in any of these three areas will indicate something else. But maybe lets wait and see how this unfolds in the real world so we have something tangible to consider. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 18:27 - Aug 15 with 834 views | Burnleyhoop |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 17:53 - Aug 15 by lassel |
And only caring about on the pitch results and how many players we sign is a perfectly fine position to take, but what are the metrics for success or failure?
They blew through £9m last summer, and likely another £20m+ loss to finish 16th last season. Was that *really* a successful season? Now we all know there were extenuating circumstances, several of the signings struggled in a new league and we had horrible injuries. If Nourry had come out and said ‘yeah we are really happy with the business we did, the lads struggled a bit but we think they’re great long term assets, and of course we had horrible injuries’ then I’d hope everyone could understand.
Instead, they fronted up that in fact it was ‘the big beautiful transfer window’, we got everyone we wanted, couldn’t be happier and in fact we didn’t have any injury crisis last season, so by default it was all the managers fault.
That then leaves Nourry and Stephan a big issue as by their own metric, we have no injury issues right now, in fact we are in rude health squad wise so there is no excuse for us not to be extremely competitive against anyone.
Nourry also engineered an issue all on his own because they stated in the last accounts that they spent £9m, yet he then had the PR teams ring round insisting that actually that £9m was only a worst case scenario if everyone smashed their KPI’s, while at the same time insisting we had ‘the big beautiful transfer window’. So which is it? Did we have the BBTF and all the players are amazing and so we are going to realise the £9m? Or was it a bit of a mess and we likely won’t realise the full amount?
Equally this summer, we have spent again and are likely to require a fallow summer next summer to stay within FFP. What equates to success this season? Would another 16th, or even lower be success? Would you as someone who only cares about on the pitch continue to support him in that scenario?
And then we come to the Eze money. If as expected he goes very late in the window and we have wait to January to be able to reinvest it, what is the KPI for allowing Nourry to oversee that once in a generation spend? If we are in the lower half of the tables after 2x big windows, would he have earned the right to spend that last chance money? How high is good enough. 12th? 10th? 7th?
Clearly we disagree about the importance of on/off the pitch stuff, I weight them at 50:50, you weight on the pitch higher, so what would be your metric for this season for Nourry deserving a third season at the helm, considering that S1 was by his own spin a high spending failure of a season?
I, and I suspect others, would really appreciate your thoughts on what he needs to deliver. |
For a start I would suggest you read my previous posts because it is clear you have no understanding of my views and opinions on the club and its operational methodologies.
Being concerned solely about the on pitch stuff is a million miles from the stance I have taken and you have obviously taken one post completely out of context.
Maybe come back when you have done your homework and can qualify your accusations. In the meantime I will trawl through my Kpi charts to determine which metrics are falling short and implement the appropriate corrective actions.
Oh, Dunne back in training and available for Coventry next week and I believe Poku’s injury is not considered long term, but will revert following further assessments.
As far as the BBTW is concerned, although unfamiliar with this abbreviation and its apparent use, I would only consider Celar an absolute failure, with varying degrees of success across the rest of them. Show me one club that gets every transfer bang on the money. They are all a gamble, especially for the money we have available to spend.
Progress?..continuous incremental improvement works for me, or would you prefer we throw the towel in and not bother trying? | | | |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 18:41 - Aug 15 with 790 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 16:59 - Aug 15 by Northernr |
Well firstly agree that you can disagree away to your heart's content, it's not my site at all it belongs to all the users.
Secondly, it does sound like we have a broader range of views here if your assessment of the other boards is " most posters there seem pretty clear what the project is and seem to broadly support it".
Thirdly, if it was the case you're more likely to get interviews and access when you're "broadly supportive of the project" then that should be a big red flag and a concern to everybody.
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'it's not my site at all it belongs to all the users'
Where's my 1/5000th of the yacht then? |  | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 19:04 - Aug 15 with 736 views | hoopedmonkey |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 18:41 - Aug 15 by BazzaInTheLoft |
'it's not my site at all it belongs to all the users'
Where's my 1/5000th of the yacht then? |
The sites our's, the yachts Clive's. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 19:12 - Aug 15 with 669 views | CiderwithRsie |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 18:41 - Aug 15 by BazzaInTheLoft |
'it's not my site at all it belongs to all the users'
Where's my 1/5000th of the yacht then? |
I believe it's a pedalo on the Serpentine and we all get one hour and 40 minutes per year.
This year mine was at 3.30 a.m on a wet Tuesday night in February. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 19:24 - Aug 15 with 632 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 19:12 - Aug 15 by CiderwithRsie |
I believe it's a pedalo on the Serpentine and we all get one hour and 40 minutes per year.
This year mine was at 3.30 a.m on a wet Tuesday night in February. |
I was on after you.
Did you leave a yellow plastic duck behind? |  |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 19:27 - Aug 15 with 619 views | Northernr |
If you all fancy a share of moderating the message board, then you can have a go on the boat. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 19:31 - Aug 15 with 595 views | CiderwithRsie |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:48 - Aug 15 by Northernr |
One of the best things about the boss I've got now, and one of the reasons I've stayed with the company as long as I have, is because he makes strong, clear decisions, follows through with what he's said he will do, but if that turns out to be wrong he's not too pig headed and stubborn to stick with something that isn't working and he will put his hands up in front of the company and say "yeh, sorry, got that wrong". It's incredibly disarming, makes you warm to the guy immediately and want to work with him.
Again, it's communications. It would do Nourry the world of good with this support base if he did occasionally say "yeh, apologies, got that wrong and have learned from it".
They got last summer's recruitment wrong. We can all see that because we sat through last season. We can see that they know it, because this summer the recruitment is totally different. But instead of just saying "yeh, we made mistakes in our approach last summer, sorry about that, have learned from it" they're making out like it was always the plan to bring in some "more technical players" last year and then add pace, power, strength and EFL game smarts this summer. Everybody knows that's bolox, why pretend?
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Personally I try to ignore anything to do with Nourry, because I'm an old git and I don't want to have to care about what goes on off the pitch.
But reading this I suspect half the problem is Nourry's age.
With an old pro you know they have a track record, so you trust them to make good calls, and when they get it wrong it's easier for them to own up because they know no-one's perfect and have confidence in their own record.
With so little experience or track record to go on, Nourry's justification is his understanding of the theory. So he has to parade that all the time, every decision has to be justified as "part of the project", explained by reference to zones or whatever, statistics waved around.
I suspect that he'll also be reluctant to depart from the theory, because he doesn't have the experience to judge when it is best to do that. That's a weakness, let's hope it's not fatal and that he grows out of it. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 19:54 - Aug 15 with 534 views | mart_Goblin |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 16:55 - Aug 15 by Stainrod |
Not my intention to patronise, so apologies if that's how you interpreted it.
And I was being sincere in my praise for this site - in particular Clive's match reports. Many a dark hour supporting this club has been made a little more bearable thanks to his humour.
But what would be a little patronising, surely, would be if humble, ordinary posters like me were not allowed to disagree with Clive or ask why the tone on this site is generally more negative than elsewhere? My sense of Clive is he can can more than handle himself in a politely expressed exchange of views.
I do think Clive has blown up some relatively trivial negative events and put them on a par with what he himself acknowledges are the much bigger positive events taking place. The media team might be far more likely to grant Clive's interview request if they only knew he was actually such a supporter of "the project"!
But I am a guest on Clive's site and am not looking for rancour so happy to accept, as he says, there are a range of views.
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No worry’s .
Easy to get bogged down in this stuff when really all any of us really want to do is celebrate winning football matches.
In short , Clive beat me to it.
You answered your own question in a way.
You only get spoken to if you fall into line ?
And people wonder why others have concerns?
Lots of stuff known that can’t be said on here .
Maybe that’s why ‘trivial’ things are mentioned?
That’s all that can be mentioned perhaps?
Hunterhoop’s post on here earlier says so much
I’ll leave it there . It’s tiring really.
I love that pic of Bob Hazell .
One of my all time faves as a kid .
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 20:19 - Aug 15 with 487 views | Gus_iom |
In some ways it seems to me that Nourry is doing the hard parts well, and the easy parts badly. | |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 20:30 - Aug 15 with 459 views | Northernr |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 20:19 - Aug 15 by Gus_iom |
In some ways it seems to me that Nourry is doing the hard parts well, and the easy parts badly. |
That may well be getting stolen my friend. Great shout. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 20:37 - Aug 15 with 442 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 20:19 - Aug 15 by Gus_iom |
In some ways it seems to me that Nourry is doing the hard parts well, and the easy parts badly. |
Great line.
I'm not sure that I 100% agree with it as I think it's too soon to give Nourry too much credit for doing the hard parts well.....we will only be able to judge over time whether it's a success and how much it's cost.....but it's a cracking, cracking line!
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 21:18 - Aug 15 with 384 views | SW_Ranger |
When it comes to judging whether CN does a good job or not there is one thing you can guarantee … this is football and at some point you WILL fail. Chances are you very likely to lose your job and take the blame. Chances are you may even get compensation for your failure.
I hope before he fails he gets plenty of the good stuff done though.
Same goes for Julien too. Good luck mate (you do have more chance of compensation though to make the bitter pill sweeter) |  | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 21:22 - Aug 15 with 373 views | KensalT |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 19:27 - Aug 15 by Northernr |
If you all fancy a share of moderating the message board, then you can have a go on the boat. |
Yeah - one oar each!
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 21:44 - Aug 15 with 320 views | Hunterhoop |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 20:37 - Aug 15 by BrianMcCarthy |
Great line.
I'm not sure that I 100% agree with it as I think it's too soon to give Nourry too much credit for doing the hard parts well.....we will only be able to judge over time whether it's a success and how much it's cost.....but it's a cracking, cracking line!
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Quite. If our league position gradually improves this season and next, we find out we haven’t risked breaching FFP (or have actually breached it) to achieve that improvement, and, most importantly to the model, we have sold some players for some big money, all over the next couple of years, allowing us to reinvest further and improve the side, then we’ll know he’s done a good job. And if that all happens, fair play. Great job.
We know none of that now. The broader fan base only knows what Nourry wants them to know. And it’s too early to know whether those other things will be achieved. Hopefully they will be. But let’s not pat him on the pack before anything is achieved. Last season was the same finishing position as the prior year with a fairly chunky higher net outlay. So the same with more. Hopefully this season will be a lot more with the same! |  | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 22:00 - Aug 15 with 299 views | Stainrod |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 16:59 - Aug 15 by Northernr |
Well firstly agree that you can disagree away to your heart's content, it's not my site at all it belongs to all the users.
Secondly, it does sound like we have a broader range of views here if your assessment of the other boards is " most posters there seem pretty clear what the project is and seem to broadly support it".
Thirdly, if it was the case you're more likely to get interviews and access when you're "broadly supportive of the project" then that should be a big red flag and a concern to everybody.
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I think you are conveniently overlooking my main point but happy to let it rest. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 22:53 - Aug 15 with 224 views | wombat |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 15:07 - Aug 15 by QPRSam |
Well Wombat like you've said in a previous thread, you've made your mind up that the season is going to be a complete car crash, months before it even starts. So I'm not going to change your outlook on things. We could get promoted I think you'd still stick with that view.
I don't think there is a "We love Nourry camp" though. There's a camp that support QPR and are happy with the direction that the club is heading in. I'm excited by the restructure of the youth setup and increased involvement of youth players. Does that put me in the Chris Ramsey or Paul Furlong camp? I'm excited by the transfers this window, being able to sign Kone and Poku ahead of clubs with far bigger budgets than ours, does that put me in the Andy Belk camp?
This fixation of splitting up the fanbase into this side or that side. It's tedious to be honest. We're QPR and if some are optimistic because of all the positive signs shown so far and want to support the club, why the need to try ostracise them? |
Hello Sam had a feeling it would be you or James replying , from reading the pro nourry stuff it seems for the. He is bullett proof in what he does and dosnt do . Who’s fixated in splitting the fans up not me , I’ve used a few examples on it happening in the past and can see signs esp recently it’s being done again , similar posts from new acts basically saying the same thing but slightly differently each time . As I’ve said it’s good we are looking at players finally lie, poku kone egc but the neglect to mix them in with slightly older less saleable heads is the issue , as I’ve mentioned before it’s ok goi g shopping looking at pretty little ball players who might make us some money , hopefully in the future , but un,ess they are interested inot a semi successful side it’s unlikely they won’t succeed and show any high worth potential ,is that a good project or is it a slightly half arsed attempt at trying something that you have jotted down on the back of a beer mat , this game of the season still no sign of a starting left back by the way .
Lucky enough I suppose to have seen pretty much every attempt to reinvent the club in various guises , and all these years little with a small period of success in the early 80 this is where are now , hovering around lower to mid table in the championship yet again,
If and it’s. Huge if we was to get promoted I’d happily admit I’m wrong and not add all about football since I stopped playing g football manager all those years ago , with the p,Ayers. Ought in kone poku Burrell are good additions but with a disjointed squad holing them back yet again , I’m expecting a struggle , not negative not anti nourry just seeing what it’s in front of us and coming to that conclusion based on all of the above, looking forward to your or James usual reply |  |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? (n/t) on 23:16 - Aug 15 with 167 views | JamesB1979 |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 22:53 - Aug 15 by wombat |
Hello Sam had a feeling it would be you or James replying , from reading the pro nourry stuff it seems for the. He is bullett proof in what he does and dosnt do . Who’s fixated in splitting the fans up not me , I’ve used a few examples on it happening in the past and can see signs esp recently it’s being done again , similar posts from new acts basically saying the same thing but slightly differently each time . As I’ve said it’s good we are looking at players finally lie, poku kone egc but the neglect to mix them in with slightly older less saleable heads is the issue , as I’ve mentioned before it’s ok goi g shopping looking at pretty little ball players who might make us some money , hopefully in the future , but un,ess they are interested inot a semi successful side it’s unlikely they won’t succeed and show any high worth potential ,is that a good project or is it a slightly half arsed attempt at trying something that you have jotted down on the back of a beer mat , this game of the season still no sign of a starting left back by the way .
Lucky enough I suppose to have seen pretty much every attempt to reinvent the club in various guises , and all these years little with a small period of success in the early 80 this is where are now , hovering around lower to mid table in the championship yet again,
If and it’s. Huge if we was to get promoted I’d happily admit I’m wrong and not add all about football since I stopped playing g football manager all those years ago , with the p,Ayers. Ought in kone poku Burrell are good additions but with a disjointed squad holing them back yet again , I’m expecting a struggle , not negative not anti nourry just seeing what it’s in front of us and coming to that conclusion based on all of the above, looking forward to your or James usual reply |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 23:17 - Aug 15 with 163 views | stainrods_elbow |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 16:59 - Aug 15 by Northernr |
Well firstly agree that you can disagree away to your heart's content, it's not my site at all it belongs to all the users.
Secondly, it does sound like we have a broader range of views here if your assessment of the other boards is " most posters there seem pretty clear what the project is and seem to broadly support it".
Thirdly, if it was the case you're more likely to get interviews and access when you're "broadly supportive of the project" then that should be a big red flag and a concern to everybody.
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Albeit not a site where's one is allowed to constructively criticise neophyte writers (on pain of having one's account revoked) - and on the basis that's the only way any writer improves.
Just saying, for the record. [Post edited 15 Aug 23:21]
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