| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? 23:15 - Aug 12 with 23441 views | HammersmithR |
We keep hearing the word ‘project’. What exactly is the project? Is is simply to play Nourry’s players that his computer has identified. Younger the better? And this is irrespective of how the actual team performs? If this is the case, then the fans will lose patience very quickly. Football is a results business. No one has explained the definition of Nourry’s project. Really struggling to warm to the guy. It’s like he’s using the club for his version of Football Manager. Stephan is clearly being told by above what to do and who should play. |  | | |  |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 13:29 - Aug 14 with 1992 views | hantssi |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:59 - Aug 14 by Northolt_Rs |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:00 - Aug 14 with 1890 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 20:01 - Aug 13 by ChrisNW6 |
So have we all agreed on....'Be more like Brentford' as the name of the project/plan? |
And Brentford don't care about the cups either, which is ironic considering for the past 4 season people have been saying we should be more like them!
In the past 20 years, Brentford have reached FA Cup 5th round once.
The League Cup QF twice, SF once, all achieved since promotion.
A bit like us in 80s/90s. | |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:07 - Aug 14 with 1868 views | QPR_Jim |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 12:33 - Aug 14 by nix |
The thing is though, the season after Brentford were spending £5 million on Ivan Toney (67 goals in 128 games and a £40 million transfer fee) we were spending the crown jewels on Andre Gray, Stefan Johanson, Charlie Austin, Lee Wallace and Jeff Hendricks. None had any development potential or resale value. This stuffed us for a couple of FFP seasons as well as not providing upside in that season. Les might've voiced his commitment to youth but he didn't really commit to it as we are now. I think it's disingenuous to suggest there's been no change.
Your other points are all fair. Balance and injuries are big issues. Personally I don't think transparency about all aspects of the club is not always desirable and where it is I don't see it as quite the issue you do but respect your opinion. |
Wasn't that the whole point about Les and Warburton falling out. Manager wanted wise heads to shore up the short term and DoF wanted to stick to the strategy (and play some of our younger players) but the DoF was overruled by the owners?
If Nourry has managed to stop the interference from the owners that usually ended up with an Ainsworth or Mclaren appointment, or even if they've just got fed up and are now leaving it to him, I sense that would be a real change for the clubs strategy. |  | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:08 - Aug 14 with 1866 views | simmo |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 19:12 - Aug 13 by WokingR |
So why didn’t you say that at the start?
That could have saved 2 full pages |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:55 - Aug 14 with 1763 views | cheeseydane |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 12:53 - Aug 14 by loftus77 |
Don't be so ridiculous. Get with the programme...sorry...project. |
Programme????
I was already confused whether it was a project or a plan.
I need a drink. |  |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 20:40 - Aug 14 with 1624 views | Rsole |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 14:55 - Aug 14 by cheeseydane |
Programme????
I was already confused whether it was a project or a plan.
I need a drink. |
Project ….. Plan ….. Programme ….. Process
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 20:52 - Aug 14 with 1608 views | Burnleyhoop |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:16 - Aug 14 by Hunterhoop |
It is good to have a plan. Call it a project if you want.
I think most, even those critical of Nourry, agree the “plan” is correct. It’s not dissimilar to the plan voiced by Les (development club, buy low, sell high, become sustainable, data based - Belk was hired years ago by Les, etc). As Dave Mc says, there isn’t anything particularly new about this project/plan.
The whole debate is about HOW it is executed (as Kensal alludes to). That is where many of us have concerns over Nourry. We’d like to see more transparency, more pragmatism, more balance in the execution, and accountability (*Ben Williams). That’s all missing currently. And it doesn’t need to be. Indeed if you want to create unity and momentum across the club or an organisation you would typically over communicate, and strive to make all those things clear. The fact we don’t gets peoples’ spider senses tingling. That a number of first and second hand stories many of us have been told that worry us at the the character of Nourry and Ben Williams.
There is also a small angle that some of us feel by the plan is too extreme in terms of balancing the today with jam tomorrow. Personally, I think creating a winning culture is by far the most effective way to develop players and make them valuable. The more we win this year and next, the more valuable Kone and Poku will be. Same goes for any DS lads who fill in occassionally in a winning team. As I’ve said I’d like the plan to be a little more balanced.
But the concept of buy low, sell high, especially from the lower leagues, has literally been the QPR plan for the last decade (failed because the big signings failed), and all through the late 80s and 90s. Who actually disagrees with it? I felt Nourry did a bad job of it last summer, but looks to be doing an excellent job this summer. We’ll find out in a couple of years though.
But how we execute the overall plan can and should change. Again, few should really disagree with that. |
Les did indeed allude to the strategic plan of development of youth, buy low etc etc. But he and the club kept falling into the trap of allowing successive managers to dictate which players were brought in and the development squad became all but meaningless, with players hanging around for years with absolutely no chance of ever getting near the first team. Project shelved again.
Someone needed to get a grip of both elements of how the club was operating as there is no doubt we were heading into a death spiral.
Nourry has overseen the change required. He has made mistakes and will make many more. His communication leaves a lot to be desired, but both the first team and the development squad have made significant progress from where we were before he came.
As fans we are not privy to everything that goes on behind the scenes and the club is not required to give us daily updates on each and every decision made. What you or I or any fan prefers or likes is largely irrelevant. Opinions are fine, we all have them, but fundamentally we are very much moving in the right direction and anyone who believes otherwise isn’t looking properly. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 22:12 - Aug 14 with 1516 views | wombat |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 20:52 - Aug 14 by Burnleyhoop |
Les did indeed allude to the strategic plan of development of youth, buy low etc etc. But he and the club kept falling into the trap of allowing successive managers to dictate which players were brought in and the development squad became all but meaningless, with players hanging around for years with absolutely no chance of ever getting near the first team. Project shelved again.
Someone needed to get a grip of both elements of how the club was operating as there is no doubt we were heading into a death spiral.
Nourry has overseen the change required. He has made mistakes and will make many more. His communication leaves a lot to be desired, but both the first team and the development squad have made significant progress from where we were before he came.
As fans we are not privy to everything that goes on behind the scenes and the club is not required to give us daily updates on each and every decision made. What you or I or any fan prefers or likes is largely irrelevant. Opinions are fine, we all have them, but fundamentally we are very much moving in the right direction and anyone who believes otherwise isn’t looking properly. |
One thing which has come up a few times which seemed to be issue for nourry was marti didn’t handle the three game weeks programme well.even when half the time. He barely had enough players ,is the programme when we do have these three game weeks that the same side as played at Plymouth will be brought in for the cold to play one of the games? If that the programme ?
I’d hope not as I like to see my fav players as much as possible |  |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 07:45 - Aug 15 with 1365 views | Burnleyhoop |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 22:12 - Aug 14 by wombat |
One thing which has come up a few times which seemed to be issue for nourry was marti didn’t handle the three game weeks programme well.even when half the time. He barely had enough players ,is the programme when we do have these three game weeks that the same side as played at Plymouth will be brought in for the cold to play one of the games? If that the programme ?
I’d hope not as I like to see my fav players as much as possible |
I would “like” to see my favourite players every week and I would prefer if we won more often, but when you are trying to build and develop from the ground up you have to expect problems and failures along the way.
As long as it is clear we are seeing incremental improvement and a steadfast resolve to stick to a robust, well thought out strategy, I will bite my lip if we get mullered occasionally.
My lip is still bleeding from Tuesday night, but I prefer to look forward than lose my shit over it. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:15 - Aug 15 with 1309 views | Hunterhoop |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 20:52 - Aug 14 by Burnleyhoop |
Les did indeed allude to the strategic plan of development of youth, buy low etc etc. But he and the club kept falling into the trap of allowing successive managers to dictate which players were brought in and the development squad became all but meaningless, with players hanging around for years with absolutely no chance of ever getting near the first team. Project shelved again.
Someone needed to get a grip of both elements of how the club was operating as there is no doubt we were heading into a death spiral.
Nourry has overseen the change required. He has made mistakes and will make many more. His communication leaves a lot to be desired, but both the first team and the development squad have made significant progress from where we were before he came.
As fans we are not privy to everything that goes on behind the scenes and the club is not required to give us daily updates on each and every decision made. What you or I or any fan prefers or likes is largely irrelevant. Opinions are fine, we all have them, but fundamentally we are very much moving in the right direction and anyone who believes otherwise isn’t looking properly. |
How can you possibly say “opinions are fine” and then proclaim your opinion to be fact?!
I sincerely hope we are moving in the right direction. I sincerely hope the plan/project is executed well. But it is FAR too early to tell. Last season we finished in the same position as the season before but with a likely bigger budget than that prior year (the accounts in March will confirm our financial position for last season). This season we have played two games. Yes, we have made some nice looking signings, but that’s all they are for now. Lots of water to pass under the bridge. If Eze is sold again, the additional income (obtained by the previous regime) really should mean we finish much higher this season and next. Let’s see. It’s a bit silly to proclaim as fact something that is far too early to judge. |  | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:34 - Aug 15 with 1252 views | GaryBannister86 |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 20:52 - Aug 14 by Burnleyhoop |
Les did indeed allude to the strategic plan of development of youth, buy low etc etc. But he and the club kept falling into the trap of allowing successive managers to dictate which players were brought in and the development squad became all but meaningless, with players hanging around for years with absolutely no chance of ever getting near the first team. Project shelved again.
Someone needed to get a grip of both elements of how the club was operating as there is no doubt we were heading into a death spiral.
Nourry has overseen the change required. He has made mistakes and will make many more. His communication leaves a lot to be desired, but both the first team and the development squad have made significant progress from where we were before he came.
As fans we are not privy to everything that goes on behind the scenes and the club is not required to give us daily updates on each and every decision made. What you or I or any fan prefers or likes is largely irrelevant. Opinions are fine, we all have them, but fundamentally we are very much moving in the right direction and anyone who believes otherwise isn’t looking properly. |
"fundamentally we are very much moving in the right direction and anyone who believes otherwise isn’t looking properly"
Big shout, that I reckon. How can you be so certain? What I can also see is that:
> we've just gone out of the 1st round of the cup, again - basically deliberately
> we are completely riddled with injuries
> seemingly every time a player gets some form, their leg explodes
> we failed to keep hold of an excellent manager
> we've made some signings from League One that may well work out. History may argue otherwise.
You may be right about the project, and I hope you are.
I don't mind the concept about the project, but it is too far skewed in favour of Nourry (and indeed the players) furnishing their own CVs rather than achieving anything for our own football club in my opinion. Why did Kone join us rather than Leicester? To win promotion with QPR or .... to get a transfer to the PL?
I'm old fashioned, past it, out of touch, I know. But I support QPR in the dream of us winning things, not cheering on an improved P&L balance sheet. Of course I want the club to be there in the future for my son and his kids, yes, but I always think that is overblown. We're a proper-sized football club with a large latent support, we will get through things if need be.
When I was at Uni in the 90s there was a guy in our halls who was a Wimbledon fan. He got pelters from me as he drew up a chart of all the players they had sold and the profit they had got from them and stuck it proudly on his wall, whilst I was sticking up pictures of us winning at Highbury, Old Trafford, Goodison Park. How I laughed at him.
Oh, I see the irony now. |  | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:40 - Aug 15 with 1225 views | JamesB1979 |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:34 - Aug 15 by GaryBannister86 |
"fundamentally we are very much moving in the right direction and anyone who believes otherwise isn’t looking properly"
Big shout, that I reckon. How can you be so certain? What I can also see is that:
> we've just gone out of the 1st round of the cup, again - basically deliberately
> we are completely riddled with injuries
> seemingly every time a player gets some form, their leg explodes
> we failed to keep hold of an excellent manager
> we've made some signings from League One that may well work out. History may argue otherwise.
You may be right about the project, and I hope you are.
I don't mind the concept about the project, but it is too far skewed in favour of Nourry (and indeed the players) furnishing their own CVs rather than achieving anything for our own football club in my opinion. Why did Kone join us rather than Leicester? To win promotion with QPR or .... to get a transfer to the PL?
I'm old fashioned, past it, out of touch, I know. But I support QPR in the dream of us winning things, not cheering on an improved P&L balance sheet. Of course I want the club to be there in the future for my son and his kids, yes, but I always think that is overblown. We're a proper-sized football club with a large latent support, we will get through things if need be.
When I was at Uni in the 90s there was a guy in our halls who was a Wimbledon fan. He got pelters from me as he drew up a chart of all the players they had sold and the profit they had got from them and stuck it proudly on his wall, whilst I was sticking up pictures of us winning at Highbury, Old Trafford, Goodison Park. How I laughed at him.
Oh, I see the irony now. |
Which injuries can we blame club for? Poku for sure. But not sure any of the others. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:41 - Aug 15 with 1217 views | GaryBannister86 |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:40 - Aug 15 by JamesB1979 |
Which injuries can we blame club for? Poku for sure. But not sure any of the others. |
I don't think you can blame a specific injury on the club - but surely the sheer volume and regularity of them, can't just be put down to bad luck? | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:57 - Aug 15 with 1172 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:41 - Aug 15 by GaryBannister86 |
I don't think you can blame a specific injury on the club - but surely the sheer volume and regularity of them, can't just be put down to bad luck? |
In some cases, JCS for example, we’ve only got them on our books because they are injury prone.
If JCS was fully fit 100% of the time he’d be playing for a bottom half Premiership side. |  | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:02 - Aug 15 with 1156 views | JamesB1979 |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:41 - Aug 15 by GaryBannister86 |
I don't think you can blame a specific injury on the club - but surely the sheer volume and regularity of them, can't just be put down to bad luck? |
What else can explain ACL, knock to foot, hip injury and concussion? I’m not sure what you can do to avoid having these issues. Unless of course Larkeche had ACL issues before and Dunne had hip issues? Don’t know to be honest. Dunne basically has always been available since he’s been here. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:05 - Aug 15 with 1133 views | GaryBannister86 |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:02 - Aug 15 by JamesB1979 |
What else can explain ACL, knock to foot, hip injury and concussion? I’m not sure what you can do to avoid having these issues. Unless of course Larkeche had ACL issues before and Dunne had hip issues? Don’t know to be honest. Dunne basically has always been available since he’s been here. |
Sure, but I wasn't really blaming the club that much for those anyway. The oft-trotted line that if they were fully functioning, they wouldn't be with us - rings true. We've found some gems like Field in this way.
What I am saying is that it is a big call to say that all is rosy with our plan and the current situation when we are totally blighted with injuries, yet again. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:14 - Aug 15 with 1088 views | JamesB1979 |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:05 - Aug 15 by GaryBannister86 |
Sure, but I wasn't really blaming the club that much for those anyway. The oft-trotted line that if they were fully functioning, they wouldn't be with us - rings true. We've found some gems like Field in this way.
What I am saying is that it is a big call to say that all is rosy with our plan and the current situation when we are totally blighted with injuries, yet again. |
For me the plan isn’t rosy as we need the first team to do well and we’ve only had 1 league game and we finished bottom half last season. Need to improve on that. I will be more sympathetic if team underperforms if we have injuries such as Larkeche one. However, muscle injuries like Poku, no, sorry you need to prepare them better and rotate them more. My point is I don’t see injuries as whether plan is working or not. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:15 - Aug 15 with 1085 views | nix |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:34 - Aug 15 by GaryBannister86 |
"fundamentally we are very much moving in the right direction and anyone who believes otherwise isn’t looking properly"
Big shout, that I reckon. How can you be so certain? What I can also see is that:
> we've just gone out of the 1st round of the cup, again - basically deliberately
> we are completely riddled with injuries
> seemingly every time a player gets some form, their leg explodes
> we failed to keep hold of an excellent manager
> we've made some signings from League One that may well work out. History may argue otherwise.
You may be right about the project, and I hope you are.
I don't mind the concept about the project, but it is too far skewed in favour of Nourry (and indeed the players) furnishing their own CVs rather than achieving anything for our own football club in my opinion. Why did Kone join us rather than Leicester? To win promotion with QPR or .... to get a transfer to the PL?
I'm old fashioned, past it, out of touch, I know. But I support QPR in the dream of us winning things, not cheering on an improved P&L balance sheet. Of course I want the club to be there in the future for my son and his kids, yes, but I always think that is overblown. We're a proper-sized football club with a large latent support, we will get through things if need be.
When I was at Uni in the 90s there was a guy in our halls who was a Wimbledon fan. He got pelters from me as he drew up a chart of all the players they had sold and the profit they had got from them and stuck it proudly on his wall, whilst I was sticking up pictures of us winning at Highbury, Old Trafford, Goodison Park. How I laughed at him.
Oh, I see the irony now. |
When you said you thought you were out of touch I thought you must be in your 70s at least but from when you went to Uni you must be younger than me and I prefer to look forward than hanker after the old days.
As for your Wimbledon story we could equally imagine a Fulham fan having listened to our shiny new Rob Green and Cesar signings in the past and laughing at us now.
> we've just gone out of the 1st round of the cup, again - basically deliberately
- yep been done to death. So's Middlesboro, Portsmouth, Watford and your excellent manager's team Leicester.
> we are completely riddled with injuries. True and unacceptable.
> seemingly every time a player gets some form, their leg explodes. Legs exploding is not a recent development: Faurlin, Langley, Amos, Willock, Gallen.
> we failed to keep hold of an excellent manager. He was ambitious and wanted a bigger stage. It's whhy he came to us too.
> we've made some signings from League One that may well work out. History may argue otherwise. Well it may do and your assumption is that it will. The fact that other teams wanted these players is relevant here. How often have they gone somewhere else like Steve Cook or Kieffer Moore. Don't get why you see it as a negative that players with potential want to come to us. Transfers are never guaranteed successes. But if you can't see the difference between Burrell and Poku and say Bonne and Conor Washington then we're watching a different game.
How are we going to win things without decent players? We haven't got the budget for Jay Stanfield. So we HAVE to get younger players with potential. People moaned about us not seeing the potential of Edwards at Peterborough and now we're trying to do that with Mbengue and now you're complaining that they're only coming to us en route to the Prem. That's a GOOD thing if it means we get money for them which we reinvest.
If I never see another overweight, lazy old-timer coming here for their last payday I'll be delighted. Keen, still enthusiastic Steve-Cook types great. We definitely need a blend of youth and experience. [Post edited 15 Aug 9:18]
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:21 - Aug 15 with 1029 views | GaryBannister86 |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:15 - Aug 15 by nix |
When you said you thought you were out of touch I thought you must be in your 70s at least but from when you went to Uni you must be younger than me and I prefer to look forward than hanker after the old days.
As for your Wimbledon story we could equally imagine a Fulham fan having listened to our shiny new Rob Green and Cesar signings in the past and laughing at us now.
> we've just gone out of the 1st round of the cup, again - basically deliberately
- yep been done to death. So's Middlesboro, Portsmouth, Watford and your excellent manager's team Leicester.
> we are completely riddled with injuries. True and unacceptable.
> seemingly every time a player gets some form, their leg explodes. Legs exploding is not a recent development: Faurlin, Langley, Amos, Willock, Gallen.
> we failed to keep hold of an excellent manager. He was ambitious and wanted a bigger stage. It's whhy he came to us too.
> we've made some signings from League One that may well work out. History may argue otherwise. Well it may do and your assumption is that it will. The fact that other teams wanted these players is relevant here. How often have they gone somewhere else like Steve Cook or Kieffer Moore. Don't get why you see it as a negative that players with potential want to come to us. Transfers are never guaranteed successes. But if you can't see the difference between Burrell and Poku and say Bonne and Conor Washington then we're watching a different game.
How are we going to win things without decent players? We haven't got the budget for Jay Stanfield. So we HAVE to get younger players with potential. People moaned about us not seeing the potential of Edwards at Peterborough and now we're trying to do that with Mbengue and now you're complaining that they're only coming to us en route to the Prem. That's a GOOD thing if it means we get money for them which we reinvest.
If I never see another overweight, lazy old-timer coming here for their last payday I'll be delighted. Keen, still enthusiastic Steve-Cook types great. We definitely need a blend of youth and experience. [Post edited 15 Aug 9:18]
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Totally fair points, I get it. But you say "if you get can't see the difference between Burrell and Poku and say Bonne and Conor Washington then we're watching a different game."
True, but on the other hand, after a couple of games we were all saying similar about Bonne and Washington.
Right now, I am totally excited about Burrell, Poku and Kone. Having supported QPR for 50 years, I fear the key is if we are still excited in January.
And of course it is a positive that Kone joined us. We have to spin him a story to get that to happen. I am stuck in the past in that I want him to win things with us, not turn a profit. I guess you are right, I have to move on! | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:22 - Aug 15 with 1029 views | Northernr |
We were talking post Plymouth about this and I think this thread is quite illustrative of it.
What they're doing is fundamentally right, but the way they talk about it or go about it is often quite wnky.
Simmo said it brilliantly higher up - would you rather we didn't have a plan at all? A really clear plan and sticking to it is what this club has needed for a long time, rather than flip flopping around. Oh we're a development club, but sure Mick you can bring Leon Balogun in.
Nourry is totally right - we only get out of this purgatory by greatly increasing revenue and we only do that with a new stadium (or big LR development) or significant, regular, large player sales. So his approach is fundamentally right. But constantly going around talking about your "project", and sticking a line in every signing piece saying "Christian showed me the project" is quite wnky. And if we go on a bad run of results you'll hear people start signing "we're not a fcking project" as has happened in the past.
Making a signing, fundamentally right. Telling people the signing is "adept at progressing the ball through zones two and three", quite wnky.
Having somebody ensuring joined up thinking through the age group teams so we haven't got an U18 coach playing 4-4-2 long ball football when the U21s and the first team don't play that way - fundamentally right. Calling that person the "head of methodology" - quite wnky.
Giving youngsters a first team chance, taking first teamers out of the firing line during an injury crisis, fundamentally right. Losing a cup game you were winning 2-0 because you want to performatively get some 16 year olds on, when you had other more established development squad players you could have used instead, quite wnky.
As with so much since Nourry took over, it's often a communication issue. Much of what Ben Williams said at the forum was interesting, and made sense. But what have people remembered? The wnky and patronising "sorry your favourite player wasn't available" comment. The rest of the content has been lost. It put people's backs up, and now all the players are injured again knives are out.
It's also why you see this divide between the younger demographic on social media and the older demographic on here. Comments like "progressing through zones two and three" play really well with the U30s, they see it as "elite ball knowledge". The over 40s think "oh shut up will ya".
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:27 - Aug 15 with 985 views | SW_Ranger |
Football is so far removed from what it was when many here followed an entertainment and club fanatic approach to watching football. Now we have totally crazy monetary values thrown around and ridiculous fees and wages to control. It is, like it or not, now an entertainment business - with so much more emphasis than we would like on business.
In the non-football world we have all dealt with the same issues - equipment breaks down; bosses give us stupid implementations, make stupid statements and also take the tough decisions to be shot down. Sometimes we lose our best assets and have to recover; sometimes we suffer poor quality materials. It doesn’t mean any of the team involved are trying to set up to fail, it’s just dealing with problems. Nobody goes along without set-backs or challenges; nobody goes along without making a bad decision or two; nobody wants to fail at their job. All you want to do is have a plan and see yourself moving forwards towards it - even if that might not be at the pace you always wanted.
Most annoying is someone telling you a plan and then not showing they are following it, while expecting you to. You could put that analogy to the Les era (and I am a big fan of Les) telling us one thing and doing another - IF he allowed himself to say those things and he didn’t manage up/down to follow it, he has to take some heat for that (and I feel he was given a lot of fan leeway because he was revered by our fan base).
You may like or loathe Nourry but he has said what he means to do and is doing it - WITH the set-backs and challenges. He is, at least, making the decisions based on the plan. He also has tens of thousands ready to pounce on his every minute action. That’s the post he took up, so he knew what he was getting into. He made a decision when an important employee made it clear he was going to leave and protected the club while they found a replacement. He seems to be trying to put the building blocks in place to improve the team each year - hey, some decisions work, some don’t, every business, sorry club, deals with that.
I didn’t like the Plymouth team decision either but did laugh that those young boys were part of going 2-0 up. I feared they would wain in the second half and there was no depth to protect our lead. We lost. Decisions made. Criticism was bound to follow.
Tomorrow is another day. We will all look to see how our new team is coming together in this plan but there’s a way to go yet before we start tearing down the walls and trying to put heads on pikes.
To me, there really does seem to be a plan. Bringing in players to the first team squad to improve positions (LB pleeeease!). Bringing in DS players with real potential to actually break into the first team and excel (it’s been a long time coming!!). I definitely expect there to be some more poor decisions, I do want to see us slowly improve and not give up another plan (or not stick to it) as has happened before. Still love my club though and I’ll take the bumps along the way; I’m used to it. I’m looking forward to see how this season runs. Come on u Rrrrrs. [Post edited 15 Aug 9:44]
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:31 - Aug 15 with 957 views | Northernr |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:27 - Aug 15 by SW_Ranger |
Football is so far removed from what it was when many here followed an entertainment and club fanatic approach to watching football. Now we have totally crazy monetary values thrown around and ridiculous fees and wages to control. It is, like it or not, now an entertainment business - with so much more emphasis than we would like on business.
In the non-football world we have all dealt with the same issues - equipment breaks down; bosses give us stupid implementations, make stupid statements and also take the tough decisions to be shot down. Sometimes we lose our best assets and have to recover; sometimes we suffer poor quality materials. It doesn’t mean any of the team involved are trying to set up to fail, it’s just dealing with problems. Nobody goes along without set-backs or challenges; nobody goes along without making a bad decision or two; nobody wants to fail at their job. All you want to do is have a plan and see yourself moving forwards towards it - even if that might not be at the pace you always wanted.
Most annoying is someone telling you a plan and then not showing they are following it, while expecting you to. You could put that analogy to the Les era (and I am a big fan of Les) telling us one thing and doing another - IF he allowed himself to say those things and he didn’t manage up/down to follow it, he has to take some heat for that (and I feel he was given a lot of fan leeway because he was revered by our fan base).
You may like or loathe Nourry but he has said what he means to do and is doing it - WITH the set-backs and challenges. He is, at least, making the decisions based on the plan. He also has tens of thousands ready to pounce on his every minute action. That’s the post he took up, so he knew what he was getting into. He made a decision when an important employee made it clear he was going to leave and protected the club while they found a replacement. He seems to be trying to put the building blocks in place to improve the team each year - hey, some decisions work, some don’t, every business, sorry club, deals with that.
I didn’t like the Plymouth team decision either but did laugh that those young boys were part of going 2-0 up. I feared they would wain in the second half and there was no depth to protect our lead. We lost. Decisions made. Criticism was bound to follow.
Tomorrow is another day. We will all look to see how our new team is coming together in this plan but there’s a way to go yet before we start tearing down the walls and trying to put heads on pikes.
To me, there really does seem to be a plan. Bringing in players to the first team squad to improve positions (LB pleeeease!). Bringing in DS players with real potential to actually break into the first team and excel (it’s been a long time coming!!). I definitely expect there to be some more poor decisions, I do want to see us slowly improve and not give up another plan (or not stick to it) as has happened before. Still love my club though and I’ll take the bumps along the way; I’m used to it. I’m looking forward to see how this season runs. Come on u Rrrrrs. [Post edited 15 Aug 9:44]
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It's a great post. It would help them in this if they were able to put their hand up occasionally to those mistakes you talk about. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:37 - Aug 15 with 899 views | wombat |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 07:45 - Aug 15 by Burnleyhoop |
I would “like” to see my favourite players every week and I would prefer if we won more often, but when you are trying to build and develop from the ground up you have to expect problems and failures along the way.
As long as it is clear we are seeing incremental improvement and a steadfast resolve to stick to a robust, well thought out strategy, I will bite my lip if we get mullered occasionally.
My lip is still bleeding from Tuesday night, but I prefer to look forward than lose my shit over it. |
whats improvement though ?
15th ? im actually ok with the result tuesday didnt expect us to put anything close to a first team out , so was amazed when we went two nil up like everyone else there ,
id say when things do go pete tong and its Rangers so it will go pete tong as it always does , thats going to really test our new ceo , hes had one test so far and lets be honest made a full pigs ear of that for no reason atall apart from him exercising power . hes made some supprisinlgy good signings but the areas which have been weak are still weak , left back central midfield as usual , hopefully hadyn comes in and also saito and a LEFT BACK ! | |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:39 - Aug 15 with 893 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I’d always assumed under Les that it was others that weren’t adhering to the project, not him.
Warburton leaving an empty space on the bench (instead of picking a YTS) for example, or the board signing Austin and Johansen. Or appointing Ainsworth.
Feels like things improve when the board let football people* get on with it. [Post edited 15 Aug 9:46]
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:41 - Aug 15 with 876 views | wombat |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:14 - Aug 15 by JamesB1979 |
For me the plan isn’t rosy as we need the first team to do well and we’ve only had 1 league game and we finished bottom half last season. Need to improve on that. I will be more sympathetic if team underperforms if we have injuries such as Larkeche one. However, muscle injuries like Poku, no, sorry you need to prepare them better and rotate them more. My point is I don’t see injuries as whether plan is working or not. |
you cant rotate when u dont have players who you can rotate with , we found out one thing tuesday some of the so called ballers badly need to see reg action some need some decent meals as well to build them up also. | |
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