| Where Is The Money Coming From? 10:19 - Aug 15 with 3056 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I’m not complaining too much, because we’ve made some good signings in my opinion, but two years ago we were playing Drewe and Gubbins because we were skint.
What’s changed? Is it a new FFP cycle or something? Or are we already leaning into the potential Eze money?
This is always a niggling doubt for me. |  | | |  |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 10:37 - Aug 15 with 2417 views | PlanetHonneywood |
We've taken an advance on the Kone sell on clause. |  |
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| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 10:47 - Aug 15 with 2330 views | PhilmyRs |
Yeah, I'd been wondering this too.
I did hear a few murmurings that the profit and loss stuff was going to be relaxed or even stopped permanently and so not sure if some teams are jumping the gun a bit? I do think with some of our signings though they will be assets which get a decent sell on, so potentially if we need to in January, one or two could be moved on to balance the books. That, or the owners have the Eze page number 100 written and ready to post with positive news to report. |  | | |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 11:01 - Aug 15 with 2234 views | simmo |
Could also be that the risk is calculated considering we have Varane, Chair, Field, Dembele, Poku, Kone, Dunne, Mbengue, Morrison, etc all as sellable assets that we can probably move for money at any point within the next FFP window.
We know our intention is to sell often, even without the Eze money that's decent sell on potential. |  |
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| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 11:02 - Aug 15 with 2216 views | loftus77 |
Bitcoin - our CEO is on it. | | | |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 11:03 - Aug 15 with 2195 views | QPRSam |
Hopefully we're being compensated handsomely for all these lunchtime kickoffs. I'd imagine Kelman money mostly paid for Kone also | | | |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 11:04 - Aug 15 with 2176 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 11:01 - Aug 15 by simmo |
Could also be that the risk is calculated considering we have Varane, Chair, Field, Dembele, Poku, Kone, Dunne, Mbengue, Morrison, etc all as sellable assets that we can probably move for money at any point within the next FFP window.
We know our intention is to sell often, even without the Eze money that's decent sell on potential. |
If it's this, it's like seeing salmon in the Thames isn't it.
A good sign that the 'project' is working. | | | |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 11:07 - Aug 15 with 2126 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 10:47 - Aug 15 by PhilmyRs |
Yeah, I'd been wondering this too.
I did hear a few murmurings that the profit and loss stuff was going to be relaxed or even stopped permanently and so not sure if some teams are jumping the gun a bit? I do think with some of our signings though they will be assets which get a decent sell on, so potentially if we need to in January, one or two could be moved on to balance the books. That, or the owners have the Eze page number 100 written and ready to post with positive news to report. |
I hope it isn't this.
It's needed more than ever IMO. | | | |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 11:24 - Aug 15 with 1979 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
The increased TV money, the stands/ground/training facility sponsorship, the tie ins that keep being announced. They would have had a significant impact.
Coming out of FFP cockup with Johansen/Austin.
Big reduction in wages.
We also haven't spent much on transfer before this Sumner for the past few years. Maybe Varane.
I had heard there was quite a bit more money than we assumed. | |
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| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 11:25 - Aug 15 with 1973 views | DWQPR |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 11:07 - Aug 15 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I hope it isn't this.
It's needed more than ever IMO. |
I believe that the FFP headroom is being increased as it has remained at £39million losses on a rolling three year period for years and has not taken into account inflation. In addition to this the new TV deal for the EFL and also PL which provides some funding for the EFL has increased revenue. Then you can take into account the getting rid of a load of DS players from last season who must collectively been paid too much for very little and also the release of Colback and Fox.
It also seems that the club is taking a leaf from North Battersea book of buying young players, plus those released from PL academies. Develop these players including the likes of Poku and Kone and sell them on for a good profit. Making sure also that they have a decent length of contract which more and more appeal to players as it gives them greater security. Transfer fees on the balance sheet are spread over the term of the contract and the sale of the player appears on the balance sheet instantaneously. So the sale of Kelman is a £3m credit and the purchase of Burrell if the fee was £1.3m with a five year contract would show as a £260k debit. So we would still have a net credit of £2.74m based on those two transactions. | |
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| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 11:55 - Aug 15 with 1807 views | CateLeBonR |
I think at the fans forum Christian Nourry mentioned that the rules could be changing in the next year or two, to something more like what they use in League 1. I’m not sure if that would help us or not. Also I’d be surprised if this is our final squad for the season, there’s plenty of time for more ins/outs before the window closes. |  | | |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 11:56 - Aug 15 with 1793 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 11:01 - Aug 15 by simmo |
Could also be that the risk is calculated considering we have Varane, Chair, Field, Dembele, Poku, Kone, Dunne, Mbengue, Morrison, etc all as sellable assets that we can probably move for money at any point within the next FFP window.
We know our intention is to sell often, even without the Eze money that's decent sell on potential. |
Hope it's not this, and - if Hoos is at all involved, I doubt that it is.
Hoos knows better than anyone that's it always been our intention to sell, and he also knows that it's rarely worked out.
Betting the financial future of the club on it would be shockingly irresponsible. |  |
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| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 12:05 - Aug 15 with 1702 views | francisbowles |
Wilkins has summed it up nicely imho.
Additionally, there should be room, every season, in the FFP allowable for transfer and signing on fees. So unless we overspent that part of the budget in the last two seasons, there will be some available on top of the items laid out in Wilkins post. | | | |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 12:10 - Aug 15 with 1634 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 11:56 - Aug 15 by BrianMcCarthy |
Hope it's not this, and - if Hoos is at all involved, I doubt that it is.
Hoos knows better than anyone that's it always been our intention to sell, and he also knows that it's rarely worked out.
Betting the financial future of the club on it would be shockingly irresponsible. |
I got so blinded by the point that we might have sellable assets that I hadn't considered this properly. | | | |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 12:22 - Aug 15 with 1552 views | Lblock |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 11:24 - Aug 15 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
The increased TV money, the stands/ground/training facility sponsorship, the tie ins that keep being announced. They would have had a significant impact.
Coming out of FFP cockup with Johansen/Austin.
Big reduction in wages.
We also haven't spent much on transfer before this Sumner for the past few years. Maybe Varane.
I had heard there was quite a bit more money than we assumed. |
I'd been saying for years these owners weren't circumventing the rules enough.... in their defence that's probably because they threw the rulebook out the window before and got burned badly.
However, glad to see everything being sponsored, monetised etc.
I have no idea if football finances can also be "hedged" but I'd assume they can.
We could, and I stress could, be valuing the Eze sell on money.... it would be reckless accounting but is possible I'd say.
The good thing is the club seem to focusing on players who can actually run around a bit and I hope we can shake off this "if there wasn't something wrong with him he wouldn't be here" attitude.
Buy yourself a decent car for your budget and use it.
No point taking a punt on one that's got a history of breaking down and spends most of the time in the drive meaning you're relying on Ubers etc. [Post edited 15 Aug 14:50]
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| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 12:29 - Aug 15 with 1520 views | simmo |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 11:56 - Aug 15 by BrianMcCarthy |
Hope it's not this, and - if Hoos is at all involved, I doubt that it is.
Hoos knows better than anyone that's it always been our intention to sell, and he also knows that it's rarely worked out.
Betting the financial future of the club on it would be shockingly irresponsible. |
Overall I agree, it could just be a factor considering the bulk of our spend has come in the last 2 years, and this summer means we theoretically have 3 years to recoup things. Similar to gambles that most clubs take in this league, but their out is promotion or bust.
It's just a theory anyway, even if it's part of our thinking it'll do on top of the increased TV deal, new sponsorships, some incoming fees, increased ST sales, rumoured FFP headroom increase, etc | |
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| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 12:45 - Aug 15 with 1425 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 12:29 - Aug 15 by simmo |
Overall I agree, it could just be a factor considering the bulk of our spend has come in the last 2 years, and this summer means we theoretically have 3 years to recoup things. Similar to gambles that most clubs take in this league, but their out is promotion or bust.
It's just a theory anyway, even if it's part of our thinking it'll do on top of the increased TV deal, new sponsorships, some incoming fees, increased ST sales, rumoured FFP headroom increase, etc |
I'm agreeing with you on everything today.
I don't like this, Swami. I'm a little bit scared. | |
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| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 12:46 - Aug 15 with 1400 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 12:22 - Aug 15 by Lblock |
I'd been saying for years these owners weren't circumventing the rules enough.... in their defence that's probably because they threw the rulebook out the window before and got burned badly.
However, glad to see everything being sponsored, monetised etc.
I have no idea if football finances can also be "hedged" but I'd assume they can.
We could, and I stress could, be valuing the Eze sell on money.... it would be reckless accounting but is possible I'd say.
The good thing is the club seem to focusing on players who can actually run around a bit and I hope we can shake off this "if there wasn't something wrong with him he wouldn't be here" attitude.
Buy yourself a decent car for your budget and use it.
No point taking a punt on one that's got a history of breaking down and spends most of the time in the drive meaning you're relying on Ubers etc. [Post edited 15 Aug 14:50]
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And now I'm agreeing with LB...
Is it the weather? | |
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| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 12:59 - Aug 15 with 1306 views | JamesB1979 |
We’ve spent a net 2m this summer, so it’s not a massive amount. 2 years ago we had the last year of the Warburton season when we spent too much to go up to include in the 3 year cycle. | | | |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 13:46 - Aug 15 with 1085 views | eastside_r |
Eze. |  | | |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 13:49 - Aug 15 with 1050 views | Lblock |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 12:46 - Aug 15 by BrianMcCarthy |
And now I'm agreeing with LB...
Is it the weather? |
This hasn’t happened since you copied my measurement homework in 1989 | |
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| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 14:04 - Aug 15 with 956 views | ChrisNW6 |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 13:49 - Aug 15 by Lblock |
This hasn’t happened since you copied my measurement homework in 1989 |
and we know how that turned out..... | | | |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 14:07 - Aug 15 with 926 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 14:04 - Aug 15 by ChrisNW6 |
and we know how that turned out..... |
First and only time I did that! | |
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| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 14:10 - Aug 15 with 910 views | dm97 |
Remember the Swiss ramble doing some really good tweets on this years ago. We as fans don’t appreciate how much of football finance is about wages over transfer fees. The Austin Johansen resigning are a great example - relatively low fees but high wages locked in over multiple years that you are committed to in one way or another (paying over length of contract or tearing it up).
It shouldn’t have to be said but given some ITKs on here professing to know the ins and outs of everyone’s deals - I have no idea what Kone Poku et al are on, but I highly doubt it’s anywhere near what Stef and Charlie were, or even Cook for that matter. |  | | |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 14:11 - Aug 15 with 890 views | Lblock |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 14:07 - Aug 15 by BrianMcCarthy |
First and only time I did that! |
You still passed with better marks than me so no worries | |
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| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 14:12 - Aug 15 with 884 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Where Is The Money Coming From? on 14:11 - Aug 15 by Lblock |
You still passed with better marks than me so no worries |
Ha ha.
I doubt that! | |
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