| Madsen and Field midfield 20:15 - Aug 16 with 4783 views | Northolt_Rs |
Just doesn’t work does it? So, what’s the answer? [Post edited 16 Aug 20:34]
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| Madsen and Field midfield on 07:00 - Aug 17 with 1189 views | HammersmithR |
The frustrating this is we know Madsen is not a centre mid and we saw it whenever he played there last season. That little ‘purple patch’ he had towards the end of last season was when he played as a ‘10’. He doesn’t have the energy or capabilities to play in a 2 in the middle. I felt for Field who was literally doing all running yesterday. We were getting completely over run in the first half yesterday. You essentially gave Watford a 2-0 head start before we started to chase things to get back in the game. What is worrying is that Madsen hides in games and that is unacceptable for a professional.I cannot believe none of our analysts have told Stephan that Madsen in a 2 does not work. I’m seriously worried that Stephan is getting pressure from above to play the likes of Madsen as they were big Nourry signings. |  | | |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 07:01 - Aug 17 with 1186 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 22:33 - Aug 16 by 1JD |
Thing is, if you put field at 6, we don’t / can’t play out. Which is fine in an Ainsworth side, but doesn’t work in our club model. So he can only play 8, and he isn’t great at that role. His number 8 position will increasingly come under threat of competition, as Varane has taken the number 6 position. Suspect Morgan will be favoured at some point. Morgan and Varane is a promising partnership as suggested last season on the few occasions they paired up. |
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Keep saying you can sign good players, which we have, but it'll make no difference if the midfield is not fixed. And unsurprisingly, the CM is still the main problem (and the bizarre reason to play Mbengue at LB yesterday).
It'll be a Morgan/Varane CM once Dunne is fit. The two league games have really highlighted how critical the 8 role is, but also how limited Field is to play it well.
2 very good chances yesterday that failed to even hit the target. Against Preston played into good positions in the first half but miscontrolled. 2nd half played through by Poku, but got the ball tangled in his feet. It's not good enough.
And Madsen, well, all I can say is disappointing yet again yesterday. Just kind of drifted around.
Tuck appears to have been sidelined (weirdly after playing preseason), so we need to bring someone in to compete with Varane/Morgan.
I'm not sure we will though, which is a concern. | |
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| Madsen and Field midfield on 08:08 - Aug 17 with 1066 views | stevec |
We’ve replaced a perfectly good keeper who can pass the ball with one who isn’t as good and can’t pass either.
We’ve wobbled a capable back four to the extent we’re not even sure who should play apart from Dunne.
We persist with three fckin midgets getting knocked off the ball, the one area that really did need a change of plan.
We could play Celar or Haaland up front and I doubt even the latter would hit double figures.
It’s plainly obvious we need to string three ball winners across centre mid if Dembele or Poku can succeed in front of them and the sole aim should be get balls to three ‘forwards’ let them get the goals and use everything behind to soak up any pressure.
It worked for 15 fckin games last season, do it again. |  | | |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 08:47 - Aug 17 with 971 views | 1JD |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 07:00 - Aug 17 by HammersmithR |
The frustrating this is we know Madsen is not a centre mid and we saw it whenever he played there last season. That little ‘purple patch’ he had towards the end of last season was when he played as a ‘10’. He doesn’t have the energy or capabilities to play in a 2 in the middle. I felt for Field who was literally doing all running yesterday. We were getting completely over run in the first half yesterday. You essentially gave Watford a 2-0 head start before we started to chase things to get back in the game. What is worrying is that Madsen hides in games and that is unacceptable for a professional.I cannot believe none of our analysts have told Stephan that Madsen in a 2 does not work. I’m seriously worried that Stephan is getting pressure from above to play the likes of Madsen as they were big Nourry signings. |
I think it’s become pretty obvious Nourry is influencing Stephans picks, and to some degree, I agree, especially with the insistence on bringing through young players. But it gets too much when you have a further vested interest on big money singings - as their failure is your failure.
For all those saying “oh not every signing works out”, that only makes sense with low risk signings, but it doesn’t for marquee signings. From CEO/DOF perspective - and owner perspective - and CV perspective, you cannot just put a collective 6m in the bin (along with Celar) otherwise it really doesn’t reflect well on you and questions will be asked by those supplying the money, and the industry as a whole.
Chief amongst them Madsen, who was was eventually sidelined under Marti - and I suspect that was another ill-fated interaction with Marti and Nourry. Cifuentes saying “I just can’t pick him for the sake of our / his own sanity” and Nourry saying “play him, he needs time to adjust and come good”.
When Marti had left in the final game, Madsen actually was played as part of a 2-man CM at Sunderland… that was a key sign and signal of what was to come this season in the first two games so far.
Problem is, any sane football individual knows you cannot play Madsen as part of a midfield two. So, it becomes obvious that Nourry is pulling many strings. Madsen is a conundrum that the club need to sort out, whilst a good player in his own right, he simply doesn’t fit anywhere across the midfield, including at 10, because off the ball, he has no legs and no press. | | | |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 08:59 - Aug 17 with 940 views | StreathamRanger |
It may well be inaccurate but I just had a look at the LiveScore app to see what formations teams in the championship were playing yesterday. I couldn't see a single team set up as a 4-3-3 or 4-1-4-1. Most in 4-2-3-1 or 3-5-2.
It should not be impossible to make the 4-2-3-1 work but it seems fairly obvious now that it can't contain Madsen as one of the 2. Middle of the 3 perhaps but that would leave Chair out which would be ludicrous. Could it be that the three midget 10s are as much part of the problem as the two midfielders? Only Chair ever seems to do any defending. Dembele is a lovely player going forward but does not have a defensive bone in his body. Saito, while small, at least put a few tackles in.
Should also be noted that we're missing our player of the year in Jimmy Dunne. His return cannot come soon enough and will make us a much stronger team and will help the keeper and CBs to settle. Just need to find a reliable left back and hope that Dunne never gets injured again! | | | |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 09:00 - Aug 17 with 939 views | Hunterhoop |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 08:47 - Aug 17 by 1JD |
I think it’s become pretty obvious Nourry is influencing Stephans picks, and to some degree, I agree, especially with the insistence on bringing through young players. But it gets too much when you have a further vested interest on big money singings - as their failure is your failure.
For all those saying “oh not every signing works out”, that only makes sense with low risk signings, but it doesn’t for marquee signings. From CEO/DOF perspective - and owner perspective - and CV perspective, you cannot just put a collective 6m in the bin (along with Celar) otherwise it really doesn’t reflect well on you and questions will be asked by those supplying the money, and the industry as a whole.
Chief amongst them Madsen, who was was eventually sidelined under Marti - and I suspect that was another ill-fated interaction with Marti and Nourry. Cifuentes saying “I just can’t pick him for the sake of our / his own sanity” and Nourry saying “play him, he needs time to adjust and come good”.
When Marti had left in the final game, Madsen actually was played as part of a 2-man CM at Sunderland… that was a key sign and signal of what was to come this season in the first two games so far.
Problem is, any sane football individual knows you cannot play Madsen as part of a midfield two. So, it becomes obvious that Nourry is pulling many strings. Madsen is a conundrum that the club need to sort out, whilst a good player in his own right, he simply doesn’t fit anywhere across the midfield, including at 10, because off the ball, he has no legs and no press. |
At Sunderland away, we played Varane, Colback, and Madsen, did we not? Madsen played at 10. He has never succeeded in the midfield 2. [Post edited 17 Aug 9:01]
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| Madsen and Field midfield on 09:07 - Aug 17 with 901 views | 1JD |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 09:00 - Aug 17 by Hunterhoop |
At Sunderland away, we played Varane, Colback, and Madsen, did we not? Madsen played at 10. He has never succeeded in the midfield 2. [Post edited 17 Aug 9:01]
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Field was not in the squad. There was a few changes of positions. A couple of which looks a lot like this season…
Colback played left back.
Dembele left wing. Chair number 10. Ashby right wing.
Madsen and Varane in a 2-man CM. | | | |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 12:13 - Aug 17 with 717 views | terryb |
I'm sure a lot of you will disagree, but as bad as Madsen was yesterday, he was definitely better than Dembele & possibly better than Chair in the first half. I assumed that Smyth & Dembele were in competition as to who could chuck themselves to the ground most when a defender brushed against them!
Would I select Madsen? NO! But then I wouldn't have us playing a 4-2-3-1 system that puts our full backs, in partticular, under immense pressure. The front 4 are not going to create much (anything) if they are starved of the ball.
Hunter is right IMO in that we need 3 in central midfield & to be more pragmatic. This would give us more cover than our wide players currently do & hopefully more possession in a forward area.
We improved a lot in the second half due to our substitutes actually passing to their team mates rather than to Watford players. That sounds so simple to me, but we're not very good at doing so!
Mind you, it doesn't matter what system you play or who your personnsel are if you keep allowing the other side to break from their own penalty area unchallenged! [Post edited 17 Aug 12:20]
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| Madsen and Field midfield on 12:22 - Aug 17 with 690 views | gazza1 |
I find it very interesting that Madsen has yet again getting slaughtered for his last two performances and yet the 'football people' within the club pick him and he has been picked to start most matches in our last 10(??) games, even by our previous manager......why is that posters think he is 'rank/nge' and yet the football people pick him??
I was not at yesterdays game so I cannot comment on his performance but against PNE he was better than many that played (yet he gets belters again), last season he was much better at the end of the season scoring a very decent goal at Sunderland(??).
I agree the 'jury is out' but to continually blame him for 'this and that' is wrong. | | | |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 12:29 - Aug 17 with 669 views | mart_Goblin |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 12:13 - Aug 17 by terryb |
I'm sure a lot of you will disagree, but as bad as Madsen was yesterday, he was definitely better than Dembele & possibly better than Chair in the first half. I assumed that Smyth & Dembele were in competition as to who could chuck themselves to the ground most when a defender brushed against them!
Would I select Madsen? NO! But then I wouldn't have us playing a 4-2-3-1 system that puts our full backs, in partticular, under immense pressure. The front 4 are not going to create much (anything) if they are starved of the ball.
Hunter is right IMO in that we need 3 in central midfield & to be more pragmatic. This would give us more cover than our wide players currently do & hopefully more possession in a forward area.
We improved a lot in the second half due to our substitutes actually passing to their team mates rather than to Watford players. That sounds so simple to me, but we're not very good at doing so!
Mind you, it doesn't matter what system you play or who your personnsel are if you keep allowing the other side to break from their own penalty area unchallenged! [Post edited 17 Aug 12:20]
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Agree Terry .
We continue to get the very basics of the game so badly wrong at times . |  | | |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 12:41 - Aug 17 with 633 views | Hunterhoop |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 12:22 - Aug 17 by gazza1 |
I find it very interesting that Madsen has yet again getting slaughtered for his last two performances and yet the 'football people' within the club pick him and he has been picked to start most matches in our last 10(??) games, even by our previous manager......why is that posters think he is 'rank/nge' and yet the football people pick him??
I was not at yesterdays game so I cannot comment on his performance but against PNE he was better than many that played (yet he gets belters again), last season he was much better at the end of the season scoring a very decent goal at Sunderland(??).
I agree the 'jury is out' but to continually blame him for 'this and that' is wrong. |
Gazza, trust me, he was awful yesterday. I agree with that he was decent against Preston last week. First half especially, less so second half. But still he did fine.
Yesterday, though, he was awful. His passing was dreadful, he appeared to hide, he let people run off him when we were defending our box, he missed tackles…he just had a stinker. He came off, Varane came on, and we were transformed.
He knew he was having a stinker. He was off the pitch in the technical area before his number and name were put up…
The guys is technically sound. But his effort levels, reading of the game, lack of physicality and pace make him totally unsuited to English football. He doesn’t have a position. | | | |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 12:45 - Aug 17 with 614 views | lassel |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 12:22 - Aug 17 by gazza1 |
I find it very interesting that Madsen has yet again getting slaughtered for his last two performances and yet the 'football people' within the club pick him and he has been picked to start most matches in our last 10(??) games, even by our previous manager......why is that posters think he is 'rank/nge' and yet the football people pick him??
I was not at yesterdays game so I cannot comment on his performance but against PNE he was better than many that played (yet he gets belters again), last season he was much better at the end of the season scoring a very decent goal at Sunderland(??).
I agree the 'jury is out' but to continually blame him for 'this and that' is wrong. |
Because they blew the budget on getting him in as our marquee signing. | | | |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 12:46 - Aug 17 with 587 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 08:47 - Aug 17 by 1JD |
I think it’s become pretty obvious Nourry is influencing Stephans picks, and to some degree, I agree, especially with the insistence on bringing through young players. But it gets too much when you have a further vested interest on big money singings - as their failure is your failure.
For all those saying “oh not every signing works out”, that only makes sense with low risk signings, but it doesn’t for marquee signings. From CEO/DOF perspective - and owner perspective - and CV perspective, you cannot just put a collective 6m in the bin (along with Celar) otherwise it really doesn’t reflect well on you and questions will be asked by those supplying the money, and the industry as a whole.
Chief amongst them Madsen, who was was eventually sidelined under Marti - and I suspect that was another ill-fated interaction with Marti and Nourry. Cifuentes saying “I just can’t pick him for the sake of our / his own sanity” and Nourry saying “play him, he needs time to adjust and come good”.
When Marti had left in the final game, Madsen actually was played as part of a 2-man CM at Sunderland… that was a key sign and signal of what was to come this season in the first two games so far.
Problem is, any sane football individual knows you cannot play Madsen as part of a midfield two. So, it becomes obvious that Nourry is pulling many strings. Madsen is a conundrum that the club need to sort out, whilst a good player in his own right, he simply doesn’t fit anywhere across the midfield, including at 10, because off the ball, he has no legs and no press. |
Nourry doesn't have a 'vested interest' - he's not paid fees for players that are index linked to his own profits! He's in exactly the saame position as any other CEO/Chairman/Manager who brings in players and needs them to succeed. If he's (over)-influencing team selection, presumably JS signed up for this, so if he's Le Bitch, he deserves whatever follows in my book. [Post edited 17 Aug 12:48]
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| Madsen and Field midfield on 12:48 - Aug 17 with 588 views | gazza1 |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 12:45 - Aug 17 by lassel |
Because they blew the budget on getting him in as our marquee signing. |
Really, load of rubbish!!!! | | | |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 12:50 - Aug 17 with 573 views | gazza1 |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 12:46 - Aug 17 by stainrods_elbow |
Nourry doesn't have a 'vested interest' - he's not paid fees for players that are index linked to his own profits! He's in exactly the saame position as any other CEO/Chairman/Manager who brings in players and needs them to succeed. If he's (over)-influencing team selection, presumably JS signed up for this, so if he's Le Bitch, he deserves whatever follows in my book. [Post edited 17 Aug 12:48]
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100% ........ I do not believe at all that Nourry picks the team or the formation, or the tactics.
If he does then the Manager is no good.....100% | | | |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 12:52 - Aug 17 with 566 views | Watford_Ranger |
Can we not pretend he was any better than ok last week, against a team where he wasn’t forced into any sort of battle and still had minimal influence on the game?
I’m not buying the theory he’s being forced on the manager yet. It’s two games with a lack of options (better options nonetheless). If he keeps being picked and keeps turning in performances like that then it’s a very fair question. | | | |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 12:57 - Aug 17 with 559 views | 1JD |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 12:46 - Aug 17 by stainrods_elbow |
Nourry doesn't have a 'vested interest' - he's not paid fees for players that are index linked to his own profits! He's in exactly the saame position as any other CEO/Chairman/Manager who brings in players and needs them to succeed. If he's (over)-influencing team selection, presumably JS signed up for this, so if he's Le Bitch, he deserves whatever follows in my book. [Post edited 17 Aug 12:48]
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Vested interest is a figure of speech. It’s not to be taken literally.
And he most definitely does have a vested interest in playing Madsen. Big money signings get preference of those who are not; it happens time and again in football.
Their fees and their success need to be justified. The problem is when you buy a dud, or the wromg fit. It’s very obvious what is going on, it’s been going on for some time. The first 20 games last season, Madsen as a number 8, until Marti went against Nourry and sidelined Madsen. Now Marti is gone, Madsen is back in a 2-man, playing 8. The role they announced when they bought him. | | | |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 12:58 - Aug 17 with 553 views | Hunterhoop |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 12:50 - Aug 17 by gazza1 |
100% ........ I do not believe at all that Nourry picks the team or the formation, or the tactics.
If he does then the Manager is no good.....100% |
Nourry has said publicly he decided the club’s “game model”. Cifuentes confirmed that. So has Stephan. At the fans forum, Nourry answered the question about formations first and spent a while talking about them. Stephan jokingly responded by saying “he is the manager.” Nourry went onto downplay the rigidity of the game model, and that there was some flexibility for Stephan to adapt as he sees fit. But there is an underlying game model, and it is set by Nourry.
Last season we started with Cifuentes doing exactly what Stephan is: Field, Madsen, and Anderson (where now we have Chair at 10), we pressed high, we tried to play a high line, and were torn apart repeatedly. Eventually Cifuentes went Field, Varane, and Morgan, we went to a mid block and we went on a great run. It just feels like we’re seeing the same thing unfold this season.
That tells me there certainly is a game model and the head coach tries to make it work. | | | |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 13:12 - Aug 17 with 513 views | HammersmithR |
We know why Nardi isn’t playing. His contract is up at the end of the season. I assume if he plays a certain number of games this season like Cook it triggers another year which the club won’t want. The club will want to see Nardi before the window closes. I have no idea of clubs are interested and how much Rangers want. So this is why we have ended up with Walsh in goal. Murphy is doing well in League 1, but he’s not the biggest keeper. We’re in a bit of a quandary in this very important part of the pitch. A solid keeper makes you a successful side. Look what it was like when we had Paddy Kenny the year we went up. A great spine to the side. This side does not have a spine and is why we are so open and vulnerable. Wait until we play one of the better sides in the league if this gk and defensive situation continues!! | | | |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 13:21 - Aug 17 with 468 views | Gloucs_R |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 13:12 - Aug 17 by HammersmithR |
We know why Nardi isn’t playing. His contract is up at the end of the season. I assume if he plays a certain number of games this season like Cook it triggers another year which the club won’t want. The club will want to see Nardi before the window closes. I have no idea of clubs are interested and how much Rangers want. So this is why we have ended up with Walsh in goal. Murphy is doing well in League 1, but he’s not the biggest keeper. We’re in a bit of a quandary in this very important part of the pitch. A solid keeper makes you a successful side. Look what it was like when we had Paddy Kenny the year we went up. A great spine to the side. This side does not have a spine and is why we are so open and vulnerable. Wait until we play one of the better sides in the league if this gk and defensive situation continues!! |
Paul Nardi signed for Queens Park Rangers (QPR) on June 27, 2024. He joined the club on a two-year deal, and his contract expires on June 30, 2026.
Interesting view and most probably correct. Got to feel sorry for him, good keeper at this level, fitted in well, liked by the fans and now being pushed out. |  |
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| Madsen and Field midfield on 13:28 - Aug 17 with 444 views | gazza1 |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 12:58 - Aug 17 by Hunterhoop |
Nourry has said publicly he decided the club’s “game model”. Cifuentes confirmed that. So has Stephan. At the fans forum, Nourry answered the question about formations first and spent a while talking about them. Stephan jokingly responded by saying “he is the manager.” Nourry went onto downplay the rigidity of the game model, and that there was some flexibility for Stephan to adapt as he sees fit. But there is an underlying game model, and it is set by Nourry.
Last season we started with Cifuentes doing exactly what Stephan is: Field, Madsen, and Anderson (where now we have Chair at 10), we pressed high, we tried to play a high line, and were torn apart repeatedly. Eventually Cifuentes went Field, Varane, and Morgan, we went to a mid block and we went on a great run. It just feels like we’re seeing the same thing unfold this season.
That tells me there certainly is a game model and the head coach tries to make it work. |
Yes he said that but he also said that it changes all the time during the match....please do not tell me that Nourry gets on the phone and tell him mid game to change the tactics and players.
Sure, Nourry says what he wants but not in close detail. That is the Coach & his team.
I would be interested how many games Morgan started last season compared with Colback. | | | |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 13:43 - Aug 17 with 414 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 12:22 - Aug 17 by gazza1 |
I find it very interesting that Madsen has yet again getting slaughtered for his last two performances and yet the 'football people' within the club pick him and he has been picked to start most matches in our last 10(??) games, even by our previous manager......why is that posters think he is 'rank/nge' and yet the football people pick him??
I was not at yesterdays game so I cannot comment on his performance but against PNE he was better than many that played (yet he gets belters again), last season he was much better at the end of the season scoring a very decent goal at Sunderland(??).
I agree the 'jury is out' but to continually blame him for 'this and that' is wrong. |
I was at yesterday's game & as Northern did at a previous game I watched Madsen closely,
Madsen was beyond lazy, never showed for the ball and hid.
Varane changed the game when he replaced him as we then had 10 outfield players on the pitch.
In a team that rarely dominates possession and games Madsen is a complete passenger. | | | |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 13:43 - Aug 17 with 414 views | Hunterhoop |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 13:28 - Aug 17 by gazza1 |
Yes he said that but he also said that it changes all the time during the match....please do not tell me that Nourry gets on the phone and tell him mid game to change the tactics and players.
Sure, Nourry says what he wants but not in close detail. That is the Coach & his team.
I would be interested how many games Morgan started last season compared with Colback. |
No one is remotely suggesting Nourry is telling Stephan what to do in game. Read my post again. There is a game model, a theory, that is set by Nourry. That is a fact. He says the coach has flexibility to veer from it. The way we are setting up and some of the personnel calls in the first two games are remarkably similar to last year’s start too.
And Colback started 16 and came on as a sub in 8. Morgan started 21 and came on as a sub in 11. | | | |
| Madsen and Field midfield on 15:55 - Aug 17 with 291 views | charmr |
I also did the madsen cam yesterday. One man cannot make or break a result granted.
Thing is we all saw his ineffectiveness at this level. A lot of us have played, watched and some even gained coaching qualifications. Rangers staff and statisticians must also know, they are football people. Something doesn’t seem right.
CN may be a modern game guru but still have fragility’s in his personality and handling things like making mistakes, financial consequences, or just not being right.
No certainties in football which a lot of State and American corporate team owners don’t like and WILL try to eradicate as soon, and as much as it’s going to be allowed. [Post edited 17 Aug 16:04]
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| Madsen and Field midfield on 16:00 - Aug 17 with 273 views | Benny_the_Ball |
Given the current state of the squad, I'd be tempted to give Esquerdinha a run at LB and concentrate on loaning a RB to cover Jimmy. You'd then have Morgan, Varane and Field available for midfield and can relegate Madsen to the bench. These options would give you the flexibility to play 2 or 3 in central midfield, depending on the opposition and tactics. The obsession with fielding as many small number 10s at once also needs to stop. Let all of them fight it out for the 2 wide positions. |  | | |
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