| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game 20:37 - Aug 26 with 3343 views | numptydumpty |
The club have managed this situation very poorly for all concerned. Paul Nardi last season was a contender at times for player of the season. His form tailed off later on, but still was a competent performer and a massive upgrade on Begovic from the previous season.
It was known by many that from a very early stage of pre season that Walsh was going to be chosen as the number one goalkeeper. He had a very unfortunate nerve ridden game when we lost six nil against Castellon. Conceding four goals in the 45 minutes he played. This was probably the time to reconsider the chances of starting Joe ahead of Paul but this was a part of the project.
For me, this has been bad all round and for all concerned.
After a half decent season, Paul Nardi was dropped for no other reason than he is 31 and Walsh is 23. Walsh has still appeared very nervy and certain elements of his game struggle with the distribution side of the game, that we seem to have adhered to vehmently. Its looking like his confidence is clearly low and any man conceding seven in a game is going to be shell shocked, let alone a young player in his first ever long run in the side of any sorts.
And Nardi, he must feel, he wants to leave the club and i would not blame him for that at all. He is at an age where he wants to play all the time and totally would get how put out, he must feel about being demoted. However, saying all this, and it will damage both players but i do feel we have to play Paul Nardi in the next game.
It could damage Joe Walsh's confidence and the club need to manage this very carefully but i feel Nardi know has to play.
What do others think regards this problem that has been very much of our own making..
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| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 20:51 - Aug 26 with 2627 views | Hooparoo |
A good, composed keeper gives the whole team confidence so I would put Nardi back in. Unfortunate for young Walsh but we have to do what’s best for the team. He will learn from it and hopefully knuckle down and try even harder to improve.
Best thing we could do regardless of who the keeper is would be to ditch the silly play it out from the back BS that puts the whole defence under pressure. [Post edited 26 Aug 20:53]
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| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 20:58 - Aug 26 with 2569 views | Loft1979 |
Dropped for no other reason. -
I suspect contract clauses and incentives have CN trying to move Nardi. Like most I think a season long loan for Joe might be best. |  | | |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 22:00 - Aug 26 with 2404 views | ted_hendrix |
Nardi Is our Number One goalkeeper and should be first pick all day everyday.
I have zero concerns about Walsh's feelings.
I have only an Interest In QPR results on the pitch.
I've got no Idea If Nardi wants to leave or not. |  |
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| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 22:04 - Aug 26 with 2385 views | daveB |
unless we are selling Nardi he should be playing |  | | |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 22:12 - Aug 26 with 2329 views | Match82 |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 22:04 - Aug 26 by daveB |
unless we are selling Nardi he should be playing |
Should be Nardi but will be Walsh |  | | |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 22:14 - Aug 26 with 2314 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Neither.
I think Walsh has shown in his very few appearances for us that he has all the skills to make it. But I also think that he could have done with a season on loan before being thrown in behind a defence in absolute flux. I hope he makes it, but we haven't helped him.
I think Nardi is not suited to the Championship.
I think we should be and I hope we are in the market for an experienced Championship-able goalkeeper. |  |
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| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 22:38 - Aug 26 with 2221 views | dm97 |
We’re now in a worst of both worlds situation. Young keeper, confidence shot, playing badly but can’t be loaned out as he needs to be back up. Established number 1 unsettled, been trying to shift him all summer (Paal 2.0), and presumably on his way next summer for nothing. |  | | |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 22:45 - Aug 26 with 2191 views | LeedsR |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 22:14 - Aug 26 by BrianMcCarthy |
Neither.
I think Walsh has shown in his very few appearances for us that he has all the skills to make it. But I also think that he could have done with a season on loan before being thrown in behind a defence in absolute flux. I hope he makes it, but we haven't helped him.
I think Nardi is not suited to the Championship.
I think we should be and I hope we are in the market for an experienced Championship-able goalkeeper. |
Def agree with you Brian on Walsh getting the benefit of a year in League 1 to develop his skills and confidence, something that as you say won’t happen in a hurry behind this unsettled defence. I would have said Nardi as No 1 because of Walsh simply not being ready yet. But I’m intrigued by your thinking - what is it about Nardi that makes him unsuited for the Championship? Is it because he needs to be more commanding of his area, and more committed? (Might have answered my own question there!)
Any thoughts as to who might fit the bill? Didn’t we have some Brazilian keeper (not Cesar!!) in the development squad who was supposed to be the next big thing? |  | | |
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| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 23:13 - Aug 26 with 2097 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 22:45 - Aug 26 by LeedsR |
Def agree with you Brian on Walsh getting the benefit of a year in League 1 to develop his skills and confidence, something that as you say won’t happen in a hurry behind this unsettled defence. I would have said Nardi as No 1 because of Walsh simply not being ready yet. But I’m intrigued by your thinking - what is it about Nardi that makes him unsuited for the Championship? Is it because he needs to be more commanding of his area, and more committed? (Might have answered my own question there!)
Any thoughts as to who might fit the bill? Didn’t we have some Brazilian keeper (not Cesar!!) in the development squad who was supposed to be the next big thing? |
As regards Nardi, LeedsR, yes - or at least partially, it's that he doesn't come for crosses, either in play or on set pieces. It's a fatal flaw in our division.
His backs cover for him. It should be a mutual thing. But it isn't.
To answer your other question - I don't know enough. I don't see enough of the youths.
I like Murphy Moloney/Cooper a lot (he's not Irish but Harry Halwax is) and I like Matteo Salamon a lot. As prospects. But they're probably not ready to play for a team in the Championship yet. Goalies take longer. Very few make the leap at a young age.
What you want is someone who'll boss their backs, in the air but also in their minds. The goalie is the captain back there.
The goalie is the one player who can see the whole pitch, and they have to shout that out to their team-mates.
Seaman was 23 when he joined us. He had five years and 166 appearances under his belt.
He was an England Under-21 International.
And he was considered young and a risk by the Rangers fans at the time.
And they were right, he was too quiet, and Macca and others bollocked him for it.
And he improved.
It took a while. It does.
A tall Walsh might improve.
A short Nardi won't get any taller. | |
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| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 23:23 - Aug 26 with 2051 views | Hayesender |
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| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 23:32 - Aug 26 with 1999 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 22:00 - Aug 26 by ted_hendrix |
Nardi Is our Number One goalkeeper and should be first pick all day everyday.
I have zero concerns about Walsh's feelings.
I have only an Interest In QPR results on the pitch.
I've got no Idea If Nardi wants to leave or not. |
Agreed: both have their faults but Nardi showed enough last season to justify being our first choice.
There had been nothing anywhere suggesting any club is interested in buying Nardi so play him.
No keeper could complain at being replaced if he lets seven goals in. Would loan out Walsh for the season and have Salamon on the bench. |  | | |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 00:16 - Aug 27 with 1878 views | LeedsR |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 23:13 - Aug 26 by BrianMcCarthy |
As regards Nardi, LeedsR, yes - or at least partially, it's that he doesn't come for crosses, either in play or on set pieces. It's a fatal flaw in our division.
His backs cover for him. It should be a mutual thing. But it isn't.
To answer your other question - I don't know enough. I don't see enough of the youths.
I like Murphy Moloney/Cooper a lot (he's not Irish but Harry Halwax is) and I like Matteo Salamon a lot. As prospects. But they're probably not ready to play for a team in the Championship yet. Goalies take longer. Very few make the leap at a young age.
What you want is someone who'll boss their backs, in the air but also in their minds. The goalie is the captain back there.
The goalie is the one player who can see the whole pitch, and they have to shout that out to their team-mates.
Seaman was 23 when he joined us. He had five years and 166 appearances under his belt.
He was an England Under-21 International.
And he was considered young and a risk by the Rangers fans at the time.
And they were right, he was too quiet, and Macca and others bollocked him for it.
And he improved.
It took a while. It does.
A tall Walsh might improve.
A short Nardi won't get any taller. |
Cheers Brian. A lot of good points for me to mull over - I guess your last point summed it all up!! | | | |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 00:28 - Aug 27 with 1865 views | johncharles |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 22:38 - Aug 26 by dm97 |
We’re now in a worst of both worlds situation. Young keeper, confidence shot, playing badly but can’t be loaned out as he needs to be back up. Established number 1 unsettled, been trying to shift him all summer (Paal 2.0), and presumably on his way next summer for nothing. |
A complete and utter balls up |  |
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| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 08:25 - Aug 27 with 1450 views | BrianMcCarthy |
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| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 08:43 - Aug 27 with 1395 views | FDC |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 08:25 - Aug 27 by BrianMcCarthy |
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Keep it tidy please people. |  | | |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 08:45 - Aug 27 with 1371 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 22:38 - Aug 26 by dm97 |
We’re now in a worst of both worlds situation. Young keeper, confidence shot, playing badly but can’t be loaned out as he needs to be back up. Established number 1 unsettled, been trying to shift him all summer (Paal 2.0), and presumably on his way next summer for nothing. |
Great post.
Steve Cook also been through a similar scenario I’d say. |  | | |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 09:36 - Aug 27 with 1214 views | numptydumpty |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 08:45 - Aug 27 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Great post.
Steve Cook also been through a similar scenario I’d say. |
Steve Cook sadly isnt good enough now. | |
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| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 09:46 - Aug 27 with 1176 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 09:36 - Aug 27 by numptydumpty |
Steve Cook sadly isnt good enough now. |
I disagree and it's got nothing to do whether we treat players right anyway. | | | |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 10:03 - Aug 27 with 1103 views | francisbowles |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 09:46 - Aug 27 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I disagree and it's got nothing to do whether we treat players right anyway. |
If it's a choice of Cook or Mbengue, Baz, who would you choose? |  | | |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 10:05 - Aug 27 with 1093 views | Mole_Senior |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 09:46 - Aug 27 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I disagree and it's got nothing to do whether we treat players right anyway. |
I think Cook can be good again but just needs adequate cover in front of him. At the moment, he's being dragged all over the place as the midfield are lost! |  | | |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 10:14 - Aug 27 with 1018 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 10:03 - Aug 27 by francisbowles |
If it's a choice of Cook or Mbengue, Baz, who would you choose? |
Mbengue. | | | |
| Nardi or Walsh for Charlton Game on 23:53 - Aug 27 with 584 views | EN_Ranger |
Why do we sign players on 2/3 year deals then put them on the market?? I get the not wanting to let them move for free but isn’t it more important to have a settled team??
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