| Work in Progress 17:39 - Sep 14 with 5071 views | grumpy |
Now I have calmed down I think we should be happy with a draw.
Why? I hear you say,well its too early to become despondent.
The first half was awful and we could have gone in a couple of goals down.
The second half was better,not much I grant you but better.
The new players look promising.
When we settle into a team(hopefully with punch upfront ) I think we will look a lot better.
As for Pompey,they had a good game plan but apart from Murphy I cant see them scoring many.
A draw was a good result bearing in mind the first half so lets look forward with optimism. |  | | |  |
| Work in Progress on 18:02 - Sep 14 with 3266 views | Centurion |
I am being repetitive in saying this but I maintain that we will need two seasons to put right the mess of last season.
We will get there in the end. I will be content with mid table season finish this season if it seems we are making progress on building the team and squad. |  | | |
| Work in Progress on 18:18 - Sep 14 with 3231 views | saintmark1976 |
Meanwhile back on planet earth grumps :-
1. We have spent £50 million in the last window and still don’t have a centre forward even though it’s obvious to every man and his dog that we couldn’t score goals last season let alone this.
2. Archer is a journey man with a poor good scoring record, Armstrong looks disinterested and nowhere near is past best, Stewart looks like an old man trying to avoid his next injury and Downs looks completely out of his depth.
3. We are lower mid table having won just one game out of five and are already two wins and a draw behind the top team and two wins behind the second team.
4. The manager appears to have no idea as to how he wants the team to play let alone what his best team is.
Don’t see too much to be optimistic about there but we are all entitled to our opinions I suppose. [Post edited 14 Sep 18:19]
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| Work in Progress on 18:23 - Sep 14 with 3199 views | Southamptonfan |
| Work in Progress on 18:18 - Sep 14 by saintmark1976 |
Meanwhile back on planet earth grumps :-
1. We have spent £50 million in the last window and still don’t have a centre forward even though it’s obvious to every man and his dog that we couldn’t score goals last season let alone this.
2. Archer is a journey man with a poor good scoring record, Armstrong looks disinterested and nowhere near is past best, Stewart looks like an old man trying to avoid his next injury and Downs looks completely out of his depth.
3. We are lower mid table having won just one game out of five and are already two wins and a draw behind the top team and two wins behind the second team.
4. The manager appears to have no idea as to how he wants the team to play let alone what his best team is.
Don’t see too much to be optimistic about there but we are all entitled to our opinions I suppose. [Post edited 14 Sep 18:19]
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Spot on 😉
There isn't any sign of improvement. We can't score and wont score because we don't have any strikers who can score goals. | |
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| Work in Progress on 18:24 - Sep 14 with 3195 views | grumpy |
| Work in Progress on 18:18 - Sep 14 by saintmark1976 |
Meanwhile back on planet earth grumps :-
1. We have spent £50 million in the last window and still don’t have a centre forward even though it’s obvious to every man and his dog that we couldn’t score goals last season let alone this.
2. Archer is a journey man with a poor good scoring record, Armstrong looks disinterested and nowhere near is past best, Stewart looks like an old man trying to avoid his next injury and Downs looks completely out of his depth.
3. We are lower mid table having won just one game out of five and are already two wins and a draw behind the top team and two wins behind the second team.
4. The manager appears to have no idea as to how he wants the team to play let alone what his best team is.
Don’t see too much to be optimistic about there but we are all entitled to our opinions I suppose. [Post edited 14 Sep 18:19]
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| Work in Progress on 18:27 - Sep 14 with 3181 views | Southamptonfan |
| Work in Progress on 18:24 - Sep 14 by grumpy |
Whats the point of being pessimistic? |
To save the disappointment of only finishing 10th or below? If we do better, it can be a big celebration. [Post edited 14 Sep 18:27]
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| Work in Progress on 19:03 - Sep 14 with 3110 views | saint22 |
| Work in Progress on 18:18 - Sep 14 by saintmark1976 |
Meanwhile back on planet earth grumps :-
1. We have spent £50 million in the last window and still don’t have a centre forward even though it’s obvious to every man and his dog that we couldn’t score goals last season let alone this.
2. Archer is a journey man with a poor good scoring record, Armstrong looks disinterested and nowhere near is past best, Stewart looks like an old man trying to avoid his next injury and Downs looks completely out of his depth.
3. We are lower mid table having won just one game out of five and are already two wins and a draw behind the top team and two wins behind the second team.
4. The manager appears to have no idea as to how he wants the team to play let alone what his best team is.
Don’t see too much to be optimistic about there but we are all entitled to our opinions I suppose. [Post edited 14 Sep 18:19]
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Totally agree with 4
I got pilloried for saying the same earlier | | | |
| Work in Progress on 19:33 - Sep 14 with 3018 views | dirk_doone |
| Work in Progress on 19:03 - Sep 14 by saint22 |
Totally agree with 4
I got pilloried for saying the same earlier |
I'm not sure we even have a best team. Sport Republic's recruitment results in us having a big squad of equally mediocre players. Any player who is above average is sold. We then spend the money buying players for ten times the price other Championship clubs would pay to get players of the same standard or better, as we saw with the Stoke team that beat us, which cost next to nothing in transfer fees.
Sport Republic's recruitment is abysmal. Tens of millions are poured down the drain as every transfer window makes the team even worse. We are now a lower mid-table 2nd tier team. Another transfer window could be enough for Sport Republic to turn us into a bottom 3 team.
Today our best 3 players were Stephens, Bazunu and Charles. Who'd have thought we'd be saying that a couple of years ago? If any of them plays well enough to attract a buyer, they'll be sold and replaced by someone worse. [Post edited 14 Sep 19:46]
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| Work in Progress on 21:49 - Sep 14 with 2793 views | Southamptonfan |
| Work in Progress on 19:33 - Sep 14 by dirk_doone |
I'm not sure we even have a best team. Sport Republic's recruitment results in us having a big squad of equally mediocre players. Any player who is above average is sold. We then spend the money buying players for ten times the price other Championship clubs would pay to get players of the same standard or better, as we saw with the Stoke team that beat us, which cost next to nothing in transfer fees.
Sport Republic's recruitment is abysmal. Tens of millions are poured down the drain as every transfer window makes the team even worse. We are now a lower mid-table 2nd tier team. Another transfer window could be enough for Sport Republic to turn us into a bottom 3 team.
Today our best 3 players were Stephens, Bazunu and Charles. Who'd have thought we'd be saying that a couple of years ago? If any of them plays well enough to attract a buyer, they'll be sold and replaced by someone worse. [Post edited 14 Sep 19:46]
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This is so true though isn't it. It's almost as if some fans turn a blind eye because they are too scared to face the truth. The recruitment has been terrible and you are right that any decent player is replaced by someone worse, inexperienced and not up to the job. Sport Republic need to go. I've said it for years. [Post edited 14 Sep 21:50]
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| Work in Progress on 22:20 - Sep 14 with 2721 views | mushinexile |
Grumpy, we're a fuxxing shambles and it is getting worse. We are little better in the Championship than we were in the Premiership. A draw is not enough when too many points have already been dropped.
What is it that makes Southampton players into a bunch of spineless gutless toxsers as soon as they step onto a pitch? Most of us have had enough of it whatever it is. | |
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| Work in Progress on 00:36 - Sep 15 with 2543 views | cocklebreath |
| Work in Progress on 21:49 - Sep 14 by Southamptonfan |
This is so true though isn't it. It's almost as if some fans turn a blind eye because they are too scared to face the truth. The recruitment has been terrible and you are right that any decent player is replaced by someone worse, inexperienced and not up to the job. Sport Republic need to go. I've said it for years. [Post edited 14 Sep 21:50]
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After a few years of deliberation I concur, sports republic are player trading c()nts. Get them out. |  |
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| Work in Progress on 07:36 - Sep 15 with 2232 views | jopreston |
To some degree Grumps, I agree. That said, what worries me are the tactics. Will Still does not seem to as yet have a clear plan or style. Again, that said it must be hard for all of those under RM to shake off the tika taka stuff that was drilled into them for so long. I wont be calling for his head just yet. but of course the risk there is, if we give him say 20 games, it will probably be too late by then to mount a promotion charge. That is to say, if he has us 15th after 20 games, it will be highly unlikely the new man will get us promoted. I guess we just have to accept that we may not go up this season and have to be patient like Leeds were. |  | | |
| Work in Progress on 07:51 - Sep 15 with 2193 views | saintwizzler |
| Work in Progress on 07:36 - Sep 15 by jopreston |
To some degree Grumps, I agree. That said, what worries me are the tactics. Will Still does not seem to as yet have a clear plan or style. Again, that said it must be hard for all of those under RM to shake off the tika taka stuff that was drilled into them for so long. I wont be calling for his head just yet. but of course the risk there is, if we give him say 20 games, it will probably be too late by then to mount a promotion charge. That is to say, if he has us 15th after 20 games, it will be highly unlikely the new man will get us promoted. I guess we just have to accept that we may not go up this season and have to be patient like Leeds were. |
Didn’t see much Tiki-Taka yesterday, just long balls to Archer who was beaten in the air every time.
Where was our £7m 6ft 4in American international Centre Forward when we needed him?! |  |
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| Work in Progress on 08:08 - Sep 15 with 2152 views | felly1 |
I'm still retaining some optimism although I totally understand why so many are already despairing when you consider SRs track record.
Just want to point out out that by Oct 1st 2023 we were 10th in the Championship.
10 games in 13 points.
4 wins , 4 losses, 2 draws. ...we still ended up on 87pts playing Russball.
It's still early days and I think we'll be in the playoffs positions come Xmas. | | | |
| Work in Progress on 08:08 - Sep 15 with 2151 views | Ron11 |
| Work in Progress on 18:23 - Sep 14 by Southamptonfan |
Spot on 😉
There isn't any sign of improvement. We can't score and wont score because we don't have any strikers who can score goals. |
I still don't understand why they let Dom Ballard go | | | |
| Work in Progress on 08:22 - Sep 15 with 2123 views | cocklebreath |
Something that’s not really been mentioned is Jay Robinson looks to be a late sub at best now, before the window closed he was probably our most creative player. | |
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| Work in Progress on 08:50 - Sep 15 with 2024 views | Butty101 |
| Work in Progress on 08:22 - Sep 15 by cocklebreath |
Something that’s not really been mentioned is Jay Robinson looks to be a late sub at best now, before the window closed he was probably our most creative player. |
Yeah he is the major loser in all this. Has been our best player this season |  |
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| Work in Progress on 08:51 - Sep 15 with 2020 views | 1885_SFC |
All that money spent in the Summer - and we still can't score.
Just as worrying - we didn't even look like scoring. |  |
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| Work in Progress on 08:58 - Sep 15 with 1990 views | dirk_doone |
| Work in Progress on 08:08 - Sep 15 by felly1 |
I'm still retaining some optimism although I totally understand why so many are already despairing when you consider SRs track record.
Just want to point out out that by Oct 1st 2023 we were 10th in the Championship.
10 games in 13 points.
4 wins , 4 losses, 2 draws. ...we still ended up on 87pts playing Russball.
It's still early days and I think we'll be in the playoffs positions come Xmas. |
That team was better than this one, but still nowhere near good enough for automatic promotion or the top flight.
This team looks 2nd tier mid-table standard at best. We don't even have anyone who can score goals regularly and you need goals to win games. Maybe, Will Still will eventually realize we need a new centre forward and we'll buy one in January, who'll get us into the top half of the table. But, with Sport Republic's transfer record, I doubt it.
The progress we're making is downwards. [Post edited 15 Sep 9:03]
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| Work in Progress on 09:06 - Sep 15 with 1967 views | dirk_doone |
| Work in Progress on 08:22 - Sep 15 by cocklebreath |
Something that’s not really been mentioned is Jay Robinson looks to be a late sub at best now, before the window closed he was probably our most creative player. |
He still is but Still doesn't seem to realize that, which is why we've now got an inferior player, Finn Azaz, keeping him out of the team. Why on earth was our main buy in the transfer window someone to replace our best player? Maybe they're planning ahead for the sale of Jay Robinson next year. [Post edited 16 Sep 13:52]
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| Work in Progress on 09:13 - Sep 15 with 1924 views | PatfromPoole |
| Work in Progress on 08:22 - Sep 15 by cocklebreath |
Something that’s not really been mentioned is Jay Robinson looks to be a late sub at best now, before the window closed he was probably our most creative player. |
I suspect the signing of Scienza will make it even more difficult for Robinson to get game time.
He's competing against Fraser, Fellows, Scienza and dare I say it Edozie.
Meanwhile we have a dearth of goalscorers.
Maybe he could adapt his game to be more of a goalscorer...... |  |
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| Work in Progress on 09:24 - Sep 15 with 1897 views | dirk_doone |
| Work in Progress on 09:13 - Sep 15 by PatfromPoole |
I suspect the signing of Scienza will make it even more difficult for Robinson to get game time.
He's competing against Fraser, Fellows, Scienza and dare I say it Edozie.
Meanwhile we have a dearth of goalscorers.
Maybe he could adapt his game to be more of a goalscorer...... |
Jay Robinson is an attacking midfielder, not an out and out striker, and he'll probably score at the reasonable rate of a goal every 4 games and still be our top scorer this season if he gets enough game time. Why should he have to adapt because Sport Republic have bought a bunch of attacking midfielders who aren't as good as him, when we all knew they should have bought a goalscoring centre forward? [Post edited 15 Sep 9:26]
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| Work in Progress on 09:25 - Sep 15 with 1893 views | SouthSeaSaint |
| Work in Progress on 21:49 - Sep 14 by Southamptonfan |
This is so true though isn't it. It's almost as if some fans turn a blind eye because they are too scared to face the truth. The recruitment has been terrible and you are right that any decent player is replaced by someone worse, inexperienced and not up to the job. Sport Republic need to go. I've said it for years. [Post edited 14 Sep 21:50]
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Re comment about Sport Republic.
I agree that recruitment under Sports Republic has not been that great or provided value for money.
That said we have spent more that more or less any other club in the Championship this year and , hopefully, some/all of the new recruits will benefit the team going forward.
The major issue in my mind, during Sport Republic, especially this year is not finding a suitable goalscoring/target type centre forward.
Downs seems to be another waste of money and finds himself below Archer, Edwards and Armstrong as the main striker.
The question I ask of people who say 'get rid of Sport Republic, who do you think will replace them?
There are plenty of worse owners out there.
The owners could easily have pocketed the £80m or so from recent transfers and not invested a decent wedge back into the club.
I can sympathise with those who are frustrated with the teams start to the season but I would rather look at the performance of Recruitment, Management and Players than the owners at this stage. | | | |
| Work in Progress on 09:42 - Sep 15 with 1844 views | kernow |
My faith in Sport Republic getting anything right has long since flown south. | | | |
| Work in Progress on 10:03 - Sep 15 with 1795 views | saintwizzler |
| Work in Progress on 09:25 - Sep 15 by SouthSeaSaint |
Re comment about Sport Republic.
I agree that recruitment under Sports Republic has not been that great or provided value for money.
That said we have spent more that more or less any other club in the Championship this year and , hopefully, some/all of the new recruits will benefit the team going forward.
The major issue in my mind, during Sport Republic, especially this year is not finding a suitable goalscoring/target type centre forward.
Downs seems to be another waste of money and finds himself below Archer, Edwards and Armstrong as the main striker.
The question I ask of people who say 'get rid of Sport Republic, who do you think will replace them?
There are plenty of worse owners out there.
The owners could easily have pocketed the £80m or so from recent transfers and not invested a decent wedge back into the club.
I can sympathise with those who are frustrated with the teams start to the season but I would rather look at the performance of Recruitment, Management and Players than the owners at this stage. |
Sport Republic still made £62m profit on transfers this summer after spending on players.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/southampton-fc/transfers/verein/180 | |
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| Work in Progress on 12:07 - Sep 15 with 1671 views | MattFinish |
| Work in Progress on 18:18 - Sep 14 by saintmark1976 |
Meanwhile back on planet earth grumps :-
1. We have spent £50 million in the last window and still don’t have a centre forward even though it’s obvious to every man and his dog that we couldn’t score goals last season let alone this.
2. Archer is a journey man with a poor good scoring record, Armstrong looks disinterested and nowhere near is past best, Stewart looks like an old man trying to avoid his next injury and Downs looks completely out of his depth.
3. We are lower mid table having won just one game out of five and are already two wins and a draw behind the top team and two wins behind the second team.
4. The manager appears to have no idea as to how he wants the team to play let alone what his best team is.
Don’t see too much to be optimistic about there but we are all entitled to our opinions I suppose. [Post edited 14 Sep 18:19]
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I agree with Grumps.
Yes we spent £50m in the window but about £39m of that was on players who made their debut on Saturday or the game before and Still had little time to work with them
I agree I'd like to have seen a striker come in and probably a couple go out but it's not always easy to get the right player
After 5 games we're 15th on equal points with Ipswich who have spent more than us and we have 4 points less that we had after 8 games in the 2023-24 promotion season.
You say the manager appears to have no idea as to how he wants the team to play let alone what his best team is. Well probably 6 of his preferred starting 11 have only just come through the door so it’s understandable.
I think Still has got to be given a chance to work with the new players. There's a big job to do after last season's debacle but I am optimistic. As you say though we are all entitled to our opinions |  | | |
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