| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 10:33 - Sep 21 with 2669 views | onehunglow |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 10:25 - Sep 21 by Whiterockin |
If Sheehan is utilising his coaching staff throughout the game I question the input of Darren O'Dea. Last season Sheehan seemed to be making better decisions when we had the two coaches he asked for are they still here or did they go at the end of last season. |
Good point and now we have a discussion
Sheehan deserved the job
He had an excellent run that saw him utilise players well
Now he’s not
From a tv screen or live, wrong subs are wrong
Opposition know we are vulnerable at full backs and hence wide men stroll past ours
We have real quality and every fans from Canterbury to Chorley should be questioning Sheehan
He holds the reins of our club which we love |  |
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 10:42 - Sep 21 with 2638 views | Fireboy2 |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 10:31 - Sep 21 by Dr_Winston |
If teams are starting to come at us then it's our attack we need to bolster, not the defence. The best form of defence is offence. Make them so worried about us they won't have the chance to attack.
Two league games in a row we've made the wrong subs at the wrong time. Yesterday was screaming out for a Benson, or a Widell. Someone to add more going forward. Chucking more defenders on would have just made it easier for Birmingham to dominate. |
As I said yesterday, several players were hanging out of their @rses, they needed replacing at 70 mins, most knew this was going to happen after Wednesday but sheehan didnt replace them early enough.
Why? Who knows, only sheehan and his coaching team.
For me galbraith and franco needed to come off for yalcouye and melker, ronald needed to be replaced with benson and those substitutions should have happened around the 60/70 mins mark, around that time brum started to run over our midfield, we lost the midfield battle and it was pump the ball forward then reset for the next attack.
Big mistake not making those substitutions earlier, sheehan needs to trust his squad, the players on the bench need gametime, yes we were drawing but everyone in the away end could sense that brum were going to score and ateotd they deserved a goal but not the 3 points.
Yes we got our score chalked off but im hoping that we get a bit of luckily that in future as we definitely deserved a draw. |  | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 11:02 - Sep 21 with 2579 views | vetchonian |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 10:25 - Sep 21 by Whiterockin |
If Sheehan is utilising his coaching staff throughout the game I question the input of Darren O'Dea. Last season Sheehan seemed to be making better decisions when we had the two coaches he asked for are they still here or did they go at the end of last season. |
one of them is Richard Shearman who Sheehan knew during his playing days.
I suspect O Dea is also a Sheehan choice pribably known to him through Republic of Ireland links. | |
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 11:16 - Sep 21 with 2542 views | Whiterockin |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 11:02 - Sep 21 by vetchonian |
one of them is Richard Shearman who Sheehan knew during his playing days.
I suspect O Dea is also a Sheehan choice pribably known to him through Republic of Ireland links. |
I'm sure Shearman came in the same time as O'Dea. I was questioning as to whether the previous two coaches he brought in to help him out when he was in the temporary position are better than the two he brought in during the summer. Only because his tactics and substitutions seemed better last season in my opinion. |  | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 11:42 - Sep 21 with 2475 views | union_jack |
Point of order: it’s Stearman with a ‘t’. |  |
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 11:51 - Sep 21 with 2450 views | RichardO |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 10:31 - Sep 21 by Dr_Winston |
If teams are starting to come at us then it's our attack we need to bolster, not the defence. The best form of defence is offence. Make them so worried about us they won't have the chance to attack.
Two league games in a row we've made the wrong subs at the wrong time. Yesterday was screaming out for a Benson, or a Widell. Someone to add more going forward. Chucking more defenders on would have just made it easier for Birmingham to dominate. |
Against Hull we put 4 attack minded players on, you can question the quality of their attacking prowse as to bolstering the attack but because the defence was flagging the midfield dropped deeper if you added strength to your defence as well as your attack the midfield wouldn't need to to drop deep so cutting off the supply to the forwards.
For me two games that we need at times to keep our defence solid but didn't. | | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 12:08 - Sep 21 with 2379 views | vetchonian |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 11:16 - Sep 21 by Whiterockin |
I'm sure Shearman came in the same time as O'Dea. I was questioning as to whether the previous two coaches he brought in to help him out when he was in the temporary position are better than the two he brought in during the summer. Only because his tactics and substitutions seemed better last season in my opinion. |
Stearman came in last March but was announced as a permanent fixture when O'Dea announced.
If you read this below it mentions Stearman having first joined in March
https://www.swanseacity.com/news/darren-odea-and-richard-stearman-confirmed-part | |
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 12:12 - Sep 21 with 2372 views | vetchonian |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 11:16 - Sep 21 by Whiterockin |
I'm sure Shearman came in the same time as O'Dea. I was questioning as to whether the previous two coaches he brought in to help him out when he was in the temporary position are better than the two he brought in during the summer. Only because his tactics and substitutions seemed better last season in my opinion. |
As stated Stearman was one of those two coaches Sheehan brought in and he is still here.
From your statement it could be read that it was the assistants and not Sheehan who were responsible for the "success" after Williams' departure | |
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 12:22 - Sep 21 with 2313 views | EagleEye |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 11:51 - Sep 21 by RichardO |
Against Hull we put 4 attack minded players on, you can question the quality of their attacking prowse as to bolstering the attack but because the defence was flagging the midfield dropped deeper if you added strength to your defence as well as your attack the midfield wouldn't need to to drop deep so cutting off the supply to the forwards.
For me two games that we need at times to keep our defence solid but didn't. |
No manager gets it right all of the time. A case can be made for protecting what you have on occasion & a case can be made for making changes to get a win or finish the opposition off. Postecoglou went for finishing us off in midweek by bringing on Hudson-Odoi & MGW & it backfired.
Sheehan has messed up 2 weeks running. The biggest sin of all options is doing nothing or leaving it too late when changes clearly need to be made like yesterday. Luke Williams was the same. We have a stronger squad at this level now than for quite a few years. The best managers get the changes right more often than not.
Sheehan needs to improve in this key aspect of being a manager or get ‘lucky’ more often |  | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 12:25 - Sep 21 with 2295 views | Whiterockin |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 12:12 - Sep 21 by vetchonian |
As stated Stearman was one of those two coaches Sheehan brought in and he is still here.
From your statement it could be read that it was the assistants and not Sheehan who were responsible for the "success" after Williams' departure |
I'm not saying that but frequently I see the coaches talking to Sheehan during the match, pointing and discussing things, so they do have an input. I was asking the question if the previous coaches could read a game better than the current assistant coaches, a perfectly valid question in my opinion. It has since been explained that of the two employed last season Stearman is still here. The question is still valid unless Sheehan now has too many options and can't decide who to introduce, this still doesn't explain the ridiculously late substitutions. | | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 12:37 - Sep 21 with 2274 views | RichardO |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 12:22 - Sep 21 by EagleEye |
No manager gets it right all of the time. A case can be made for protecting what you have on occasion & a case can be made for making changes to get a win or finish the opposition off. Postecoglou went for finishing us off in midweek by bringing on Hudson-Odoi & MGW & it backfired.
Sheehan has messed up 2 weeks running. The biggest sin of all options is doing nothing or leaving it too late when changes clearly need to be made like yesterday. Luke Williams was the same. We have a stronger squad at this level now than for quite a few years. The best managers get the changes right more often than not.
Sheehan needs to improve in this key aspect of being a manager or get ‘lucky’ more often |
Agree but can see a point of protecting younger players who haven't had time to integrated into the squad full yet in such A high pressure situation no matter the quality they show and as others have said maybe Sheehan has gone away from his defensive thinking on the advise of others but we have seen what happens to teams that over commit to attack seemingly with no regard to the cost, both Martin and Williams played that card and came unstuck all too often. | | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 13:08 - Sep 21 with 2186 views | wwcigne |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 10:16 - Sep 21 by RichardO |
Two games when we know teams are going to come at you in the latter stages of games , Hull because they have to and Birmingham because the fans urge them to and yet we don't bolster our defence. In the past Sheehan has done that putting Fulton on with good results, Fulton missing but we had Casey and Samuel-Smith to use, Tymon got booked with a silly tired looking foul and booking given his usual work rate he begins to look tired and he also seems he becomes desperate to win games getting out of his defensive position and we have seen lots of teams target him towards the end of games and with his booking he needs to be supported or subbed, would have been happy...ish with an away point, the defence needed bolstering.
Sheehan not wanting to.upset a team competing well, we had dropped off the pace so with presumably Inoussa's injury situation needing to be replaced he brought on Eom who he thought would help and Idah who he hoped would help but as yet has shown anything to merit that faith, I would have left Vipotnik on understand Yalcouye coming on for Galbraith but still think we need to have brought Samuel-Smith once Tymon was booked and with Wednesday's showing Benson on, but maybe Sheehan was unsure of putting them on in such a high pressure situation and yet both seem to handle the Notts Forest game well enough same goes for Casey,.
I think Sheehan needs to bolster his defence as teams come at us and also freshen up in areas where our players tire and became ineffective , he didn't and we suffered because of it.
Sheehan is still.learning very much like Cooper did making mistakes with his substitutions quite often in his first season with us. |
Agree with you , Birmingham came out second half and got tighter to our midfield and wide men , they were happy for us to have the ball in our own half but gave us no space in their’s stifling our passing game, maybe we should have changed things a bit and gone long a bit more maybe gone to a 4-4-2 just to stimey them a bit but we needed VIP to stay on in any case
Sheehan is still learning and will improve but he does struggle with his substitutions
There are some Wiley managers in this league and teams with tricky wingers who will hurt us if we continue to give space like we have
The training ground is where this should be worked on | | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 13:19 - Sep 21 with 2137 views | jack247 |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 11:51 - Sep 21 by RichardO |
Against Hull we put 4 attack minded players on, you can question the quality of their attacking prowse as to bolstering the attack but because the defence was flagging the midfield dropped deeper if you added strength to your defence as well as your attack the midfield wouldn't need to to drop deep so cutting off the supply to the forwards.
For me two games that we need at times to keep our defence solid but didn't. |
The issue with the Hull substitutions, especially Eom and Cullen, was we brought attack minded players on, but expected them to play a scrappy, defensive game.
Cullen got a couple of tackles and a block in, but neither of them impacted the game at all offensively. Idah was having to drop deep, we had taken all our pace off, so they were all ineffective.
Bringing attack minded players on to pin them back and bringing square pegs on because our quicker/more defensive minded players are tiring are different things.
One thing is for sure, our fullbacks leave a lot of space and are being targeted. No one knows that better than Sheehan. I’m sure he’s working on it | | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 13:40 - Sep 21 with 2098 views | QJumpingJack |
I thought we played well and Birmingham were excellent at stopping/delaying/slowing the game down.
I would imagine both teams will be between play-offs and mid-table if they continue to play like that. | | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 13:45 - Sep 21 with 2088 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 10:31 - Sep 21 by Dr_Winston |
If teams are starting to come at us then it's our attack we need to bolster, not the defence. The best form of defence is offence. Make them so worried about us they won't have the chance to attack.
Two league games in a row we've made the wrong subs at the wrong time. Yesterday was screaming out for a Benson, or a Widell. Someone to add more going forward. Chucking more defenders on would have just made it easier for Birmingham to dominate. |
Key isn't a good enough defender, he wasn't that good going forward yesterday. He kept stopping and turning back, passing inside. Too often at the back we caused ourselves problems with intricate passing, at times we need to be a bit more industrial, play the percentages.
Better to be chasing possession in the other half than concede a silly goal. | | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 16:40 - Sep 21 with 1858 views | RichardO |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 13:45 - Sep 21 by SullutaCreturned |
Key isn't a good enough defender, he wasn't that good going forward yesterday. He kept stopping and turning back, passing inside. Too often at the back we caused ourselves problems with intricate passing, at times we need to be a bit more industrial, play the percentages.
Better to be chasing possession in the other half than concede a silly goal. |
Chasing possession in the other teams half is fine when they are not in control of the ball and the situation, so is backing off until we are setup to close them down properly and force mistakes.
What is not fine is trying to close down teams in dribs and drabs allowing teams to stroll through us because we didn't get set up right and leave players making space with their movement and free to have ball. Rushing as individuals and not working as a team. | | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 17:29 - Sep 21 with 1796 views | Fireboy2 |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 13:45 - Sep 21 by SullutaCreturned |
Key isn't a good enough defender, he wasn't that good going forward yesterday. He kept stopping and turning back, passing inside. Too often at the back we caused ourselves problems with intricate passing, at times we need to be a bit more industrial, play the percentages.
Better to be chasing possession in the other half than concede a silly goal. |
Key did well enough yesterday.
People obviously dont remember the times he stopped koumas, they only remember the occasions when koumas got past him, which was twice iirc. | | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 18:32 - Sep 21 with 1753 views | Whiterockin |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 17:29 - Sep 21 by Fireboy2 |
Key did well enough yesterday.
People obviously dont remember the times he stopped koumas, they only remember the occasions when koumas got past him, which was twice iirc. |
If you like a player you see the good points, if you dislike a player you see the mistakes. It's best to stay objective and sensible. | | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 19:36 - Sep 21 with 1677 views | Fireboy2 |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 18:32 - Sep 21 by Whiterockin |
If you like a player you see the good points, if you dislike a player you see the mistakes. It's best to stay objective and sensible. |
Very true and I know that i am fair and objective.
I give every player we have a chance.
Key likes to get forward alot, hes an attacking fb, if the coaches didn't want him to go forward he wouldn't do it.
Re yesterday, he didnt get forward as much as for 1. We were away from home and 2. Playing against a decent side.
He did very well against a decent winger in koumas, on the whole key won the battle but some only see his mistakes and when he gets skinned, which hardly happened yesterday, he took the ball off koumas lots of times yesterday but not many saw that. | | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 21:20 - Sep 21 with 1577 views | howenjack |
I watched chris wilder being intetviewed after Sheff Utd lost to Charlton. He was asked if he saw anything to encourage him in the defeat . His curt reply was " Encouraging ?? No we lost the football match " . Theres nothing encouraging in losing a football match . Got to love that blunt Yorkshire pragmatism or a realism in what we are all trying to achieve in the championship . At the end of the day 3 points is what matters . The difference between 1 point and 3 is huge really . Blues went for it we didnt its as simple as that and they had to really they were on a bad run and desperate for 3 points. The teams that chase and catch the 3 points will be the ones who go up this season. Sometimes you have to be brave but a win is worth far more than a draw not just in actual terms but psychologically ..... nothing beats the feeling of getting one over your opponents. | | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 09:12 - Sep 22 with 1171 views | RichardO |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 21:20 - Sep 21 by howenjack |
I watched chris wilder being intetviewed after Sheff Utd lost to Charlton. He was asked if he saw anything to encourage him in the defeat . His curt reply was " Encouraging ?? No we lost the football match " . Theres nothing encouraging in losing a football match . Got to love that blunt Yorkshire pragmatism or a realism in what we are all trying to achieve in the championship . At the end of the day 3 points is what matters . The difference between 1 point and 3 is huge really . Blues went for it we didnt its as simple as that and they had to really they were on a bad run and desperate for 3 points. The teams that chase and catch the 3 points will be the ones who go up this season. Sometimes you have to be brave but a win is worth far more than a draw not just in actual terms but psychologically ..... nothing beats the feeling of getting one over your opponents. |
If you look at it, if we had drawn we would still be above Birmingham in the table instead of two points below if we had tightened our defence, away from home we would be relatively happy with a drawn but still complaining about the disallowed goal.
Add the two points dropped at home against Hull and we would be on 11 points in the top six and 1 point off the top two, so why people are saying we don't keep our defence solid when we have points in the bag instead of leaving gaps against teams who have to attack us, usually using the high ball in the box tactic towards end of games, not saying you don't take players further up the pitch who are flagging offbut you have to also look at the flagging defence as well.
On a side note of keeping us an attacking threat we have seen teams defending deep counter attacking by being able to get two pacy players beyond their pressing defensive line we have seen it done in the past against us as Grimes was used as one of our defensive line, we did it a couple of season ago with a break out ball into space which Lowe able to control, he held it up and Key joined at pace to slot home, we have done similar with Inoussa and Ronald linking up which should have resulted in a goal making us a threat out of defence, maybe because of new players have not integrated into the team as we have not had time for the coaches to reinforce this tactic later in the game leaving our clearances to become desperate.
We reached the play offs twice under Cooper by looking after the points we had instead of looking for more goals too often that we didn't need all for killing teams off but carefully as needed . Would say we did start looking slow and ragged breaking out from defence towards the end but he got us in the play off positions in the end by going more attacking but by then we needed to in the first instance but not the second if I remember right.. Two up top instead of three? [Post edited 22 Sep 10:55]
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 09:28 - Sep 22 with 1114 views | Whiterockin |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 09:12 - Sep 22 by RichardO |
If you look at it, if we had drawn we would still be above Birmingham in the table instead of two points below if we had tightened our defence, away from home we would be relatively happy with a drawn but still complaining about the disallowed goal.
Add the two points dropped at home against Hull and we would be on 11 points in the top six and 1 point off the top two, so why people are saying we don't keep our defence solid when we have points in the bag instead of leaving gaps against teams who have to attack us, usually using the high ball in the box tactic towards end of games, not saying you don't take players further up the pitch who are flagging offbut you have to also look at the flagging defence as well.
On a side note of keeping us an attacking threat we have seen teams defending deep counter attacking by being able to get two pacy players beyond their pressing defensive line we have seen it done in the past against us as Grimes was used as one of our defensive line, we did it a couple of season ago with a break out ball into space which Lowe able to control, he held it up and Key joined at pace to slot home, we have done similar with Inoussa and Ronald linking up which should have resulted in a goal making us a threat out of defence, maybe because of new players have not integrated into the team as we have not had time for the coaches to reinforce this tactic later in the game leaving our clearances to become desperate.
We reached the play offs twice under Cooper by looking after the points we had instead of looking for more goals too often that we didn't need all for killing teams off but carefully as needed . Would say we did start looking slow and ragged breaking out from defence towards the end but he got us in the play off positions in the end by going more attacking but by then we needed to in the first instance but not the second if I remember right.. Two up top instead of three? [Post edited 22 Sep 10:55]
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Only my opinion but poor use of substitutions cost us the points in both games. Particularly on Saturday when they were made far too late our players were knackered. | | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 10:50 - Sep 22 with 1050 views | RichardO |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 09:28 - Sep 22 by Whiterockin |
Only my opinion but poor use of substitutions cost us the points in both games. Particularly on Saturday when they were made far too late our players were knackered. |
Don't think anyone would disagree with you on the substitutions needing to be made both to keep us a viable threat up top and solid at the back and the timings of them was poor. [Post edited 22 Sep 10:56]
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 11:09 - Sep 22 with 1022 views | onehunglow |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 21:20 - Sep 21 by howenjack |
I watched chris wilder being intetviewed after Sheff Utd lost to Charlton. He was asked if he saw anything to encourage him in the defeat . His curt reply was " Encouraging ?? No we lost the football match " . Theres nothing encouraging in losing a football match . Got to love that blunt Yorkshire pragmatism or a realism in what we are all trying to achieve in the championship . At the end of the day 3 points is what matters . The difference between 1 point and 3 is huge really . Blues went for it we didnt its as simple as that and they had to really they were on a bad run and desperate for 3 points. The teams that chase and catch the 3 points will be the ones who go up this season. Sometimes you have to be brave but a win is worth far more than a draw not just in actual terms but psychologically ..... nothing beats the feeling of getting one over your opponents. |
And how people can have a good laugh after watching a defeat has always beat me
Pretty soon Wales rugby will be 40 points down and the tv cameras pan to tw@ts in hats with a plastic pint grinning
Sport is all about the glory | |
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 11:23 - Sep 22 with 1007 views | Fireboy2 |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 11:09 - Sep 22 by onehunglow |
And how people can have a good laugh after watching a defeat has always beat me
Pretty soon Wales rugby will be 40 points down and the tv cameras pan to tw@ts in hats with a plastic pint grinning
Sport is all about the glory |
Because most people have far more important things to worry about.
Watching their team is a release, it isn't the be all and end all.
I am so happy knowing that most jacks arent like you. | | | |
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