| Left wing/Right wing English clubs 09:17 - Oct 21 with 7936 views | TeddeRs |
Thinking about the furore over banning Macabi fans from Villa and the recent cancellation of the TelAviv derby between Macabi which attracts right wing fans and Hapoel which attracts left wing fans.
Does England have any clubs that have a recognised left wing following - i.e. in the style of St Pauli?
I think of us a genuinely integrated, community focussed club but apolitical. |  | | |  |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 14:01 - Oct 21 with 2075 views | ted_hendrix |
Michael Gove's ST was three rows In front of me In the Lower Loft.
I am so far removed from his Political persuasion but I still consider him to be a QPR fan just like me, an example of my Political persuasion Is one of the proudest moments for me whilst working was being made a Union Convenor for the AUEW, I've still got my Union card.
And there you have It, I don't care who sits near me, why are we obsessed with labelling everything? |  |
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| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 14:31 - Oct 21 with 1927 views | Logman |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 14:01 - Oct 21 by ted_hendrix |
Michael Gove's ST was three rows In front of me In the Lower Loft.
I am so far removed from his Political persuasion but I still consider him to be a QPR fan just like me, an example of my Political persuasion Is one of the proudest moments for me whilst working was being made a Union Convenor for the AUEW, I've still got my Union card.
And there you have It, I don't care who sits near me, why are we obsessed with labelling everything? |
Well said. We might not sympathise with other fans' political beliefs but it doesn't mean we have to judge and label them. | | | |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 14:40 - Oct 21 with 1875 views | Match82 |
One of the things I like about football in general is that it's one of the few places in life where the people around you have absolutely nothing to do with your political beliefs. It should in theory expose you to people and viewpoints that you wouldn't otherwise experience which is a healthy thing, and I think this is why people try and "force" politics into football occasionally (on this message board and others). Delicate balance though when this is one of the places I go to get AWAY from that. |  | | |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 14:52 - Oct 21 with 1840 views | Boston |
So we're not the Monster Raving Loony Party club then? | |
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| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 14:54 - Oct 21 with 1836 views | Boston |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 13:51 - Oct 21 by R_from_afar |
If we're talking "progressive," here is exhibit A:
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Progressive enough to hire Robbie Savageš | |
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| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 15:27 - Oct 21 with 1752 views | FDC |
FC Utd of Manchester definitely had left wing origins, fan ownership, links with left ultras in other countries etc., but not been for a long time so don't know what it's like now. |  | | |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 15:30 - Oct 21 with 1746 views | FDC |
With regards QPR, the Twitter contingent are pretty right wing based on what I see, but I appreciate that's not necessarily representative of the wider support. | | | |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 16:06 - Oct 21 with 1655 views | StreathamRanger |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 15:30 - Oct 21 by FDC |
With regards QPR, the Twitter contingent are pretty right wing based on what I see, but I appreciate that's not necessarily representative of the wider support. |
I think that's just more or less twitter. All I get is a constant stream of Tommy Robinson anti immigrant stuff. Increasingly AI generated. Complete madhouse since Elon took over. | | | |
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| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 16:21 - Oct 21 with 1594 views | robith |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 15:30 - Oct 21 by FDC |
With regards QPR, the Twitter contingent are pretty right wing based on what I see, but I appreciate that's not necessarily representative of the wider support. |
QPR twitter has a bit of a weird astroturfing/sock puppet thing going on + the fact that a lot of people have abandoned the platform (Reddit now has more daily users than it for eg in the UK).
My experience of QPR fans is that people are broadly representative of the population (albeit the plural of anecdote isn't evidence), except anecdotally vs other London clubs I've been to I feel like we have more match going people of colour.
I recently bought a house right by the Spurs stadium and it's well jarring how everyone in the area wears Spurs shirts, but when you go to a game the only Black faces are serving you |  | | |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 16:43 - Oct 21 with 1527 views | dannyblue |
Things change over the years, and of course there are many different people in a fanbase. But Ithere are a few clubs who at least have had the reputation of having fans who might be more attracted to violence, racism, homophobia...
Chelsea
Millwall
Leeds
Everton
Portsmouth
Stoke |  | | |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 17:00 - Oct 21 with 1462 views | 100percent |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 10:53 - Oct 21 by captainmycaptian |
Have you just called all England fans right wing !!!?? Whats your name Gary nevile. Thisnia the problem everyone likes an echo chamber somewhere or someone that justify their own views. Humans like to try and take the moral high ground when then just usually just become self righteous. People genealogy just a place where they feel part of something like a football club and that's what's its generally about a feeling of belonging, of being part of something. In this world where people are given so little to hang on to dont taint an already tainted game with the ills of the government and the corruption that goes with it.The best way to.keep the insidious stench of politics out of football is stop going on about it. Suppose I will get painted in some colour or ilk for this !! It just football let people enjoy it, there are enough divisions in society. In my humble opinion |
I've followed England to at least 4 world cups and countless European competitions.
I have now come to the point that I seldom travel, and if I do I'm selective about where I go and where I stay. The England fans IMO have become increasingly xenophobic, with a strong sense of entitlement - especially post Brexit. I'm not sure if these 'fans' are right wing, or just enjoy being aggressive, inflammatory and belligerent whilst abroad.
It generally stems from behaving in a manner that either belittles the host nation or just brazenly insults them - that generally manifests itself in overtly racist tones. and drunken rhetoric
As a result I will occasionally travel, but stay away from the main pinch point areas and commute into the games.
I'm sure we are not the only country that are suffering from this issue - I've also been a football tourist many times, taking in the Milan derby, Spanish el classico etc etc. As I don't speak the local vernacular, its difficult to say whether their attitude is right wing based - apart from the obvious games I have visited like Lazio/Roma for instance.
I'm all for everyone enjoying themselves - especially when it comes to the beautiful game - but definitely not at the expense of others. Similarly, whilst I will always remain proud to be English, I don't want to be associated with the behaviour and attitudes that have become far too common place at England away games for me. |  | | |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 17:05 - Oct 21 with 1446 views | Paddyhoops |
Funny thing happened to me at the Bristol game. We got searched by security on the way in and the guy was perfectly polite .
As I was getting a pretty awful burger at the food outlet, a bloke who just been served said to me ā Those security guys all look like terrioristsā .
He was then expecting me to have a conversation to conform with what he had just said on the basis I was a white Caucasian .
I just said I was Irish and donāt get involved with topics like that . For obvious reasons.
I think weāre a broad church at QPR but weāre living in a fractured society now which is sadly making its way into football . Sad really . | | | |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 17:30 - Oct 21 with 1389 views | dutch |
When Chelsea were Sieg Heiling up Loftus Road, pairing up with Glasgow Rangers and selling the BM magazine outside their ground while insulting their own black players, I always thought of QPR as the opposite of that. Not necessarily left wing, but certainly anti racist, anti Chelsea. With our heartland among the Irish and Caribbean community of Ladbroke Grove the Bush et al we had a 'progressive' feel, which is why it pains me when I see our youth now mouthing right wing platitudes. | | | |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 18:02 - Oct 21 with 1299 views | Lblock |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 09:38 - Oct 21 by joe90 |
I know Clapton Community FC is 'left wing', more overtly so like St Pauli. Dulwich Hamlet are sort of left wing, but I'd say they're a bit more 'hipster', more focused on nice beer and food, less so on politics.
In the football league there aren't any left wing clubs in the style of St Pauli, but when I do think of 'left wing' clubs, Everton and Sunderland come to mind. |
Everton? You consider them to be left wing?!
Blimey things mustāve changed since I was going home and away.
If I was asked about them specifically Iād have said the complete opposite
Then againā¦.. people have flagged Palace here.
Yet I still recall Ron Noades comments years back so times change I suppose
Over riding position is, as noted above, keep political leanings out of football and things should be fine |  |
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| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 18:13 - Oct 21 with 1275 views | Bluce_Ree |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 10:05 - Oct 21 by James_Paddocks |
Liverpool are probably the most left wing club.
Millwall definitely have that BNP/NF vibe festering away.
Might be controversial but I think every club has a right wing element, usually found following England away. |
Liverpool are like FAMOUSLY racist. |  |
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| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 18:30 - Oct 21 with 1239 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 16:43 - Oct 21 by dannyblue |
Things change over the years, and of course there are many different people in a fanbase. But Ithere are a few clubs who at least have had the reputation of having fans who might be more attracted to violence, racism, homophobia...
Chelsea
Millwall
Leeds
Everton
Portsmouth
Stoke |
In my experience, you can put Charlton in that group too. |  |
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| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 19:57 - Oct 21 with 1087 views | hoopedmonkey |
I've always been happy with the attributed "demi monde" description for us, I think that sits well. | | | |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 20:05 - Oct 21 with 1063 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Look, I'm a lefty, or a liberal, or whatever. That's just the way I feel about one particular thing. But It doesn't define me. I'm a million other things as well.
And I suspect that you're all a million other things, too.
And I love Rangers because we bring no politics or no judgement to our home. There's no shibboleth. We're a very broad church.
I know the political leanings of some of my Rangers family, but I have no idea about the opinions of others, and they have no idea about mine. I love that.
Some of us communicate through feelings, through hugs, through 'scenes', through 'aisles', through forum posts about our health, our families, our failings, our triumphs.
I hope it always stays this way.
I hope we never bring extremism, in any form, to our home.
Look back into the past.
That is not the club we were.
Let's never change that. |  |
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| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 20:07 - Oct 21 with 1057 views | MrSheen |
A friend of mine had an Italian lodger who supported Roma. I asked him how it came about that Lazio were the right wing team and Roma were the left. He laughed at me and said that Roma had plenty of right wing fans too, just fewer than Lazio. The two groups occupied different ends of the stadium (the right on the Curva Nord), but if they met each other outside or in the City, there could be trouble so you always had to have your eyes and ears open. This was about 2000, but I doubt much has changed. I canāt see any attraction in that, any more than family members falling out over politics. |  | | |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 20:10 - Oct 21 with 1044 views | MrSheen |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 17:30 - Oct 21 by dutch |
When Chelsea were Sieg Heiling up Loftus Road, pairing up with Glasgow Rangers and selling the BM magazine outside their ground while insulting their own black players, I always thought of QPR as the opposite of that. Not necessarily left wing, but certainly anti racist, anti Chelsea. With our heartland among the Irish and Caribbean community of Ladbroke Grove the Bush et al we had a 'progressive' feel, which is why it pains me when I see our youth now mouthing right wing platitudes. |
To be fair to the 80s, there wasnāt much of that behaviour at most other London clubs, unlike CFC, West Ham, Millwall, Charlton. | | | |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 20:15 - Oct 21 with 1031 views | Dorse |
| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 10:35 - Oct 21 by Hayesender |
I like to go to football to get away from the depressing world of politics |
Weird. I watch politics to get away from the depressing world of football... |  |
| 'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!' |
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| Left wing/Right wing English clubs on 22:24 - Oct 21 with 852 views | CiderwithRsie |
I think both the OP by TeddeRs and Robith have got it right - in England football is largely apolitical.
Some clubs are very embedded in their local communities, which I suppose is consistent with left-wing ideas, but you have to be one of those "everything is political" people to infer that makes them left-wing.
In England we don't have the sectarian Rangers v Celtic thing or the Northern Ireland variants, we don't have anything like the thing in Spain where Real were Franco's lot or in Italy where Lazio were/are pretty much Fascist.
I think it's why Millwall look slightly pathetic IMO trying to make a big deal out of it. | | | |
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