| Season perspectives 08:07 - May 4 with 45908 views | charlieB |
Great result yesterday against Sunderland. Credit to the players, the staff, and especially the 1000 or so amazing fans who made the trip – that kind of support, in a game with nothing riding on it, speaks volumes.
I’ve been reflecting over my morning coffee and just wanted to share a few thoughts. I know not everyone will agree, but hopefully it comes across in the spirit it’s meant – as a long-time fan trying to see the full picture.
Marti deserves credit for keeping us up last season – he did the job he was brought in to do. But this season, we saw many of the same problems. We started with tactics that didn’t suit the squad – too passive, too deep, no real cutting edge. The players looked unsure of their roles and lacking confidence. When we eventually changed approach, results picked up – but it took too long, and the early damage was done.
From what I’ve heard, he wasn’t well-liked behind the scenes either. Stubborn, slow to adapt, quick to deflect when things went wrong – and very happy to take the praise when they didn’t. He’s clearly a good coach, but I don’t think he was ever truly the right fit for this club. I won’t miss the terrace songs.
On the other hand, I think Christian Nourry deserves more credit than he gets. He’s only 28, but age doesn’t define ability. He inherited a tough job – tight FFP limits, a small budget, and a club that’s been firefighting for years. And yet, recruitment has clearly improved. Not every signing will be an instant success, but all have contributed, and a few could add real long-term value – which is crucial for us as a selling club. They’ll take time to adapt, but there’s a shift in thinking, and that’s progress.
The Ben Williams situation clearly had an impact – he was offered a big opportunity abroad and took it, which is understandable. But the void it left in the football department was felt. That said, I’ve heard that’s now been addressed for next season, which is good news.
Of course, there’s a lot to do this summer. We need a head coach who suits the group, a more consistent playing style, and a couple of clever additions. But I genuinely feel more hopeful than I have in a while. There’s a bit of stability creeping in, and for once, it feels like we’re not just lurching from one short-term fix to the next.
One thing we do need to change though – the way we treat some of our players. Madsen’s taken stick all season, often when he’s done little wrong. Now it’s Dembele. It’s like we always need someone to have a go at. These lads are human. They need support, not abuse. Confidence matters.
Anyway, that’s just my view – take it or leave it. I’m not pretending everything’s perfect, but I do think there are a few more reasons for quiet optimism than people give credit for.
Thanks again to Clive – this board remains a brilliant space, even when we don’t all agree. Have a great summer everyone – and here’s to next season, hopefully with a new head coach who can take us forward on this mad old rollercoaster we all insist on riding.
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| Season perspectives on 10:38 - May 4 with 2915 views | essextaxiboy |
This OP made me literally laugh out loud, its got to be a wind up (bit strange for someone who joined the board about 10 days ago ) or its a Nourry PR plant.
Its disrespectful and patronising . |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 10:38 - May 4 with 2916 views | BAWHoops |
This is all getting a bit Paladini/WATRB days where ITK posters would pop up on message boards to pedal 'fan opinions'.
We've lived through it once and won't be fooled again. Whoever at the club is doing this, knock it off, it's pathetic. This message board is great because it isn't a cesspit of toxic opinions. It's 50 page threads on Lewis Wing and tracking Ebere Eze's performance in a chess tournament.
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| Season perspectives on 10:41 - May 4 with 2893 views | charlieB |
Thnaks for the benefit of the doubt! I was at Coventry away at the end of last season — I remember fans literally running up to Christian Nourry thanking him for saving our club. The mood was relief and appreciation. Funny how quickly that’s been forgotten.
Now, if you try to put a bit of balance into the conversation, you get accused of being an insider or part of some grand PR push, which is honestly hilarious. I’m just a fan who’s seen this club lurch from mess to mess over the years, and while it’s far from perfect now, I do think some of what’s happening behind the scenes is a step in the right direction. That’s not spin — it’s just perspective. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 10:48 - May 4 with 2839 views | Northernr |
If this isn’t spin I’d hate to see what is. |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 10:49 - May 4 with 2835 views | 1BobbyHazell |
| Season perspectives on 10:05 - May 4 by BrianMcCarthy |
It could, agreed. Or it could be part of the ongoing PR war.
I think we have to give individual posters the benefit of the doubt, though. |
I agree Brian...
But the level of detail on the precise way in which Marti was disliked/ not trusted by people at the club is presented in such a way as can only be Insider Knowledge.
One post later, he is 'nothing to do with the club'.
So which is it CharlieB? Presenting very detailed guesswork as fact? Or contact with various people inside the club? Or....
Surely worth checking whether our beloved LFW is being unartfully played by clumsy PR efforts. We have a wonderfully mixed church here with much love, disagreement and exasperation flowing. But the one thing you always expect/hope for is that you are talking with actual people, actual QPR fans.
Like I said this thread isn't about Marti V Nourry for me, there's good and bad to be said for both parties, I agree with some of CharlieB's other points but given the obvious PR campaign currently running (see Lassel's earlier post) it's worth checking on posts like Charlie's just in case.
Opinions of fans is great, PR guff can f**k right off!
Ps Apologies if you're genuine CharlieB! But if you are how do you know so much? |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 10:54 - May 4 with 2807 views | flynnbo |
| Season perspectives on 10:41 - May 4 by charlieB |
Thnaks for the benefit of the doubt! I was at Coventry away at the end of last season — I remember fans literally running up to Christian Nourry thanking him for saving our club. The mood was relief and appreciation. Funny how quickly that’s been forgotten.
Now, if you try to put a bit of balance into the conversation, you get accused of being an insider or part of some grand PR push, which is honestly hilarious. I’m just a fan who’s seen this club lurch from mess to mess over the years, and while it’s far from perfect now, I do think some of what’s happening behind the scenes is a step in the right direction. That’s not spin — it’s just perspective. |
Funny that the running up to Nourry and thanking him wasn’t mentioned by anyone but you until now. Happy to be proved wrong. |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 10:59 - May 4 with 2774 views | Jeff |
| Season perspectives on 10:54 - May 4 by flynnbo |
Funny that the running up to Nourry and thanking him wasn’t mentioned by anyone but you until now. Happy to be proved wrong. |
I ran up to him and told him how handsome and ruddy brave he was, and then the whole away end cheered if that’s any help… |  |
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| Season perspectives on 11:06 - May 4 with 2740 views | ed_83 |
| Season perspectives on 10:41 - May 4 by charlieB |
Thnaks for the benefit of the doubt! I was at Coventry away at the end of last season — I remember fans literally running up to Christian Nourry thanking him for saving our club. The mood was relief and appreciation. Funny how quickly that’s been forgotten.
Now, if you try to put a bit of balance into the conversation, you get accused of being an insider or part of some grand PR push, which is honestly hilarious. I’m just a fan who’s seen this club lurch from mess to mess over the years, and while it’s far from perfect now, I do think some of what’s happening behind the scenes is a step in the right direction. That’s not spin — it’s just perspective. |
Your post wasn’t “putting a bit of balance into the conversation” though - it’s an entirely one-sided account of things, where Marti’s done very little right and Nourry very little wrong. It’s very strange to say something, then immediately try and deny that’s what you said.
Who really knows what’s gone on behind the scenes - although you also apparently have access to a conspicuous amount of insider information - but what is very clear is that we are still a long way from “stability”.
We’re stuck in a ridiculous situation where our manager is no longer involved in the team, but is still technically employed by us. The club’s leaking like a sieve, as part of a prolonged power struggle between different factions (however you apportion blame within that). The playing squad is massively deficient in basically every area of the pitch and requires another summer of substantial incomings and outgoings on top of finding a new manager, once we sack the current one, which we seemingly can’t or won’t do yet,
All of this overseen by people who’ve let relationships with Marti sour to the point he’s had to leave, have refused to share information with the fans (if Ben Williams is coming back from Dubai / being replaced, why’s it leaking it out rather than being announced properly?) and have had, at best, an extremely patchy track record when it comes to scouting and recruiting players.
If that gives you hope for the future, then I want some of whatever you’re drinking | | | |
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| Season perspectives on 11:07 - May 4 with 2725 views | 1JD |
| Season perspectives on 10:15 - May 4 by ngbqpr |
Guess so Brian, after all he was clued up enough to drop a favourite cheese introductory post a couple of weeks back. |
Anyone reading / analysing this site would know the cheese introduction.
What’s clear is that there are a number of new accounts all popping up supporting Nourry, yet deriding Cifuentes. Funny that. Cifuentes is easily our most popular manager since Warnock.
Twitter is easy to run AI bots and manipulate the narrative with kids. Messageboards with adults that have been there for years, with posters known far and wide, far less so. And it sticks out like a sore thumb.
But the sad reality is that stooping to these levels of fan manipulation versus letting results, performances and signings speak for themselves, is frankly absurd.
And it tells everyone everything they need to know about what is going on at QPR behind the scenes. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 11:09 - May 4 with 2716 views | charlieB |
It was just an example FFS. This is like a salem witch trial!
I’m genuinely not some insider or PR person - For a start my dyslexia would fail me at the first hurdle! I’ve been a long-time reader on here, and I don’t usually post on social and boards, however, to be honest I felt strongly enough to write something and offer my point of view after hearing some of the comments on here and the first half of Oxford away. I’ve been there for the tough times, like when we lost to Oxford United at Wembley (as favourites) , to Cardiff in Cardiff (Should have squared it) , and to Vauxhall Motors. But I’ve also been there for the good times, like the Sheff Weds beam back at LR and Bobby Z’s winner in ’89. I’m a genuine fan, just like most of you, and I want the best for the club. But I also think we need some perspective. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 11:15 - May 4 with 2679 views | TK1 |
| Season perspectives on 10:05 - May 4 by BrianMcCarthy |
It could, agreed. Or it could be part of the ongoing PR war.
I think we have to give individual posters the benefit of the doubt, though. |
I mean, agree totally to giving individual posters benefit of doubt.
But 'Charlieb' first posted on this board on 22nd of April. And is now posting this kind of stuff, without any attribution or hint where it comes from, just a regular season ticket holder apparently. What a load of Paladini-style bollox. This is how they communicate with us. Beneath contempt. This, fck me:
"From what I’ve heard, he wasn’t well-liked behind the scenes either. Stubborn, slow to adapt, quick to deflect when things went wrong – and very happy to take the praise when they didn’t. He’s clearly a good coach, but I don’t think he was ever truly the right fit for this club. I won’t miss the terrace songs.
On the other hand, I think Christian Nourry deserves more credit than he gets. He’s only 28, but age doesn’t define ability. He inherited a tough job – tight FFP limits, a small budget, and a club that’s been firefighting for years. And yet, recruitment has clearly improved. Not every signing will be an instant success, but all have contributed, and a few could add real long-term value – which is crucial for us as a selling club. They’ll take time to adapt, but there’s a shift in thinking, and that’s progress.
The Ben Williams situation clearly had an impact – he was offered a big opportunity abroad and took it, which is understandable. But the void it left in the football department was felt. That said, I’ve heard that’s now been addressed for next season, which is good news."
I'm just a regular season ticket holder too, 'Charlieb', I go to away games, I know people who know people, I hear gossip - but literally nobody has said any of the above to anyone I know. Nor does anyone not reading a PR script write like that on a football messageboard, or anywhere for that matter. Convince me otherwise. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 11:16 - May 4 with 2658 views | Rsole |
| Season perspectives on 10:59 - May 4 by Jeff |
I ran up to him and told him how handsome and ruddy brave he was, and then the whole away end cheered if that’s any help… |
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| Season perspectives on 11:27 - May 4 with 2579 views | ed_83 |
| Season perspectives on 11:09 - May 4 by charlieB |
It was just an example FFS. This is like a salem witch trial!
I’m genuinely not some insider or PR person - For a start my dyslexia would fail me at the first hurdle! I’ve been a long-time reader on here, and I don’t usually post on social and boards, however, to be honest I felt strongly enough to write something and offer my point of view after hearing some of the comments on here and the first half of Oxford away. I’ve been there for the tough times, like when we lost to Oxford United at Wembley (as favourites) , to Cardiff in Cardiff (Should have squared it) , and to Vauxhall Motors. But I’ve also been there for the good times, like the Sheff Weds beam back at LR and Bobby Z’s winner in ’89. I’m a genuine fan, just like most of you, and I want the best for the club. But I also think we need some perspective. |
If you’re not an insider, how come you have inside information on Marti’s working relationships with people, and staffing changes which haven’t been made public? You can’t have it both ways.
On a more basic level - whatever you think of Marti or Christian, the club is clearly in the middle of a very public power struggle. Wading in to defend one side is going be divisive / prompt responses. What else did you expect? | | | |
| Season perspectives on 11:27 - May 4 with 2574 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Season perspectives on 11:09 - May 4 by charlieB |
It was just an example FFS. This is like a salem witch trial!
I’m genuinely not some insider or PR person - For a start my dyslexia would fail me at the first hurdle! I’ve been a long-time reader on here, and I don’t usually post on social and boards, however, to be honest I felt strongly enough to write something and offer my point of view after hearing some of the comments on here and the first half of Oxford away. I’ve been there for the tough times, like when we lost to Oxford United at Wembley (as favourites) , to Cardiff in Cardiff (Should have squared it) , and to Vauxhall Motors. But I’ve also been there for the good times, like the Sheff Weds beam back at LR and Bobby Z’s winner in ’89. I’m a genuine fan, just like most of you, and I want the best for the club. But I also think we need some perspective. |
Sorry but this post has just done more to convince me you aren't what you say you are. Who the hell would write "Oxford (as favourites)". Or talk about the beamback rather than actually being at Hillsborough. We had 8,000 tickets there. And the "square it" stuff and Vauxhall Motors an AI trawler would find in seconds.
You need more convincing proof than that? |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 11:35 - May 4 with 2500 views | simmo |
| Season perspectives on 10:05 - May 4 by BrianMcCarthy |
It could, agreed. Or it could be part of the ongoing PR war.
I think we have to give individual posters the benefit of the doubt, though. |
Nah, fck that, fck this kind of blatant spin bullshit and fck whoever is pathetic enough to do it.
We've seen this stuff before and it's not on. |  |
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| Season perspectives on 11:42 - May 4 with 2452 views | charlieB |
Oh give it a break. I was a boy when we played oxford and we were favourites and the form team were we not? I was a unable to go to Sheff myself so went to beam back instead. But that was obviusly something I picked up on AI as its all over it I am sure!! i was at Cardiff. High up in the gods. Fire alarms and fireworks still haunt me. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 11:45 - May 4 with 2429 views | Big_Mac |
| Season perspectives on 11:27 - May 4 by GaryBannister86 |
Sorry but this post has just done more to convince me you aren't what you say you are. Who the hell would write "Oxford (as favourites)". Or talk about the beamback rather than actually being at Hillsborough. We had 8,000 tickets there. And the "square it" stuff and Vauxhall Motors an AI trawler would find in seconds.
You need more convincing proof than that? |
There’s also “Bobby Zs winner in ‘89”. Reads like a chatGPT prompt mistaking 89th minute for 1989. I’m sure it was a 90th minute winner anyway. |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 11:45 - May 4 with 2422 views | johncharles |
| Season perspectives on 10:05 - May 4 by BrianMcCarthy |
It could, agreed. Or it could be part of the ongoing PR war.
I think we have to give individual posters the benefit of the doubt, though. |
It’s all about the PR war. Marti is so far ahead in the popularity stakes that he just has to go. He’s hugely popular with the fans, hugely popular with the players and seems to be a genuinely nice guy. All too much for Noury’s 28 year old ego. |  |
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| Season perspectives on 11:49 - May 4 with 2395 views | GroveR |
| Season perspectives on 09:46 - May 4 by charlieB |
Fair enough to call out poor performances — no one’s denying Madsen and Dembele have had some bad games. But constant scapegoating doesn’t help either. Confidence matters, even for professionals.
Criticism’s part of the game, but we’ve got a habit of turning frustration into abuse, and that doesn’t get more out of players. We all want better, but support plays a role too — especially in a squad this thin.
Whoever takes over has a big job, no doubt. Let’s not make it harder. |
You're saying "recruitment has clearly improved" while saying the squad is thin - honest question mate, which one is it? |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 11:49 - May 4 with 2389 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Season perspectives on 11:42 - May 4 by charlieB |
Oh give it a break. I was a boy when we played oxford and we were favourites and the form team were we not? I was a unable to go to Sheff myself so went to beam back instead. But that was obviusly something I picked up on AI as its all over it I am sure!! i was at Cardiff. High up in the gods. Fire alarms and fireworks still haunt me. |
Look, if you are a genuine QPR fan then I apologise. Just making the point that your references are all slightly bizarre in that they are pitched in a way I have never heard a QPR fan pitch them, so they are ever so slightly off-kilter. Perhaps just a coincidence. If I was trying to convince someone I was genuine I would talk about Macca ticking off our away end for poor behaviour, or Spencer screaming "I am the f***ing man" when scoring on his debut at Reading. You know, things that you can only know about if you are who you say you are.
And if you are real, then I don't apologise for disagreeing vehemently with your pro-Nourry stance or the bit about Coventry away and people running up to praise him for saving the club. In what way would anyone think he had done that?! | | | |
| Season perspectives on 11:53 - May 4 with 2347 views | GroveR |
| Season perspectives on 10:18 - May 4 by OldPedro |
The away end definitely had an end of season feel to it yesterday with balloons, beach balls, large inflatable penises (if that's the plural of penis) and even an inflatable doll.
No idea how it would have gone if we had lost heavily - I expect the good atmosphere in the away end was helped by the early goal and the players looking committed and up for it. |
The collective noun for a group of (stunted) penises is "Chels** Football Club" | | | |
| Season perspectives on 12:00 - May 4 with 2278 views | 100percent |
The OP would actually be hilarious if it wasn't for the fact that it's so poorly executed and delivered.
No one in their right mind is going to believe the authenticity of this nonsense.
What is really disrespectful is the contempt that you have shown for Marti.
Look, we get it - Nourry has manipulated his position and managed to push Marti out at our expense - very few people of this board are in support of the decision, but on the whole we are intelligent enough to understand there is very little we can do about it.
But don't patronise us with your spin and try and disrespect a manager that has shown guile and professionalism beyond the realms of patience to keep us in this division.
None of us are falling for this complete, patronising nonsense.
As one of the longest existing supporters of Clive's excellent board, it's going to be interesting to see where you go from here... |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 12:04 - May 4 with 2234 views | charlieB |
This is laughable. You cant be a fan because you dont cite the small moments. I was referring to the bigger ones as I was there. Precise time of goal was 89.49. Thats what I wrote 89 not 90. It I was also there for many smaller moments. Even this season there were some memorable ones. For the Dunne Goal at Sheff u away, for the fog at Leicester, for the fat bloke on the drum at Derby, for the squeeze one toilet at Pompey this season! | | | |
| Season perspectives on 12:07 - May 4 with 2184 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Crap season, only brightened by schadenfreude at Luton and Cardiff.
Yes, it could have been worse but we've finished just above the three promoted clubs, so zero progress. We end the season once again without a manager and with William Pitt the Younger in charge of literally everything.
On the positive side, some decent signings like Varane and Nardi but the balance of the squad showed our naivety. Similarly, for a side who has struggled for goals for a decade, pretty batshit crazy to sell two strikers and replace them with one, particularly with the likes of Frey unable to play more than a half at a time.
Not overly fussed by Marti leaving though. Loved him in his first season but the way he touted himself around last summer leaves a sour taste. Clearly thinks he is something special but maybe he should prove that before he looks to climb the ladder again. If I were a Championship club looking for a new manager, he looks like an inferior Rohl, who genuinely has had the most insane chairman to work with. We'll always have Leeds at home. [Post edited 4 May 12:08]
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| Season perspectives on 12:07 - May 4 with 2197 views | charlieB |
This is exactly why I am posting. This feels a bit like a democrat posting on a republican forum. Can only see one side of the story. Wont have anything bad said against Marti. I have tried to offer a different view point of view. Dont say I am right but you need to see both sides. | | | |
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