| Season perspectives 08:07 - May 4 with 51399 views | charlieB |
Great result yesterday against Sunderland. Credit to the players, the staff, and especially the 1000 or so amazing fans who made the trip – that kind of support, in a game with nothing riding on it, speaks volumes.
I’ve been reflecting over my morning coffee and just wanted to share a few thoughts. I know not everyone will agree, but hopefully it comes across in the spirit it’s meant – as a long-time fan trying to see the full picture.
Marti deserves credit for keeping us up last season – he did the job he was brought in to do. But this season, we saw many of the same problems. We started with tactics that didn’t suit the squad – too passive, too deep, no real cutting edge. The players looked unsure of their roles and lacking confidence. When we eventually changed approach, results picked up – but it took too long, and the early damage was done.
From what I’ve heard, he wasn’t well-liked behind the scenes either. Stubborn, slow to adapt, quick to deflect when things went wrong – and very happy to take the praise when they didn’t. He’s clearly a good coach, but I don’t think he was ever truly the right fit for this club. I won’t miss the terrace songs.
On the other hand, I think Christian Nourry deserves more credit than he gets. He’s only 28, but age doesn’t define ability. He inherited a tough job – tight FFP limits, a small budget, and a club that’s been firefighting for years. And yet, recruitment has clearly improved. Not every signing will be an instant success, but all have contributed, and a few could add real long-term value – which is crucial for us as a selling club. They’ll take time to adapt, but there’s a shift in thinking, and that’s progress.
The Ben Williams situation clearly had an impact – he was offered a big opportunity abroad and took it, which is understandable. But the void it left in the football department was felt. That said, I’ve heard that’s now been addressed for next season, which is good news.
Of course, there’s a lot to do this summer. We need a head coach who suits the group, a more consistent playing style, and a couple of clever additions. But I genuinely feel more hopeful than I have in a while. There’s a bit of stability creeping in, and for once, it feels like we’re not just lurching from one short-term fix to the next.
One thing we do need to change though – the way we treat some of our players. Madsen’s taken stick all season, often when he’s done little wrong. Now it’s Dembele. It’s like we always need someone to have a go at. These lads are human. They need support, not abuse. Confidence matters.
Anyway, that’s just my view – take it or leave it. I’m not pretending everything’s perfect, but I do think there are a few more reasons for quiet optimism than people give credit for.
Thanks again to Clive – this board remains a brilliant space, even when we don’t all agree. Have a great summer everyone – and here’s to next season, hopefully with a new head coach who can take us forward on this mad old rollercoaster we all insist on riding.
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| Season perspectives on 12:10 - May 4 with 2751 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Season perspectives on 12:07 - May 4 by charlieB |
This is exactly why I am posting. This feels a bit like a democrat posting on a republican forum. Can only see one side of the story. Wont have anything bad said against Marti. I have tried to offer a different view point of view. Dont say I am right but you need to see both sides. |
Don't think anyone has got a problem with you arguing against a Marti love-in. Or even defending Nourry, but to do so spouting rubbish like people think he saved the club - come on. That's the strangest take I've ever heard. Why do you say that? |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 12:10 - May 4 with 2726 views | numptydumpty |
I have a feeling these few new random, previously unknown posters that have an ability to be randomly dismissive of all and sundry in quite an aggressive manner.
I believe all these new posters, their style of writing, message etc can all be attributed to an already long standing existing poster.
Am aware over the years there have been a couple on here that have had multiple accounts and you can see by the way words are written.
No chance this is a Nourry insider etc. Suggests that's quite a paranoid belief.
Its just an existing forum member that enjoys their own notoriety. That's very obvious to myself anyhow.... |  |
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| Season perspectives on 12:12 - May 4 with 2722 views | charlieB |
Mate. I was there. Even have a photo of people coming up to him and shaking his hand. I could not believe it myself. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 12:14 - May 4 with 2695 views | Paddyhoops |
Some good points in there. As for the Marti song . It’s a good tune , a bit different. No idea if he eats paella or drinks estrella or if he hates Chelsea . It’s banter . Although I hope the Chelsea bit is true.
As for the criticism of Madsen . He hasn’t been very good and we spent money on him so he’s going to get hopefully balanced criticism.
I spend the guts of 1500 quid following QPR every year so if somebody’s not performing I’m going to be pissed off with them but without getting abusive or personal. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 12:16 - May 4 with 2663 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Season perspectives on 12:12 - May 4 by charlieB |
Mate. I was there. Even have a photo of people coming up to him and shaking his hand. I could not believe it myself. |
I've seen people shaking his hand too. They were actually people I know, who were also Old Paulines like me and your man Nourry. Unlike me, they come from the archaic view that because he went to their school he must be a decent fella - and obviously far better suited to the role than Les Ferdinand. What a load of pompous old tripe.
Why were you surprised by seeing it, you seem very impressed with the job Nourry has done? Surely you were keen to do it yourself? | | | |
| Season perspectives on 12:16 - May 4 with 2656 views | mart_Goblin |
This nonsense makes us so tin pot in my opinion.
This isn’t addressed to the OP.
It’s so insecure to worry about what the fans are saying this much . Of course you should listen to the fans but being that paranoid of fan sites and social media just shows a lack of belief in the clubs own standings and decision making in my opinion .
If you think getting rid of Marti was the right call then back it …have the courage of your convictions, put your money where your mouth is…and back it ! Explain to fans the REAL reasons and prove it.
Don’t have people p*ssing around trying to pour out ridiculous ‘propaganda’.
It’s disrespectful and shows utter contempt for the fans exactly as Clive described in his match preview.
The arrogance to think we would just all fall for it .
As with the oneupmanship press releases from last week, we have descended into playground tittle tattle.
It’s embarrassing and damaging .
Bloody stop it |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 12:23 - May 4 with 2597 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Season perspectives on 12:16 - May 4 by mart_Goblin |
This nonsense makes us so tin pot in my opinion.
This isn’t addressed to the OP.
It’s so insecure to worry about what the fans are saying this much . Of course you should listen to the fans but being that paranoid of fan sites and social media just shows a lack of belief in the clubs own standings and decision making in my opinion .
If you think getting rid of Marti was the right call then back it …have the courage of your convictions, put your money where your mouth is…and back it ! Explain to fans the REAL reasons and prove it.
Don’t have people p*ssing around trying to pour out ridiculous ‘propaganda’.
It’s disrespectful and shows utter contempt for the fans exactly as Clive described in his match preview.
The arrogance to think we would just all fall for it .
As with the oneupmanship press releases from last week, we have descended into playground tittle tattle.
It’s embarrassing and damaging .
Bloody stop it |
All very true, Mart.
Just off the phone with another poster and we were saying the same thing about the overall PR war.
It takes a certain kind of arrogance to think that football fans can be fooled with such amateurish and childish nonsense and spin.
The worst thing is that it once again calls into question the poor judgement and inexperience of the CEO. |  |
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| Season perspectives on 12:23 - May 4 with 2587 views | charlieB |
The ussumptions on here are hilarious. Never had an account here before but this feels like I am being hounded out because I offer a different opinion. I am sure many people also agree with me, but are probably weiry of being shot down too.
As I said, what inspired me to sign up and get involved was after Oxford away when after enjoying a few pints in the arcade, I was pissed off to see 'fans' slagging off Madsen whenever he touched the ball. He was playing well. I also feel that many on this board have a one sided anti CN agenda. Never met the bloke in my life but its on the verge of bullying and I feel strongly, rightly or wrongly, to defend them, like I would in any walks of life. | | | |
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| Season perspectives on 12:26 - May 4 with 2563 views | charlieB |
Nope. No interest at all my friend. But many think they can do better. It seems easy from the outside! | | | |
| Season perspectives on 12:27 - May 4 with 2526 views | numptydumpty |
| Season perspectives on 12:14 - May 4 by Paddyhoops |
Some good points in there. As for the Marti song . It’s a good tune , a bit different. No idea if he eats paella or drinks estrella or if he hates Chelsea . It’s banter . Although I hope the Chelsea bit is true.
As for the criticism of Madsen . He hasn’t been very good and we spent money on him so he’s going to get hopefully balanced criticism.
I spend the guts of 1500 quid following QPR every year so if somebody’s not performing I’m going to be pissed off with them but without getting abusive or personal. |
Yes and tbh the longer I have been on here, the more.obvious it is that very few of us have any constructive ideas.about how to run a football team and.players.
Also if players ever read.stuff on here., it's all incredibly reactionary and generally uneducated as to what we are guessing at. Etc so irrelevant for them also
I include myself in that also. I have no connections with high level professional sport.
It's a forum where fans can have their say. But wondering whether our words could affect players. Absolutely would say that if we were saying our opinions directly at some whom criticisms.are aimed at or we worked with them directly but we don't and also massive majority on here, have not played or managed in a high level professional sporting capacity
The difference in tone.on.here changes drastically from.result.to result
Goals completely change opinions.also
If the game yesterday ended goaless,. the overall tone on here would also have been dramatically different also
Keeps us out of mischief, as my old mum would have said in days gone by..... | |
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| Season perspectives on 12:33 - May 4 with 2498 views | aston_hoop |
I just feel a bit embarrassed for Nourry at this point. He really has picked the wrong fan base to try this on. |  |
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| Season perspectives on 12:34 - May 4 with 2475 views | simmo |
| Season perspectives on 12:07 - May 4 by charlieB |
This is exactly why I am posting. This feels a bit like a democrat posting on a republican forum. Can only see one side of the story. Wont have anything bad said against Marti. I have tried to offer a different view point of view. Dont say I am right but you need to see both sides. |
The irony of coming on here being one eyed and then accusing anyone that recognises you as a weird stooge as being partisan... |  |
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| Season perspectives on 12:35 - May 4 with 2469 views | flynnbo |
| Season perspectives on 12:33 - May 4 by aston_hoop |
I just feel a bit embarrassed for Nourry at this point. He really has picked the wrong fan base to try this on. |
Yes, you thought he would have known better having attended one of the top universities such as Oxford, Cambridge or Hull. |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 12:38 - May 4 with 2435 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Season perspectives on 12:35 - May 4 by flynnbo |
Yes, you thought he would have known better having attended one of the top universities such as Oxford, Cambridge or Hull. |
Ah - one of the greatest few lines in one of the greatest comedy series ever.
"That's right, Oxford's a complete dump!" | | | |
| Season perspectives on 12:40 - May 4 with 2405 views | simmo |
| Season perspectives on 12:16 - May 4 by mart_Goblin |
This nonsense makes us so tin pot in my opinion.
This isn’t addressed to the OP.
It’s so insecure to worry about what the fans are saying this much . Of course you should listen to the fans but being that paranoid of fan sites and social media just shows a lack of belief in the clubs own standings and decision making in my opinion .
If you think getting rid of Marti was the right call then back it …have the courage of your convictions, put your money where your mouth is…and back it ! Explain to fans the REAL reasons and prove it.
Don’t have people p*ssing around trying to pour out ridiculous ‘propaganda’.
It’s disrespectful and shows utter contempt for the fans exactly as Clive described in his match preview.
The arrogance to think we would just all fall for it .
As with the oneupmanship press releases from last week, we have descended into playground tittle tattle.
It’s embarrassing and damaging .
Bloody stop it |
Great post and exactly how I feel. | |
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| Season perspectives on 12:42 - May 4 with 2395 views | ozexile |
What a bizarre thread. Feel like I'm living in the multiverse | | | |
| Season perspectives on 12:57 - May 4 with 2304 views | Gus_iom |
It's ridiculous.
If I was Nourry, I'd be paying long standing, totally amoral members of this site good money to get my message across.
Don't know how many times we've been through this in my years and years on this board. And, incidently, I find Donald Trump quite amusing. | |
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| Season perspectives on 12:57 - May 4 with 2298 views | TK1 |
| Season perspectives on 12:07 - May 4 by charlieB |
This is exactly why I am posting. This feels a bit like a democrat posting on a republican forum. Can only see one side of the story. Wont have anything bad said against Marti. I have tried to offer a different view point of view. Dont say I am right but you need to see both sides. |
Diversity of opinion and debate is great, to be encouraged. It's why we're here.
This is not a different opinion, though. This is a revolting character assassination masquerading as fact:
"From what I’ve heard, he wasn’t well-liked behind the scenes either. Stubborn, slow to adapt, quick to deflect when things went wrong – and very happy to take the praise when they didn’t. He’s clearly a good coach, but I don’t think he was ever truly the right fit for this club."
This directly contradicts testimonies from those not employed by the club who have dealings with Cifuentes, ie journalists and fans. Who is telling you, the regular season ticket holder, that Cifuentes "wasn't well-liked behind the scenes"? | | | |
| Season perspectives on 13:01 - May 4 with 2261 views | 1JD |
This degenerate PR campaign is the absolute pits.
Nourry out. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 13:08 - May 4 with 2215 views | charlieB |
Ha ha. The only answer you have is to say Im a PR as I am not anti CN or Pro Marti. That I am against players being villafied. That I am standing up against those who have different opinions. That I am not up Martis arse.
If you really think the club would really bother to hire someone to write on this board you are kidding yourself but its the only retalation many of you have. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 13:09 - May 4 with 2207 views | TK1 |
| Season perspectives on 13:01 - May 4 by 1JD |
This degenerate PR campaign is the absolute pits.
Nourry out. |
The thing is, I have been open-minded about Nourry. I want QPR to do well, so I hope for the best. I actually want to trust the process. If they need to get rid of the coach because there's been a difference of opinion and they have an idea for a different coach, well, OK, on your head be it but go for it. Fire him, pay him off, explain your position, introduce the new coaching team asap and let's go from there.
But this, this is revolting behaviour. Just childish nonsense. Telling us he wasn't well-liked by staff and that the song (that they must really fear being sung next season if it goes tits up) wasn't actually that good... Grow up. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 13:18 - May 4 with 2121 views | TK1 |
| Season perspectives on 13:08 - May 4 by charlieB |
Ha ha. The only answer you have is to say Im a PR as I am not anti CN or Pro Marti. That I am against players being villafied. That I am standing up against those who have different opinions. That I am not up Martis arse.
If you really think the club would really bother to hire someone to write on this board you are kidding yourself but its the only retalation many of you have. |
What's your source for this character drive-by? You present this as fact, while pleading just "a different opinion". Tell us about this:
"From what I’ve heard, he wasn’t well-liked behind the scenes either. Stubborn, slow to adapt, quick to deflect when things went wrong – and very happy to take the praise when they didn’t. "
Nobody has said this before on here or social media. Marti never deflected nor boasted in pressers. You say you "heard it". So...where's it from? | | | |
| Season perspectives on 13:32 - May 4 with 2045 views | charlieB |
Big thumbs and Dyslexia catching up on me! | | | |
| Season perspectives on 13:41 - May 4 with 1974 views | mart_Goblin |
Another reason why this nonsense is completely unnecessary and there are many , is that the initial outward and open anger of how MC was treated ( whether he should have been sacked/removed/replaced is another debate , it’s the way it’s been done which I think has upset many ) has died down a little!
Plenty, if not most are still upset and angry but the Earth keeps turning , we won yesterday which is a positive and maybe yesterday gave us time to take deep breathe as a fan base ?
We all need a break from the drama of these clowns so it felt like a period of relative calm had maybe descended finally .
So why come on here starting this bilge on yet another thread about the same old guff?
Of course everybody is entitled to their opinion and if by some miracle the OP is genuine …then maybe read the room mate . At least post on one of the many existing threads .
I guess you want max exposure?
If it’s not genuine then grow up for god sake . | | | |
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