| Season perspectives 08:07 - May 4 with 46362 views | charlieB |
Great result yesterday against Sunderland. Credit to the players, the staff, and especially the 1000 or so amazing fans who made the trip – that kind of support, in a game with nothing riding on it, speaks volumes.
I’ve been reflecting over my morning coffee and just wanted to share a few thoughts. I know not everyone will agree, but hopefully it comes across in the spirit it’s meant – as a long-time fan trying to see the full picture.
Marti deserves credit for keeping us up last season – he did the job he was brought in to do. But this season, we saw many of the same problems. We started with tactics that didn’t suit the squad – too passive, too deep, no real cutting edge. The players looked unsure of their roles and lacking confidence. When we eventually changed approach, results picked up – but it took too long, and the early damage was done.
From what I’ve heard, he wasn’t well-liked behind the scenes either. Stubborn, slow to adapt, quick to deflect when things went wrong – and very happy to take the praise when they didn’t. He’s clearly a good coach, but I don’t think he was ever truly the right fit for this club. I won’t miss the terrace songs.
On the other hand, I think Christian Nourry deserves more credit than he gets. He’s only 28, but age doesn’t define ability. He inherited a tough job – tight FFP limits, a small budget, and a club that’s been firefighting for years. And yet, recruitment has clearly improved. Not every signing will be an instant success, but all have contributed, and a few could add real long-term value – which is crucial for us as a selling club. They’ll take time to adapt, but there’s a shift in thinking, and that’s progress.
The Ben Williams situation clearly had an impact – he was offered a big opportunity abroad and took it, which is understandable. But the void it left in the football department was felt. That said, I’ve heard that’s now been addressed for next season, which is good news.
Of course, there’s a lot to do this summer. We need a head coach who suits the group, a more consistent playing style, and a couple of clever additions. But I genuinely feel more hopeful than I have in a while. There’s a bit of stability creeping in, and for once, it feels like we’re not just lurching from one short-term fix to the next.
One thing we do need to change though – the way we treat some of our players. Madsen’s taken stick all season, often when he’s done little wrong. Now it’s Dembele. It’s like we always need someone to have a go at. These lads are human. They need support, not abuse. Confidence matters.
Anyway, that’s just my view – take it or leave it. I’m not pretending everything’s perfect, but I do think there are a few more reasons for quiet optimism than people give credit for.
Thanks again to Clive – this board remains a brilliant space, even when we don’t all agree. Have a great summer everyone – and here’s to next season, hopefully with a new head coach who can take us forward on this mad old rollercoaster we all insist on riding.
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| Season perspectives on 22:04 - May 4 with 2965 views | 1JD |
| Season perspectives on 19:05 - May 4 by Northernr |
What name do you think they'll go with next week? |
How about… Christian?
Might tell the truth for once. Second thoughts, nah. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 22:07 - May 4 with 2950 views | Quite_Possibly_Ropey |
Seeing as this is a thread for 'alternative' perspectives, I thought I would share my two cents, which I have been cooking since the surprisingly good performance and result yesterday.
If Nourry is as ego-maniacal and fell out with Marti as much as we all believe, maybe there is the opportunity that he may want to stick it to all of us next year and prove us all wrong. All it will take is to somehow find a new coach who will change some of our draws into another 5/6 wins and we will be up there with a shout for the playoffs. What better way for Nourry to show that his iron fist way of ruling was 'right' all along. Even just getting better availability in the squad in terms of injuries would improve our chances on that front. I think our chances would have been stronger with Marti in place, but it seems like we won't be seeing him back at HQ (not embarrassed to say I love Marti). But I get the sense that Nourry will be extra-motivated to demonstrate this fabled club model will work and that our love for Marti was misplaced. The best way to do that is for us to truly progress under a new head coach next year.
Then again, I could just be clutching, grasping, wishing for a positive spin on what has again been a tough week to be a ranger in. All I want is for our club to be one that we can all be proud of, for my 6 year old to be proud of, given that he had to wait 14 matches to see his first win (first year as an ST holder in upper loft with me), still yet to see an away win. It's especially hard to be proud of our club when there are seemingly nefarious goings on taking place (I really hope this thread isn't an example of that) but we can but hope.
However, it is easy to be proud of a club that produces supporters who are able to articulate their arguments and share their thoughts better than I could hope to. And to that end I thank the likes of PadulasShampoo, MartGoblin, Brian, Hunterhoop and so many more for their superb input and insightful comment this week. Thanks also to Lassel and Clive for sharing information where they can, the silence from the club is deafening, so any details to fill the void is appreciated.
We are all stronger when we stick together. We all remember the collection buckets in 2003, the Faurlin points deduction in 2011 and we got through those times. But times like Bobby Z in 89 make it all worth it...
Thanks all, see you back in the upper loft in August. [Post edited 4 May 22:13]
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| Season perspectives on 22:08 - May 4 with 2923 views | ngbqpr |
| Season perspectives on 21:36 - May 4 by Ned_Kennedys |
Give it a rest. |
Thing is Ned, you said we shouldn't all pile on asking Chazza the same questions re where he got his (ahem) intel from - but after several pages,for all his many ongoing thread contributions which go from sarky to hurt to 'bantz' and back again...he stii hasn't told us how he "heard" that Marti "wasn’t well-liked behind the scenes either. Stubborn, slow to adapt, quick to deflect when things went wrong – and very happy to take the praise when they didn’t"; and where / how he "heard that’s now been addressed for next season, which is good news" ref the Ben Williams farce.
So people don't feel inclined to give it a rest until he does so. At least the likes of lassel give some idea as to where they've got their info from.
So whether he's a genuine fan, a QBlockPete style stooge or someone who just fancied spending his Sunday doing a massive wind up - he's asking for grief. |  |
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| Season perspectives on 22:12 - May 4 with 2866 views | Big_Mac |
| Season perspectives on 21:13 - May 4 by hantssi |
But he didn’t score in the 89th minute did he?
He scored in the 90th, in fact just 10 seconds before the end of the 90th minute!
Perhaps your AI only picked up the 89?! |
I thought it was the 90th and all the match reports I’ve seen say it was the 90th but CharlieB pointed out earlier that the exact timestamp is 89:49.
QPR posted the full 90 on their YouTube and the timestamp for the goal is 89:49/:89:50 so to be fair to Charlie, they’re right about it being in the 89th minute. |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 22:21 - May 4 with 2774 views | QPRKirty |
| Season perspectives on 22:12 - May 4 by Big_Mac |
I thought it was the 90th and all the match reports I’ve seen say it was the 90th but CharlieB pointed out earlier that the exact timestamp is 89:49.
QPR posted the full 90 on their YouTube and the timestamp for the goal is 89:49/:89:50 so to be fair to Charlie, they’re right about it being in the 89th minute. |
That is the 90th minute. |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 22:38 - May 4 with 2636 views | NewYorkRanger |
| Season perspectives on 22:12 - May 4 by Big_Mac |
I thought it was the 90th and all the match reports I’ve seen say it was the 90th but CharlieB pointed out earlier that the exact timestamp is 89:49.
QPR posted the full 90 on their YouTube and the timestamp for the goal is 89:49/:89:50 so to be fair to Charlie, they’re right about it being in the 89th minute. |
Dunno if this is pedantic but it’s factually correct to call out that 89:49 is the 90th minute. It’s in the same was as 90:01 would be the 91st minute. By virtue of the fact that 90 minutes have already passed in that scenario.
But that’s not the point is it? The point is that no QPR fan has ever referred to Bobby
Z in 89. I have never once heard that before this loyal fan CharlieB posted it tonight |  |
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| Season perspectives on 22:42 - May 4 with 2593 views | NewYorkRanger |
| Season perspectives on 20:21 - May 4 by charlieB |
Wait, this is so much fun. Being ridiculed for writing shorthand for Zamora and saying he scored in the 89 minute but you think I meant 1989. you just cant make this up. Well done. |
keep digging mate. I mean it's entertaining but actually pathetic | |
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| Season perspectives on 22:50 - May 4 with 2507 views | QPRKirty |
| Season perspectives on 22:42 - May 4 by NewYorkRanger |
keep digging mate. I mean it's entertaining but actually pathetic |
I'm surprised he said 'Orwellian' and not Georgie O in 84. | | | |
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| Season perspectives on 22:52 - May 4 with 2487 views | ed_83 |
| Season perspectives on 22:12 - May 4 by Big_Mac |
I thought it was the 90th and all the match reports I’ve seen say it was the 90th but CharlieB pointed out earlier that the exact timestamp is 89:49.
QPR posted the full 90 on their YouTube and the timestamp for the goal is 89:49/:89:50 so to be fair to Charlie, they’re right about it being in the 89th minute. |
Think you and charlieb have got your maths wrong. A goal scored at 00:49 is scored in the first minute, a goal at 01:49 in the second minute, and one scored at 89:49 in the 90th minute.
I realise this is nitpicking in and of itself, but it’s also one of several things he’s said that don’t quite add up, and which he keeps dancing around when people ask him about it.
Maybe charlie really is a genuine fan, but if so then he’s also wildly unlucky, in that he keeps accidentally doing the exact things you’d expect from a ringer. I guess we’ll never know! | | | |
| Season perspectives on 22:59 - May 4 with 2417 views | kensalriser |
It's possible Charlie is both a genuine fan and a PR conduit. It wouldn't be novel at QPR. |  |
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| Season perspectives on 22:59 - May 4 with 2424 views | Big_Mac |
| Season perspectives on 22:38 - May 4 by NewYorkRanger |
Dunno if this is pedantic but it’s factually correct to call out that 89:49 is the 90th minute. It’s in the same was as 90:01 would be the 91st minute. By virtue of the fact that 90 minutes have already passed in that scenario.
But that’s not the point is it? The point is that no QPR fan has ever referred to Bobby
Z in 89. I have never once heard that before this loyal fan CharlieB posted it tonight |
You’ll get no arguments from me. I said earlier the phrasing of that was weird. Like a chatGPT prompt gone wrong. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 23:04 - May 4 with 2370 views | Hayesender |
Has anyone bothered to find out Charlie's favourite cheese yet?
If not, I refuse to add anything more until we find out |  |
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| Season perspectives on 23:05 - May 4 with 2303 views | stainrods_elbow |
I've no idea who the OP is either, but his post, however 'off-message', strikes me as decently balanced, sensible, not actually very controversial, and well intentioned - though of course the road to hell is paved with them, as I have found it more than once in my life, both on and off this board. Some of the multiple responses say far about the respondents than anyone else, but the fact that this thread has already run for several pages shows he is great grist to the mill of a place like LfW, which would be one QPR fan/journalist writing reports and interviews etc. without its provocateurs and discussants.
As for his not elaborating on the source of his club information, I find the knowing/hostile retorts pretty unfathomable, as it's common knowledge on here that those close to the club don't disclose them, so this looks like a case of bullying (and tiresome pedantry) to me.
I have no strong opinion, and no particular axe to grind, re CN, as, like most if not all on this board, I don't know him nor have a clear picture of his demenours and misdemeanours at QPR. I do tend to agree that MC was never a good, long-term fit for QPR, and I would rate his performance as decidedly patchy - some good stuff, but some awful troughs too. I got quite weary of him digging us in and out of holes repeatedly - good managers achieve consistency, help the club to recruit well, and don't go all mysterious about keeping things 'internal' when the performances go, sometimes diabolically, tits-up. I also found Dave Mc's sniffy attitude to that last interview telling.
It'll be interesting to see where he (MC not DMc) rocks up next, and what he says about the club he professes to love so much, after his spot of gardening. I suspect it may not be in the Championship, as I don't think his stock will have risen enough. Unless he's guilty of gross misconduct, I'm sure he'll be very well paid regardless, given his contract renewal.
We move on! [Post edited 4 May 23:07]
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| Season perspectives on 23:06 - May 4 with 2367 views | Hunterhoop |
| Season perspectives on 21:17 - May 4 by HammersmithR |
We met Richard Riley on the train coming back to London yesterday. He had been at Sunderland with his wife. He was very happy meeting fans. Didn’t even know what he looked like until yesterday! Definitely took from it he wants the best for QPR. Let’s see! |
Well, given he might be our main shareholder at some point, representing a load of American money, I’ve no doubt he wants QPR to do well. What is “the best for QPR” is up for debate, mind.
Oh, and CharlieB, what’s your view on Americans? Preferable to Malaysians? |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 23:06 - May 4 with 2360 views | Esox_Lucius |
Is Charlie the son of Tommy? [Post edited 4 May 23:09]
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| Season perspectives on 23:06 - May 4 with 2366 views | Big_Mac |
| Season perspectives on 22:52 - May 4 by ed_83 |
Think you and charlieb have got your maths wrong. A goal scored at 00:49 is scored in the first minute, a goal at 01:49 in the second minute, and one scored at 89:49 in the 90th minute.
I realise this is nitpicking in and of itself, but it’s also one of several things he’s said that don’t quite add up, and which he keeps dancing around when people ask him about it.
Maybe charlie really is a genuine fan, but if so then he’s also wildly unlucky, in that he keeps accidentally doing the exact things you’d expect from a ringer. I guess we’ll never know! |
I’ve always thought of it as if it begins with the number, that’s the minute it’s in. Happy to learn something new. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 23:10 - May 4 with 2330 views | PunteR |
| Season perspectives on 22:59 - May 4 by kensalriser |
It's possible Charlie is both a genuine fan and a PR conduit. It wouldn't be novel at QPR. |
Mate, read his replies.
QPR fan or not he's trolling.
I was gonna give him the benefit of the doubt , but its how he's responded that gives the game away. He's a wrongun. |  |
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| Season perspectives on 23:13 - May 4 with 2309 views | NW5Hoop |
First time poster, but longtime fan! I remember the great team with the four sets of twins – the Morgans, the Ferdinands, the Allens and who can forget Gerry and Trevor Francis! I can even remember when Matrade Loftus Road was called the Kiyan Prince Foundation Stadium!
Anyway, some fans complain that the ground isn't all it could be, but my info is that the club are right on top of it. Some people might think it's controversial, but I think their plan – it's only a plan! Don't get your knickers in a twist! – to move the ground to Guildford is inspired. Great transport links, and a real football town with close links to London W12!
What's really exciting, though, is the youth programme. The info I'm getting is that Nourry, love him or hate him, has really worked on getting that up and running, and we're really seeing the results now. There are four management consultants doing internships right now, and the talk is three of them could turn pro in the CEO's office. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 07:02 - May 5 with 1762 views | charlieB |
| Season perspectives on 23:10 - May 4 by PunteR |
Mate, read his replies.
QPR fan or not he's trolling.
I was gonna give him the benefit of the doubt , but its how he's responded that gives the game away. He's a wrongun. |
You guys are unreal. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 07:05 - May 5 with 1746 views | charlieB |
I’m glad to be a first. You’re clutching at straws though. I was just using shorthand on my phone. Nothing to read into here. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 07:07 - May 5 with 1721 views | gigiisourgod |
| Season perspectives on 07:05 - May 5 by charlieB |
I’m glad to be a first. You’re clutching at straws though. I was just using shorthand on my phone. Nothing to read into here. |
Double time and day in lieu for a BH? | | | |
| Season perspectives on 07:08 - May 5 with 1701 views | charlieB |
Hilarious. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 07:25 - May 5 with 1608 views | Phildo |
| Season perspectives on 07:08 - May 5 by charlieB |
Hilarious. |
Charlie
Can you clear up a few questions with the ITK
1 does Christians mum still make his packed lunch?
2 Is he allowed his phone after 9 30 hours on a school night |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 07:40 - May 5 with 1538 views | QPR_Jim |
"When we eventually changed approach, results picked up – but it took too long, and the early damage was done."
Aren't we supposed to be playing to a game model that is replicated at every level so that we are producing players suitable to our system. Sounds like a good idea and something CN was keen to get across as part of his changes at the club. So it's a massive failure on his part that MC had to change how we play to get enough results to keep us up? How do we know that it wasn't a joint decision to keep the tactics the same up until the point we changed them.
If anything your point highlights how poor the recruitment was. Short in some areas and incapable of playing the system we're trying to use throughout the club. You could say that CN can't turn it around that quickly and he needs more windows, which would be fair but if he'd have said that maybe we'd cut him some slack. But he's too busy talking about game models and trying to pretend everything is fine. He could have taken the pressure off Marti and made it clear that we're at the early stage of a rebuild and tried to work with the manager rather than against him. |  | | |
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