| Season perspectives 08:07 - May 4 with 46363 views | charlieB |
Great result yesterday against Sunderland. Credit to the players, the staff, and especially the 1000 or so amazing fans who made the trip – that kind of support, in a game with nothing riding on it, speaks volumes.
I’ve been reflecting over my morning coffee and just wanted to share a few thoughts. I know not everyone will agree, but hopefully it comes across in the spirit it’s meant – as a long-time fan trying to see the full picture.
Marti deserves credit for keeping us up last season – he did the job he was brought in to do. But this season, we saw many of the same problems. We started with tactics that didn’t suit the squad – too passive, too deep, no real cutting edge. The players looked unsure of their roles and lacking confidence. When we eventually changed approach, results picked up – but it took too long, and the early damage was done.
From what I’ve heard, he wasn’t well-liked behind the scenes either. Stubborn, slow to adapt, quick to deflect when things went wrong – and very happy to take the praise when they didn’t. He’s clearly a good coach, but I don’t think he was ever truly the right fit for this club. I won’t miss the terrace songs.
On the other hand, I think Christian Nourry deserves more credit than he gets. He’s only 28, but age doesn’t define ability. He inherited a tough job – tight FFP limits, a small budget, and a club that’s been firefighting for years. And yet, recruitment has clearly improved. Not every signing will be an instant success, but all have contributed, and a few could add real long-term value – which is crucial for us as a selling club. They’ll take time to adapt, but there’s a shift in thinking, and that’s progress.
The Ben Williams situation clearly had an impact – he was offered a big opportunity abroad and took it, which is understandable. But the void it left in the football department was felt. That said, I’ve heard that’s now been addressed for next season, which is good news.
Of course, there’s a lot to do this summer. We need a head coach who suits the group, a more consistent playing style, and a couple of clever additions. But I genuinely feel more hopeful than I have in a while. There’s a bit of stability creeping in, and for once, it feels like we’re not just lurching from one short-term fix to the next.
One thing we do need to change though – the way we treat some of our players. Madsen’s taken stick all season, often when he’s done little wrong. Now it’s Dembele. It’s like we always need someone to have a go at. These lads are human. They need support, not abuse. Confidence matters.
Anyway, that’s just my view – take it or leave it. I’m not pretending everything’s perfect, but I do think there are a few more reasons for quiet optimism than people give credit for.
Thanks again to Clive – this board remains a brilliant space, even when we don’t all agree. Have a great summer everyone – and here’s to next season, hopefully with a new head coach who can take us forward on this mad old rollercoaster we all insist on riding.
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| Season perspectives on 12:18 - May 5 with 3308 views | charlieB |
| Season perspectives on 12:08 - May 5 by BostonR |
Are you a journalist/blogger?
Like many on here I generally sit up and take note when Clive gives his opinion and insights on the club and matters behind the scenes.
The reason I say that is he is generally bang-on the money and he is a respected journalist.
So, stop hiding behind your keyboard and share your credentials, so we can judge whether you are a Nourry bot or a genuine fan with some solid insight.
It’s that simple. |
Thats a silly statement. I am not hiding nor should anyone have to reveal his sources if they have any, If I did, you'd just hound them. its seems to be the pact mentality. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 12:22 - May 5 with 3271 views | willo |
| Season perspectives on 12:08 - May 5 by charlieB |
Wrong but if you throw a punch don’t expect me not to return one. |
You threw a punch in the first post on this thread but you couldn't back it up with anything. Now you are clinging to your opponent, looking very leggy and surely waiting for the bell to save you. |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 12:29 - May 5 with 3213 views | PeterHucker |
| Season perspectives on 08:52 - May 5 by Blue_Castello |
Exactly you posed the question on page 8 and it was conveniently avoided, the OP has stated he has nothing to do with the club on page 1 , so bearing in mind the total blackout of news coming from the club obviously at CNs directive how can he know this information.
We all have to make guesses about what's going on all the time but my guess is Nourry does read this site, is perturbed by the overwhelming negativity towards him and obviously wants to change that perception. He was too frightened to let Clive have his regular interview with Marti, he knows the sort of questions that would have been posed and was afraid of the potential answers.
So now we have a campaign to try and change the views of the regular contributors to LFW, not sure why but probably the insecurity that comes with being such an inexperienced CEO, therein lies most of the problem.
This screams of the Paladini years which were horrendous for his total mismanagement, getting stooges like Qblockpete and Scott Jones to continually post contrary views to try and generate some positivity.
I am genuinely wishing for the day that Marti gets another job and can then do an interview giving his side of the story, I'm sure he can't say a word if he still wants to get paid, bit like a gagging order.
As for the OP saying he has Dyslexia how the hell did he manage to post such a precise post in the first place, we've seen before genuine people with dyslexia on this board..... [Post edited 5 May 9:00]
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The original post by Charlie was written in a very different style to all his subsequent posts.
That's because the original post was generated by AI.
The giveaways are that it is flawlessly punctuated and the frequent use of the "m dash" symbol —
Charlie's subsequent posts have definite signs of being written by a real person. There is the occasional missing capital letter, an occasional space before an exclamation mark, that kind of thing.
I'm not saying that makes the original post untrue or anything like that. I'm just commenting on the very different writing style between that and all the other posts by this user.
Which makes me wonder why the thread was started with the AI generated text. Did Charlie generate it himself or did someone else generate it and give it to Charlie to post here?
If Charlie denies that the first post was AI generated then he's definitely full of it because, as I've said, it's a totally different style of writing. [Post edited 5 May 12:29]
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| Season perspectives on 12:35 - May 5 with 3147 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Season perspectives on 12:08 - May 5 by charlieB |
Wrong but if you throw a punch don’t expect me not to return one. |
What about, if asked a question I will answer it? your refusal to elaborate on the Williams situation definitely puts you in the wrong 'un corner. |  |
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| Season perspectives on 12:36 - May 5 with 3156 views | charlieB |
This is true. I did use AI to help me write my piece like I do with a lot of my work and personal stuff. I’m dyslexic and it helps me articulate things better. The sentiment is the same though. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 12:39 - May 5 with 3120 views | charlieB |
Of course they are going to sort out the Ben Williams situation. It’s clear this is an issue. Don’t have to be a rocket scientist to work that out. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 12:40 - May 5 with 3103 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Season perspectives on 12:39 - May 5 by charlieB |
Of course they are going to sort out the Ben Williams situation. It’s clear this is an issue. Don’t have to be a rocket scientist to work that out. |
It was clear it was an issue a year ago and we went with it anyway. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 12:41 - May 5 with 3079 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Season perspectives on 12:39 - May 5 by charlieB |
Of course they are going to sort out the Ben Williams situation. It’s clear this is an issue. Don’t have to be a rocket scientist to work that out. |
"The Ben Williams situation clearly had an impact – he was offered a big opportunity abroad and took it, which is understandable. But the void it left in the football department was felt. That said, I’ve heard that’s now been addressed for next season, which is good news."
So what did you hear? that's a simple enough request surely? | |
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| Season perspectives on 12:42 - May 5 with 3081 views | YokelR |
| Season perspectives on 12:36 - May 5 by charlieB |
This is true. I did use AI to help me write my piece like I do with a lot of my work and personal stuff. I’m dyslexic and it helps me articulate things better. The sentiment is the same though. |
I appreciate people can get heated on here but this can be cleared up quickly. Poster pm Clive - quick back and forth, sorted.
If he's genuine then he's entitled to his opinion and the angry men with pitchforks can stand down? | | | |
| Season perspectives on 12:44 - May 5 with 3056 views | QPRKirty |
| Season perspectives on 12:36 - May 5 by charlieB |
This is true. I did use AI to help me write my piece like I do with a lot of my work and personal stuff. I’m dyslexic and it helps me articulate things better. The sentiment is the same though. |
I'd love to know what you asked it? Here's a guess:
'Write a puff piece on CN that attempts to split the fan base. Make it seem like I'm ITK. Make it seem like I'm a long term supporter and specifically mention Bobby Z 89.' |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 12:52 - May 5 with 2968 views | DeanoMD |
Blimey 11 pages on this.....Jeez Louise..... | | | |
| Season perspectives on 12:56 - May 5 with 2924 views | aston_hoop |
We are not a serious football club, as the kids would say |  |
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| Season perspectives on 12:59 - May 5 with 2887 views | flynnbo |
| Season perspectives on 12:29 - May 5 by PeterHucker |
The original post by Charlie was written in a very different style to all his subsequent posts.
That's because the original post was generated by AI.
The giveaways are that it is flawlessly punctuated and the frequent use of the "m dash" symbol —
Charlie's subsequent posts have definite signs of being written by a real person. There is the occasional missing capital letter, an occasional space before an exclamation mark, that kind of thing.
I'm not saying that makes the original post untrue or anything like that. I'm just commenting on the very different writing style between that and all the other posts by this user.
Which makes me wonder why the thread was started with the AI generated text. Did Charlie generate it himself or did someone else generate it and give it to Charlie to post here?
If Charlie denies that the first post was AI generated then he's definitely full of it because, as I've said, it's a totally different style of writing. [Post edited 5 May 12:29]
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That’s what I was alluding to in an earlier post. |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 13:01 - May 5 with 2869 views | PunteR |
| Season perspectives on 12:18 - May 5 by charlieB |
Thats a silly statement. I am not hiding nor should anyone have to reveal his sources if they have any, If I did, you'd just hound them. its seems to be the pact mentality. |
You're trolling.
I wouldn't even credit you with being on the Nourry payroll.
Just a troll. That fact you're saying stuff like Clive is our "leader" is a clear indication of your vendetta against him.
And I know Clive has had to put up with a lot of abuse online from certain individuals and I'm surprised the police haven't been involved more.
I'm not saying you are directly involved with that, but you have very quickly turned the attention on how this site operates and it's posters, calling it a pack mentality. We've heard that before From Stainrods Elbow, Steve and now you.
You're a troll. |  |
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| Season perspectives on 13:23 - May 5 with 2714 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Season perspectives on 12:18 - May 5 by ngbqpr |
By a similar token...if we ask a question about the (new) claims in your op, can't we expect an answer, instead of deflection?
The likes of Clive, Dave Thomas, the WLS guys etc have got track records, journalistic nous, experience...they've earned trust & respect, they can show their receipts.
Tbh all new posters giving it the ITK schtick get questioned in a pretty full on manner. How they respond quickly determines whether it gets more full on or not- - eg lassel got a fair bit of stick initially, but when, after a while, he did hint at a reliable source, was cut a lot more slack.
You present your op as just some out loud musings, then drop your ITK bombshells, and think you'll just get an, 'ok mate, carry on...' |
Interesting you should mention lassel.
The guy literally appears for the first time on the thread announcing Cifuentes a year and a half ago, claims to be a long standing supporter of QPR living in Sweden whose missus happens to be an executive at Hammarby….. No sign of him on here before then.
Since then he has spent the whole time banging the Marti drum and spouting a tidal wave of QPR in the know information as well, a lot of which should be confidential. He has also been a leading component of pushing an anti Nourry agenda as well.
Now if we take his back story as genuine then how the hell would he know so much about the inner workings of QPR? And even if some of what he posts is true then who is telling him? Based on when he appeared on here and his alleged background it would have to be Cifuentes…..
There are Machiavellian agendas at play and they are sure as hell not just from one side. |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 13:26 - May 5 with 2706 views | charlieB |
Careful. You’re going to upset some people here! | | | |
| Season perspectives on 13:36 - May 5 with 2592 views | gazza1 |
Disappointing season hampered massively by our injuries otherwise we could have made good progress this season and totally ruined by the Nourry/MC clash that I understand has occurred. [Post edited 5 May 13:37]
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| Season perspectives on 14:56 - May 5 with 2290 views | ngbqpr |
| Season perspectives on 13:23 - May 5 by Ned_Kennedys |
Interesting you should mention lassel.
The guy literally appears for the first time on the thread announcing Cifuentes a year and a half ago, claims to be a long standing supporter of QPR living in Sweden whose missus happens to be an executive at Hammarby….. No sign of him on here before then.
Since then he has spent the whole time banging the Marti drum and spouting a tidal wave of QPR in the know information as well, a lot of which should be confidential. He has also been a leading component of pushing an anti Nourry agenda as well.
Now if we take his back story as genuine then how the hell would he know so much about the inner workings of QPR? And even if some of what he posts is true then who is telling him? Based on when he appeared on here and his alleged background it would have to be Cifuentes…..
There are Machiavellian agendas at play and they are sure as hell not just from one side. |
That’s all fine & reasonable Ned, no problems with any of that.
But my point was lassel did give us a back story and an indication where he got his info from. We could then each decide if we thought, plausible or bollox.
This is what Charlie has thus far avoided doing. |  |
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| Season perspectives on 15:02 - May 5 with 2244 views | silverbirch |
| Season perspectives on 11:43 - May 5 by charlieB |
Has your great leader revealed all his sources? Have other posters who talk about shareholders or board members in such certainty revealed theirs? No. I don’t think so. So it’s ok for them to speculate and others not to. Alright for some, but not for others especially if I use short hand, and went to the beam back!
Let’s see how this all pans out. Let’s see if the rumours I heard come true. Time will tell . [Post edited 5 May 11:47]
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So, you were speculating? The OP doesn’t read like that.
If you’d told us earlier it would have saved us all a lot of time. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 15:52 - May 5 with 2043 views | Ghost_on_the_Westway |
| Season perspectives on 12:52 - May 5 by DeanoMD |
Blimey 11 pages on this.....Jeez Louise..... |
Too much. Too much fckin perpective.
Sorry, I had to do it. Been meaning to since Page 4. |  | | |
| Season perspectives on 16:01 - May 5 with 1973 views | kensalriser |
| Season perspectives on 15:52 - May 5 by Ghost_on_the_Westway |
Too much. Too much fckin perpective.
Sorry, I had to do it. Been meaning to since Page 4. |
I'd say a lot of noise and almost no actual perspective. |  |
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| Season perspectives on 17:03 - May 5 with 1693 views | smudgehoop |
| Season perspectives on 12:29 - May 5 by PeterHucker |
The original post by Charlie was written in a very different style to all his subsequent posts.
That's because the original post was generated by AI.
The giveaways are that it is flawlessly punctuated and the frequent use of the "m dash" symbol —
Charlie's subsequent posts have definite signs of being written by a real person. There is the occasional missing capital letter, an occasional space before an exclamation mark, that kind of thing.
I'm not saying that makes the original post untrue or anything like that. I'm just commenting on the very different writing style between that and all the other posts by this user.
Which makes me wonder why the thread was started with the AI generated text. Did Charlie generate it himself or did someone else generate it and give it to Charlie to post here?
If Charlie denies that the first post was AI generated then he's definitely full of it because, as I've said, it's a totally different style of writing. [Post edited 5 May 12:29]
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Absolutely this!
I use Chat GBT and you're right.
The style and flow are very similar, but the dead giveaway is the — symbol. This is something Chat GBT loves to do.
CharlieB's subsequent posts then go downhill in terms of quality with grammar, spelling and balance of argument all suffering.
IMHO that original post was not written in good faith — it was AI assisted.
That's not fact. That's just my informed opinion based upon using Chat GBT and having once been a qualified lecturer in adult literacy. |  |
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| Season perspectives on 17:13 - May 5 with 1628 views | QPRKirty |
| Season perspectives on 17:03 - May 5 by smudgehoop |
Absolutely this!
I use Chat GBT and you're right.
The style and flow are very similar, but the dead giveaway is the — symbol. This is something Chat GBT loves to do.
CharlieB's subsequent posts then go downhill in terms of quality with grammar, spelling and balance of argument all suffering.
IMHO that original post was not written in good faith — it was AI assisted.
That's not fact. That's just my informed opinion based upon using Chat GBT and having once been a qualified lecturer in adult literacy. |
I agree smudge. I'm a teacher and chatgpt is an absolute danger. | | | |
| Season perspectives on 17:28 - May 5 with 1493 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Season perspectives on 13:01 - May 5 by PunteR |
You're trolling.
I wouldn't even credit you with being on the Nourry payroll.
Just a troll. That fact you're saying stuff like Clive is our "leader" is a clear indication of your vendetta against him.
And I know Clive has had to put up with a lot of abuse online from certain individuals and I'm surprised the police haven't been involved more.
I'm not saying you are directly involved with that, but you have very quickly turned the attention on how this site operates and it's posters, calling it a pack mentality. We've heard that before From Stainrods Elbow, Steve and now you.
You're a troll. |
A paranoid post, for my money, as was the one that accused the OP of 'throwing a punch'! He wasn't. He was presenting a view some others obviously feel so threatened by they have to consign it the operation of some nefarious bot and/or make moral distinctions between legitimate posters and so-called trolls.
Perhaps if more than one person is drawing attention to the tendency of message boards toward cultishness/conformity/group thinking/scapegoating/bullying (whatever their merits, and, as I've frequently said, the quality of writing by Clive and a number of others on LfW is frequently outstanding), you might want to consider there's a point to be made? As Jung wisely pointed out, everything and everyone casts a shadow (as soon as you turn a light on there's a shadow), and the bigger the entity, the longer the shadow. The dangerous people are those who are so attached to their image of themselves as nice and sensible and adult etc. etc. (I'll mention no names), they don't realise they have feet of clay too.
Pointing this out should actually help everyone to me more self-aware, myself included, where these dynamics are concerned. It's telling, however, those it only makes angry and defensive. [Post edited 5 May 17:33]
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| Season perspectives on 17:45 - May 5 with 1438 views | colinallcars |
AI is incapable of independent thought.
Last week in the Times they fed AI some phrases and sayings to see what transpired. Some of the sayings were made up like “ never lick a badger twice” The system then went on for multi paragraphs about what it meant whereas even a dullard like me would see through it. |  | | |
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